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Old 18-05-2016, 03:51 AM   #1
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The Invasion of Iraq and other countries that followed was not due to Oil, Opium or other natural resources, But rather America is after something, or should i say someone!

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Very good timing for this thread. The article I am copying here which tells more about this was also published at an interesting time - about 11 days before the sarin attack in Goutha in Aug 2013, which we now know was perpetrated by the rebels and intended to allow a full scale invasion of Syria. After all sarin was used in the Holocaust and had great emotional ties but the UK Parliament was not impressed and against all expectations Assad is still there.

The timing here coincides with the US Senate ignoring Saudi threats to withdraw their billions in the US which could destroy the economy and stock prices and to allow 9/11 victims families to sue Saudi Arabia directly over 9/11. It may not get through Congress. Meanwhile Corbyn is saying that there may be war crimes to answer in court for Blair when the Chilcot report finally appears 6 years later and after the referendum as he says it will show Blair and Bush agreed to invade Iraq a year before Parliament voted on that. I think they are getting all this in now in case it is another whitewash as the people chosen to create that report were carefully chosen and their bios show that and how they are linked.

We all know about the list that General Wesley Clarke revealed which tells us that those nations with functioning air forces -Libya, Syria, Iraq and Iran were to be invaded and destroyed. In fact as some had links with Russia that may have helped to bring the coalition together for other reasons - naval bases (Libya had offered one) or even oil. But the thinking goes back to something quite different. I have written too much on this forum on the Blessed are the Peacemakers thread all about the prophecies that enticed young men from around the world to join the Jihad even how Iran claimed that Al Baghdadi was an Israeli actor called Shimon Elliot. We don’t know but perhaps they wanted to create a honey pot for these Jihadists which they could run and which would not be able to destroy the western world. Certainly they have been worrying about prophecies but I would point out that the Mahdi prophecy is really just another like the Maitreya, Kalki, Messiah etc and a late rather changed version of a very early one going back to Ancient Egyptian times. We are in the latter days and the Icelandic myth of Ragnarok also tells about this last great war of attrition.

So here is the article going back to those halcyon days before IS was headline news and all the more chilling for that:

“Why Is Israel looking for Imam Mahdi?
By GPD on August 11, 2013
Shabana Syed for Veterans Today

During the US occupation of Iraq it was routine to torture Iraqis in prisons like Abu Ghraib whose prison guards were using tactics learnt in Israeli training camps as Robert Fisk pointed out in ‘Abu Ghraib torture trail leads to Israel’; one of the most baffling questions asked during interrogation was “Where is the man called Imam Mahdi where is he hiding?”

According to Mohabat News a pro –Israel Iranian Christian news agency, the fear of the hidden Imam is so credible that they posted news of how the CIA and MI6 have been going to Iraq for the past 20 years to get information about imam Mahdi; how they tortured religious scholars and innocent villagers to ask question based on where the Imam was last seen? Which city? What time and when will he be coming again and in which year?

American corporate media has already shown sinister documentaries depicting the hidden messiah who is apparently advising Iranian politicians from his lofty hidden position and manoeuvring to bring about Armageddon.

So who is this Imam Mahdi that the Zionists controlling the American Congress and the international monetary system on the look- out for with orders to shoot him on sight.

Imam Mahdi is the 12th Shia Imam and according to Islamic hadiths is in ‘occultation’ or hidden and will return to earth to establish peace and justice on earth. He was born on July 29 869 in the city of Samarra, Iraq and his mother Nargis was of Roman descent.

He was kept hidden from birth till he disappeared because the rulers of the time the Abbasids knew the Prophesy of Imam Mahdi who will bring about a revolt against oppression and tyranny. The Abbasid’s knew that the prophesised one will be the son of the 11th Shia imam, Imam Al Askari.

In order to kill the child at the birth they kept a close eye on his household, even inspecting the women of the household to see who was with child.

According to the story the child’s birth and first few years were kept secret however as soon as Imam Al Askari was killed the son who was about 4 years old went into the realm of the hidden, he reappeared after a few years but disappeared again as the hunt for him gathered pace to await the ordained hour to reappear and destroy the perpetrators of evil and restore humanity.

Whether this is a fiction or non –fiction what is strange is that the same trend in the story continues till today; the oppressive rulers over a thousand years ago tried to hunt for him to kill him then and the present day oppressors are still hunting him to kill him.

Melanie Phillips the voice box for the Zionists recently on BBC Question time turned the discussion around again to the Shia Imam Mahdi hiding in Iran coming to bring about Armageddon.

In Journalist Matt Carr’s Infernal Machine blog he writes “In other words, the Iranian leadership is seeking nuclear weapons so that Iran can be destroyed and its population can all go to heaven. Not surprisingly this argument has been made by the bug-eyed Zionist zealot Melanie Phillips on numerous occasions”

Phillips writes: “As I have written over and over again, from the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei downwards the Iranian regime is dominated by people (adherents of a sect called the ‘Twelvers’) who believe that the Shia messiah, the Mahdi, will return to earth either as result of or to bring about the apocalyptic end of days”.

It is obvious the Zionists want war with Iran however what doesn’t make sense is why is the search on for a man supposed to have disappeared over a thousand years ago?

The hidden Imam has been part of Shia and Sunni Islam for centuries? And this belief is really no different than a form of Millenarianism that exists in all religions.

Christians believe that the saviour Jesus will return to fight the anti-Christ while the Jews are risking world war three by dismantling Islam’s third holiest site Masjid Al Aqsa to build the third Temple so the Jewish Messiah will return and take them to world domination.

According to sceptics and the secular trained western mind these are just biblical stories, however what is baffling is if they are just biblical stories then why is Israel looking for Imam Mahdi?

As facts emerge of this hunt then maybe we should not also dismiss the stories emerging from Iraq about what steps they have taken to look for him.

In 2006 Imam Mahdi’s father Imam Al -Askari’s tomb in Samarra which is a place that marks Imam Mahdi’s birth and disappearance was bombed by men dressed up as the security forces. The men entered the tomb, tied up the caretakers, wired up the area with bombs and according to the caretakers the security officers opened the tomb to take something from it. Many believe that they took some clothing from Imam Al -Askari’s body in an attempt to determine the DNA of the future Imam.

It’s not coincidental that Phillips and her American Zionist counterparts are fermenting fear again, this time about a ‘hidden Imam’.

Phillips is part of the network that perpetuates Islamophobia and part of the Israel first citizens whose psyche has been described aptly by David Ben Gurion, Israeli Prime Minister when he stated: “When a Jew, in America or in South Africa, talks to his Jewish companions about ‘our’ government, he means the government of Israel.”

They are part of the same network that inspired the Norwegian killer Anders Brevik who killed 77 innocent people mainly pro Palestinians supporters who were in favour of boycotting Israel.

These Israel first individuals are also part of the group that the hacker organization “Anonymous,” exposed when it said Israel had a hidden network of 30,000 covert operatives, some openly labelled “hitman,”.

Gordon Duff American political analyst and Senior Editor at Veterans Today writes in “Horror in Israel: ‘30,000 Mossad Spies Exposed” stating: “Every day we see it in the news, dozens killed in Pakistan, dozens more in Iraq, Kenya, Nigeria, the covert army of 30,000, planning terror, building a dozen car bombs a day and then being able to, not just write the lies blaming others but, in most cases, direct public officials, controlled through blackmail, threats or bribery, to “respond as directed.”

Instead of worrying about Armageddon brought on by a man who disappeared over a thousand years ago shouldn’t Phillips and the world worry about the warning given by Israeli military Historian Martin van Creveld when he said: “We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, …. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.”

For centuries the Talmud has taught that ‘Jesus the Nazarene’ “was sexually immoral, worshipped statues of stone, was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness, and refused to repent (Sanhedrin 107b; Sotah 47a)”.

However over the centuries through heavy funding and manipulation the Zionists managed to convince the Christians that it is Islam that is evil and needs to be counteracted through the unity of Christian/Zionists.

Most of the Christian bible belt in America has strong links with Zionists and therefore it must have been a shock to them when a Catholic Christian Hugo Chavez made a decisive speech after his momentous meeting with Iran’s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in which he states: “For us genuine Christians Jerusalem is a very holy location Prophet Jesus will come hand in hand with Hazrat Mahdi then peace will prevail all over the world”.

The fact that Chavez hinted that Muslims and Christian will unite to fight evil is something that the Zionists do not want. They have spent billions on Islamophobic think tanks and through the media to marginalise Muslims.

An interview conducted by Ann Curry on behalf of NBC with Iran President Ahmadinejad was not aired in 2009 because his answer about the hidden Imam did not support the view that they wanted to perpetuate ‘that he will bring about an apocalypse’.

President Ahmadinejad corrected her by stating: “What is being said about an apocalyptic war and – global war…… This is what the Zionists are claiming. Imam will come with logic, with culture, with science. He will come so that there is no more war. No more enmity, hatred. No more conflict…..he will return with Jesus Christ. The two will come back together. And working together, they would fill this world with love”.

The last thing Israel would want is that Christian groups should wake up and realise that the real enemy is not Islam but rather Zionism.

The fact that the Roman Catholic Church wants to turn a blind eye to the persecution of Christians in Jerusalem affirms why the founders of Israel and the House of Rothschild are in control as Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1744-1812), stated: “Let me issue and control a nation’s money and I care not who writes the laws.”

If Israel is basing its policies on some biblical belief that it was their right to return to Jerusalem as the ‘chosen people’ after 2,000 years of wandering (Keeping in mind the occupiers of Palestinian lands are originally Khazars) then it shouldn’t come as surprise that its leaders believe that it is fulfilling some kind of messianic prophesy.

Jonas E .Alexis in ‘Bolshevik Purge of Western Civilization and Rational Discourse (Part II)’ writes: “If this is still unbelievable, listen to former Shin Bet chief Yuval Diskin:

“My major problem is that I have no faith in the current leadership, which must lead us in an event on the scale of war with Iran or a regional war….I don’t believe in a leadership that makes decisions based on messianic feelings.”

Are these ‘Messianic feelings’ the reason why the search is on for Imam Mahdi. And if they are aware of his coming then they must also be aware of the hadith that states that “Armies carrying black flags will come from Khorassan and no power will be able to stop them and they will finally reach Baitul Maqdas (Masjid Aqsa) where they will erect their flags.”

The fact that Iran as the IAEA has revealed is not building a nuclear bomb however Israel is still pushing for war, could the reason be that the biggest supporters of the 12th Shia Imam Mahdi are in Iran and Khorassan is part of the region?

Khorassan is the north eastern province of Iran but also includes some parts of central Asia and Afghanistan.

Wherever the US and Israel has carried out wars they have used bombs containing white phosphorous, exposing the fact that wars are not about exporting democracy, but ensuring they leave a legacy of crippled and mutilated future generations unable to ever form a resistance movement.

Ten years after the start of the U.S. invasion in Iraq, doctors are witnessing an abnormally high number of cases of cancer and birth defects linked to the use of depleted uranium and white phosphorus by the US military. The current rate of birth defects for the city of Fallujah has surpassed those of Hiroshima and Nagasaki .

Leaked Afghan military documents by The Danish Daily revealed more than 1,100 instances of US-led forces having used white phosphorus (WP) grenades, rockets and bombs in residential areas in Afghanistan.



The Islamic hadiths that mentions the coming of Imam Mahdi leading an army carrying black flags also mentions that very few Arabs will support this Army siding with the tyrants.

The Arabs who will be with the Imam have already given an indication who they are, Hezbollah’s small ill equipped army defeated Israel a nuclear armed state and its state of the art weaponry; Hezbollah’s fighters may have been ill equipped but were infused with the same spirit that led Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib to break down the impregnable doors of the Jewish fort Khaybar, the same spirit his son Imam Hussain had at Karbala where his band of 72 stood against the tyrant Yazid’s army of 10,000.

It is quite poignant that over a thousand year old hadith mentions that many Arabs will work with the tyrants to fight against the coming Imam.

Who are these Arabs? We have seen already Saudi Arabia and the Gulf rulers’ alliance with Israel and nothing has exposed this more than the Syria conflict.

Israel is pushing for war with Syria and Iran along with Saudi Arabia and Qatar funneling large sums of money and weapons to militias inside Syria, and killing Shias is part of that agenda.

Journalist Seymour Hersh in his New Yorker article, “The Redirection,” highlighted how the Bush Administration’s whole focus was to undermine Iran and to weaken Hezbollah by working with Saudi Arabia funding extremist groups “

The New World Order has manage to create brutal forces in Islam friendly to Israel, a force that thinks it is Ok to rape women and children and show decapitated bodies as trophies on you tube? This intolerant form of Islam manufactured by British agent Abdul Wahab has produced an intolerant form of Islam propagated by the Saudi regime which sees Shias rather than Israel as the enemy.

Abdallah Tamimi one of the leaders of the Free Syrian Army asked Israel for help to establish Sunni rule to oppress Shias, Christians and Druze, stressing “Israel is not our enemy we want Israel to help us”.

Saudi Arabia and Israel is also funding sectarian warfare in countries like Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq, with an alarming numbers of Shias deaths taking place. Wikileaks US Lahore cables highlighted how Saudi Arabia is funding millions of dollars to Ahle- hadith and Islamic clerics in the region.

Shia death rate in Pakistan has escalated and even though efforts have been made at grass roots level by Sunni and Shia groups to unite to quell the killings however the future looks bloody after Nawaz Shariff who was brought into power by support of Saudi money will now allow the Saudis a free hand to do what it did in Afghanistan where it trained the Afghan youth in Saudi funded madrassas to produce the intolerant Taliban, and the intolerant Takfiris’s killing and mutilating in Syria.

It is possible that Millenarian beliefs will get stronger as the world’s leaders and rulers work with the proponents of the New World Order, dragging their nations and people into subjugation and slavery, and the only organization, the UN that was meant to protect nations and their rights is “..an illogical, unjust and completely undemocratic structure and mechanism. ….It is through abusing this improper mechanism that America and its accomplices have managed to disguise their bullying as noble concepts and impose it on the world”. Imam Khamenei

The fact that a strategy is being implemented by Israel with the support of the US to search for the hidden Imam leads one to believe that maybe there is some truth in the biblical story and in a world where we still want to believe in super heroes, it’s not so illogical if our eyes look wistfully with hope for an army that will emerge from Khorassan carrying black flags led by the prophesized one and fight against injustice.
August 20, 2013 at 1:52 am
Sign of the Savior/ Mahdi / Jesus, he will not have to announce himself, the Angels will announce him, when he will walk or come near you the angels will announce that ‘Hazrat Imam Mahdi Isa (as) has arrived.”/ H.H The Rightly Guided Leader Isa/ Jesus (PbuH) has arrived or He is Gods rightly Guided Savior or something similar, for the words keep changing according to the need of the hour but the meaning is the same. in a language that you understand no matter if you are German, french, jinnee, bird, animal or Whatever.

August 20, 2013 at 1:36 am
Imam Mahdi is a title which means ‘ The Guided Leader” This title can be used for ppl directly guided by God. meaning the Prophets of God. since in end times only Prophet that is going to be around is Jesus/Isa so there is a possibility that Imam & Jesus are the same person and in some Hadith it has been reported that Both Mahdi/Isa will walk hand in hand.
It is also reported that Imam will rise from khurassan, will be red & white with green eyes, would be from a poor area, cold weather and features like sons of Bani israel. A prominent nose and a big forehead.

he will appear after 14 centuries and three decades between 30 and 40 (not his age). meaning he will appear between 1430 ah to 1440 ah. usually ppl are confused
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August 15, 2013 at 2:57 am
Imama Mahdi is not Shia imam not at all. He will come and show to the believers who Jesus ( peace be upon him ) is. Jesus will come 7 yars after the Messiah of jews Antechrist or Dejjal for Muslims. Jesus and Imama Mahdi according to the Quran will fight together the ant├ęchrist…

Sheikh Imran Hosein, a prominant Muslim scholar, specialist on muslim escathology gives a some lecture in order to inform people about that………..

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/08...or-imam-mahdi/

There are many more comments on that article but I think that article is where the YouTube video got the story. If they did intend to keep some control on all of this they lost it. In fac t one could say that there actions have caused it. What does that say?

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I'm not sure whether they believe the Mahdi is literally coming or not.. But Britain & "Christian" America's policies towards the Middle East, from their creation of the Zionist movement to their war on Islam, are definitely due to their Apocalyptic vision. The progenitor of the modern NWO agenda said "all the world's a stage", & they are staging the Apocalypse. They are using biblical & Islamic prophecies as a script, hoping that the global populace will embrace their World Empire under the guise of a messianic reign.

And they want people to see Islam as the ultimate evil... the religion of the Anti-Christ who they will claim is the Mahdi.

It amazes me how many rightwing Christians are buying into this too.
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If these predictions come true, I pedict that they would be killed by drone strikes within a day of crowds forming around them.
It would be nice to believe God will send someone to save us from people who believe in God too much, but then that would have you believe that God is not in control of any justice on earth or judgment after death?
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Its insane. Not just in America but also in Europe and Russia and Ukraine. We have all these troops overseas fighting terrorists but then in the metropolitan areas you have tons of Muslims taking over companies and work places, threatening and harassing Jews and Christians out of the capitals into smaller cities.

I am not sure who has orchestrated this or who wants Muslims to take over the west by claiming asylum from a war that is happening in their countries. It is madness. Can someone please explain who is behind this? I am still clueless about this issue but I am having problems with Muslims on a daily basis.
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.... Can someone please explain who is behind this? I am still clueless about this issue but I am having problems with Muslims on a daily basis.
Those behind this are group called the NWO (New World Order), also known as the cabal , the controllers , the Illuminati. They are mostly Jewish and wan't to bring chaos and destruction on the world as they desperately try to cling to power ...

So they first unjustly attack muslim countries to create a refugee crisis, and then guilty europeans feel the refugees should be allowed into their countries ...

It's only a few % of wealthy jews that are behind this , and they don't care if this causes problems for ordinary jews...

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The video in post 1 is no longer available , so we'll never know what it was all about (never a good idea to just link to a video with no explanation) ..

We have it on good authority that one of the main reason for mid east invasions was for the cabal to take possession of ancient technology ... star-gates , inter-dimensional portals etc.
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Those behind this are group called the NWO (New World Order), also known as the cabal , the controllers , the Illuminati. They are mostly Jewish and wan't to bring chaos and destruction on the world as they desperately try to cling to power ...

So they first unjustly attack muslim countries to create a refugee crisis, and then guilty europeans feel the refugees should be allowed into their countries ...

It's only a few % of wealthy jews that are behind this , and they don't care if this causes problems for ordinary jews...

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The video in post 1 is no longer available , so we'll never know what it was all about (never a good idea to just link to a video with no explanation) ..

We have it on good authority that one of the main reason for mid east invasions was for the cabal to take possession of ancient technology ... star-gates , inter-dimensional portals etc.

The orchestration is almost self protecting though, because in reality we have to stop the Muslims because they will kill us white folks "chop the head" unless we make salah and praise their stupid god.
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The orchestration is almost self protecting though, because in reality we have to stop the Muslims because they will kill us white folks "chop the head" unless we make salah and praise their stupid god.
I agree it can look pretty scary ....I'm not sure which country you live in , all you can do is lobby to close the borders , leave the EU... and explain to people why this is happening

On the bright side figures show that around 80% migrants are male , so the majority of these will not find a partner and will not leave children ....Most are not extremists and with each passing year they become part of the host country and islam is slowly forgotten...
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I agree it can look pretty scary ....I'm not sure which country you live in , all you can do is lobby to close the borders , leave the EU... and explain to people why this is happening

On the bright side figures show that around 80% migrants are male , so the majority of these will not find a partner and will not leave children ....Most are not extremists and with each passing year they become part of the host country and islam is slowly forgotten...
So why would the Jews wish to send Muslims for asylum in the Christian World? Do you have further material where there is evidence that the Jews have created some sort of paradigm to destroy christian nations by pretending that there are issues in Iraq and Afghanistan, thus sending all the well bodied Christian men to war in the middle east while Muslim men come and rape all the christian women in the christian nations on the basis that they need asylum from some "war" going on?

This is just so prevalent in America, Europe, Russia and Ukraine, I see it all the time and I do not understand how the Jews did it? Please Clarify.
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So why would the Jews wish to send Muslims for asylum in the Christian World? Do you have further material where there is evidence that the Jews have created some sort of paradigm to destroy christian nations .....
This has all been covered in many treads here ...george sorros ...merkle ...may ...all jewish and under rothshild direction ...I don't feel inclined to go through it all again ....

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