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Old 25-01-2013, 04:43 PM   #281
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a poison called AZT , the massive deaths are because this destructive drug , not the suppose virus.
several of my friends died of AIDS before AZT was introduced.
facts trump your claims.
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Old 26-01-2013, 12:45 AM   #282
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How are the lifestyle your friends ?,immunodeficience have always existed in the world , this fact trump many facts about AIDS , have malnuctrition , bad habits , take recreational drugs etc , and more a myriad of things can make a organism have immunodeficiency , and AZT killed thousands , read about this mortal drug ..

Another example , Sarcoma of kaposi , Doctor say when AIDS appeared , that this are caused by HIV , but , this cancer are due a drug called Popper , after peoples stop taking this drug , miraculously this syntom dissapear ...i remember the first day AIDS appear in TV , talking about Sarcoma of Kaposy , now , wheres this syintom ??

There soo many roles in AIDS theory , i dont want offend you , im sorry for your friends , but science dont want discuss this theme , AIDS is not a unanimity even bettwen scientists .

Even Montaigner have talking about it...
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I mean holes and not roles
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Old 29-01-2013, 12:25 AM   #284
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Ok, but some condition causing increased viral load and reduced CD4 T-cells exists though?
Kary Mullis, who invented PCR, the technology behind 'viral load', winning a Nobel Prize as a result, doesn't think the tests are measuring a specific retrovirus.

I think most likely these tests are responding to cellular debris. Similarly it isn't clear that the results of these CD4 counts are very useful.

Let me ask you something. Have you seen the results of the Padian Study? In the light of those results does it not seem unlikely that, whatever it indicates, being 'HIV positive' is sexually transmitted?
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Old 29-01-2013, 12:39 AM   #285
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The follow up to that is, do you think ARV therapies are effective in managing AIDS?
They may help some people sometimes, but I'd guess the mechanism is other than killing a supposed pathogenic, exogenous retrovirus. There may also be a psychological element.

However my main focus is on the lack of evidence for the supposed killer exogenous retrovirus in the first place, and the fact that everything seems to point away from whatever these tests measure being sexually transmitted.

In my view first we need to see where this sorry story has gone off track. Then it will be time to try to work out what of what remains is still useful, including the utility of labels such as 'AIDS', the various marker tests, and all these so-called antiretroviral drugs.
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I'd argue that the opposite is true really. even if we didn't know what caused AIDS, if CD4/viral load are good markers of prognosis and ARVs are effective in managing AIDS, then everything else is slightly academic (although obviously a definitive cure would be great).
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Old 29-01-2013, 02:00 AM   #287
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I'd argue that the opposite is true really. even if we didn't know what caused AIDS, if CD4/viral load are good markers of prognosis and ARVs are effective in managing AIDS, then everything else is slightly academic (although obviously a definitive cure would be great).
If they are toxic and people who take them die sooner than people who don't then it is all very important.

If it is not sexually transmitted that is very important. Did you look at the Padian study?

I am pretty sure the billions spent on giving ARVs to people in Africa would be better spent on sanitation.

Also scaring everyone half to death about sex based on zero evidence seems a crime against humanity to me.
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Old 29-01-2013, 02:17 AM   #288
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several of my friends died of AIDS before AZT was introduced.
facts trump your claims.
That does not contradict the theory that many, perhaps most, people died because of AZT in the early days. Yes, some people had badly reduced immunity and died. You may think it was a virus, I may think they'd been partying too hard, but either way the fact that some died before AZT isn't a fact that somehow trumps the claim that many, perhaps most, died from AZT.

Can we not at least agree that it is worth trying to work out what is really going on? I may be guilty of the same thing sometimes but you seem to be treating this as a point scoring exercise. I have goodwill to all with respect to this but I cannot avoid drawing the conclusion, after spending a great deal of time looking into this, that the pathogenic, exogenous retroviral 'AIDS' theory is a huge mistake.

The consequences include that people needn't be afraid of having sex without condoms and the taking the so-called 'HIV tests' is a really bad idea. These ideas are worth discussing as, surely, the world is a better place if people do not associate mortal fear with sex.

If you think there is clear evidence for the pathogenic, exogenous retroviral 'AIDS' hypothesis please present it. I can show you what was the basis for the theory when it first surfaced was fraudulent; you can read all about it here.

Do you understand what I am saying? I do not dispute that your friends died. I do not dispute that they had severely diminished immune response when they did, that they had been told this was caused by a virus, that they believed this, that you did too, that their healthcare providers acted with goodwill, et cetera.

However I see no reason why I should act as though I could kill my next lover if I cum inside her without a condom. None of the data suggests there is a sexually transmitted virus out there killing people by causing their immune systems to collapse.

Do you at least understand what I am trying to convey, bikerdruid?
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If anyone wants to hear a detailed description of what it's like being on the toxic so-called 'antiretroviral drugs' watch this:

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Old 01-02-2013, 03:05 AM   #290
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several of my friends died of AIDS before AZT was introduced.
facts trump your claims.
Acquired immune deficiencies have existed as far back as the 1700s. Fanatsizing that they are now caused by a modern retrovirus is BS.

AZT has killed thousands, at the very least.
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This thread is great , i want thank also to Ponzi nemesis , i grew up with fear of sex to the point that it make my live a contant terror , imagine when i started reading about aids being a scam , i feel even gulty for try think againt the mainstream , i remember thinking " im naive to hear theses peoples " , but , then i forgot till i see the house of number...and this scared me how far this shit is going till today.

Peoples also dont look like link the colateral effect that a medication have , i know very well , once i was taking 20 mg of drug to deppreesion , then my doctor , pass to me more 10 mg , in only one week because this only more 10 mg , i have diarreya ,lack of apetite , pain in all my body , insonia , the pain is the worst , look like a bunch of ruligans hava beate me ...

Now someone know how much theses peoples take in theses medications these suppost virus ...some think that the new drugs are like paradise in the earth and have no colateral effect , wich i really doubt !!
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This thread is great , i want thank also to Ponzi nemesis , i grew up with fear of sex to the point that it make my live a contant terror , imagine when i started reading about aids being a scam , i feel even gulty for try think againt the mainstream , i remember thinking " im naive to hear theses peoples " , but , then i forgot till i see the house of number...and this scared me how far this shit is going till today.

Peoples also dont look like link the colateral effect that a medication have , i know very well , once i was taking 20 mg of drug to deppreesion , then my doctor , pass to me more 10 mg , in only one week because this only more 10 mg , i have diarreya ,lack of apetite , pain in all my body , insonia , the pain is the worst , look like a bunch of ruligans hava beate me ...

Now someone know how much theses peoples take in theses medications these suppost virus ...some think that the new drugs are like paradise in the earth and have no colateral effect , wich i really doubt !!
Thank you for your kind words, and thanks to khamael for starting the thread; I just noticed he has been banned, which is a bit peculiar. Anyway anyone reading this who hasn't seen the earlier posts do go back and check out the first few pages.
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I'd argue that the opposite is true really. even if we didn't know what caused AIDS, if CD4/viral load are good markers of prognosis and ARVs are effective in managing AIDS, then everything else is slightly academic (although obviously a definitive cure would be great).
If you really are interested in this topic I suggest you listen to this recent radio programme:

http://www.howpositiveareyou.com/201...elix-de-fries/

It puts forward reasons why the so-called ARV drugs may have some benefits for some people, but that the whole approach is wrong.

Please listen to it, consider it, and get others to listen to it too if you can.
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Old 09-02-2013, 03:18 AM   #294
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Study shows that Test and Treat does not lead to lower infection rates:

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/la...341-9/abstract

More evidence that the infectious, pathogenic, exogenous retroviral theory of 'AIDS' is erroneous.
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Study shows that Test and Treat does not lead to lower infection rates:

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/la...341-9/abstract

More evidence that the infectious, pathogenic, exogenous retroviral theory of 'AIDS' is erroneous.
Any updates on the new research you spoke of earlier that will demolish the viral theory of AIDS?
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Any updates on the new research you spoke of earlier that will demolish the viral theory of AIDS?
No, all I know is that the preliminary results were exciting enough to get the hopes of someone I trust up that they were going to make a huge difference when they came out, and that the results were expected some time this year.

It saddens me that, like 9/11 for example, it's clear enough already to anyone who looks into this with an open mind that the 'official story' is nonsense, yet things like this can happen and there doesn't seem to be much that can be done to prevent it:

http://truthbarrier.com/2013/02/28/t...artinez-nagel/
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