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Old 06-06-2017, 10:40 AM   #241
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In the ankh you have the male phallic tau at the bottom and at the top you have the female vesica pisces yoni

the V sign being flashed by churchill above is the sign of typhon the serpent god of chaos

the nazis were holding up a solar swastika symbol and speaking of blitzkreig opr lightening strikes so churchill responds with the nemesis of the solar/lightening hero of order with the sign of chaos

in egypt typhon is Set or satan however zeus is the demiurge who is also satan.......a catch 22 for mankind
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Old 06-06-2017, 10:44 AM   #242
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The labour red rose. Symbol of Venus.



Looks like it contains a picture of a bald headed man in the center.
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Old 06-06-2017, 10:50 AM   #243
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In the ankh you have the male phallic tau at the bottom and at the top you have the female vesica pisces yoni

the V sign being flashed by churchill above is the sign of typhon the serpent god of chaos

the nazis were holding up a solar swastika symbol and speaking of blitzkreig opr lightening strikes so churchill responds with the nemesis of the solar/lightening hero of order with the sign of chaos
I personally see the ankh as a male figure with outstretched arms and the blood of isis knot as the female companion. Maybe taken together they represent the archetypal male and female.

The nazi symbol was a perversion of that symbol being tilted and inverted. The concept of blitzkreig was actually developed by assault units in WWI and this was developed along more mechanised lines by WWII
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Old 06-06-2017, 10:52 AM   #244
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And of course we have the Rosicrucians.
keep up the good work man! Lots of interesting associations in this thread

The thelemic rose-cross is indicitive of the sex magick at the heart of their order. (the OTO which crowley assumed control of is the order of oriental templars). This involves the comingling of male semen with female menstrual blood

The cross represents the male phallus and the rose is the female yoni and if you think about the templar cross it is a red cross....a bloody penis

The templars/rosicrucians were i suggest heavily involved in the building of rosslyn chapel which is on a rose-line leyline
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Old 06-06-2017, 10:54 AM   #245
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The concept of blitzkreig was actually developed by assault units in WWI and this was developed along more mechanised lines by WWII
neverthless the volskish movement behind the nazis was drawing on old archetypes of the thunder god

The nazis even named heavy artillery pieces after thor and the SS symbol was depicted as lightening
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The labour red rose. Symbol of Venus.

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Looks like it contains a picture of a bald headed man in the center.
or a man being consumed in flames or a demon within them
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neverthless the volskish movement behind the nazis was drawing on old archetypes of the thunder god

The nazis even named heavy artillery pieces after thor and the SS symbol was depicted as lightening
The SS runes have the letter sowelu, which some think means wholeness. Hardly lightening.

I think the Germans were keen to use mythology as it suited them.
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Old 06-06-2017, 11:12 AM   #248
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The SS runes have the letter sowelu, which some think means wholeness. Hardly lightening.

I think the Germans were keen to use mythology as it suited them.
the SS runes are solar sig runes depicted as lightening

lightening as you know is the path down the qabalistic tree of life
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keep up the good work man! Lots of interesting associations in this thread

The thelemic rose-cross is indicitive of the sex magick at the heart of their order. (the OTO which crowley assumed control of is the order of oriental templars). This involves the comingling of male semen with female menstrual blood

The cross represents the male phallus and the rose is the female yoni and if you think about the templar cross it is a red cross....a bloody penis

The templars/rosicrucians were i suggest heavily involved in the building of rosslyn chapel which is on a rose-line leyline
The rose cross is a GD creation as far as I know. Definitely before thelema.

I would say the rose cross represents knowledge through sacrifice. I dont tend to think of it all as cocks and fannys. I think that is the mentality of the sexual obsessive.
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the SS runes are solar sig runes depicted as lightening

lightening as you know is the path down the qabalistic tree of life
The path of the lightening flash isnt the same as the sowelu rune. Not only that but on the tree it would descend to the right, not the left. Lets not confuse things by mixing systems that are built on totally different cultural models.
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The rose cross is a GD creation as far as I know. Definitely before thelema.
of course it pre-dates thelema! there have been templars riding around with rose-crosses on their surcoats for the last millenia!

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I would say the rose cross represents knowledge through sacrifice. I dont tend to think of it all as cocks and fannys. I think that is the mentality of the sexual obsessive.
who says the cocks and fannies don't symbolically represent other things?

it doesn't all have to be so literal

for example you have the freemasonic square and compass which can be male and female or spirit and matter or the space and time of the demiurgic matrix which they uphold etc
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of course it pre-dates thelema! there have been templars riding around with rose-crosses on their surcoats for the last millenia!



who says the cocks and fannies don't symbolically represent other things?

it doesn't all have to be so literal

for example you have the freemasonic square and compass which can be male and female or spirit and matter or the space and time of the demiurgic matrix which they uphold etc
Why male and female rather than active/ passive, positive/ negative? these other qualities are not specifically gender based either as in some countries you will see moon gods and sun goddesses, etc.

So if you know the rose cross has been around for ages then why call it thelemic?
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Old 06-06-2017, 11:34 AM   #253
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Why male and female rather than active/ passive, positive/ negative? these other qualities are not specifically gender based either as in some countries you will see moon gods and sun goddesses, etc.
'male' and 'female' are just linguistic terms used to get a handle on abstract concepts eg 'passive' and 'active'

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So if you know the rose cross has been around for ages then why call it thelemic?
i'm using thelema as a modern example of this phenomena i'm speaking about

why are you getting so defencive?
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'male' and 'female' are just linguistic terms used to get a handle on abstract concepts eg 'passive' and 'active'
Not a very good handle though. I guess rough minds will use rough definitions though.
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Not a very good handle though. I guess rough minds will use rough definitions though.
this is why you should try to see things less crudely/literally

however the thelemites most definately have sex magick at the core of their order and i suggest the templars did too and that accusations of sodomy were not far wrong
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however the thelemites most definately have sex magick at the core of their order and i suggest the templars did too and that accusations of sodomy were not far wrong
lol. The accusations of a corrupt king and the corrupt catholic church.

So what if thelemites have sex magic at their core? thats up to them isnt it?
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lol. The accusations of a corrupt king and the corrupt catholic church.
and the templars weren't corrupt?

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So what if thelemites have sex magic at their core? thats up to them isnt it?
why so defencive?
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and the templars weren't corrupt?

lol



why so defencive?
Why is it defensive to say that its their choice? dont you believe in freedom of choice?
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Why is it defensive to say that its their choice? dont you believe in freedom of choice?
why are you being so defencive that you are trying to put words in someones mouth that were never there?
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why are you being so defencive that you are trying to put words in someones mouth that were never there?
lol, I think you are starting to be a bit of a princess
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