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Old 19-08-2012, 07:14 PM   #41
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Old 19-08-2012, 07:29 PM   #42
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So you're saying people who believe nuclear scientists and the testimony of Japanese natives who have tested it themselves with radiation detectors are somehow hastening Japan's demise? O_-

People who choose to believe mainstream liars are indeed hastening the demise of Japan. People who speak up about the lies are trying to help.

You speak as if all nuclear scientsits are telling the same stories about Fukushima and agree on everything. They are not and do not.

You speak as if all Japanese natives are telling the same story. They aren't. Where did you get the idea they are? My friends, who have left Japan, chose not to believe Tepco and did their own testing. That's why they left.

This is from Fukushima Diary:

"Prof. Takeda Kunihiko from Chubu university roughly estimated anyone can no longer live in Japan after 3/31/2015.

According to his explanation, the yearly dose will reach 5mSv/y (External dose and the slight internal dose) in 3 years and 4 months from January of 2012.

He states, he receives radiation data from one of his readers. The person measures radiation three times a day, at work, doorway of house, and the living room in Mie prefecture (500km from Fukushima). Prof. Takeda admits the data is scientific enough.

From the radiation level has been in the increasing trend since last September. In linear equations (y=ax+b), the average from January to March (=b) is 0.10 μSv/h, a is +0.004 μSv/h. y reaches 5mSv/y in 3 years and 3 months, so yearly dose will be over 5mSv/y in 3 years and 4 months from January of 2012, when is 3/31/2015."

When did you last read Fukushima Diary? They have a whole section dedicated to helping people evacuate Japan.

Do you even know who the flyjin are? If not, why not?
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Old 19-08-2012, 07:30 PM   #43
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"Fukushima Nuclear
Situation 'Deteriorating'

By Richard Wilcox
August 19, 2012

Were it not for certain nuclear whistle blowers and outside, independent experts, the public would have to rely on the glib and technically inaccessible reports from Tokyo Electric Power Company (Tepco) or the Japanese government. Not that those reports are entirely without substance, but due to the incomprehensible technical jargon most people simply throw up their hands and hope for the best.

Luckily, in this day of the internet we can learn a lot about what is going on thanks to independent researchers and writers. To the extent that mainstream newspapers have covered the issue responsibly, and there has been substantive coverage, web sites like “enenews.com”; “fukushima-diary.com” and “rense.com” have served as information clearinghouses for mainstream news, academic studies and independent sources of journalism about the nuclear crisis in Japan.

Given this wide perspective, it is hard to see how any meaningful progress is being made at the Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant (FNPP). This is the conclusion I drew, or anyone with reasonable skills of observation would have drawn, in April of 2011. The Japanese government kept telling us that “everything is under control” and there is “no immediate danger,” all the while, lying through their teeth about the reactor meltdowns.

“Any intelligent layperson who considers the technical aspects of the disaster will be at a loss as to how the plant operators will be able to restore the cooling system, which may be badly damaged, to reactors that themselves may be unrepairable or in various states of melt-down. If the nuclear fuel in the reactors has melted through to the floor, what would be the point of setting up a cooling system to a dysfunctional reactor and a pool of melted fuel? No one in the government clearly answers these questions nor has the international community come forth with a possible solution.” (1).

Credit must be given to the hard work of engineers and makeshift cooling systems were installed, but the state of the reactors is precarious--highly radioactive--and things have not gone smoothly for plant operators, Tepco. As for long term solutions, none are presented. We are supposed to believe that out of this gigantic mess of strewn rubble and constantly leaking pipes and cooling systems, progress is being made. At some level there is: as long as the melted fuel keeps cooling and there are no other major earthquakes, the level of radioactivity will naturally decrease. But this is a hypothetical, best-case scenario.

The fuel pools of Units three or four could collapse in another large earthquake and the highly radioactive fuel rods will not be removed until 2013 at the earliest-- putting the entire world in grave peril every second that ticks by.

Nuclear expert, Arnie Gundersen, recently stated regarding units 1 - 3 that they will “get to the point where they throw some concrete down on the top of it and come back in 300 years.” Gundersen thinks this may not even be cleaned up in “500 years!” (2) This bears repetition:

FUKUSHIMA’S ENVIRONMENT WILL NOT EVEN BE RESTORED IN 500 YEARS

It’s no wonder nuclear watchdogs have created a special rating system for Fukushima-- putting it in a new category, above Chernobyl, as a no. 8 level nuclear disaster. Fukushima is a “[m]ulti-source major nuclear accident requiring international assistance and monitoring” (3).

A Few Quadrillion Becquerals Here, A Few Quadrillion There...

Meanwhile in Tokyo the Japanese government admits that the incineration of radioactive debris shipped from the tsunami disaster zone, from 2011 to 2013, will emit at least 2 billion becquerals of radiation into the air (according to my calculations) (4; 5). Yes, you read that correctly: TWO BILLION. Compared to the FNPP disaster that is not much at all, that number could end up being lower, or even much higher, depending on how much debris is burned, how radioactive it is, whether the equipment malfunctions, and so on. The curious point is that the Japanese government admits they are intentionally emitting radiation into densely populated urban environments. Nominally, this policy is “to help the people in the Northeast” (or more likely to help their buddies in the incineration business). This is sheer insanity, but these are the times we live in, when even Japanese school children are being given pamphlets “full of misleading information and half-truths” about the safety of burning radioactive debris (6).

The government’s heartfelt concern for the inhabitants of the northeast is touching. But after 17 months are there still evacuees living in classrooms partitioned with cardboard (7) and rumors of many people dying from cancer due to radioactive fallout. This has gone unreported in the establishment press (8).

Meanwhile, the situation at the FNPP is still unstable. Tepco has admitted that

“a total of about 10 million becquerals per hour of radioactive cesium was being emitted from the No. 1 to No. 3 reactors as of June. That is about one-80 millionths of the level that was being spewed immediately after the accident” (9).

This is down from a peak of thousands of trillions of becquerals at the time of the reactor explosions (10; 11). Measured as quadrillions or as petabecquerals (10 to the 15th power) (12), the radiation emitted was comparable to Chernobyl, being well over half if not roughly equivalent in volume (13). While the worst Chernobyl had to offer was pretty much over once it had blown its lid, Fukushima could still release vastly greater amounts of harmful radiation due to the nuclear fuel at the site."

http://rense.com/general95/fuknucl.html
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Old 19-08-2012, 07:32 PM   #44
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More from the article cited above:

"The FNPP site is fraught with danger, with constant reports of highly toxic water leaking from this pipe or that, or this reactor or that. For example, water in Unit 2 turbine basement was found to have 47 million becquerals per liter (19). These sorts of conditions are common. Many engineers are “highly suspicious” of government assurances that things are going well. For example,

“Takahashi Kei, a former cooling system worker at the plant now working as a radiation survey volunteer, said the utility company’s executives are portraying the situation in the best possible light. ‘There are leaks everywhere, wreckage too. It’s not as simple as they portray,’ he said.”

Japanese nuclear expert, Hiroaki Koide, recently said that “The state of the reactors is still deteriorating” (20). Let’s repeat that for the audience at home:

THE STATE OF THE REACTORS IS STILL DETERIORATING.

This hardly sounds like a successful “cold shutdown” and tends to support Gundersen’s idea that the units 1 - 3 will have to be entombed in concrete (if not with Japanese parliament member’s tempura, leftover from their extravagant taxpayer funded banquets). Recently there is talk from engineers who have intimate knowledge of the FNPP situation, and even from the government, that Japan needs to recruit help from the international community of scientists and engineers (21; 22; 23). Hey! Good idea, let’s hope they don’t wait too long. After all, this disaster is not only Japan’s fault, but an international issue from start to finish.

The lesson yet to be learned is that nuclear power is inherently dangerous and that the consequences for humanity and the environment continue to be “unimaginably, unimaginable” in their size.

Richard Wilcox has a Ph.D. in Environmental Studies from a social science, holistic perspective. He teaches at a number of universities in the Tokyo, Japan area. His articles on the Fukushima nuclear disaster have been published at Counterpunch, Global Research, Dissident Voice, Activist Post, Zen-Haven, and Rense.com. His most recent interview with Jeff Rense is available at the website www.rense.com. Many of his environmental articles are archived at:
http://environmentalarmageddon.wordp...Richard+Wilcox

References

1. Testimony from Japan: Evolving Coverup of a Nuclear Disaster
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...t=va&aid=24302

2. Arnold Gundersen with the latest on Fukushima, including the perilous worldwide consequences if reactor no. 4 collapses
http://ifyoulovethisplanet.org/?p=6282

3. Nuclear incident scales
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/pages/portzline-images

4. My Opinion on Radioactive Disaster Waste
http://www.cnic.jp/english/newslette...sterwaste.html

5. Radiation in Japan: Tokyo Will Burn Miyagi's Disaster (and Radioactive) Debris
http://ex-skf.blogspot.jp/2011/11/ra...will-burn.html

6. Radioactive Disaster Debris: Kitakyushu City Educates Kids How Safe It Is to Burn the Debris
http://ex-skf.blogspot.jp/2012/07/ra...itakyushu.html

7. Over 200 Evacuees from Futaba-machi Still Live in Classrooms
http://ex-skf.blogspot.jp/2012/08/ra...-evacuees.html

8.`We receive tons of frightening information'
http://dissensus-japan.blogspot.jp/2...=Google+Reader

9. After 500 days, Fukushima No. 1 plant still not out of the woods
http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311dis...AJ201207240087

10. Fukushima-derived radionuclides in the ocean and biota off Japan http://www.pnas.org/content/early/20...ml?with-ds=yes

11. Scientists: Far more cesium released than previously believed
http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311dis...AJ201202290025

12. Becqueral

13. Chernobyl: Assessment of Radiological and Health Impact 2002 Update of Chernobyl: Ten Years On
http://www.oecd-nea.org/rp/chernobyl/c02.html

14. GOVERNMENT PROBE: Reactor cooling botched at Fukushima No. 1, but not No. 2 plant
http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311dis...AJ201207240096

15. Meltdown: What Really Happened at Fukushima?
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/globa...kushima/39541/

16. Report on Nuclear Disaster Holds Key to Reactors' Fate
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...658775518.html

17. July 6, 2012, Pacifica Radio Host Ian Masters and Fairewinds' Arnie Gundersen: Lessons Not Learned From Fukushima Daiichi
http://www.fairewinds.com/radio

18. SolarlMG podcast with Arnie Gunderson- Aug 10/2012
http://solarimg.org/?p=3021

19. Unit 2 water 10 times more radioactive than Unit 1
http://enenews.com/unit-2-water-10-t...-room-basement

20. In Japan, a nuclear ghost town stirs to life
http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news...s-to-life?lite

21. Retired Fukushima engineers to seek U.S. assistance
http://fukushima-diary.com/2012/07/y...-s-assistance/

22. Fukushima Chief Yoshida on Video: We must bring foreign experts in to help
http://enenews.com/fukushima-chief-y...not-stabilized

23. Japanese government strengthening international cooperation in nuclear decommissioning and decontamination
http://www.shimbun.denki.or.jp/en/news/20120731_01.html"
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US halts shipments of Japanese beef due to concerns of radioactive contamination from Fukushima disaster -

http://enenews.com/nhk-us-halts-ship...disaster-video
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“Complete Information Control”: Japan newspapers receive much frightening info that’s covered up — Some evacuees died from acute symptoms yet not reported — Journalists scared

According to the news received yesterday, 6 evacuees out of 10 from a certain area of Namiecho who relocated themselves in Yonezawa died of acute symptoms (it was said leukemia), and that horrified the remaining evacuees. They presented this fact to the administration and medias, however, the media didn’t report it at all. They said they are scared of the government."

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http://enenews.com/complete-informat...never-reported
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Yes I feel we should focus on reality issues of the control grid. I have to say David was defeatest in this statement, and it was also a sweeping statement. There are national parks people in Japan could move to, away from the exclusion zone.
Yes the radiation can't go in the parks, the trees will save them.
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For those of you who worship engineers, but live in a Fukushima fantasy land where no one dies from radiation poisoning, I guess you're just going to have to deal with some serious cognitive dissonance:

"Nuclear Engineer Arnie Gundersen: Fukushima Meltdown Could Result in 1 Million Cases of Cancer"

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/3/1...shima_meltdown

1,000,000 of course is very conservative based on the assumption that the Japanese government gets off its ass and does something and that no further damage is inflcited on the Fukushima buildings which seems unlikely.
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Look incase anyone has had their head in a bucket since the reactors blew up.
Tepco and the Japanese government have been lying their tits off since it first started. They havent stopped lying either.

Just thought I would get that straight......... carry on.
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Fukushima: It's much worse than you think
Scientific experts believe Japan's nuclear disaster to be far worse than governments are revealing to the public.

"Fukushima is the biggest industrial catastrophe in the history of mankind," Arnold Gundersen, a former nuclear industry senior vice president, told Al Jazeera.

Japan's 9.0 earthquake on March 11 caused a massive tsunami that crippled the cooling systems at the Tokyo Electric Power Company's (TEPCO) nuclear plant in Fukushima, Japan. It also led to hydrogen explosions and reactor meltdowns that forced evacuations of those living within a 20km radius of the plant.

Gundersen, a licensed reactor operator with 39 years of nuclear power engineering experience, managing and coordinating projects at 70 nuclear power plants around the US, says the Fukushima nuclear plant likely has more exposed reactor cores than commonly believed.

"Fukushima has three nuclear reactors exposed and four fuel cores exposed," he said, "You probably have the equivalent of 20 nuclear reactor cores because of the fuel cores, and they are all in desperate need of being cooled, and there is no means to cool them effectively."

TEPCO has been spraying water on several of the reactors and fuel cores, but this has led to even greater problems, such as radiation being emitted into the air in steam and evaporated sea water - as well as generating hundreds of thousands of tons of highly radioactive sea water that has to be disposed of.

"The problem is how to keep it cool," says Gundersen. "They are pouring in water and the question is what are they going to do with the waste that comes out of that system, because it is going to contain plutonium and uranium. Where do you put the water?"

Even though the plant is now shut down, fission products such as uranium continue to generate heat, and therefore require cooling.

"The fuels are now a molten blob at the bottom of the reactor," Gundersen added. "TEPCO announced they had a melt through. A melt down is when the fuel collapses to the bottom of the reactor, and a melt through means it has melted through some layers. That blob is incredibly radioactive, and now you have water on top of it. The water picks up enormous amounts of radiation, so you add more water and you are generating hundreds of thousands of tons of highly radioactive water."

Independent scientists have been monitoring the locations of radioactive "hot spots" around Japan, and their findings are disconcerting.

"We have 20 nuclear cores exposed, the fuel pools have several cores each, that is 20 times the potential to be released than Chernobyl," said Gundersen. "The data I'm seeing shows that we are finding hot spots further away than we had from Chernobyl, and the amount of radiation in many of them was the amount that caused areas to be declared no-man's-land for Chernobyl. We are seeing square kilometres being found 60 to 70 kilometres away from the reactor. You can't clean all this up. We still have radioactive wild boar in Germany, 30 years after Chernobyl."

Radiation monitors for children

Japan's Nuclear Emergency Response Headquarters finally admitted earlier this month that reactors 1, 2, and 3 at the Fukushima plant experienced full meltdowns.

TEPCO announced that the accident probably released more radioactive material into the environment than Chernobyl, making it the worst nuclear accident on record.

Meanwhile, a nuclear waste advisor to the Japanese government reported that about 966 square kilometres near the power station - an area roughly 17 times the size of Manhattan - is now likely uninhabitable.

In the US, physician Janette Sherman MD and epidemiologist Joseph Mangano published an essay shedding light on a 35 per cent spike in infant mortality in northwest cities that occurred after the Fukushima meltdown, and may well be the result of fallout from the stricken nuclear plant.

The eight cities included in the report are San Jose, Berkeley, San Francisco, Sacramento, Santa Cruz, Portland, Seattle, and Boise, and the time frame of the report included the ten weeks immediately following the disaster.

"There is and should be concern about younger people being exposed, and the Japanese government will be giving out radiation monitors to children," Dr MV Ramana, a physicist with the Programme on Science and Global Security at Princeton University who specialises in issues of nuclear safety, told Al Jazeera.

Dr Ramana explained that he believes the primary radiation threat continues to be mostly for residents living within 50km of the plant, but added: "There are going to be areas outside of the Japanese government's 20km mandatory evacuation zone where radiation is higher. So that could mean evacuation zones in those areas as well."

Gundersen points out that far more radiation has been released than has been reported.

"They recalculated the amount of radiation released, but the news is really not talking about this," he said. "The new calculations show that within the first week of the accident, they released 2.3 times as much radiation as they thought they released in the first 80 days."

According to Gundersen, the exposed reactors and fuel cores are continuing to release microns of caesium, strontium, and plutonium isotopes. These are referred to as "hot particles".

"We are discovering hot particles everywhere in Japan, even in Tokyo," he said. "Scientists are finding these everywhere. Over the last 90 days these hot particles have continued to fall and are being deposited in high concentrations. A lot of people are picking these up in car engine air filters."

Radioactive air filters from cars in Fukushima prefecture and Tokyo are now common, and Gundersen says his sources are finding radioactive air filters in the greater Seattle area of the US as well.

The hot particles on them can eventually lead to cancer.

"These get stuck in your lungs or GI tract, and they are a constant irritant," he explained, "One cigarette doesn't get you, but over time they do. These [hot particles] can cause cancer, but you can't measure them with a Geiger counter. Clearly people in Fukushima prefecture have breathed in a large amount of these particles. Clearly the upper West Coast of the US has people being affected. That area got hit pretty heavy in April." "

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/fea...828302638.html
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More from the aljazeera article:

"Blame the US?

In reaction to the Fukushima catastrophe, Germany is phasing out all of its nuclear reactors over the next decade. In a referendum vote this Monday, 95 per cent of Italians voted in favour of blocking a nuclear power revival in their country. A recent newspaper poll in Japan shows nearly three-quarters of respondents favour a phase-out of nuclear power in Japan.

Why have alarms not been sounded about radiation exposure in the US?

Nuclear operator Exelon Corporation has been among Barack Obama's biggest campaign donors, and is one of the largest employers in Illinois where Obama was senator. Exelon has donated more than $269,000 to his political campaigns, thus far. Obama also appointed Exelon CEO John Rowe to his Blue Ribbon Commission on America's Nuclear Future.

Dr Shoji Sawada is a theoretical particle physicist and Professor Emeritus at Nagoya University in Japan.
He is concerned about the types of nuclear plants in his country, and the fact that most of them are of US design.

"Most of the reactors in Japan were designed by US companies who did not care for the effects of earthquakes," Dr Sawada told Al Jazeera. "I think this problem applies to all nuclear power stations across Japan."

Using nuclear power to produce electricity in Japan is a product of the nuclear policy of the US, something Dr Sawada feels is also a large component of the problem.

"Most of the Japanese scientists at that time, the mid-1950s, considered that the technology of nuclear energy was under development or not established enough, and that it was too early to be put to practical use," he explained. "The Japan Scientists Council recommended the Japanese government not use this technology yet, but the government accepted to use enriched uranium to fuel nuclear power stations, and was thus subjected to US government policy."

As a 13-year-old, Dr Sawada experienced the US nuclear attack against Japan from his home, situated just 1400 metres from the hypocentre of the Hiroshima bomb.

"I think the Fukushima accident has caused the Japanese people to abandon the myth that nuclear power stations are safe," he said. "Now the opinions of the Japanese people have rapidly changed. Well beyond half the population believes Japan should move towards natural electricity."

A problem of infinite proportions

Dr Ramana expects the plant reactors and fuel cores to be cooled enough for a shutdown within two years.
"But it is going to take a very long time before the fuel can be removed from the reactor," he added. "Dealing with the cracking and compromised structure and dealing with radiation in the area will take several years, there's no question about that."

Dr Sawada is not as clear about how long a cold shutdown could take, and said the problem will be "the effects from caesium-137 that remains in the soil and the polluted water around the power station and underground. It will take a year, or more time, to deal with this".

Gundersen pointed out that the units are still leaking radiation.

"They are still emitting radioactive gases and an enormous amount of radioactive liquid," he said. "It will be at least a year before it stops boiling, and until it stops boiling, it's going to be cranking out radioactive steam and liquids."

Gundersen worries about more earthquake aftershocks, as well as how to cool two of the units.

"Unit four is the most dangerous, it could topple," he said. "After the earthquake in Sumatra there was an 8.6 [aftershock] about 90 days later, so we are not out of the woods yet. And you're at a point where, if that happens, there is no science for this, no one has ever imagined having hot nuclear fuel lying outside the fuel pool. They've not figured out how to cool units three and four."

Gundersen's assessment of solving this crisis is grim.

"Units one through three have nuclear waste on the floor, the melted core, that has plutonium in it, and that has to be removed from the environment for hundreds of thousands of years," he said. "Somehow, robotically, they will have to go in there and manage to put it in a container and store it for infinity, and that technology doesn't exist. Nobody knows how to pick up the molten core from the floor, there is no solution available now for picking that up from the floor."

Dr Sawada says that the creation of nuclear fission generates radioactive materials for which there is simply no knowledge informing us how to dispose of the radioactive waste safely.

"Until we know how to safely dispose of the radioactive materials generated by nuclear plants, we should postpone these activities so as not to cause further harm to future generations," he explained. "To do otherwise is simply an immoral act, and that is my belief, both as a scientist and as a survivor of the Hiroshima atomic bombing."

Gundersen believes it will take experts at least ten years to design and implement the plan.

"So ten to 15 years from now maybe we can say the reactors have been dismantled, and in the meantime you wind up contaminating the water," Gundersen said. "We are already seeing Strontium [at] 250 times the allowable limits in the water table at Fukushima. Contaminated water tables are incredibly difficult to clean. So I think we will have a contaminated aquifer in the area of the Fukushima site for a long, long time to come."

Unfortunately, the history of nuclear disasters appears to back Gundersen's assessment.

"With Three Mile Island and Chernobyl, and now with Fukushima, you can pinpoint the exact day and time they started," he said, "But they never end." "
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Here's what happens to the trees:

Tokyo Professor: Deformities in cedar trees may be from Fukushima radiation — Sex abnormalities, malformed branches

http://enenews.com/tokyo-professor-d...ranches-photos
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Look incase anyone has had their head in a bucket since the reactors blew up.
Tepco and the Japanese government have been lying their tits off since it first started. They havent stopped lying either.

Just thought I would get that straight......... carry on.
The simplest truths of all, yet so many people don't get it.

Even people who understand that the US government and US media are always lying to protect corporate interests, somehow think that it's different in Japan. And of course to some extent they correct. It is different in Japan - the lying is much worse.
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Yes the radiation can't go in the parks, the trees will save them.

+1

I plan to relocate to Yellowstone National Park in the country of Wyoming....

It's somewhere in North America.....It shouldn't be hard to find....There i'll be safe from radiation & the USA police state........Since Wyoming is not part of the USA...but a seperate country.....There are millions of trees in Wyoming....so I'll be safe.....
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The simplest truths of all, yet so many people don't get it.

Even people who understand that the US government and US media are always lying to protect corporate interests, somehow think that it's different in Japan. And of course to some extent they correct. It is different in Japan - the lying is much worse.
Not just the US government and US media. Its a global cabal of elite corporate filth.
I think most people know that here on the DIF, but not so much out there I guess.
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I plan to relocate to Yellowstone National Park in the country of Wyoming....

It's somewhere in North America.....It shouldn't be hard to find....There i'll be safe from radiation & the USA police state........Since Wyoming is not part of the USA...but a seperate country.....There are millions of trees in Wyoming....so I'll be safe.....
Its just the explosion and molten magma that might be an issue.
The trees might shelter you ?
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I plan to relocate to Yellowstone National Park in the country of Wyoming....

It's somewhere in North America.....It shouldn't be hard to find....There i'll be safe from radiation & the USA police state........Since Wyoming is not part of the USA...but a seperate country.....There are millions of trees in Wyoming....so I'll be safe.....
Whenever I begin to wonder if this forum is still a leader in the truth movement, a post like this lifts my spirits and helps me remember what this site is about.
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Look incase anyone has had their head in a bucket since the reactors blew up.
Tepco and the Japanese government have been lying their tits off since it first started. They havent stopped lying either.
Oh I know that, the Japanese people know that, I just don't think that the nuclear risk is enough to kill off the entire population. If I'm wrong does that mean my life expectancy gets shorter every time I visit Tokyo

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I plan to relocate to Yellowstone National Park in the country of Wyoming....

It's somewhere in North America.....It shouldn't be hard to find....There i'll be safe from radiation & the USA police state........Since Wyoming is not part of the USA...but a seperate country.....There are millions of trees in Wyoming....so I'll be safe.....
Yellowstone Supervolcano-

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Old 19-08-2012, 10:51 PM   #60
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One thing that's incredible about this thread is the fact that Icke did the interview we're discussing over 6 months ago and yet only now it is being reported and discussed on this forum.

*Stands back in amazement*

Seriously, I was researching Fukushima and I stumbled across this interview but I'm sure plenty of people on this site saw this interview before this thread and yet no one thought it was newsworthy enough to post about? As someone who values Icke's opinions and research I would have liked to have known about this ASAP, anyone else?

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