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Old 21-06-2013, 10:31 AM   #1
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This is extremely difficult for me to discuss in such an open environment, because of this I am asking for support and encouragement.

I had a really bad flu for two weeks after having unprotected sex (I know, stupid but was in a dark place in my life at the time and on self destruct mode) with a bloke who didn't disclose his status, so I decided to go and get tested.

I was "diagnosed" with HIV in October 2007 and for nearly 7 years have been on this mad merry-go-round. I awoke in July last year, which I have to say has been one of the most exhilarating times of my life to date. I have been reading up on this whole HIV conspiracy, whether its real or not and have come to a decision. I'm going to test this theory.

Firstly I want to briefly touch on my personal experience so you guy's get an Idea of what I have been through. On diagnosis obviously I thought my world was going to fall apart. It affects every part of your life living with this condition, mentally, physically, socially. I have always been responsible with potential partners in disclosing my status, after all people have the right to know what they are letting themselves in for and obviously, people react to the condition in different ways. There is still soo much stigma out there, too much for this day and age to be fair.

I have been in a relationship with my partner for the last 3 years (he is negative) He is my rock and my world, I don't know what I would do without him. He supports me in every aspect of my life and I love him unconditionally.

Anyhoo, back on track....

I go for my bloods every 3-6 months to check Viral Load (how much of the virus is in your bloodstream) and CD4 (white blood cell count)

My Viral load has always been very low, in the hundreds in fact, whilst I know other people to be in the thousands and even millions!! I have always been given conflicting information from specialists which one matters the most, a low CD4 or a high viral load????

HIV patients are "recommended" to go onto antiretroviral therapy when CD4 drops to around the 350 margin, although the specialists try to push this from day of diagnosis. I waited 18 months before going onto ARV therapy. I have been taking 1 tablet a day for the last 5 years.

On first starting the medication you do get side effects. I suffered from Insomnia, vivid dreams, diarrhea but each individual is different. To this day I am still suffering with various side effects. The dreams have gone but I struggle with cognitive issues, no sex drive at all, depression, stomach issues, mood swings to name a few. These affect my personal and working life and it has come to a point where I can no longer tolerate.

I have been reading stories about people who have "cured" themselves of this so called virus using various methods. I want to explore as many options as possible.

I am always told by specialists not to come off my meds as it can do more harm than good. Well they are going to say that aren't they?? as they have been soo fucking brainwashed by big pharma to keep us "sufferers as customers" Now I don't know whether I am going to shoot myself in the foot here, it is a gamble but I want you guy's along for the ride.

Here's what i'm going to do....

I have made an appointment for Monday 24th to see my specialist, I am coming off my meds as I want my life back. I feel dumbed down and useless on them (which I indeed think is on purpose)

All of my life I have had good intuition, a psychic ability as such. I have lost this since being on these meds. I feel I am being used as some kind of sick experiment by the PTB (my gut feeling has never done me wrong) and I don't want to be a part of it anymore.

I am going to start "Oil Pulling" to rid my system of the toxins, continue with the colloidal silver and coconut oil and I am going for a colonic with colloidal silver as supposedly, the virus resides in your gut?? After 6 months I am going to get "retested" at a different clinic using a false name to see if I have been cured or whether I didn't have the fucking thing in the first place.

I am just worried that there is something in the meds that could have altered me in some way?? meaning I will have to take them for the rest of my life?? I could die trying this theory in the name of truth....

I will keep you all updated with my progress..

Please keep this thread alive as I think it will help the people who are not brave enough to discuss or come out about this. Please also add any useful information that you come across and PLEASE no negativity, name calling or arguments if can be helped. We need to be mature about this regardless of personal feelings over gay people or this so called condition.

As always.....

Peace and Love to you all and never stop SPEAKING THE THRUTH.

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Old 21-06-2013, 10:37 AM   #2
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Check out 'house of cards.' It exposes aids/hiv as completely scientifically bogus.

Basically, the only people who die from 'aids' are those who take the meds.

aids and hiv are a complete fraud, imo.

I am not offering medical advice of any kind mind you, but I urge you to watch the film at some point if you haven't already.
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Check out 'house of cards.' It exposes aids/hiv as completely scientifically bogus.

Basically, the only people who die from 'aids' are those who take the meds.

aids and hiv are a complete fraud, imo.

I am not offering medical advice of any kind mind you, but I urge you to watch the film at some point if you haven't already.
I have watched house of cards and it angered me somewhat, I think it played on my mind which subconsciously has started this whole thing off in the first place. I am now detached from Ego which has given me the power to fight this head on. Thank you for your advice. Very much appreciated.
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Old 21-06-2013, 11:11 AM   #4
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This is a noble and truly altruistic thing that you propose.

I wish you well (if only it was that easy?), and send you the strength to try and reveal the truth for yourself.

Please be safe and make your partner/family aware of your plan - I have no idea what stopping the meds may do.

Update us regularly please.

Also see the threads in the Health / Nutrition / Diet / Alternative Therapies / Healing part of the forum....... we have discussed HIV in many threads.
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Old 21-06-2013, 11:47 AM   #5
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This is a noble and truly altruistic thing that you propose.

I wish you well (if only it was that easy?), and send you the strength to try and reveal the truth for yourself.

Please be safe and make your partner/family aware of your plan - I have no idea what stopping the meds may do.

Update us regularly please.

Also see the threads in the Health / Nutrition / Diet / Alternative Therapies / Healing part of the forum....... we have discussed HIV in many threads.
Thank you for your kind words. It is encouragement like this that spurs me on. At the end of the day, I can try to see how it goes and will be monitored closely by my specialist. If all fails then will have no other option but to go back on my meds. I have to do this for myself and others. I have my partners full support on this, he just wants the best for me.

I promise I will keep you all updated on my progress. Positive thinking can be very powerful. I have looked through some of the threads on here relating to HIV but not come across one quite like this before. I know the next few weeks will be a rough ride however my determination and support from my partner will see me through I'm sure. I'm a stubborn bastard but proud to be taking these steps if it helps others.

Thank you again.
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Old 21-06-2013, 02:24 PM   #6
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I wish you all the luck and all the best, whatever you decide to do and whatever happens.
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I think what you're planning is a brave act...I hope it all goes well, I don't trust the story we've been fed about HIV at all...too much seems to be up for speculation.

Good luck.
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Basically, the only people who die from 'aids' are those who take the meds.
this is wrong.
i knew a few people that died in the early days, before they had the meds for it.
you have not a clue about the reality of it.
how many people do you personally know, who have had aids?
i have buried over a dozen close friends over the years.
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this is wrong.
i knew a few people that died in the early days, before they had the meds for it.
you have not a clue about the reality of it.
how many people do you personally know, who have had aids?
i have buried over a dozen close friends over the years.
Hi Bikerdruid,

I have read some of your posts before regarding whet you have mentioned. I am sorry for your losses. I would be interested to hear what your take is on ARV's tho??
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I wish you all the luck and all the best, whatever you decide to do and whatever happens.
Thank you. Very sweet xx
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I think what you're planning is a brave act...I hope it all goes well, I don't trust the story we've been fed about HIV at all...too much seems to be up for speculation.

Good luck.
Thanks Zep. You have offered some great posts and opinions on this forum. I have to say I agree with you in some ways. HIV is probably one of the greatest health conspiracies of our time.
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Hi Bikerdruid,

I have read some of your posts before regarding whet you have mentioned. I am sorry for your losses. I would be interested to hear what your take is on ARV's tho??

in the early days of aids, being diagnosed with aids meant that you would die within a year or less..
period.
today, people can live for several years.
some of the meds must be doing something good.
i certainly know nothing of specifics about ARV's, though..

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in the early days of aids, being diagnosed with aids meant that you would die within a year or less..
period.
today, people can live for several years.
some of the meds must be doing something good.
i certainly know nothing of specifics about ARV's, though..
I have an opinion that in the 80s when people didn't know they had it, constant partying, drug use and the lack of personal care contributed towards their deaths. There is 2 types of HIV, type 1 & 2 one supposedly more deadly than the other. I strongly believe however that there are natural alternatives to ARV's out there. Plus with simple lifestyle changes, exercise and a positive (no pun intended) outlook can work wonders. I will keep you posted on my journey... Thanks for your contribution.
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I have an opinion that in the 80s when people didn't know they had it, constant partying, drug use and the lack of personal care contributed towards their deaths. There is 2 types of HIV, type 1 & 2 one supposedly more deadly than the other. I strongly believe however that there are natural alternatives to ARV's out there. Plus with simple lifestyle changes, exercise and a positive (no pun intended) outlook can work wonders. I will keep you posted on my journey... Thanks for your contribution.
i wish you well on your journey.
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this is wrong.
i knew a few people that died in the early days, before they had the meds for it.
you have not a clue about the reality of it.
how many people do you personally know, who have had aids?
i have buried over a dozen close friends over the years.
BD, I like and respect you, but your emotions about this issue, which are understandable, are not allowing your normal clear headedness to come through.

AIDS is real. HIV is not. Lots of people have died from AIDS. No one has died from HIV. In Japan AIDS is virtually unknown, yet, in random testing, 25% of people were found to be HIV-positive. "HIV-positive response means nothing of any relevance to health: it can be triggered by vaccination, malnutrition, M.S., measles, influenza, papilloma virus wart, Epstein Barr virus, leprosy, glandular fever, hepatitis, syphillis, in total, over sixty different conditions." Dr Robert E. Willner

There is no known scientific explanation for how a retrovirus like HIV could kill anyone. Many of the people who are dying these days are people who received HIV diagnoses but had no AIDS symptoms of any kind. They then began taking various HIV drugs which are almost all highly toxic poisons and immune suppresants, and then they sickened and died. They didn't die from HIV. They died from HIV drugs. If you love your friends, keep them away from HIV drugs. You can fight real AIDS the same way you can fight real cancer, through boosting your immune system.

There are dozens, if not hundreds, of physicians who recognize that HIV has nothing to do with AIDS, including Dr. Peter Duesberg, professor of molecular biology at the University of California, Berkeley, and one of the world's leading experts on retroviruses, a field he helped pioneer. Duesberg doesn't belive that it is scientifically possible for HIV, if it exists, to cause AIDS. He first raised his concerns in the 1980s. They have never been disproven.

"AIDS - You Can Cure It
Dr. Richard Schulze

To cure AIDS, its a total life style change --- not a drug or a pill. Natural healing can cure AIDS. But if you are looking for one special anti-viral herb to solve this disease, you’re as nuts as the doctors. How stupid can these experts be (and the patients, too), to believe that a single drug, a chemical on its lonesome, can cure a total body breakdown? We don't need any more research money to cure AIDS. In case you are groggy or dense and didn't get my point, I will repeat it: AIDS can be cured. Right now. Forget the DNA research. Forget the emotional fund-raisers. They're not necessary. It can also save those who are skin and bone and sores and diarrhea. If you follow all this information, you can end up cured and HIV-negative. Sympathy and understanding cannot cure AIDS. This information will cure --- but only if you use it with all your heart and soul. If people would live right, eat right, think right, use natural healing, and stop taking all drugs, the AIDS epidemic would end.

And, of course, we think of AIDS as a disease, but it really isn't. It's just the combination of diseases that happens when your immune system gets depressed. You build up your immune system and.. oh, and this guy ended up not even testing HIV positive. I almost forgot that. It's supposed to be impossible, but then, in the last 5 years, I've heard of hundreds of cases like that. In other words, he got so well they couldn't even find the antibody for HIV in him. And that's how you know that a lot of the information out there is garbage. For example, 5% of AIDS cases today don't test HIV-positive. His lung fibrosis went away, but there was always some scar tissue in there. His lungs were never 100%, but they could have been if he had done more work in that direction. But I do remember that a couple of years after, he had a slip, and this is quite common. And his T-cell count started going down. He had a relapse and, of course, he had gone off his program. He got back onto a program, and everything went back to healthy I had a woman patient who had breast cancer with a malignant tumor, golf-ball size. Got rid of it through natural healing, and she had a lump come back in her breast about 10 times probably every year. When I call her, and she goes back on her program, it goes away."

http://www.whale.to/a/schulze.html
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All of my life I have had good intuition, a psychic ability as such. I have lost this since being on these meds. I feel I am being used as some kind of sick experiment by the PTB (my gut feeling has never done me wrong) and I don't want to be a part of it anymore.
I would suggest that the 'sick experiments' have been and gone years ago. Big pharma knows full well what its doing now. Its not an experiment any longer, the programme works. Medication is not to keep people healthy, its to keep people in a state of continual dependence on their drugs, whether it is for HIV/AIDS, diabetes, cancer, heart disease, etc.

ok, so you've asked for 'useful information' that could help. Colloidal silver, great. We use it all the time in our house, it is one of the greatest tools for healing. I've never used it for collonics or enemas, but I can see that working. (I can also see it being very costly as well!)

So....if you're not squeemish about that stuff, then urine enemas are probably the most powerful detoxification you'll ever likely to experience. Urine therapy is probably the most transformative thing I've ever done. It freaks people out, so I don't talk about it much.

Check out a guy called Andrew Norton Webber on youtube. He's an advocate of urine therapy and the drinking of distilled water. Since I've bought my water distiller, I've not looked back, I'm the healthiest I've ever been in my life. Lots of people are very fearful of distilled water (and urine therapy) due to A LOT of disinfo bandied around on the internet (and this forum!) but when something is this heavily suppressed, then you know its the good stuff If you want any advice then feel free to PM me

I'll be really interested to hear about your progress. You sound to me like you're doing the right thing and I wish you all the best
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I would suggest that the 'sick experiments' have been and gone years ago. Big pharma knows full well what its doing now. Its not an experiment any longer, the programme works. Medication is not to keep people healthy, its to keep people in a state of continual dependence on their drugs, whether it is for HIV/AIDS, diabetes, cancer, heart disease, etc.

ok, so you've asked for 'useful information' that could help. Colloidal silver, great. We use it all the time in our house, it is one of the greatest tools for healing. I've never used it for collonics or enemas, but I can see that working. (I can also see it being very costly as well!)

So....if you're not squeemish about that stuff, then urine enemas are probably the most powerful detoxification you'll ever likely to experience. Urine therapy is probably the most transformative thing I've ever done. It freaks people out, so I don't talk about it much.

Check out a guy called Andrew Norton Webber on youtube. He's an advocate of urine therapy and the drinking of distilled water. Since I've bought my water distiller, I've not looked back, I'm the healthiest I've ever been in my life. Lots of people are very fearful of distilled water (and urine therapy) due to A LOT of disinfo bandied around on the internet (and this forum!) but when something is this heavily suppressed, then you know its the good stuff If you want any advice then feel free to PM me

I'll be really interested to hear about your progress. You sound to me like you're doing the right thing and I wish you all the best
Thank you so much for the information. When you say Urine therapy, is that a combination of drinking distilled water then passing and drinking your own urine?? Ok I'm willing to try anything to get off these meds. Have you or anyone else you know tried MSM??
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BD, I like and respect you, but your emotions about this issue, which are understandable, are not allowing your normal clear headedness to come through.

AIDS is real. HIV is not. Lots of people have died from AIDS. No one has died from HIV. In Japan AIDS is virtually unknown, yet, in random testing, 25% of people were found to be HIV-positive. "HIV-positive response means nothing of any relevance to health: it can be triggered by vaccination, malnutrition, M.S., measles, influenza, papilloma virus wart, Epstein Barr virus, leprosy, glandular fever, hepatitis, syphillis, in total, over sixty different conditions." Dr Robert E. Willner

There is no known scientific explanation for how a retrovirus like HIV could kill anyone. Many of the people who are dying these days are people who received HIV diagnoses but had no AIDS symptoms of any kind. They then began taking various HIV drugs which are almost all highly toxic poisons and immune suppresants, and then they sickened and died. They didn't die from HIV. They died from HIV drugs. If you love your friends, keep them away from HIV drugs. You can fight real AIDS the same way you can fight real cancer, through boosting your immune system.

There are dozens, if not hundreds, of physicians who recognize that HIV has nothing to do with AIDS, including Dr. Peter Duesberg, professor of molecular biology at the University of California, Berkeley, and one of the world's leading experts on retroviruses, a field he helped pioneer. Duesberg doesn't belive that it is scientifically possible for HIV, if it exists, to cause AIDS. He first raised his concerns in the 1980s. They have never been disproven.

"AIDS - You Can Cure It
Dr. Richard Schulze

To cure AIDS, its a total life style change --- not a drug or a pill. Natural healing can cure AIDS. But if you are looking for one special anti-viral herb to solve this disease, you’re as nuts as the doctors. How stupid can these experts be (and the patients, too), to believe that a single drug, a chemical on its lonesome, can cure a total body breakdown? We don't need any more research money to cure AIDS. In case you are groggy or dense and didn't get my point, I will repeat it: AIDS can be cured. Right now. Forget the DNA research. Forget the emotional fund-raisers. They're not necessary. It can also save those who are skin and bone and sores and diarrhea. If you follow all this information, you can end up cured and HIV-negative. Sympathy and understanding cannot cure AIDS. This information will cure --- but only if you use it with all your heart and soul. If people would live right, eat right, think right, use natural healing, and stop taking all drugs, the AIDS epidemic would end.

And, of course, we think of AIDS as a disease, but it really isn't. It's just the combination of diseases that happens when your immune system gets depressed. You build up your immune system and.. oh, and this guy ended up not even testing HIV positive. I almost forgot that. It's supposed to be impossible, but then, in the last 5 years, I've heard of hundreds of cases like that. In other words, he got so well they couldn't even find the antibody for HIV in him. And that's how you know that a lot of the information out there is garbage. For example, 5% of AIDS cases today don't test HIV-positive. His lung fibrosis went away, but there was always some scar tissue in there. His lungs were never 100%, but they could have been if he had done more work in that direction. But I do remember that a couple of years after, he had a slip, and this is quite common. And his T-cell count started going down. He had a relapse and, of course, he had gone off his program. He got back onto a program, and everything went back to healthy I had a woman patient who had breast cancer with a malignant tumor, golf-ball size. Got rid of it through natural healing, and she had a lump come back in her breast about 10 times probably every year. When I call her, and she goes back on her program, it goes away."

http://www.whale.to/a/schulze.html
I will have a look into this guy's work. Thank you for your contribution. Appreciated.
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Good luck to you and your good health!!!


I don’t do Doctors myself, I look after myself and well,, Lucky I guess. And as long as I am compos mentis and have choice I will avoid them no matter!


On youtube HIV=Aids Fact or fraud?

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