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Old 25-02-2017, 01:19 AM   #141
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Unsheepled - You write from the part of your psyche/soul/spirit that can NEVER be touched.

It is my understanding that no matter what type of programming is used - it can NEVER fully possess you. You are a true Hero - you survived - Good for You.

I imagine you wrote because the Universe is looking over You and including You in the healing process. We are winning.

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Old 25-02-2017, 10:00 PM   #142
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Thought it timely to share the following - again. I have mentioned the following to people in first hand conversations and I may have published it before - so - I will share it again. Please keep in mind that my current Child Abuse Whistleblower journey commenced in 2011.

A couple of years into my current Child Abuse Whistleblower journey I spoke with an operational Police officer. I won't provide rank or gender or location as a sign of respect.

Police Officer stated to me, in a first person conversation;

"Amanda, there are Police watching you and they are willing you to win."

Much Peace & Much Respect - Amanda

NB: For those who are new to this thread - I am a former operational NSW Police Officer.
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Old 10-03-2017, 01:14 AM   #143
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As support to educating members of the public - I am publishing a copy of my current Working With Children Check.

As you can see I have approval to work with Children in both a paid and unpaid situation.

The only concern I have with the Working With Children Check is that it will only be of benefit if the person applying has been before a Court or has been charged by Police.

Maybe there is someone following the Child Abuse Whistleblowers Community Page (Facebook)who has professional knowledge regarding the Working With Children Check - and - who can explain exactly how the document will protect Children.

Anyone who knows me will be well aware that I am all for any administration that will protect Children, from all types of abuse but I do not understand how it will work if the person applying, has not been charged with a criminal offence regarding Children.

Sharing this post may be of benefit to members of the public. There may be parents and/or carers who are unaware, that the copy of the document I share here, must be provided when Working With Children. It must be provided in any situation where a person will be in contact with Children. Schools. sporting activities, charities et cetera.

Don't be afraid to ask for a hard copy of the document. Don't be afraid to ask for personal identification such as a Drivers Licence to check authenticity - if you do not know the person. I have already shown a hard copy of the document shared here - to concerned members of the public. The people were not concerned with me - but - with the system and how it works.

Much Respect - Amanda

NB: Please consider sharing/bumping this post - to help Mothers and Fathers and Concerned Individuals. On a side note the application has a cost of eighty dollars.

***** Please note that I reside in Australia. Also know that I cannot post links here and that is primarily due to having my life destroyed on every level immediately after I made Mandatory Reports in 2011. As a Teacher I am bound by legislation as well as my professional training to make Mandatory Reports. I have been well educated with regard to the following:If it is found that a Teacher knew of information relating to Child Abuse and did not make a Mandatory Report - it is a criminal offence and carries huge fines and/or a custodial sentence.*****

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Old 15-05-2017, 11:07 PM   #144
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Thanks to a friend the attached link was sent to me this morning.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/ca...12-gw3pe8.html

Here is a link to an article of mine, that was published a year ago.

https://wakeup-world.com/2016/03/01/...incompetent-or complicit-shunned-child-abuse-whistleblower-speaks-out/

Please keep in mind that I have Cardinal Pell on paper as well as other church officials and it is only a matter of time until they (the documents) are contained in a brief of evidence or are published.

Also published on the Child Abuse Whistleblowers Community page on facebook is an article I composed titled: Cardinal Pell - Child Abuse - Canon Law. I cannot upload my own articles to this thread and I include the reference, as a courtesy for those who may be interested in reading the article.

Thank you everyone for the ongoing support and for keeping this thread alive.

Much Respect & Much Peace - Amanda

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Old 29-06-2017, 11:47 PM   #145
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Am sharing the details to a link (I am unable to post links here) with regard to an article of mine that was published over a year ago.

https://wake-up_world.com/2016/01/25...-takes-a-stand

In recent news it appears that criminal charges have been preferred for Cardinal Pell. The charges are historical in nature.

Much Respect & Much Peace - To All Victims & Witnesses - Amanda

NB: Heartfelt gratitude to all those People who read through this long running thread and keep the Good Fight alive.
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Old 15-10-2017, 02:30 AM   #146
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Thought I would post here - regarding Weinstein. I am not including any links because there will be plenty of articles for people to read, should they elect to research independently. It appears that a well known person (Weinstein) has been publicly outed to the point of being shunned and excluded from prestigious professional positions.

Here's how I approach the news of Weinstein. I proceed directly from Literal Thinking to Lateral Thinking and deeply into Critical Thinking. I also indulge in Creative/Divergent Thinking as I ponder the subject matter and the names that are directly linked to the news.

Literally - I think here is another news article about the subject of sexual abuse and no doubt with links to Child Sexual Abuse - in that the victims may well have been introduced to the person in question, at a young age.

Laterally - I start to think about how news outlets are controlled by a handful of CEOs and their editorial staff. How does the news of the person in question become so widespread when; No.1 The behavior has been noted for many many many years. No. 2 Why now?

To think that the board of an international arts academy has voted to shun him - that in itself is very telling - isn't it? That is a big step from blandishing a persons name on the worldwideweb/news outlets/social media/et cetera but to proceed to the action of publicly removing him from a position of prestige - that is another dimension to the usual news of well known sexual predators and paedophiles.

Critical Thinking - I find myself asking questions such as: Who has this person angered? He must have overstepped boundaries. What boundaries? Then I find myself asking questions about the entire subject matter. Keep in mind that the subject of Child Abuse is rampant and has seen new levels of interest from the public, more than ever before, at least in my lifetime.

Is the public decrying of the person of interest an exercise in manipulating the news and by monitoring the public reaction - merely a tool of convenience???? He is after all a person of elite level means and his financial situation would surely not be impacted on by the recent publicity??? Yes/No/Maybe????

Creative/Divergent Thinking - I really start to ask questions of all the related people. Again I ask myself - Why now?/ All the names that have been linked to the abuse appear to be well established performers. Why didn't they come forward before now? Well that is easily answered; They are more than likely afraid and don't know how to go about making a report or are bullied into not speaking out. So let's extend the thinking forward from that and ask the question again, only with a different slant;

Why now? What makes it safe or okay to be associated with sexual abuse now - in 2017??? Then the questions can be asked that are based on; What made this information bubble up to the surface? What made it happen now and not before?

Personally I think that as more and more members of out International Society are asking more and more questions about Child Abuse and Sexual Abuse - essentially - People are waking up to the fact that it should not be happening but it is happening and has been for far too long. People are waking up to the fact that paedophiles and predators are not always being held accountable. People are waking up to the fact that paedophiles and predators appear to be well supported within legal and other adminsitrative systems - while - the victims and witnesses appear not to be supported.


Just wanted to breathe life into this thread and keep the subject active. As a recognised Australian Child Abuse Whistleblower I have a front row seat to what is happening. In 2011 I obeyed the law and adhered to my professional training - as a Teacher - and made two Mandatory Reports. My life was destroyed on every level. Here's how I sum up my situation:

I have seen a counsellor twice and during the first session I noted the counsellor write down PTSD(Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) and I immediately opened up the conversation about what the note. I stated; "Post?" My life has been irrevocably changed, destroyed and what has happened has shaped the rest of my life. My life will never be the same again, be as it was before. "Disorder?" "Me?" "I thought that it is the paedophiles and predators who are the ones with a disorder, not me."


Those of you who know me know that my physical health has been impacted on in a negative manner. I have been quiet purely as an adjunct to working on my physical health. I make it a point not to speak about my health but private messages are starting to appear and my absence has been noted. I am still here and I am - while I work on my physical health - formulating my next moves. I will be more active over the next few months.

Thank You Everyone who keeps this thread alive - a it were. The subject matter of Child Abuse and Sexual Abuse is one of the most important subject areas to be discussed and acted upon. Please always remember this:

When We Fail To Protect Children - We Fail To Have A Future


Much Peace & Much Respect - As we navigate the dark subject of Child Abuse & Sexual Abuse - Stay Strong & Stay Alert - Amanda
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Old 31-10-2017, 12:11 AM   #147
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I want to be very clear. I am about to commence a new phase of my actions as a recognized Australian Child Abuse Whistleblower. I have learned much over several years. I still have much to learn.

I have come to this determination:

The least I can do is open up a global discussion, a proper intelligent discourse on what is happening with regard to the Safety and Welfare of Children.

The most I can do is to be part of the change that needs to happen, within our Global Community.

My intention was never to become a Child Abuse Whistleblower. Not being completely naive but I really had no idea what was going to happen to me. As I have stated many times, since 2011, I obeyed the law and adhered to my professional training. I was not supported or protected by those who were in a position to recognize what I was doing and that, as a starting point, serves to show that the legal and administrative systems that are currently in place, may be a little too easy to circumvent.

At no time will I make any negative comments or express any negative opinions with regard to any one particular individual. As I have stated before, there are decent professionals in all areas of society but they share their workplace and neighbourhood with the other type.

In time I will share select sections of my personal Child Abuse Whistleblower journey but that will come in the future and I will include names and locations for clarity and context. At NO TIME will I share any information and/or evidence that identifies a Child/Victim or Witness.

My journey as a recognized Australian Child Abuse Whistleblower is now entering a new phase. Please stand with me, as we endeavour to make our society a safe place for All Children. When Children are not safe essentially, we as a collective adult society have failed them and I will never put myself in a position where anyone can make a comment, that intimates or infers that I did not at least attempt to tackle a dark and incredibly indecent subject.

When We Fail To Protect Children - We Fail To Have A Future

Everything I do from here on in will be strategic and based on what I have experienced. There is no law that prevents me from sharing any first hand experience as a Child Abuse Whistleblower. There is no legislation in place for a Child Abuse Whistleblower. As a moot point - thought provoking questions to ponder: We don't really need any more legislation do we? What we need is to ensure the systems currently in place, actually work - yes/no/maybe?

Thank You Everyone for at least being interested and at the most for opening up a discussion on the topic of Child Abuse - both here and when speaking face to face with friends and family and members of your community.

Next I will prepare notes on two very public examples of what is happening with regard to Child Abuse and how reports are managed.

Much Peace & Much Respect - Amanda
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Old 31-10-2017, 01:27 AM   #148
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You will always be very welcome here Amanda. We appreciate your ethics and standards.
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Thank You. What I want is for readers to see that I work with boundaries and I work with applied intellect. When we, Humans, are angry we don't think straight and whatever I achieve - however small my contribution or how much - at least I did what I did with integrity.

One aspect of what I have learned as a recognized Child Abuse Whistleblower is that most often, the system is not understood by those who make a report and who then become a part of something that overwhelms them.

Court rooms and educated professionals can be overwhelming to those who are not highly educated - I will be addressing this issue among many others.

Please don't think I do not experience rage and anger and other negative emotions - I do. I have learned to confront those negative emotions and to push through them. The analogy I like to utilise is this:

More manure for this rose garden and only those who truly know me - know how to handle me to avoid the thorns.

I did not intend to become a warrior but here I am ....

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Those of you who have been following my actions as a recognized Child Abuse Whistleblower, will recall that I was contacted by the office of Senator Hinch. Those of you who are new to my actions - I will write so as to ensure you understand this post.

Essentially some months ago I was contacted by two employees of Senator Hinch. The contacts were via phone and made by two separate employees. One is an Office Manager and the other is the person responsible for making appointments for people to speak with Senator Hinch in person.

I have not been contacted since nor have I been given an opportunity to speak with Senator Hinch. I can appreciate I am one of many many many people who would like to speak with him, within the aspect of his professional stance.

I want to share the following information with you. I want to be VERY CLEAR - I am not making any judgement on the two people who contacted me. Both times I was contacted I was asked to relay to them (individually) my issues. I explained that summing up seven years of my journey as a Child Abuse Whistleblower was not really applicable. I asked both employees (individually) if they had any legal training or understanding of legal procedures.

I had thought that summing up seven years of my journey as a Child Abuse Whistleblower was possible via a telephone conversation - I could utilise legal examples.

Neither of the employees had legal training and/or knowledge so that removed that option for me and for them. I also stated that by speaking with them, particularly in that I had so much to impart, that the issue of my information and evidence not being relayed exactly - mistakes could be made.

Those of you who know me and know what I am doing are well acquainted with the fact I work with integrity and ensure I make no mistakes. I have stated many many many times - should I make any mistakes they will be honest ones - as I am working without any guidance and with no Child Abuse Whistleblower legislation.

So - as an update - I have not had any further contact from anyone form the office of Senator Hinch or the Senator himself.

The two employees were both polite and professional and this update is by no means meant to infer or intimate that they were anything other than, interested, professional and courteous to me. Just a shame that I could not relay seven years of information and evidence within a telephone conversation with them - individually or collectively.

As a moot point - it appears that Senator Hinch, with the assistance of his staff - does in fact speak face to face with many individuals.

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tealady - I have sent him emails - he is well informed of my situation.

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With regard to the most recent post of mine. Did anyone think to question the fact that the two employees had no legal training and/or legal knowledge?

Again I will state; I will be VERY CLEAR. My comments, thoughts,questions and opinions are not directed at any one person. I am using my first hand experience as an example - call it a learning example if you want ....

When a professional agency, political,government or other is publicly advertising their professional position, in this instance - Child Safety and Welfare - then at least some staff should have a modicum of legal training and/or legal understanding of legal procedures. Yes/No/Maybe? Anyone who can read and write can research legislation - all online in this day and age.

Imagine how much different my telephone conversations would have been, if I had been able to cite legislation and a current example. It would have been a concise conversation and it could have been relayed intact.

As a moot point I contacted Senator Hinch well before he was elected to Australian Government. He responded to my electronic mail and was courteous. Keep this brief paragraph in mind when I share the next comment based on information shared during a first person conversation.

When the Office Manager of Senator Hinch contacted me by phone - during the first person communication, I was told that Senator Hinch has an excellent memory for names. The remark inferring that Senator Hinch would not have forgotten me.

In a future post I will carefully cite an example that includes the information and more - that is directly connected to this post.

More to come soon. Please don't forget to utilise not just Literal Thinking also Lateral Thinking, Critical Thinking and Creative/Divergent Thinking processes.

We are all on this journey together thus we are all learning together.

All I am doing is sharing everything I have learned as a Child Abuse Whistleblower. I have much to share. I am sharing details of my Child Abuse Whistleblower journey in an attempt to help people understand the current legal and administrative systems and eventually - People will learn how it can be circumvented.

To be completely transparent - I am tying up some loose ends, which requires me to wait for some responses. In the meantime I am posting educational/learning themed posts.

Much Peace & Much Respect - Nydelig Unger You are not Nameless and You are not forgotten - Amanda

NB: Thank You Everyone for your unconditional support and the Trust that is being placed in me - and - my careful step by step actions.
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The theme of this post is a continuation of the most recent posts here, regarding my communications with Senator Hinch and some of his staff.

I need to reference an actual example but of course I cannot breach confidentiality and name the Child Victim, the family who have been in contact with me, nor any locations. There is a matter still before the courts and that alone is enough to prevent me from sharing specific details. Suffice to say I will share some details and they are appalling.

Firstly, I have been in contact with the family since they found me via the Child Abuse Whistleblowers Community page on facebook. Ample document evidence has been shared with me and permission to forward, some of the more compelling documents for archiving with my underground following - was given. So some of the more compelling documents are held in trust.

Secondly, the documents include medical records. Essentially the Child Victim has permanent injuries.I cannot describe the injuries without identifying the Child - suffice to say the injuries are unique and not generally seen in Children.

I have assisted the family and managed to have the matter of Child Abuse moved from a local level where the NSW State Crime Command examined my concerns. This is as the matter was explained to me by employees at the NSW Police Professional Standards Command. The NSW Professional Standards Command is the office that investigates matters concerning NSW Police and professional conduct, possible malfeasance et cetera.

My concerns, supported by ample document evidence were very disturbing. I still have deep concern for the Safety and Welfare of the Child.The matter was moved to a specialty unit is currently 'suspended' this means the matter is still open to full investigation. That is what I am aiming for and knowing all the details I do - I think it is plausible that there will be a full investigation.

Essentially - I will cut to the chase, as they say:The Child Victim has disclosed to to over twenty people. Most of the people are professionals. The medical documentation is compelling and would be essential to a full investigation.

Senator Hinch apparently acted on the suggestion of the family, who told him to speak with me. He did not speak with me but he did act on the matter. As relayed to me, he rang the NSW Detective who currently has carriage of the 'suspended' matter. He asked questions of the NSW Detective but not the questions I would have asked.

Foremost I would have asked the NSW Detective: Have you interviewed all the people to whom the Child has disclosed? Did you speak with each and everyone of them? Did you take Police Statements from them and did you access the NSW Police Notebooks of the NSW Police to whom the Child disclosed?

It is my understanding that the Child Victim has disclosed to over twenty people and most of them are professionals. The Child Victim has described the same and very similar act that was performed, that caused the permanent injury - to many people.

Why has the investigation been 'suspended' you ask? I have asked myself that question many many many times. All I will say is this: When anyone attends The Family Court in Sydney please know that the actual title is: The Family Court & Criminal Court. I learned this when I attended Federal Court in 2013. The first time I attended The Federal Court in Sydney it was located in William Street (it still is) but while renovations were underway, I received correspondence that stated my matter would be heard at The Family Court. I soon learned that it is actually the The Family and Criminal Court.

I know that without details some of my posts may seem sketchy and be difficult to understand. I would so much like to share document evidence with the public but it would be disadvantageous for the 'suspended' matter and the current matter. Also all my efforts would be undone.

Travelling the road as a Child Abuse Whistleblower is the most challenging undertaking of my life. Being a recognised Australian Child Abuse Whistleblower is my purpose and I will complete what I have started. If only I could show the public all my document information and evidence now. The plan is, via my current strategies, that I will eventually be able to make public some very telling documents.

So -asking the Right Questions Will Bring About The Correct Result. I would have asked: Is the Criminal Act of Child Abuse more important than anything else? And I would have added: That is a closed question that requires only a yes or no reply.

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This question and others that are similar are asked of me - from time to time. I will explain as simply as possible.

At the beginning of 2011 I obeyed the Law and adhered to my Professional Training and made a Mandatory Report. Midway through the same year I made a second Mandatory Report the contents which spanned at least thirty five years.

It is this simple: The person/s who destroyed my life, gave me the opportunity to become nothing - or - to become a recognised Australian Child Abuse Whistleblower.

People ask me why I bother? After all these years. I will repeat this for those who may not understand, shills/trolls/disinformation agents may not comment or press buttons but they do read through my posts.

The person/s who destroyed my life, on every level - actually created the opportunity for me to become a recognised Australian Child Abuse Whistleblower. Think about that and take as long as you need.

The situation is now such that; it is like the iceberg - only a small portion visible to the naked eye but what is beneath the surface - is huge. I thank my Underground Following and I thank my Visible Following for giving me the strength to engage in such a huge task.

If it was your Child - you would fight until your last breath - wouldn't you?

Much Peace & Much Respect - Nydelig Unger You are Not Nameless & You are not forgotten - Amanda
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There are two long running threads on the worldwideweb - that are directly connected to the Child Abuse Whistleblowers Community page. (This is one of them & may I add that on both long running threads I am never ever trolled, shilled or bothered by disinformation agents - huge thank you for whoever makes that happen.)

On one of those long running threads a regular viewer made a comment recently and I would like to share, their comment and my response. With regard to the recent images I posted of Warrior Women. This is a direct quote: You look like a Sister of Battle, Amanda. But you serve the children rather than the Imperium. Much better fight.

My response:

Gosh ... I never thought of my situation like that - I guess I do serve the Children. They are worth it. I am at the stage now where two things are happening: I am being recommended to People by those I have already helped and I am close to sharing with the public - very telling documents. I have held off - with a view to addressing issues within the appropriate forums, such as; Court, Tribunal or other proper administrative setting.

I am currently waiting on a response from the (fairly new) NSW Police Commissioner. Dependent on what is contained within his reply - will influence what I start sharing with the public. At the same time as writing to the NSW Police Commissioner I addressed the same correspondence to the Minister for Police. I even stated within the (polite) correspondence that I did so, to ensure time was not lost should the correspondence be shared via both offices. The Minister for Police does not become involved in the type of matter I shared.

Let's see what happens. Once the NSW Police Commissioner responds - I can organize myself to share specific examples of how 'our' administrative systems are working. On a more personal level, in the town where I live - much has happened since I blew the whistle, as it were ....

One instance that is very heartening is that I had stated that I would be their voice until they found their own - with regard to Children. Well it seems that Children are finding their voice. One of the people I named publicly is a Teacher. Senior Students put their concerns on paper. Literally they stated that their issues surrounded the fact the Teacher rarely turned up to class, when the Teacher did turn up, didn't teach. In essence they stated they did not want that Teacher. This was relayed to me by one of the Students.

What happened next is I saw - by chance - a Teacher from the school. During a lengthy conversation I was informed that the above referenced Teacher was now mainly involved with administration tasks and not Teaching in the classroom. Here's the rub: I had to explain to the Teacher during our 'chance' conversation why the Teacher was no longer in the classroom. It appears that even though my life was destroyed and I was dismissed from my employment without any reason (I will share the document at some stage that shows no reason) I still know more about what is happening in that particular school - than even those who work there ....

Much Peace & Much Respect - Amanda

NB: For those who don't know me or may be new to this thread. When I was dismissed the then Principal thought that by destroying my life I would have a melt down - lose my mind and basically disappear. The then Principal was fully aware that I had no partner and no family - no one that would leave me any inheritance as I got older. I had essentially raised myself after a less than proper childhood. The then Principal was wrong. I found strengths I never knew I had. I lived without a fridge for the first four years of my current Child Abuse Whistleblower journey. I could not afford to fix the old one and could not afford a new one. I now survive with the aid of government support for which I am grateful but with six pieces of paper on the wall to attest to my Tertiary Education - living on government support was not ever part of my plan. Just a little background so that People can learn about how much can be achieved by sheer will alone.

Oh and the then Principal - cost the school so much money by trying to destroy me - she was removed from her position and moved sideways and is now in an administrative position. She is located at the place where my Child Abuse Whistleblower journey began - and - which is listed in the (sadly) long list of locations mentioned in the award winning movie Spotlight. Glad to know People are watching me. Well I do have my Underground Following and I know they and my Visible Following - have my back. Thank You Everyone.
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If you are reading this and you are a Victim and/or Witness then I strongly advise against viewing anything contained within the long running thread - that - I am about to share with the public.

Suffice to say the thread can be found on a site called TheOneTruth. It is a place where I am truly protected (just like here) and I am NEVER bothered with shills/trolls/disinformation agents. This however does not protect Victims and/or Witnesses from experiencing great distress at what is shared therein - approach with caution.

I am not providing a direct link - and - that is as a precaution to at the very least, attempt to protect the Vulnerable, Victims and/or Witnesses and those who are not ready for what is shared.

Go to: TheOneTruth - Go to: Forum - Go to: Documentaries

Click on: Conspiracy Documentaries

Locate Thread with the title: EXTREME TRIGGER WARNING - Pizzagate Documentary & Pizzagate Update.

Currently has 4,823 views - I never even thought it would get 100 views - so there you go. People are obviously wanting to learn about their world and all that goes on within and around it.

I would have commenced the thread here but I can only utilise sites (for links et cetera) that are free for me to use. Having been financially destroyed - I press on regardless. Those of you who actually know me know how hard life is at present. People have offered to give me money - but - I politely declined. I am not doing this for money. I am engaged in my Purpose.

You don't have to join TheOneTruth site to view the thread.

Much Peace & Much Respect - Nydelig Unger You are not nameless and You are not forgotten - Amanda

NB: As a moot point - here on the David Icke Forums and the above cited site - are the only two places on the worlwideweb where I am pleased to see a great many views. I am protected - it would appear - and - I am always grateful to those who read through what I have written. I am sitting on a lot of very telling information and evidence. I travel carefully and with full regard for legal boundaries. Thank You Everyone for keeping this thread alive.
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