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Old 21-02-2008, 12:10 PM   #801
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once you see things like emotiv and neurosky helments and mix it with persingers god helmet and TMS device then add a microwave hearing effect and nasa subvocals you get idea what a TI is experiencing and can imagine the different effects they can do to a target.You have also got to remember that medical,civy street and the games industry don`t need to do this at distance or in a covert way, only the militry and goverment agencies would what that capability and have the means to do so.Maybe the comunications/media industry i.e mobile phones will be look at this technology in the near future, Infact I think a resent MOD think tank believied by the year 2030 media will be beamed stright to our brains and mentioned hivied minds.
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Old 21-02-2008, 12:13 PM   #802
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that is right 700 agencies have the power to survey us in one form or another....

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Old 21-02-2008, 12:41 PM   #803
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Pentagon report investigated lasers that put voices in your head
http://www.physorg.com/news122567894.html
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The report explained several types of non-lethal laser applications, including microwave hearing, disrupted neural control, and microwave heating. For the first type, short pulses of RF energy (2450 MHz) can generate a pressure wave in solids and liquids. When exposed to pulsed RF energy, humans experience the immediate sensation of "microwave hearing" - sounds that may include buzzing, ticking, hissing, or knocking that originate within the head.
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Putting voices in people´s heads could cause what the report calls "psychologically devastating" effects. The technology might even allow for communicating with an individual hostage surrounded by captors, although this would require "extreme directional specificity."
Funny that it mentioned the hostage situation , The perps when they were trying to convince me they were the good guys and the technology was for good perpopes and I was interfereing with it,it was my fault and every else on the system was needed and I was making them move around me, and I should move or do the right thing (kill myself) so they could save lifes,Total bullshit, if they can target you personaly then they can untarget you,what happens when the so called other user move around,change jobs,end there shift or retire.
we decuissed the hostage situation and at first you might think it would be a good thing, but unless your were familiar with microwave hearing you might freak out and behave strange or became a have ago hero and make the situation worse.
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Old 21-02-2008, 02:53 PM   #804
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also the same year when this satement was made

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Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen, Defense Viewpoint, December 1, 1998

"One can envision the development of electromagnetic energy sources, the output of which can be pulsed, shaped, and focused, that can couple with the human body in a fashion that will allow one to prevent voluntary muscular movements, control emotions (and thus actions), produce sleep, transmit suggestions, interfere with both short-term and long-term memory, produce an experience set, and delete an experience set. It would also appear possible to create high fidelity speech in the human body, raising the possibility of covert suggestion and psychological direction...Thus, it may be possible to 'talk' to selected adversaries in a fashion that would be most disturbing to them."
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Old 22-02-2008, 10:56 AM   #805
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proof they are using emf


https://mdtt.hood.army.mil/capabilit.../MoutSites.pdf


http://www.osti.gov/bridge/servlets/...e/10143021.pdf



http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/hhe/reports...-0113-2644.pdf



http://www.bhs.idaho.gov/bhslibrary/lcar.pdf

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Old 25-02-2008, 09:59 AM   #806
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Pro-anorexia site clampdown urged
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Cheadle MP Mark Hunter has asked the government to promote awareness of the dangers of such websites.
I think this could be a way of censoring the internet, pass a new law to ban sites that a pro anorexia, or pro suicde witch would get public aproval and see as a good thing,but could be used agaist other sites that my be in conflic with the goverment backed medical advice.

Please I do not wanting a debate about anorexia, but I notice a few news articles about internet censoring and people posting/web sites about alternitves to the medical proffesion witch mind control & electronic harrassment would fall under , they don`t reconinizes it or daiginosie it,rather they miss daiginosie it and call it a mental illness, so there medicines are no good they are only 30%-50% effective if they are correctly daiginosie in the first place, but the point is us TI`s could be in trouble giving TI victims advice and tips on not taking meds from thier doctors.
We know the psychiatry are trying to make out that mind control & electronic harrassment is a social network spreading a parnoid dulison.
Also that the goverment has tried to change the mental health acts
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When hospital is a prisonThe government wants to change the Mental Health Act so that some persistent offenders can be locked away without charge. Ben Goldacre says it is worrying when diagnosing illness is politically motivated

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I know from experience that there are occasions, regrettably, when I need to admit someone to a psychiatric ward against their will. I am comfortable doing that, because I work in a culture where it is only done in the patient's best interests, and there are checks and balances to prevent a compulsory admission being done inappropriately. But I am well aware that the powers given to psychiatry are open to abuse, and that in Soviet Russia, for example, they were horrifically abused.

Now, in an atmosphere of tabloid panic about the dangers posed by persistently violent psychopaths, the government is proposing a change in the Mental Health Act, against the prevailing opinion of almost all psychiatrists and mental-health interest groups. Now they want us to lock up the kind of persistent, remorseless offenders who most psychiatrists, to put it crudely, would see as more bad than mad, and who are often considered to be incurable.

There has always been an argument in psychiatry about whether disorders of personality should have the same status as mental illnesses such as schizophrenia or manic depression. A personality disorder is a lifelong and ingrained pattern of maladaptive behaviours that are damaging to the individual or others around them. There are many more types of personality disorder defined in the diagnostic manuals than simply the antisocial: anxious-avoidant, borderline, dependent, histrionic, narcissistic, obsessive, paranoid and so on.

The traits include aggression, alcohol and substance misuse, anxiety, depression, deliberate self-harm, eating disorders, suspiciousness, preoccupation with routine, displaying a lack of emotion or remorse, hypersensitivity to criticism, constantly seeking approval, dependence on others, deceitfulness, bullying and disregard for others.

A diagnosis usually has to include at least three traits or behaviours, but personality disorder is a fairly flexible category, and could be broadly applied. When you're at medical school studying psychiatry and they teach you about personality disorder, you all sit in the pub afterwards discussing which ones your friends and ex-partners have got. That's because they're all about the kind of person you are, and changing someone's personality is a very difficult business. We are pretty good on schizophrenia or depression, but there's often not a lot that psychiatrists can do for people with personality disorders.

The government is unhappy with this, particularly when it comes to people with antisocial personality disorder. These are often inveterate and remorseless criminals, such as Michael Stone, who in 1996 murdered Lin Russell and her six-year-old daughter Megan. He had been left at large to commit the crime because his antisocial personality disorder was considered untreatable, so he could not be detained under the Mental Health Act.

Generally, people like this end up in the prison system because they keep committing crimes and they keep getting caught. But sometimes they are at large, even though everyone knows they are a danger, because they've been recently released from prison, or because they've not been caught.

Now the government wants psychiatrists to start impounding them on grounds of risk alone. They have rewritten the Mental Health Act completely, putting the emphasis on risk first and patients second, and producing a bill which reads like a piece of public-order legislation. They want psychiatrists to lock up these people - with no criminal charge, mind - on the grounds that they might commit a crime later.

Throughout the whole process there has been a feeling of remarkable disregard for the opinions of psychiatrists. The most bizarre move came in 1999 when, in a green paper, the government took it upon itself to invent a psychiatric diagnosis: "dangerous and severe personality disorder" (DSPD), referring to people with severe personality disorders who pose a serious risk to the public. They even managed to come up with a figure for the number of people currently in the prison system who had this disorder: 1,422. An impressively precise figure for their own psychiatric diagnosis, which had no diagnostic criteria, no legal or psychiatric grounding, and almost no research base.

When politicians start inventing psychiatric diagnoses, I get nervous. And when they start defining mental illnesses by the effects that the individual has on our society, rather than the problems of the patient, I start thinking about Soviet Russia.

I'm not claiming that locking up persistently violent criminals without charge on the grounds that they might offend later is as bad as locking up political subversives. What I am saying is that the political motive is the same. Plenty of political subversives were sent to Stalin's labour camps; they were only given psychiatric diagnoses and shipped off to the secure hospitals, such as the famous and dreaded Serbsky Institute, when they represented an embarrassment to the state.

The first famous case of political abuse in Soviet psychiatry was Major-General Grigorenko, a senior political figure who turned his back on the system, and became interested in the persecution of the Crimean Tartars by Stalin, to the point of acting as a character witness in their trials. Rather than send him to prison, Stalin preferred to have him declared insane and committed to Serbsky. Here, doctors concluded that he was suffering from a "pathological paranoid development of the personality with the presence of reformist ideas". The die was cast.

The attempts by Soviet psychiatrists to render criminal subversive acts psychiatric were so ham-fisted they were almost comical. Among their symptoms of schizophrenia were "reformist delusions: a belief that an improvement in social conditions can be achieved only through the revision of people's attitudes, in accordance with the individual's own ideas for the transformation of reality"; and "litigation mania: a conviction, which does not have any basis in fact, that the individual's own rights as a human being are being violated and flouted". Textbooks and manuals abounded with astonishing quotes: "Ideas for truth and justice most commonly arise in personalities with a paranoid structure."

Similarly, an official Chinese encyclopaedia on police work from 1990 lists the three types of people to be taken into police psychiatric custody. One category was defined as "those commonly known as 'political maniacs', who shout reactionary slogans, write reactionary banners and reactionary letters, make anti-government speeches in public, and express opinions on important domestic and international affairs."

I am not worried about remorseless and unremitting criminals being dealt with very robustly, but I'm not sure that, for many of them, medication should play any part. It is appropriate that someone who is acutely mentally ill, who is agitated and distressed and injuring themselves and other people, is sedated. But the same may not be true for persistent offenders.

Relentlessly violent people are a problem, but they are not necessarily a psychiatric one. Professor Lunts, a Soviet psychiatrist, claimed that any criminal act, by virtue of its criminality and deviation from social norms alone, merited a psychiatric approach. He justified his claim by saying that under socialist conditions there were no social causes for crime; and more than that, it was only under capitalism that we could observe "social disharmony" leading to crime. Perhaps part of the problem is that neither we nor the Soviets ever wanted to admit the significant role that social factors play in deviant behaviour, and so to save ourselves the embarrassment, we have pathologised it.

Whatever its motivation, the problems of the bill go beyond the politicisation of psychiatry, because its proposals are simply impractical. Research at the Maudsley hospital in London, one of the country's leading psychiatric research institutes, shows that - even with the best predictive tools in the world - you have to lock up six potential offenders (without criminal charge) to prevent one person committing a crime.

And not only does the bill give scant mention of extra resources to serve these new customers - it also diverts them from patient care, which then suffers. "It's a ludicrous aberration, dreamed up by the Home Office, that diverts money from psychiatry into so-called security," says John Gunn, professor of forensic psychiatry at the Maudsley. "They interfere with treatment programmes in secure units, and divert staff from groups and therapeutic interventions into security duties, and limit access to members of the opposite sex and children, making things less safe in the long run."

Governments interfering with psychiatry and inventing their own diagnoses is a dangerous and wrong-headed business. Using psychiatry as an agent of social control is unacceptable. We may have something to offer the rehabilitation of relentless and remorselessly violent offenders. But if you want jailers, you can say so openly, and you can pay for them.

· Ben Goldacre is a psychiatrist working in London.
I think us victims in the TI comunity should consider how we present or information,lets not be foolish and spam sites/forums without considering if we are falling into a trap set up to censor/ban/discredit our information.
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Old 25-02-2008, 12:33 PM   #807
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We should stop seeing "psychiatry" and "mental health" as the enemy,clearly in our case they are being used by the perportartors of mind control & electronic harrassment as a dumping ground used to cover up thier work.
I know most of us have had a bitter experience when dealing with "psychiatry" and "mental health" and its easy to blame them for our abuse and persacution,I have no daught that there are members in the "psychiatry" and "mental health" that are activly working with perportartors ether directly or indirectly, but the whole mental health system works agaist us anyway, so even good well meaning people can be seen to working agaist us when infact they are only doing there duty.
We need to clearly move what happens to us away from mental health and under control of psychiatry, Even if we could win them over and they believe us , what can they do, not much apart from saying "this person not mentally ill and some outside infulence is effecting there behaviour and mentaly wellness" we need to look elsewere to prove this is happning to us, maybe neuroscientists,people knolowable in EMF ect,"psychiatry" and "mental health" have not the equipment,training or willingness to deal with this we are flogging a dead horse here.

If we think off the police as getting crimals of the street
then psychiatist are the mental & behaviour police.
We are wasting our time clashing with them,they will bash us with batons and tir gas and stop us getting anywere.
We need to persuede them and others that its not a mental health issue after all it is there resources & time being used to cover this up, as the previous article says
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When I hear the phrase "political psychiatric diagnosis", I start thinking about Soviet dissidents, dosed up on thioridazine, being physically restrained on lock-up wards. I like to think I would have had nothing to do with that kind of business, because I went into psychiatry to help people, not to be a jailer.
So we might find support and help with some of the better ones.
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Dr Thomas Szasz on Psychiatry


Psychiatry the fraud


Psychiatry EXPOSED!
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Darpa Pursues Neuroscience To Enhance Analyst, Soldier Performance
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The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (Darpa) is researching how computers reading brain waves may one day speed up the ways intelligence analysts detect targets in satellite images and also alert platoon leaders when soldiers are losing situational awareness.

This may sound like a scenario out of the science fiction movie 2001: A Space Odyssey, in which a computer named Hal overrides instructions from an astronaut to take control of a spaceship. But in the Darpa experiments, the computer is just a tool that processes brain waves, of which the human being isn’t even aware, and turns them into actionable information.

Amy Kruse, the Darpa program manager for these projects, has a doctorate in neuroscience from the University of Illinois. She moved to Washington after graduation and became a technical consultant to the director of Darpa. The Defense Dept.’s interest in making operational use of neuroscience proved to be a great opportunity, and she says the research efforts she is now leading would not be done anywhere else.

In a summary of her programs at the annual DarpaTech conference in 2005, Kruse spelled out the importance of the work: “The operational environment will continue to become more crowded with information, so it is clear that our war fighters must be able to manage complex situations with faster, more accurate and more concentrated cognitive capabilities. This means that issues such as cognitive overload, fatigue and decision-making under stress are fast becoming crucial factors in performance.”

The latest project Kruse has been working on is the Neurotechnology for Intelligence Analysts (NIA) program. This effort builds on an earlier one titled Augmentated Cognition, or AugCog. One of the leading contractors on both efforts has been Honeywell.

Under a $4-million, multiphase contract, the company has been developing what it calls the Honeywell Image Triage System (HITS) for Darpa. Bob Smith, vice president for advanced technology at Honeywell Aerospace, explains that HITS takes a satellite image and breaks it up into smaller image “chips” that can be shown to an intelligence analyst like flash cards at a rate of 5-20 images per second.

The analyst’s brain is treated as a sensor: Electrical activity it produces is recorded from electrodes placed on the scalp, the same way electroencephalography (EEG) is used in hospitals to monitor brain activity. Then, when the analyst looks at one of the images flashing by, a scalp plot shows when there is increased brain activity.

As images flash by, the analyst is asked to look for a target such as an airplane. After viewing about 50 of the smaller images (chips), he is asked if he saw an airplane—and he may answer “no.” But digital signal processing of the brain wave activity reveals that, in fact, he did see an airplane on slide 32.

“This process allows us to do triage on large amounts of visual information we get from different soruces and improve an analyst’s ability to go through a large amount of imagery,” says Smith. In fact, the analyst can do the job 5-7 times faster using the triage system than unaided. This is because the triage system picks up brain waves showing recognition of a target even before the human analyst is cognizant he has spotted it.

Smith says it is the equivalent of a person seeing something “out of the corner of his eye.”

The NIA project aims to help the intelligence community deal with the growing problem of having an enormous amount of “visual media” flowing in for review. It is currently taking the analysts too long to turn the data into usable information that can be acted on by decision-makers and war fighters.

Smith says when researchers at Honeywell first told him about how the triage system would work, he doubted it was feasible. But the company took a multidisciplinary approach to the problem—combining the know-how of psychologists who focus on human factors, electrical and mechanical engineers and even avionics specialists who know signal-processing. Honeywell Aerospace is increasingly taking this sort of multipronged approach to a variety of research problems.

In fact, the effort “builds on what we have been doing in human factors in avionics for a long time,” says Smith, and relies on the company’s understanding of the man-machine interface.

Now that reading brain waves has been shown to work, the aim is to optimize it for use by a large population of analysts and at an accuracy rate that meets the needs of the intelligence agencies. The goal is to cut the time it takes an expert analyst to review imagery to a matter of 10 min. from the current 1 hr. An inexperienced analyst might improve his review time on the same material to 1 hr. from 6 hr.

Kruse says the NIA project found that sorting through 5-10 images per second is possible. There were eight contractors participating in phase one, and phase two is just beginning with three teams led by Teledyne Scientific and Imaging, Columbia University and Honeywell.

The target for phase three is a prototype designed for use by an intelligence agency. This “customer” could keep the prototype and try it out after the research is completed. The technology is nearly ready for operational use and there is a big incentive to get it into the field because it solves a problem analysts face every day.

Kruse says NIA built on the earlier AugCog research, which involved several phases and four contracting teams paired with four different military services. Then-DaimlerChrysler worked with the U.S. Marine Corps, Lockheed Martin with the Navy, Boeing with the Air Force and Honeywell with the Army. Honeywell’s team included 11 university and industry partners.

Smith says Honeywell equipped infantry soldiers with brain and physiological sensors and monitored the soldiers during field training exercises at the Army’s Aberdeen Proving Ground. The brain sensors were an EEG and a “functional near-infrared” sensor to monitor activity in the frontal lobe. The physiological sensors included ones for the heart (electrocardiogram) and eyes. The data was used to determine workload, state of cognitive activity and the soldier’s level of attentiveness at a particular time.

The point is that in combat, when a soldier is under stress and trying to take in too much information at one time, he can find himself in a situation where “tunnel vision” occurs. In a training situation, for example, the soldier may be looking for the enemy over a hill while being subjected to simulated fire. Then an explosion occurs nearby. Meanwhile, the platoon commander is yelling at the soldier to turn right and to move away from his current location. “But [the soldier] is focused on the enemy and is not hearing his commander due to information overload,” Smith says.

In the demonstration, it was shown that soldiers could be instrumented with a wireless computer to help them and their commander manage information overload. Knowing that a soldier is no longer absorbing additional data may suggest to the platoon leader that he shouldn’t give that person a key task during an attack.

Kruse says in AugCog, DaimlerChrysler worked with the Marines on a problem involving a team driving a vehicle, Lockheed Martin worked with the Navy on an Aegis weapon system simulation and Boeing worked with the Air Force on a single operator involved in mission planning for an unmanned aerial vehicle formation.

The AugCog program is completed, but Smith says he thinks it will be 5‑10 years before the sort of technology demonstrated for Darpa is ready for operational use.

Kruse sees a bright future for AugCog and NIA types of technology in the future. She says the interest in the operational use of neuroscience techniques is steadily increasing in the Defense Dept. and in the armed services. Technical challenges must be surmounted for these systems to reach operational use, but there is no question that the signals derived will have utility.


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See this starts to make sense when you relizise a TI is stessed out,fearfull of there life,in Fight or flight mode a lot of times,woundring whats next,will they survive,trying to do simple task, mental cope with the situation.Do you think somebody has gone to all the trouble to monitor your brain activity for no reason or as some TI`s think some sick sort of entertainment,I know a lot of TI`s think its somebody they know i.e ex boss they fell out with, is sat there watching your demise and getting a kick out of it,because he is a "mason" and his buddies in charge of the local mental health, but thats what the perpotraitors want you to believe happning so
A) you look like you have lost the plot
B) You make acusing remarks and stuff
C) You fall out with local people and create more conflic and harrasment towards yourself
D) You sound dulision and parinod when you try and explain this
E) You spread disinformation and camaflage for the real perptraitors
F) you discredit yourself, and any future remarks you make as you get informed" you said last month it was jo across the road now its the goverment!!!"

It could well be whats happened to you has gone on to why you are being targeted,probadly more to do what you have not done I.e in postion of authorty,wealth or fame or other trusted member of socity.
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Prozac, used by 40m people, does not work say scientists
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Prozac, the bestselling antidepressant taken by 40 million people worldwide, does not work and nor do similar drugs in the same class, according to a major review released today.

The study examined all available data on the drugs, including results from clinical trials that the manufacturers chose not to publish at the time. The trials compared the effect on patients taking the drugs with those given a placebo or sugar pill.

When all the data was pulled together, it appeared that patients had improved - but those on placebo improved just as much as those on the drugs.

The only exception is in the most severely depressed patients, according to the authors - Prof Irving Kirsch from the department of psychology at Hull University and colleagues in the US and Canada. But that is probably because the placebo stopped working so well, they say, rather than the drugs having worked better.

"Given these results, there seems little reason to prescribe antidepressant medication to any but the most severely depressed patients, unless alternative treatments have failed," says Kirsch. "This study raises serious issues that need to be addressed surrounding drug licensing and how drug trial data is reported."

The paper, published today in the journal PLoS (Public Library of Science) Medicine, is likely to have a significant impact on the prescribing of the drugs. The National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (Nice) already recommends that counselling should be tried before doctors prescribe antidepressants. Kirsch, who was one of the consultants for the guidelines, says the new analysis "would suggest that the prescription of antidepressant medications might be restricted even more".

The review breaks new ground because Kirsch and his colleagues have obtained for the first time what they believe is a full set of trial data for four antidepressants.

They requested the full data under freedom of information rules from the Food and Drug Administration, which licenses medicines in the US and requires all data when it makes a decision.

The pattern they saw from the trial results of fluoxetine (Prozac), paroxetine (Seroxat), venlafaxine (Effexor) and nefazodone (Serzone) was consistent. "Using complete data sets (including unpublished data) and a substantially larger data set of this type than has been previously reported, we find the overall effect of new-generation antidepressant medication is below recommended criteria for clinical significance," they write.

Two more frequently prescribed antidepressants were omitted from the study because scientists were unable to obtain all the data.

Concerns have been raised in recent years about the side-effects of this class of antidepressant. Evidence that they could prompt some young people to consider suicide led to a warning to doctors not to prescribe them for the under-18s - with the exception of Prozac, which was considered more effective than the rest.

In adults, however, the depression-beating benefits were thought to outweigh the risks. Since its launch in the US in 1988, some 40 million people have taken Prozac, earning tens of billions of dollars for the manufacturer, Eli Lilly. Although the patent lapsed in 2001, fluoxetine continues to make the company money - it is now the active ingredient in Sarafem, a pill sold by Lilly for premenstrual syndrome.

Eli Lilly was defiant last night. "Extensive scientific and medical experience has demonstrated that fluoxetine is an effective antidepressant," it said in a statement. "Since its discovery in 1972, fluoxetine has become one of the world's most-studied medicines. Lilly is proud of the difference fluoxetine has made to millions of people living with depression."

A spokesman for GlaxoSmithKline, which makes Seroxat, said the authors had failed to acknowledge the "very positive" benefits of the treatment and their conclusions were "at odds with what has been seen in actual clinical practice".

He added: "This analysis has only examined a small subset of the total data available while regulatory bodies around the world have conducted extensive reviews and evaluations of all the data available, and this one study should not be used to cause unnecessary alarm and concern for patients."
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Here's mainstream media admitting to there being CIA funded MKULTRA projects in Canada!!!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0F23LNifx8M -- part 1
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9iIcRdi8Ar8 -- part 2
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EvcU-jsMnTQ -- part 3
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ECCKJxD2InM -- part 4
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Anyway - I now have contacted a barrister and solicitor - both recognise the problem and believe it happens. Inclusive of e-harassment - now what do you say to that.....? THEY KNOW IT HAPPENS. ITS REAL......
I hope they can help you,I still think you will have a hard job proving this,also are you sure the people the you accuse are there real perpotraitors it could backfire on you if they are not or your evidence does not stand up in a court of law.


I am still along way off from even approching a barrister and solicitor about this,still getting my head around this, gathering evidence, One thing proving its possible and happens ,another proving it happends to you!!
Remember its not the truth that maters in court but what you can prove/disprove big difference.
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Alan Yentob asks why self-help books are so popular. He sets out to learn from author Susan Jeffers, and motivator to the stars Anthony Robbins.

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Susan Jeffers = Feel the fear and do it anyway?

hasnt she got something to do with the secret?

Antony Robbins = NAC, extreme form of NLP = Pavlovian conditioning aka classic conditioning....rapid change basically

Self help books are usually part of the human potential movements aka CULTS, researched this massively. Know which books belong to which group.

Deca what is your point?

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I am still along way off from even approching a barrister and solicitor about this,still getting my head around this, gathering evidence, One thing proving its possible and happens ,another proving it happends to you!!
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I thought it was a good program,I missed the begain. There was I guy on there that survived the holocust in Auschwitz and he learned to have a positive/survival attatuid, thought it might be usefull.

I know you hate self-help kind of thing and have had a bitter experience of them but to others there might be some help and possitve techniques.

If information is truthfull and good who cares if its come from a source/group that has a bad side. You don`t have to believe everything they say.Have a balance view,choice what you need.
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Hopefully I will get my hands on a neurosky or Emotiv, think it might be an idea to link it to a pc withsome headphones(bone conduction perferaby) and have a program running witch detects different thoughts, movments then triggers and audio response back to the user speach & maybe anyoing sounds.Might even sample and few famous peoples voices or use voice morphing,voice changing just for fun.

Now people might understand what TI`s are suffering,and how TI`s are duped into believing ther perptrotiors using microwave hearing are famous people or people they know.
would be easy for the perptrotiors to record a phone conversation and use it in a voice morphing program!!!
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Former SAS man condemns British role in torture tactics
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Advertising guide License/buy our content About this articleClose This article appeared in the Guardian on Tuesday February 26 2008 on p9 of the UK news section. It was last updated at 00:01 on February 26 2008. Hundreds of Iraqis and Afghans captured by British and American special forces were rendered to prisons where they faced torture, a former SAS soldier said yesterday. Ben Griffin said individuals detained by SAS troops in a joint UK-US special forces taskforce had ended up in interrogation centres in Iraq, including the notorious Abu Ghraib prison, and in Afghanistan, as well as Guantánamo Bay.

Griffin, 29, left the British army last year after three months in Baghdad, saying he disagreed with the "illegal" tactics of US troops. While ministers had stated their wish that the Guantánamo Bay camp should be closed, they had been silent over prisons in Iraq and Afghanistan, he said. He added: "These secretive prisons are part of a global network in which individuals face torture and are held indefinitely without charge. All of this is in direct contravention of the Geneva conventions, international law and the UN convention against torture."

Referring to the government's admission last week that two US rendition flights containing terror suspects had landed at the British territory of Diego Garcia, Griffin said the use of British territory and airspace "pales into insignificance in light of the fact that it has been British soldiers detaining the victims of extraordinary rendition in the first place".

He told a Stop the War Coalition press conference in London that since the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001, UK special forces had operated within a joint US-UK taskforce that had been responsible for the detention of "hundreds if not thousands of individuals in Afghanistan and Iraq". The primary mission of the taskforce in Iraq was to kill or capture "high-value targets". However, the taskforce often detained non-combatants.

He said he had not himself witnessed torture or mistreatment. But he added: "I have no doubt in my mind that non-combatants I personally detained were handed over to the Americans and subsequently tortured."

He continued: "It is only since I have left the army [and] I have read the Geneva Convention and the UN Convention on Torture, that I realised that we have broken so many of these conventions and treaties in Iraq."

He said three fellow soldiers had told him on separate occasions that they had witnessed the interrogation of two detainees in Iraq using "partial drowning and an electric cattle prod". Ministers must have been briefed on the activities of the taskforce and should be charged with breach of conventions protecting individuals from torture, he added.

The Ministry of Defence said yesterday it did not comment on the activities of special forces. However, senior army officers and parliament's security and intelligence committee have expressed concern about ignorance among British troops about both national and international law covering the treatment of prisoners.
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Hmmm if you take the neurosky Algorthyms and box of tricks then use one off thease sensors
Remote control brain sensor
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Scientists have developed a sensor that can record brainwaves without the need for electrodes to be inserted into the brain or even placed on the scalp.
They believe the new sensor will lead to major advances in the collection and display of electrical information from the brain - and could even be used to control machines in a more effective way than is currently possible.
See remote mind reading!!!!

oh nasa has already thoughtn about that
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If you think that security measures at the airport have already reached extremes, hold on to your hat. NASA confirms that the agency is working on developing brain-monitoring devices that would screen passengers on their way through security and use the activity the measure in their brain to determine whether or not that person might be a threat on the aircraft.

The plan is to adapt space technology and install devices that would be able to receive and analyze brain-wave and heartbeat patterns. Ideally, this would be done as they pass through a security checkpoint, which would "snap a picture" of the information as they pass through it. The data would then be fed into computerized programs designed to "detect passengers who potentially might pose a threat," according to briefing documents obtained by The Washington Times.

NASA's goal is to use "noninvasive neuro-electric sensors" that would collect tiny electrical signals that all brains and hearts emit. Computers would apply statistical algorithms to correlate physiologic patterns with computerized data on travel routines, criminal background and credit information from "hundreds to thousands of data sources," NASA documents say.

The notion has raised privacy concerns. Mihir Kshirsagar of the Electronic Privacy Information Center says such technology would only add to airport-security chaos. "A lot of people's fear of flying would send those meters off the chart. Are they going to pull all those people aside?"

The organization obtained documents July 31, the product of a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit against the Transportation Security Administration, and offered the documents to the Washington Times.

Mr. Kshirsagar's organization is concerned about enhancements already being added to the Computer-Aided Passenger Pre-Screening (CAPPS) system. Data from sensing machines are intended to be added to that mix, he told the Times.

Herb Schlickenmaier is a research manager at NASA. Speaking to the newspaper, he confirmed that the test proposal being negotiated with Northwest Airlines is one of four planned airline security projects that his agency is currently involved in. "There are baby steps for us to walk through before we can make any pronouncements," says Mr. Schlickenmaier, the Washington official overseeing scientists who briefed Northwest Airlines on the plan. He likened the proposal to a super lie detector that would also measure pulse rate, body temperature, eye-flicker rate and other biometric aspects sensed remotely.

Though adding mind reading to screening remains theoretical, Mr. Schlickenmaier says, he confirms that NASA has a goal of measuring brain waves and heartbeat rates of airline passengers as they pass screening machines. This has raised concerns that using noninvasive procedures is merely a first step.

Private researchers say reliable EEG brain waves are usually measurable only by machines whose sensors touch the head, sometimes in a "thinking cap" device. "To say I can take that cap off and put sensors in a doorjamb, and as the passenger starts walking through [to allow me to say] that they are a threat or not, is at this point a future application," Mr. Schlickenmaier said in an interview.

"Can I build a sensor that can move off of the head and still detect the EEG?" asks Mr. Schlickenmaier, who led NASA's development of airborne wind-shear detectors 20 years ago. "If I can do that, and I don't know that right now, can I package it and [then] say 'we can do this', or 'no we can't?' We are going to look at this question. Can this be done? Is the physics possible?"

Two physics professors who are familiar with brain-wave research questioned how the proposed testing would be feasible or reliable for mass screenings. They are not affiliated with NASA, and expressed their concerns to the Washington Times as follows: "What they're saying they would do has not been done, even wired in," says a national authority on neuro-electric sensing, who asked not to be identified. He called NASA's goal "pretty far out."

Both professors also raised privacy concerns. NASA itself admits that their concerns do have merit. "Screening systems must address privacy and 'Big Brother' issues to the extent possible," a NASA briefing paper, presented at a two-day meeting at Northwest Airlines headquarters in St. Paul, Minn., acknowledges. Last year, the Supreme Court ruled unconstitutional police efforts to use noninvasive "sense-enhancing technology" that is not in general public use in order to collect data otherwise unobtainable without a warrant. However, the high court consistently exempts airports and border posts from most Fourth Amendment restrictions on searches.

"We're getting closer to reading minds than you might suppose," says Robert Park, a physics professor at the University of Maryland and spokesman for the American Physical Society. "It does make me uncomfortable. That's the limit of privacy invasion. You can't go further than that."

"We're close to the point where they can tell to an extent what you're thinking about by which part of the brain is activated, which is close to reading your mind. It would be terribly complicated to try to build a device that would read your mind as you walk by."

He calls the idea plausible but frightening. At the Northwest Airlines session conducted Dec. 10-11, nine scientists and managers from NASA Ames Research Center at Moffett Field, Calif., proposed a "pilot test" of the Aviation Security Reporting System. NASA also requested that the airline turn over all of its computerized passenger data for July, August and September 2001 to incorporate in NASA's "passenger-screening test bed" that uses "threat-assessment software" to analyze such data, biometric facial recognition and "neuro-electric sensing."

Northwest officials would not comment. Published scientific reports show NASA researcher Alan Pope, at NASA Langley Research Center in Hampton, Va., produced a system to alert pilots or astronauts who daydream or "zone out" for as few as five seconds.

One of the painful lessons learned from the attacks of September 11th is that there are potentially fatal flaws in the CAPPS system. They did dry runs that show whether a specific terrorist is likely to be identified as a threat. Those pulled out for special checking could be replaced by others who do not raise suspicions.

The September 11 hijackers cleared security under their own names, even though nine of them were pulled aside for extra attention.
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