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Old 14-05-2018, 09:12 PM   #1
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https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...south-14657462

https://www.aviationwales.com/the-no...welsh-valleys/


Does anyone have any information about this plane and what it was doing?

They say it has been circling Wales all day spraying water across the valleys.

Supposedly testing a 'chemical spreading system'......

But if it is for oil spills why test it out over a populated area and not the sea?

If it is actually dropping water then we should be able to compare what normal plane trails look like compared to
when they are spraying and prove one way or the other about chemtrails.

I hope people took photos.

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https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...south-14657462

https://www.aviationwales.com/the-no...welsh-valleys/


Does anyone have any information about this plane and what it was doing?

They say it has been circling Wales all day spraying water across the valleys.

Supposedly testing a 'chemical spreading system'......

But if it is for oil spills why test it out over a populated area and not the sea?

If it is actually dropping water then we should be able to compare what normal plane trails look like compared to
when they are spraying and prove one way or the other about chemtrails.

I hope people took photos.
well spotted..
Have to keep our eyes open regarding south Wales over the next few weeks/months..
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obviously they now need to use low level, more concentrated chem trails what else could it be?

Maybe they now see the welsh as being particularly dangerous to the project and need to re arrange their minds faster than everyone else?
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obviously they now need to use low level, more concentrated chem trails what else could it be?

Maybe they now see the welsh as being particularly dangerous to the project and need to re arrange their minds faster than everyone else?
I dont know?
what do you think it could be?

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Much of Britain was exposed to bacteria sprayed in secret trials
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The Ministry of Defence turned large parts of the country into a giant laboratory to conduct a series of secret germ warfare tests on the public.
A government report just released provides for the first time a comprehensive official history of Britain's biological weapons trials between 1940 and 1979.

Many of these tests involved releasing potentially dangerous chemicals and micro-organisms over vast swaths of the population without the public being told.

While details of some secret trials have emerged in recent years, the 60-page report reveals new information about more than 100 covert experiments.


The report reveals that military personnel were briefed to tell any 'inquisitive inquirer' the trials were part of research projects into weather and air pollution.

The tests, carried out by government scientists at Porton Down, were designed to help the MoD assess Britain's vulnerability if the Russians were to have released clouds of deadly germs over the country.

In most cases, the trials did not use biological weapons but alternatives which scientists believed would mimic germ warfare and which the MoD claimed were harmless. But families in certain areas of the country who have children with birth defects are demanding a public inquiry.

One chapter of the report, 'The Fluorescent Particle Trials', reveals how between 1955 and 1963 planes flew from north-east England to the tip of Cornwall along the south and west coasts, dropping huge amounts of zinc cadmium sulphide on the population. The chemical drifted miles inland, its fluorescence allowing the spread to be monitored. In another trial using zinc cadmium sulphide, a generator was towed along a road near Frome in Somerset where it spewed the chemical for an hour.

While the Government has insisted the chemical is safe, cadmium is recognised as a cause of lung cancer and during the Second World War was considered by the Allies as a chemical weapon.

In another chapter, 'Large Area Coverage Trials', the MoD describes how between 1961 and 1968 more than a million people along the south coast of England, from Torquay to the New Forest, were exposed to bacteria including e.coli and bacillus globigii , which mimics anthrax. These releases came from a military ship, the Icewhale, anchored off the Dorset coast, which sprayed the micro-organisms in a five to 10-mile radius.

The report also reveals details of the DICE trials in south Dorset between 1971 and 1975. These involved US and UK military scientists spraying into the air massive quantities of serratia marcescens bacteria, with an anthrax simulant and phenol.

Similar bacteria were released in 'The Sabotage Trials' between 1952 and 1964. These were tests to determine the vulnerability of large government buildings and public transport to attack. In 1956 bacteria were released on the London Underground at lunchtime along the Northern Line between Colliers Wood and Tooting Broadway. The results show that the organism dispersed about 10 miles. Similar tests were conducted in tunnels running under government buildings in Whitehall.

Experiments conducted between 1964 and 1973 involved attaching germs to the threads of spiders' webs in boxes to test how the germs would survive in different environments. These tests were carried out in a dozen locations across the country, including London's West End, Southampton and Swindon. The report also gives details of more than a dozen smaller field trials between 1968 and 1977.

In recent years, the MoD has commissioned two scientists to review the safety of these tests. Both reported that there was no risk to public health, although one suggested the elderly or people suffering from breathing illnesses may have been seriously harmed if they inhaled sufficient quantities of micro-organisms.

However, some families in areas which bore the brunt of the secret tests are convinced the experiments have led to their children suffering birth defects, physical handicaps and learning difficulties.

David Orman, an army officer from Bournemouth, is demanding a public inquiry. His wife, Janette, was born in East Lulworth in Dorset, close to where many of the trials took place. She had a miscarriage, then gave birth to a son with cerebral palsy. Janette's three sisters, also born in the village while the tests were being carried out, have also given birth to children with unexplained problems, as have a number of their neighbours.

The local health authority has denied there is a cluster, but Orman believes otherwise. He said: 'I am convinced something terrible has happened. The village was a close-knit community and to have so many birth defects over such a short space of time has to be more than coincidence.'

Successive governments have tried to keep details of the germ warfare tests secret. While reports of a number of the trials have emerged over the years through the Public Records Office, this latest MoD document - which was released to Liberal Democrat MP Norman Baker - gives the fullest official version of the biological warfare trials yet.

Baker said: 'I welcome the fact that the Government has finally released this information, but question why it has taken so long. It is unacceptable that the public were treated as guinea pigs without their knowledge, and I want to be sure that the Ministry of Defence's claims that these chemicals and bacteria used were safe is true.'

The MoD report traces the history of the UK's research into germ warfare since the Second World War when Porton Down produced five million cattle cakes filled with deadly anthrax spores which would have been dropped in Germany to kill their livestock. It also gives details of the infamous anthrax experiments on Gruinard on the Scottish coast which left the island so contaminated it could not be inhabited until the late 1980s.

The report also confirms the use of anthrax and other deadly germs on tests aboard ships in the Caribbean and off the Scottish coast during the 1950s. The document states: 'Tacit approval for simulant trials where the public might be exposed was strongly influenced by defence security considerations aimed obviously at restricting public knowledge. An important corollary to this was the need to avoid public alarm and disquiet about the vulnerability of the civil population to BW [biological warfare] attack.'

Sue Ellison, spokeswoman for Porton Down, said: 'Independent reports by eminent scientists have shown there was no danger to public health from these releases which were carried out to protect the public.

'The results from these trials_ will save lives, should the country or our forces face an attack by chemical and biological weapons.'

Asked whether such tests are still being carried out, she said: 'It is not our policy to discuss ongoing research.'

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Im not saying this went on, that why I said we should keep an eye on things.
The fact is this has happened in the past, and the way the establishment have been allowing unvetted men from war zones and terrorist backgrounds to flood into our country in large numbers would suggest that they have little regard for the little mans well being or safety.
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Old 15-05-2018, 09:58 AM   #6
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Why fly all the way from Coventry to spray over a populated area during a time when kids walk home from school?

Who allowed this to happen?

Water or not it proves they can spray anything on us whenever they like.

If there is a virus or trees start dying over the upper part of South Wales we'll know where it came from...

People felt water landing on them....let's hope it was rain...

If it wasn't dodgy why didn't they warn people it was going to happen?

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Investigate this organisation? Reconnaissance Ventures
Reconnaissance Ventures Limited Group provides specialist aviation services to private and government organizations in the United Kingdom. The company operates and maintains a fleet of aircraft. Its services include aerial surveillance and survey; passenger and cargo ad hoc and long-term charter; engineering; aircraft handling and support; temporary and permanent aircraft modifications for project work; and aerial spraying of pollution dispersants. The company was founded in 2007 and is based in Derby, United Kingdom.


A spokesman for Natural Resources Wales - a Welsh Government sponsored body - said the plane was testing "a chemical spreading system that's usually meant for tackling pollution incidents at sea".

"The plane is only spreading fresh water for this trial run but it’s normal use would be to spread a chemical that breaks down pollution in the sea before it can reach the shore," the spokesman said.

Reporters asked Natural Resources Wales to tell us more about the system and why the south Wales valleys were chosen as a testing area, but are still awaiting a response.

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So as long as you can hire a plane and it's harmless freshwater you can spray the population then. No organisation to do checking? What about the environmental agency? Don't they have to seek a permission or at least make a courtesy call?

I bet you, if someone sprayed waster over a house of elite using a radio controlled balloon, they won't be happy.

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So as long as you can hire a plane and it's harmless freshwater you can spray the population then. No organisation to do checking? What about the environmental agency? Don't they have to seek a permission or at least make a courtesy call?

I bet you, if someone sprayed waster over a house of elite using a radio controlled balloon, they won't be happy.
I agree. And what if they use tanks that they previously used chemicals in? Who checked for that?
And even if they spray in the mountains I've never been for a walk and not come across people - plus all the sheep that are up there etc...

They must have had permission - Probably given by someone not living in South Wales.

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Do you even read the stuff you post!!?

The TINY plane wasn't spraying ANYTHING.

"Initially, the body had thought" the flight was testing a chemical spreading system in a project alongside the Maritime Coastguard Agency, however it is now confirmed that it was an unrelated project.

A spokeswoman for the MCA said: "In order to test the Maritime & Coastguard Agency’s (MCA) Oil Spill Response capabilities, an exercise was planned off the coast of Wales on Friday 11 May to test the MCA’s new Boeing 737 aerial dispersant aircraft.

"The exercise was planned as a training exercise to demonstrate the aircraft’s unique dispersant spray capability, spraying fresh water to simulate the application of dispersant in a real incident.

"The exercise did not go ahead as planned on Friday and a new date is yet to be confirmed.""


It's for a bloody 737 anyway...not a Cessna.

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Do you even read the stuff you post!!?

The TINY plane wasn't spraying ANYTHING.

"Initially, the body had thought" the flight was testing a chemical spreading system in a project alongside the Maritime Coastguard Agency, however it is now confirmed that it was an unrelated project.

A spokeswoman for the MCA said: "In order to test the Maritime & Coastguard Agency’s (MCA) Oil Spill Response capabilities, an exercise was planned off the coast of Wales on Friday 11 May to test the MCA’s new Boeing 737 aerial dispersant aircraft.

"The exercise was planned as a training exercise to demonstrate the aircraft’s unique dispersant spray capability, spraying fresh water to simulate the application of dispersant in a real incident.

"The exercise did not go ahead as planned on Friday and a new date is yet to be confirmed.""


It's for a bloody 737 anyway...not a Cessna.
Erm I live in Wales so have facebook friends that actually saw it spraying ' up over the mountains and over areas where people live -

Don't you read the stuff I post? Since then
a spokesman for Natural Resources Wales - a Welsh Government sponsored body - said the plane was testing "a chemical spreading system that's usually meant for tackling pollution incidents at sea".
"The plane is only spreading fresh water for this trial run but it’s normal use would be to spread a chemical that breaks down pollution in the sea before it can reach the shore," the spokesman said.

So yes it did fly - yes it did spray - no we were not informed before it happened - yes they came all the way from Coventry to do it - and no we have no clue if it was water - we just have their word. And they lied about it when the story first came out as you have quite rightly highlighted.

The point is - they can spray our children at school home time without informing us first - if you trust them that's up to you but as 'the nine' has previously stated - they have sprayed the population with chemicals before for 'tests' .

2 things - 1st - they should get people's permission to spray on populated areas no matter what it is.
2nd - we can use photos of what spraying looks like and compare it to chemtrail photos and debunk or prove that theory - if anyone got good photos. There are always trails over that area so it would be useful and scientific to compare would it not?

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Erm I live in Wales so have facebook friends that actually saw it spraying ' up over the mountains and over areas where people live -

Don't you read the stuff I post? Since then
a spokesman for Natural Resources Wales - a Welsh Government sponsored body - said the plane was testing "a chemical spreading system that's usually meant for tackling pollution incidents at sea".
"The plane is only spreading fresh water for this trial run but it’s normal use would be to spread .....
Nope. The plane was too small to even carry a workable amount of water. Someone has got their wires crossed.

Follow the link in your quote Here...

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.c...r-14659543.amp

To Wales online and it confirms the plane was doing no such thing.
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Nope. The plane was too small to even carry a workable amount of water. Someone has got their wires crossed.

Follow the link in your quote Here...

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.c...r-14659543.amp

To Wales online and it confirms the plane was doing no such thing.
So you believe news stories over local witnesses?
Do you think all those welsh witnesses were mass hallucinating the same plane spraying the valleys at the same time then?
Or just lyers on face book?
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So you believe news stories over local witnesses?
I believe the account of the company who sent the plane. The inept media reporting is why there is confusion. I suspect the eye witnesses heard about the news story and decided then what they "saw". Eye witness accounts of a small plane at 4000 ft spraying liquid is a ridiculous claim. How much bloody liquid do you think a Cessna can carry. ...ffs...it would be lucky to carry enough for 30 seconds spraying!

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Do you think all those welsh witnesses were mass hallucinating the same plane spraying the valleys at the same time then?
Or just lyers on face book?
What witnesses are you referring to? My mate said his mate knows some people on Facebook who say they saw some plane and it was flying round in circles spraying manure.

Hearsay.

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I believe the account of the company who sent the plane. The inept media reporting is why there is confusion. I suspect the eye witnesses heard about the news story and decided then what they "saw". Eye witness accounts of a small plane at 4000 ft spraying liquid is a ridiculous claim. How much bloody liquid do you think a Cessna can carry. ...ffs...it would be lucky to carry enough for 30 seconds spraying!



What witnesses are you referring to? My mate said his mate knows some people on Facebook who say they saw some plane and it was flying round in circles spraying manure.

Hearsay.
RVL on their website says they provide airbourne delivery of dispersant fluid upon mineral oil spills.
http://rvl-group.com/project/case-study-mca/

And why would the government sponsored body Natural Resources Wales say they were spraying water to the press after people made a fuss about it?

I'm stating facts - to back it up we have first hand eye witness accounts of more than one person plus the flight path was shown on the news.

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I'm stating facts - to back it up we have first hand eye witness accounts of more than one person plus the flight path was shown on the news.
Oh please, no more facts...
Before you know it, the population will wake up and find out that something is terribly wrong!


This looks like an excersise into spraying the sort of toxics they did to make the 2010 Gulf of Mexico oil spill into an even bigger disaster: https://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=315148


(not) In the news today: https://www.alternet.org/bps-toxic-g...r-human-health
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I believe the account of the company who sent the plane. The inept media reporting is why there is confusion. I suspect the eye witnesses heard about the news story and decided then what they "saw". Eye witness accounts of a small plane at 4000 ft spraying liquid is a ridiculous claim. How much bloody liquid do you think a Cessna can carry. ...ffs...it would be lucky to carry enough for 30 seconds spraying!



What witnesses are you referring to? My mate said his mate knows some people on Facebook who say they saw some plane and it was flying round in circles spraying manure.

Hearsay.
Back in the day when they were conducting tests on the British population...
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In another chapter, 'Large Area Coverage Trials', the MoD describes how between 1961 and 1968 more than a million people along the south coast of England, from Torquay to the New Forest, were exposed to bacteria including e.coli and bacillus globigii , which mimics anthrax. These releases came from a military ship, the Icewhale, anchored off the Dorset coast, which sprayed the micro-organisms in a five to 10-mile radius.
Do you think if people would have enquired what they were spraying, the fronted companies would have said "we are spraying the unwitting populous with various biological agents and chemicals to monitor the spread in real time of the ill public..."

I feel for your naivety regarding officialdom, perhaps you too will wake up one day and realise that big money doesn't actually have your best interests at heart, and that the pursuit of profit and power are their only real objectives.
Laws and people are a hindrance to profit maximisation .

Incidentally, was you brought up with a very strict father who beat obedience to authority into you as a child?
Not an ad hominem, a genuine question
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Do you think if people would have enquired what they were spraying, the fronted companies would have said "we are spraying the unwitting populous with various biological agents and chemicals to monitor the spread in real time of the ill public..."
well said!

no they wouldn't tell people anything

there has been spraying of remote parts of scotland at times in the past sometimes from helicopters and they claim they are spraying salt water to kill off the bracken

i don't know if that's true or not though or just a cover story
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