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Old 18-07-2012, 04:24 AM   #21
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this is absolute bullshit.
i have lost more than a dozen friends over the years, who died of aids, after being found hiv positive.
i have watched them die.
i wish it was a hoax and millions had not died of it.

[SIZE="3"]bikerdrugged, fuck your opinion!!! You don't like it - go to hell! The AIDS is a hoax and everything is falling from zionist hands.[/SIZE]




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Old 18-07-2012, 04:37 AM   #22
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[SIZE="3"]bikerdrugged, fuck your opinion!!! You don't like it - go to hell! The AIDS is a hoax and everything is falling from zionist hands.[/SIZE]



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my, what a rude, crass and obviously, truly ignorant individual.
you haven't a clue what you are talking about.

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Old 18-07-2012, 05:22 AM   #23
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[SIZE="3"]bikerdrugged, fuck your opinion!!! You don't like it - go to hell! The AIDS is a hoax and everything is falling from zionist hands.[/SIZE]



How are you planning to prove that?
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Old 18-07-2012, 03:16 PM   #24
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How are you planning to prove that?
some random internet quack says it is.
and jane burgermeister says so.
must be true.....right?

i just imagined many dead friends....
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Old 18-07-2012, 06:30 PM   #25
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AIDS is real. HIV is the hoax. AIDS is not a communicable disesase. It is exactly what it says it is, an acquired immune deficiency and can can be caused by any number of things.
this.

AIDS just means your immune system is supressed, this can be caused by many things

1. Malnutrition
2. Drug use
3. Vaccines


There is no proof that HIV causes AIDS, there are many people with HIV who never get AIDS, and there are also many people without HIV who do get AIDS, not to mention, doesn't anybody find it suspicious that the so called HIV drugs just happen to have the same side effects as the problem they are supposed to be treating. Does that make any sense whatsoever ?

I am going to take medicine which causes immune deficiency to remedy a disease which causes immune deficiency. HUH ?
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Old 23-07-2012, 12:26 AM   #26
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this.

There is no proof that HIV causes AIDS,
What would you consider proof?

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there are many people with HIV who never get AIDS, and there are also many people without HIV who do get AIDS.
Many? I am aware that there are 'carriers' who have some configuration of genes/cells which makes them not succumb to HIV, or to take very long, but your average person can't rely on having that setup.

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not to mention, doesn't anybody find it suspicious that the so called HIV drugs just happen to have the same side effects as the problem they are supposed to be treating. Does that make any sense whatsoever ?

I am going to take medicine which causes immune deficiency to remedy a disease which causes immune deficiency. HUH ?
This is...entirely wrong. The whole point of HIV medication is to help the immune system, indeed one of the markers for HIV control in a patient is their CD4 (white cell) count. I'm not saying that in some patients there might be odd side-effects, but it's certainly not a common feature.
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Old 23-07-2012, 12:42 AM   #27
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bikerdrugged, fuck your opinion!!! You don't like it - go to hell!
very studied response.
your scholarship shows.

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Old 23-07-2012, 01:00 AM   #28
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Winegums:

In a thread called Where is the evidence for 'HIV'/'AIDS'? you made a post with this single link in it:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6...?dopt=Abstract

I explained at the time that this paper has been shown to be fraudulent; you can read about it here:

http://www.fearoftheinvisible.com/ho...me-to-be-fixed
http://www.fearoftheinvisible.com/fr...rch-background

I point this out because you ask above what another poster would consider proof. Yet you offer papers that have been demonstrated to be fraudulent. Kary Mullis, winner of the Nobel Prize for chemistry in 1993, describes the problems he had when he tried to find evidence for the 'HIV'/'AIDS' hypothesis in the first six minutes of this video:


So, can I ask you, do you think we ought to believe 'HIV' causes 'AIDS' and, if so, why?
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Old 23-07-2012, 01:17 AM   #29
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Old 24-07-2012, 09:12 AM   #30
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What great links you provide..... said no-one...... ever.

You'll be telling us quackwatch is factual too next....wait a minute....you have done for years.... ha!
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Old 24-07-2012, 09:15 AM   #31
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The whole point of HIV medication is to help the immune system,
WRONG !!!

The whole point of medication is to make shit loads of $£$£$£$£$£ from human suffering,
and to further weaken and eventually kill the patient.

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indeed one of the markers for HIV control in a patient is their CD4 (white cell) count. I'm not saying that in some patients there might be odd side-effects, but it's certainly not a common feature.
'odd side effects' -- erm yeh....death mainly.

You really do believe what you're taught don't you.

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Old 24-07-2012, 03:14 PM   #32
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@12 12 2012....
got anything to say about hiv/aids, or are you just here to insult?
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Old 24-07-2012, 05:26 PM   #33
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Old 24-07-2012, 05:33 PM   #34
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That picture looks like it came from angry rednecks.
No offense, rednecks.
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Old 24-07-2012, 05:46 PM   #35
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this is absolute bullshit.
i have lost more than a dozen friends over the years, who died of aids, after being found hiv positive.
i have watched them die.
i wish it was a hoax and millions had not died of it.
You cannot claim it is bullshit. I am sorry for your loss, but it is best to keep an open mind. Alas, possibly, according to the likes of Deusberg, your friends likely died from the AIDS treatment i.e. AZT and similar.

HIV was likely just another bogeyman. Perhaps even another bogeyman that lost its impetus and fear factor; not unlike how global warming lost its impetus and fear factor (because people saw through it, and the media/elite chose to use it less as a stick to hit the masses with). Those that were alive in the 1980's grew up in fear of having sex, and to an extent, those in this group that have become single are still in fear. However, since it was the epidemic that never was, you absolutely do not find the same fear amonget those born in the 90's onwards. Why? Because the media don't push it like they did.

Even Montagnier, the man who first identified HIV, now doubts the HIV/AIDS hypothesis.
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Old 24-07-2012, 06:32 PM   #36
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So if HIV isn't real...

How do you explain

1. This , which is transferred via unprotected sex, blood exchange. The fact that, even if we didn't know what it was, you can assign a risk value to some patient based on their #partners, unprotected sex, etc and end up finding an undeniable pattern.

2. The practically pathognomonic illnesses associated with it in the late stages (Kaposi's Sarcoma, PCP).

3. The fact that, when these people go on ARV therapy, their viral load goes down, CD4 goes up

4. The association with low CD4, high viral load, and illness.
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So if HIV isn't real...

How do you explain

1. This , which is transferred via unprotected sex, blood exchange. The fact that, even if we didn't know what it was, you can assign a risk value to some patient based on their #partners, unprotected sex, etc and end up finding an undeniable pattern..
Undeniable pattern? Nonsense.

Have you watched House of Numbers?
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Old 24-07-2012, 07:08 PM   #38
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A documentary isn't the field of scientific debate. If there's no evidence of pattern - show it with a research paper. Show that the patients seen typically don't have these risk factors. Of course, you'd be surprising all the doctors who see HIV patients day in, day out. Do you not think they would have said "hey, I seem to have a huge chunk of patients with no risk factors, what's up with that?"

And there is a pattern - almost everyone I've spoken to with HIV had a +ve partner, or history of drug abuse, or some other notable risk factor.
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So if HIV isn't real...

How do you explain

1. This , which is transferred via unprotected sex, blood exchange. The fact that, even if we didn't know what it was, you can assign a risk value to some patient based on their #partners, unprotected sex, etc and end up finding an undeniable pattern.
Take a look at this and then tell me you believe in this

http://reducetheburden.org/?p=147

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2. The practically pathognomonic illnesses associated with it in the late stages (Kaposi's Sarcoma, PCP).
Poppers.

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3. The fact that, when these people go on ARV therapy, their viral load goes down, CD4 goes up
Viral load? Based on PCR, and the man who got a Nobel Prize for discovering it says it's nonsense?

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4. The association with low CD4, high viral load, and illness.
Numbers. Tell me, why should I believe any of this has anything to do with a pathogenic, exogenous, retroviral cause for immune deficiency?

If you can answer I am all ears. If you cannot, why the fuck have we been poisoning all these poor fuckers with AZT et cetera?
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Take a look at this and then tell me you believe in this

http://reducetheburden.org/?p=147
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...9543568990098X

Tag, you're it. What does appear to be the case is that some sort of trauma may make transmission more likely, so anal sex is a more effective vector for HIV to move across.

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Poppers.
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Seriously? You think all of the KS, PCP is caused by poppers? Are they adding them to the water in South Africa?


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Viral load? Based on PCR, and the man who got a Nobel Prize for discovering it says it's nonsense?
A nobel prize in medicine is a way of saying "well done for making this discovery some time ago, it panned out and was a great tool for mankind". It does not give credence to any opinion you may have forevermore. If it's rubbish, let him prove it in the lab, in research, through evidence.

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Numbers. Tell me, why should I believe any of this has anything to do with a pathogenic, exogenous, retroviral cause for immune deficiency?

If you can answer I am all ears. If you cannot, why the fuck have we been poisoning all these poor fuckers with AZT et cetera?
They're markers for 'sickness' in this case. Even if we didn't know what caused AIDS, even if we thought it was genetic or whatever, those numbers are very strong prognostic indicators.
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