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Old 06-07-2014, 02:07 PM   #80701
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What gets me is the inference that the Westminster Paedophile ring was confined to the Thatcher era, when in fact it was extant long before Maggie was even born and long after she left office, right up until the present.
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Old 06-07-2014, 02:13 PM   #80702
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If Britain is questioned about the dossier, he will comit suicide? Alternatively he will be extinguished before he reveals names.

Thatcher was a hate figure in the UK, she destroyed the three main industries namely coal, motor and shipping. Most people had a job and a house for life despite very high interest rates which were in place to subsidise these unprofitable industries. Thatcher broke the monopoly of the unions and allowed Brits to buy their own council house which shattered the british communist state after the war. Thatcher is a hated figure.

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Old 06-07-2014, 02:51 PM   #80703
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What gets me is the inference that the Westminster Paedophile ring was confined to the Thatcher era, when in fact it was extant long before Maggie was even born and long after she left office, right up until the present.
"Mr McKelvie, who has compiled a dossier of evidence by speaking to alleged victims and care workers with whom they are in contact, does not suggest that any of the MPs and Lords colluded with each other."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...hile-ring.html

Peter McKelvie is, of course, the reason this is all appearing now in the press.
It was he who, working with Exaro/David Hencke & Tom Watson MP, set the wheels in motion. I did try to gently bring this fact to people's attention earlier, but it didn't go down at all well as the Moss "Documents" had already hijacked the case & unleashed an avalanche of bullshit, effectively drowning the truth.

No doubt when their poor old Twitter-fingers - which must be down to the bone by now! - have recovered the sincere apologies will flow!
[It's no longer "hidden" that it was McKelvie/Hencke/Exaro/Watson working together. And in fact, it never was... but some people see what they want to see, and others see only what they are "shown".]
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Old 06-07-2014, 03:35 PM   #80704
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Simon Danczuk: I was warned not to challenge Leon Brittan over paedophile dossier

The campaigning MP claims a Conservative minister told him not to name Leon Brittan in a parliamentary committee and suggested he could be responsible for his death if he did.

A campaigning MP was warned not to challenge Lord Brittan, the former Home Secretary, about what he knew about an alleged Westminster paedophile ring and was told he could be responsible for the Conservative peer’s death.

Simon Danczuk said a Conservative minister stepped in to warn him not to name Lord Brittan in a Parliamentary committee last week.

Mr Danczuk said that members of the Home Affairs select committee received similar phone calls ahead of his appearance on Tuesday.

Mr Danczuk decided to name Lord Brittan despite the warning. Speaking to the committee he questioned what had happened to a “bundle” of papers detailing an alleged Westminster paedophile ring that was passed to Lord Brittan when he was Home Secretary.

Lord Brittan has since said he passed the 40 page-dossier of papers on to Home Office officials to investigate.

An internal review of hundreds of files last year found 13 previously undisclosed “items of information" about alleged child abuse – including four implicating Home Office officials.

Mark Sedwill, who has been appointed by David Cameron to investigate claims of a Whitehall cover-up of political paedophiles, revealed that 114 potentially relevant files were “presumed destroyed, missing or not found".

An independent legal figure, expected to be a promised QC, is to be appointed to conduct a review of the Home Office’s handling of the case.

However Michael Gove ruled out a full public inquiry into the case.

Mr Danczuk described the warning that came after a vote in the House of Commons on Monday night when a Conservative minister “stepped out of the shadows” to confront him.

He said: “I’d never spoken to him before my life but he blocked my way and ushered me to one side.

“He warned me to think very carefully about what I was going to say the next day before the Home Affairs Select Committee when I’d be answering questions on child abuse.

“’I hear you’re about to challenge Lord Brittan about when he knew about child sex abuse,’ he said. ‘It wouldn’t be a wise move', he advised me. 'It was all put to bed a long time ago.’ He warned me I could even be responsible for his death.

“We looked at each other in silence for a second. I knew straight away he wasn’t telling me this out of concern or the man’s welfare. There was no compassion in his voice.


Writing in the Mail on Sunday, he added: “As politicians made their way out of Westminster, I had no doubt that other conversations like this were taking place.

“Indeed this was confirmed when I spoke to other members of the Select Committee the next day. They’d been paid similar visits. Phone calls had been made.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...e-dossier.html

Still those out there who are desperately trying to cover this up, but they are just too late.
Dear oh dear.
It's still happening today isn't it?

If this brave, rather junior MP can be pulled aside and warned in the corridor (like a little fag at some inbred public school), then it suggests that there are current activities which are being obscured.

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[Lord Tebbit] told BBC One’s Marr Show : 'At that time I think most people would have thought that the establishment, the system, was to be protected and if a few things had gone wrong here and there that it was more important to protect the system than to delve too far into it.

'That view, I think, was wrong then and it is spectacularly shown to be wrong because the abuses have grown.'


More...
Leon Brittan is quizzed over teen rape claim: Ex-Home Secretary accused of attacking student in his flat
New twist in Westminster scandal: 114 secret files on paedophile cases missing, admits Government
Call for a public inquiry into historic child abuse: Forget the expenses scandal.
If MPs have harboured paedophiles, the damage to British democracy will be fatal says MP SIMON DANCZUK


Asked if there had been a ‘big political cover-up’ 30 years ago, Lord Tebbit replied: ‘I think there may well have been but it was almost unconscious. It was the thing that people did at that time.

‘You didn’t talk about those sorts of things. It is not the sort of thing that people did. Not even if I may say so, television journalists, let alone the politicians.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rd-Tebbit.html

THEIR system is more important than OUR CHILDREN?? Our future....?

I would add that this corruption has festered and grown to such horrific proportions now that just about anything a decent, law-abiding citizen tries to tackle in the way of abusive public authorities is denied and this 'protect our system' mental mentality immediately kicks in.

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Old 06-07-2014, 04:48 PM   #80705
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Old 06-07-2014, 04:54 PM   #80706
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perhaps norman tebbit would like to elaborate a bit more about exactly what it is he knows
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Old 06-07-2014, 05:05 PM   #80707
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perhaps norman tebbit would like to elaborate a bit more about exactly what it is he knows
He's already revealed masses in his interview today, takes it to a whole different level.

He said it did happen and was covered up to protect the establishment and the system which was a huge mistake as the abuse 'has got worse'. He could have focused on history cases, burying them in the past, but he's admitting its still going on in Westminster today, and its worse than it was then! Amazing!
It needs a national/public inquiry like Hillsborough, not some 'distinguished' judge who's a mate with them all.

Like the pic of Tebbit with Savile, good find!
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Old 06-07-2014, 05:45 PM   #80708
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so he knew all this and said nothing until now

get him in the dock with the rest of them
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Old 06-07-2014, 06:26 PM   #80709
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Bill Maloney & Chris Fay update

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeAc6...ature=youtu.be

Caution: Upsetting so only watch if you feel able.
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Old 06-07-2014, 07:39 PM   #80710
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Petition by Tom Watson which needs signing by as many people as possible. Over 35,000 signatures already and only been going less than a day. Please sign if you care about all that we have discussed here, we have to show Government how much we care about this issue.

As Tom Watson said "People power got child abuse on the political agenda. Please can you now help get a UK abuse inquiry?"

Establish a national inquiry into allegations of organised child abuse

For the past two years I've been working with a cross party group of MPs, survivors and experts looking into allegations of child abuse which may have involved senior Westminster and Whitehall figures in the 1970s and 80s.

This week it has emerged that files detailing the allegations have gone missing.

Many survivors of child abuse believe they have been let down by system of child protection in the UK.

Thousands had nowhere to turn. Nobody listened and nobody helped.

The missing Home Office files and the failure of previous police and local authority inquiries has meant that MPs from all the political parties have supported calls for an overarching national inquiry.

Government should make amends for historic failures to act by establishing an independent national inquiry into organised child abuse.

We owe it to the survivors. They expect nothing less.

Please sign the petition now. Takes 2 mins and will be the best thing you have done all week. Thank you.

Also keep writing to your MPs, 142 MPs so far and rising.

Edit: https://www.change.org/petitions/dav...ed-child-abuse
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Old 06-07-2014, 07:56 PM   #80711
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Petition by Tom Watson which needs signing by as many people as possible. Over 35,000 signatures already and only been going less than a day. Please sign if you care about all that we have discussed here, we have to show Government how much we care about this issue.

As Tom Watson said "People power got child abuse on the political agenda. Please can you now help get a UK abuse inquiry?"

Establish a national inquiry into allegations of organised child abuse

For the past two years I've been working with a cross party group of MPs, survivors and experts looking into allegations of child abuse which may have involved senior Westminster and Whitehall figures in the 1970s and 80s.

This week it has emerged that files detailing the allegations have gone missing.

Many survivors of child abuse believe they have been let down by system of child protection in the UK.

Thousands had nowhere to turn. Nobody listened and nobody helped.

The missing Home Office files and the failure of previous police and local authority inquiries has meant that MPs from all the political parties have supported calls for an overarching national inquiry.

Government should make amends for historic failures to act by establishing an independent national inquiry into organised child abuse.

We owe it to the survivors. They expect nothing less.

Please sign the petition now. Takes 2 mins and will be the best thing you have done all week. Thank you.

Also keep writing to your MPs, 142 MPs so far and rising.

Is there a link for the petition please
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Old 06-07-2014, 08:01 PM   #80712
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Hi All

the link is;(sorry it is a bit long)

https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitio...tfZ24UOtKWRoP2
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Old 06-07-2014, 08:07 PM   #80713
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Hi All

the link is;(sorry it is a bit long)

https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitio...tfZ24UOtKWRoP2

Thank you and done.
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Old 06-07-2014, 08:37 PM   #80714
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A Labour peer is being investigated by police after 12 men made allegations of historical child abuse against him, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

Sources close to the investigation last night said that the ‘horrific’ allegations include rape and serious sexual assault.

It is understood the alleged abuse took place over several decades. The Mail on Sunday has chosen not to name the peer being investigated.

It is understood that a file containing the accusations has been sent to the Crown Prosecution Service.

Police also last night confirmed the peer has not been arrested or questioned about the allegations.

They refused to comment on the age of the victims when the abuse took place.

A source close to the investigation said: ‘These are some of the most horrific child abuse allegations you can imagine.’

Another source said: ‘The sexual abuse that the peer has been accused of is extremely worrying. The allegations are harrowing and must have affected the vulnerable boys significantly in later life.

‘It is becoming clear there is a problem with historic sex abuse in Parliament and the police have to be allowed access to all the information needed to investigate these allegations.

'It is beginning to look like Westminster is above the law. It is important that these allegations are investigated thoroughly.’

The shocking development comes as the Home Office last night said that it would appoint a senior legal figure to carry out a fresh review into how a dossier alleging paedophile activity at Westminster in the 1980s was handled by the department.

The Prime Minister last week ordered further investigation after it was revealed the Home Office lost or destroyed a potentially explosive dossier given to Home Secretary Sir Leon Brittan by the late campaigning Conservative MP Geoffrey Dickens.

The investigation into the peer comes in the wake of the Jimmy Savile scandal and shocking revelations concerning Cyril Smith, the disgraced Liberal Democrat MP, and Labour links to the Paedophile Information Exchange group, which wanted to legalise sex with children.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz36iqX1U90

I'm guessing when the police have finished conducting their investigation into horrific child abuse by this peer of the realm, that he will be arrested and jailed?

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the link is;(sorry it is a bit long)

https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitio...tfZ24UOtKWRoP2
Oops, thank you new poster, Essnumerology, and welcome to the thread
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hmm,
whats really needed here is a 'robust', 'full and independant public inquiry', with 'no stone left unturned', 'lessons must be learned' blah blah blah fucking blah
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Old 06-07-2014, 08:53 PM   #80717
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Plumber states he found child porn stashed under the floorboards of Rolf Harris's house in 1970s

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...FNfKa8.twitter
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hmm,
whats really needed here is a 'robust', 'full and independant public inquiry', with 'no stone left unturned', 'lessons must be learned' blah blah blah fucking blah
Masonic Whitewash Cover-Up Code 101.
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Old 06-07-2014, 10:02 PM   #80719
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Bill Maloney & Chris Fay update

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeAc6...ature=youtu.be

Caution: Upsetting so only watch if you feel able.
I felt sick and disgusted when I heard what had happened to the 8 year old boy. It is so vile and evil that you can't even begin to understand why anyone could do something that cruel. Part of you doesn't want to hear it but you know that in order to stop it happening to others the truth has to be put out into the public domain.

I have spent sometime going through the thread and would like to thank all those who have contributed because without this thread a lot of people would not be aware of the extent of the issue, including me.

Apologies if this is off topic but the other side of this is that there maybe people in power (or have been in power) making vital decisions, which affect national/ European and world politics, who because of their distasteful personal activities could be leaned upon to make 'the right decision' for interested parties.

This means that even if you are not directly affected by child abuse we may all be affected by policies made because someone would like to keep their name out of the press!!

Any policy etc put in place by guilty individuals whether dead or alive should be scrutinised.
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I felt sick and disgusted when I heard what had happened to the 8 year old boy. It is so vile and evil that you can't even begin to understand why anyone could do something that cruel. Part of you doesn't want to hear it but you know that in order to stop it happening to others the truth has to be put out into the public domain.

I have spent sometime going through the thread and would like to thank all those who have contributed because without this thread a lot of people would not be aware of the extent of the issue, including me.

Apologies if this is off topic but the other side of this is that there maybe people in power (or have been in power) making vital decisions, which affect national/ European and world politics, who because of their distasteful personal activities could be leaned upon to make 'the right decision' for interested parties.

This means that even if you are not directly affected by child abuse we may all be affected by policies made because someone would like to keep their name out of the press!!

Any policy etc put in place by guilty individuals whether dead or alive should be scrutinised.
Really good to see you posting, Ess, you are right that although this is upsetting, it is important that we no longer ignore. The power of good people when they work together is immeasurable x
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