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There is no such 'thing' as energy

There is no such 'thing' as energy.

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 "There is no such thing as matter. Everything is energy." Statements such as this are found in every modern physics textbook; but is energy a 'thing'? The material objects around us are manifest realities that have mass; but what do we mean by 'mass'? In general, it means that all objects near the Earth's surface possess weight, and also that they possess inertia. Mass is commonly defined as 'the amount of matter in a body', more accurately as 'the property of matter that measures its resistance to acceleration'. We can say that 'mass' is the quantification of matter that finds manifestation in weight and inertia. Both of these are observables: they can be detected, sensed, and measured; that is, quantified. They are qualities or properties of material objects that can be given a value on a scale of measurement. Similar statements are true of motion. Generally speaking, all objects around us are either stationary or in motion relative to us, as determined by observation. Motion is also a manifest reality that can be quantified. If we know the mass and motion of an object, we can make statements and deductions about it. A tennis ball rolling along level ground will slow down and stop, whereas on a slope it will continue to move. In either case, appropriate measurements allow us to calculate the ball's motion to any desired degree of accuracy using well-established mathematical statements, and to calculate much else besides: velocity, acceleration, force of impact and so on. These properties can be called parameters of the object from the Greek para meaning beside and metron meaning measure. Thus matter demonstrates mass, whilst radiation demonstrates motion; yet matter can also move, and radiation has an effective mass: both are fundamental components of Physical Reality. A most useful parameter of a material object is its momentum: the product of mass and velocity: p = mv. Although derived from mass and motion, momentum is not an observable, but a concept: a calculated parameter. Neither is it a manifest reality as are mass and motion. If an object's momentum changes, it is NOT the case that momentum has been added to or subtracted from it: rather has its mass or its motion changed, and the calculated value of its momentum changes accordingly. A similar parameter is kinetic energy. This, too, is a concept: a mathematical term naming the product of mass and the square of velocity: E = 1/2mv^2. What applies to momentum applies equally to kinetic energy, and to energy in general. It is a calculated quantity, neither an observable, nor a manifest reality. Energy cannot be added to or taken from an object; rather does it change in accord with mass, motion, position and composition. All calculation of energy requires the inclusion of a value for mass. If mass is unknown, energy cannot be calculated. Recall now the first statement of this post, "There is no such thing as matter. Everything is energy." To claim that matter and radiation are both energy is to replace manifest realities with a mathematical parameter, and this surely is absurd. It is true that all substance - sc. matter - is ultimately vibration, a contained, stationary resonance rather than the propagating vibrations of radiation; but vibration is not energy, even though it can be assigned an energetic value. In the case of electromagnetism, Planck's constant substitutes for the mechanical aspects of mass and motion: E = hf. In spite of the foregoing, energy has proved to be one of the most valuable concepts in modern science, which is undoubtedly why it has been reified: that is, turned into a 'thing'. For more than a century, scientists have treated it as an actual physical reality instead of as a useful concept. What is needed is a new conceptual understanding of mass and motion, rather than the claim that both are composed of concepts.
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The primordial energy is called as Mula Maya or Mula Prakruti
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 https://www.scienceforums.net/topic/...mula-prakruti/ 77) Mulaakaasharupatrayam mahaamaayaa . (The root space appears in three forms and these three forms are called as Maha Maya). The primordial energy is called as Mula Maya or Mula Prakruti, which is in the form of space. When this is condensed, it appears in the form of light etc. When this is further condensed, it appears in the form of matter through illusion as explained above. When the primordial energy or its form works in a special technology, such work is called as awareness. Therefore, awareness as work form, light etc., as condensed form and matter as intensively condensed form are the three forms of primordial energy. These three forms are called as Maha Maya.

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29-05-2018, 04:25 PM   #3
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Maya (ignorance) is a power within Brahman.
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 Brahman is the “fourth factor” (turiya), to use a term from the Mandukya Upanishad, or the pure awareness in which the three bodies appear and of which they are made. In this sense, we can say that the three bodies are Brahman/awareness/the self, but Brahman/awareness/the self is not the three bodies. That is, Brahman is the essential substance of the universe, but while all objects – gross and subtle – in the three-bodied “creation” depend upon Brahman for their existence, Brahman is unobjectifiable and self-existent and, thus, ever free of all objects. Maya (ignorance) is a power within Brahman. Because it is a power inherent in Brahman and, thus, essentially none other than Brahman in the same way that the wave is nothing other than the ocean, Maya is beginningless.
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 Hence, the worker of primordial energy can be only realized in the absolute plane and never in the relative plane. Hence, you cannot completely declare the primordial energy as an illusion since the worker of primordial energy is never realized in the relative plane. The worker of the primordial energy being realized as work is God Himself and since God cannot be realized in the relative plane, you cannot cross the illusion of primordial energy. Only God can cross this ultimate illusion of the primordial energy or Mula prakruti or Mula maya.

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Maya does have an end. Ignorance is removed, ended, eradicated by self-knowledge.
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 It must always be remembered that Maya is insentient and is simply the power of ignorance, which makes the universe appear real. Moreover, as has been pointed out, Maya is not actually a thing.

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Matter is an illusion created by the work of resistance of force in atoms

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 Matter is a form of work like the awareness

 29-05-2018, 09:58 PM #6 white light Senior Member   Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: B-lighty Posts: 14,602 Likes: 3,466 (2,421 Posts) You can measure the potential energy of an electrical battery using a voltmeter. When there is no energy the battery is dead and reads zero on the meter, if there is energy in the battery you get a volt reading on the meter. What is the energy doing when you are not using the battery? It is being stored as energy potential. Not energy itself as nothing is happening to describe an energetic event. However, hook the battery up to some electrical device and we can see that it does indeed store electrical energy.
 01-06-2018, 07:31 AM #7 edit Senior Member     Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 3,365 Likes: 4 (4 Posts) Where is the universe Is universe the storage brahman as awareness is ignorant -- about what? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignorance The word ignorant is an adjective that describes a person in the state of being unaware, and can describe individuals who do not deliberately ignore or disregard important information or facts, or individuals who are unaware of important information or facts. Ignorance can come in three different types: factual ignorance (absence of knowledge of some fact), objectual ignorance (unacquaintance with some object), and technical ignorance (absence of knowledge Where is the storage -- Universe? IBrahman means Awarenes Maya -Ignorance-
 01-06-2018, 11:08 PM #8 edit Senior Member     Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 3,365 Likes: 4 (4 Posts) https://sriramanamaharishi.com/talks...e-of-the-mind/ |< << < > >> >| Talk 97. 19th November, 1935 One Mr. Ramachandar, a gentleman from Ambala, asked where the Heart is and what Realisation is. M.: The Heart is not physical; it is spiritual. Hridayam = hrit + ayam - This is the centre. It is that from which thoughts arise, on which they subsist and where they are resolved. The thoughts are the content of the mind and, they shape the universe. The Heart is the centre of all. Yatova imani bhutani jayante (that from which these beings come into existence) etc. is said to be Brahman in the Upanishads. That is the Heart. Brahman is the Heart. D.: How to realise the Heart? M.: There is no one who even for a trice fails to experience the Self. For no one admits that he ever stands apart from the Self. He is the Self. The Self is the Heart. D.: It is not clear. M.: In deep sleep you exist; awake, you remain. The same Self is in both states. The difference is only in the awareness and the non-awareness of the world. The world rises with the mind and sets with the mind. That which rises and sets is not the Self. The Self is different, giving rise to the mind, sustaining it and resolving it. So the Self is the underlying principle. When asked who you are, you place your hand on the right side of the breast and say ‘I am’. There you involuntarily point out the Self. The Self is thus known. But the individual is miserable because he confounds the mind and the body with the Self. This confusion is due to wrong knowledge. Elimination of wrong knowledge is alone needed. Such elimination results in Realisation. D.: How to control the mind? M.: What is mind? Whose is the mind? D.: Mind always wanders. I cannot control it. M.: It is the nature of the mind to wander. You are not the mind. The mind springs up and sinks down. It is impermanent, transitory, whereas you are eternal. There is nothing but the Self. To inhere in the Self is the thing http://ramana-talk-mailer.appspot.co...=Talk&index=97
 01-06-2018, 11:11 PM #9 edit Senior Member     Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 3,365 Likes: 4 (4 Posts) Newton's corpuscular theory of light was based on simple theoretical ideas and experiments. Subsequent and more sophisticated experiments showed very clearly that light has a distinct particle nature http://sciexplorer.blogspot.com/2011...-of-light.html
 01-06-2018, 11:12 PM #10 edit Senior Member     Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 3,365 Likes: 4 (4 Posts) A p–n junction is a boundary or interface between two types of semiconductor materials, p-type and n-type, inside a single crystal of semiconductor https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-N_junction
 02-06-2018, 12:29 AM #11 edit Senior Member     Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 3,365 Likes: 4 (4 Posts) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBUH8BvLgb4 http://spokensanskrit.org/index.php?...k=dides&mode=3 http://sri-ramana-maharshi.blogspot....iptwriter.html Other than as thoughts, jiva [the individual self], Iswara and the world do not exist
 02-06-2018, 12:31 AM #12 edit Senior Member     Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 3,365 Likes: 4 (4 Posts) http://spokensanskrit.org/index.php?...akma&direct=se raja - king master malek satya - truth
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 02-06-2018, 01:04 AM #14 edit Senior Member     Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 3,365 Likes: 4 (4 Posts) https://www.quora.com/Are-the-simula...he-same-theory http://www.hinduism.co.za/consciousn...ree_states.htm Question:Is the world that is seen, felt and sensed by us in so many ways something like a dream, an illusion? Maharshi: There is no alternative for you but to accept the world as unreal if you are seeking the truth and the truth alone, for the simple reason that unless you give up the idea that the world is real your mind will always be after it. Last edited by edit; 02-06-2018 at 01:13 AM.
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Multiverses in 2012 & JZ KNIGHT - RAMTHA UFOS DNA & QUANTUM CONSCIOUSNESS

Liberation Vibration

Early “Mandela Effect” reference in the “Lunopolis” movie

Extraction through the Quantum Gateway

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 Whether or not this reality is a simulation, in one form or another, this is about the dynamic of consciousness and different rates of experience in different systems. For one system to transfer to another there must be a synchronization. There are tricks to get people to accept the simulations. The false after life is one.
Time travel and ancient civilization dream
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 ..When this controller got to the hall I was in he stopped debriefing once he noticed I could understand him. Its like everything he was saying before was encrypted and the walls filtered out what he didnt want us to hear. What I did understand from what he said before he stopped talking was: My group was doing recon in the past to find information that is needed for a bigger and longer mission into much farther into the past. They used peoples minds like AI in probing past timelines. The simulations arent fake, but we were being superimposed on past people. Like the show Quantum leap. As a group we could infiltrate a linked group of people in the past and with our collective minds we could retain ourselves as a master personality over our hosts that are native to the time line we visit. The entire experience was a dry run of an alternate timeline that we were somehow creating. It felt like I was doing something sneaky by not staying in my timeline. I followed the group back to the future and heard details about the big mission into the remote past. I didnt feel in trouble, but the controller person was nervous about ME being aware. When the talking or "debriefing" / downloading stopped, after the controller freaked out about me understanding him, I was dropped through a tube shaped room. It wasnt a fast and scary drop through a dark and narrow hole. It was a slow and gentle drift downward in a massive area with its own soft and seemingly natural light.

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How To Create Your Day Ramtha

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 What Ramtha is suggesting is that go within and speak with God at the beginning of your day. Wow, how cultish is that??

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 Loved this whole thing. We never had freedom to live life...

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D: The final state of Realization according to Advaita, is said to be the absolute Union with the Divine and according to Visishtadvaita, a qualified union, while Dvaita maintains that there is no union at all. Which of these should be considered the correct view?

M: Why speculate as to what will happen some time in the future? All are agreed that the 'I' exists. To whichever school of thought he may belong, let the
earnest seeker first find out what the 'I' is. Then it will be time enough to know what the final State will be, whether the 'I' will get merged in the Supreme
Being or stand apart from Him. Let us not forestall the conclusion, but keep an open mind.

D: But will not some understanding of the final state be a helpful guide even to the aspirant?

M: No purpose is served in trying to decide now what the final state of Realization will be. It has no intrinsic value.

D: Why so?

M: Because you proceed on a wrong principle. Your ascertainment has to depend on the intellect which shines only by the light it derives from the Self. Is it not presumptuous on the part of the intellect to sit in judgement over that of which it is but a limited manifestation, and from which it derives its little light?
How can the intellect which can never reach the Self be competent to ascertain, and much less decide the nature of the final state of Realization? It is like trying to measure the sunlight at its source by the standard of the light given by a candle. The wax will melt down before the candle comes anywhere near
the sun. Instead of indulging in mere speculation, devote yourself here and now to the search for the Truth that is ever within you.

Maharshi's Gospel
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Sri Bhagwan: Not to think 'I am Brahman' or 'All is Brahman' is itself jivanmukti

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akSara final beatitude religious austerity

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 .... When the mind is detached and casts Maya away, still it clings to the letter. Kabir says, ‘Listen to me, dear Sadhu! the true path is rarely found.’
– Kabir

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JZKnight 112409 part2

Eldon Taylor
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 J Z Knight continues her conversation with Eldon Taylor during part two of her Provocative Enlightenment interview. Catch all of the Provocative Enlightenment shows in the archives at EldonTaylor.com.
&...The 'ordainer’

A.I. (Artificial Intelligence) Topics. Part 1

God the scriptwriter

http://sri-ramana-maharshi.blogspot....iptwriter.html
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 ....First, the term ‘ordainer’ refers to Iswara, the generic personal God of Hinduism, and not to the unmanifest Self. The relationship between the two was explained by Bhagavan in Guru Vachaka Kovai, verses 449 and 1218: Other than as thoughts, jiva [the individual self], Iswara and the world do not exist. The unmoving basis, the screen, is Brahman. The moving pictures that appear on that unmoving screen are jiva, Iswara and the world. You should know that everything which is perceived [on the screen] is maya. The mind brings an illusory world into existence, dividing it into a seer and seen: a jiva who appears to inhabit the body, and an external world that is witnessed by it. When this projection takes place, Iswara, the God who supervises this creation, is also created. This God, the God who creates and sustains the world, is a mental creation, meaning that when the mind dies, the jiva, the world and God die with it, leaving Self alone.

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Young Pharaoh’s Extraterrestrial Quarantine and Oneness disconnection

Young Pharaoh’s Extraterrestrial Quarantine and Oneness disconnection
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 .....Some people start arguing because they feed off negative energy. This planet has become energetically disgusting and sick. Everybody has become a consumer. Long story short, all we do is consume, consume, consume. And we never put back. No has learned how to product let alone recycle what you’ve produced. You’re too busy consuming off of what somebody else is consuming spiritually. So this capitalistic consumer mentality all is in a range of keeping spiritually vibrating low, when life can be twenty times better. One cubic centimeter of space, right, has enough power to power America energy free for one year. That’s a centimeter of space? Do you know how Fucking BIG the space is in this God Damn planet? So why are we not utilizing what is known as zero point energy. To help upgrade the leaving circumstances of this planet, to better the life of people world wide. Because somebody wants to make a dollar. You know why, because your energy is still being put to valuing the dollar. So whatever you value is what somebody can hold over your head. So with that being said. If we value creating a better planet. Then we will start working towards that. ....

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