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Yes 47 82.46%
No. Our consciousness is all in the brain 4 7.02%
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Old 12-06-2016, 05:15 PM   #41
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I sense what you're hinting at (I think).

It's the mental body that categorises - but those categories weren't originally arrived at by intellectual (i.e. mental) speculation nor arbitrary choice. As I understand it, they were based upon by people who experienced each of the different levels through meditation, especially the 2nd and 3rd levels, as a part of a wider programme of spiritual development - or 'initiation' to use a term that's a bit loaded "round these parts".
Yeah, not really hinting. The question is genuine, but with a bit of ironic humour.
If it is initiation though, perhaps the categorisation only applies to initiates to whatever is initiated, after all it's an infinite reality (in perception).
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Old 12-06-2016, 05:34 PM   #42
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Yeah, not really hinting. The question is genuine, but with a bit of ironic humour.
If it is initiation though, perhaps the categorisation only applies to initiates to whatever is initiated, after all it's an infinite reality (in perception).
At the same time, on this subject there are also identical or similar concepts that crop up in many disparate traditions and cultures. So there must be common themes to discern by looking at these different traditions.
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Old 12-06-2016, 06:24 PM   #43
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At the same time, on this subject there are also identical or similar concepts that crop up in many disparate traditions and cultures. So there must be common themes to discern by looking at these different traditions.
There are structures. Whether they are natural or artificial though??? Much like the physical building structures that cropped up in history around the world at the same time in different cultures, there is clearly some collective mind stuff going on. It doesn't necessarily follow that the internal structures aren't man-made.
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Old 12-06-2016, 07:24 PM   #44
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There are structures. Whether they are natural or artificial though??? Much like the physical building structures that cropped up in history around the world at the same time in different cultures, there is clearly some collective mind stuff going on. It doesn't necessarily follow that the internal structures aren't man-made.
I think this is getting away from the subject of the thread. Let's just say the cosmologies of many traditions have classified the basic matter/energy out of which everything emanates, including the human make-up, but there are many ways to 'slice it'. And of course lots of people have no concept of the soul nor spirit.

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Old 12-06-2016, 07:46 PM   #45
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I think this is getting away from the subject of the thread. Let's just say the cosmologies of many traditions have classified the basic matter/energy out of which everything emanates, including the human make-up, but there are many ways to 'slice it'. And of course lots of people have no concept of the soul nor spirit.
Beyond all the thoughts, emotions, moods, personalities, energies, descriptions, stories, worldly doings, etc, there is something irreducible. Call it soul or spirit or god or whatever.
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Old 12-06-2016, 07:52 PM   #46
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Or is it all in the brain?
The spirit is an illusion. We create what we need. We need to believe that there are two worlds - living and dead, to experience our 'physical' world. The separation between the 'metaphysical' and 'physical' world is a construct. There is no separation.

If there is a spirit, then it is one, shared spirit, that seems to be infinitely fragmented which is how 'we' experience ourself...or something like that I honestly don't know

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Old 12-06-2016, 08:52 PM   #47
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The brain is a computer, and computers only make calculated actions which have been programmed into them. If the probability of success is too low, a computer will not take the risk of failure. A human, however, can still make their body-computer act, even if the brain says that the probability of success is tiny. I think this is the main proof of a spirit...

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Old 13-06-2016, 10:13 PM   #48
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Do we have a soul/spirit?

No, we have a human body... We are the soul/spirit!!!!
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Old 14-06-2016, 12:34 AM   #49
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Do we have a soul/spirit?

No, we have a human body... We are the soul/spirit!!!!
there is nothing you can point to and say this is what i am
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Old 14-06-2016, 12:37 AM   #50
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but there are so many things you can point to and say
this is not what i am
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Old 14-06-2016, 02:55 AM   #51
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YOU are a soul, residing in a body
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Old 14-06-2016, 09:41 AM   #52
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If the soul is connected to the brain how when I drink a lot then my mind itself changes? Surely the soul cannot become drunk by drinking. What you would expect to see is the body becoming drunk, even the brain becoming drunk but the soul at its core being sobre. The same applies to brain damage. Damage the brain you damage the soul. How?
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Old 14-06-2016, 09:48 AM   #53
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If the soul is connected to the brain how when I drink a lot then my mind itself changes? Surely the soul cannot become drunk by drinking. What you would expect to see is the body becoming drunk, even the brain becoming drunk but the soul at its core being sobre. The same applies to brain damage. Damage the brain you damage the soul. How?
Soul and brain are connected while we are here otherwise how else can you experience all those human emotions that you came here to experience?
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Old 14-06-2016, 10:04 AM   #54
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Soul and brain are connected while we are here otherwise how else can you experience all those human emotions that you came here to experience?
So you are saying our soul gets drunk?
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Old 14-06-2016, 10:21 AM   #55
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"Consciousness drives the Universe"

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9bVd3BspIQ
The music on that video is from Solaris soundtrack, "First sleep" by Cliff Martinez.

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Old 14-06-2016, 10:31 AM   #56
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We don't have a soul, we are soul.

People talk about having a soul as if that which owns it is more their truer self.
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Old 14-06-2016, 10:46 AM   #57
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We don't have a soul, we are soul.

People talk about having a soul as if that which owns it is more their truer self.
I hope you still voted yes?
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Old 14-06-2016, 12:13 PM   #58
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The vast majority of people here believe that we have a soul or consciousness, or whatever label you want to put on what is basically the same thing. With that in mind the more interesting question(s) to me would be, do animals have a soul/consciousness? Do plants have a soul/consciousness? And even, do things have a soul/consciousness?
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So you are saying our soul gets drunk?
Yes!!!! In much the same way as it is the soul that is hypnotized in order to take you back in past life regression cases.
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Old 14-06-2016, 03:07 PM   #60
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We are all immortal beings, every man, woman and animal. We are not our bodies, we are not our flesh and blood. We are etheric beings (spirit/soul) housed in bodies of physical matter.
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