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Old 08-04-2011, 07:19 PM   #41
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No it's not.. you got to blame the one that is responsible, not yourself.

People have been conditioned to blame themselves for their suffering
all over the world, be it through the concept of sin or karma or something
else. It is that situation of self-blame that stagnates humanity's evolution
to a great extent.

Often people that believe in false concepts like sin and karma are blaming
themselves for situations and suffering they have absolutely no responsiblity
for, and that prevents these wounds from healing. Because if you blame
yourself, you have no reason to forgive the guilty party, and without real
forgiveness, no wound can heal. So people are stuck in continous cycle of
rewounding life after life.
Well said BTW.
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Old 08-04-2011, 07:22 PM   #42
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I think I got it, did you get my reply?
Just found your reply,many thanks
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Old 08-04-2011, 07:25 PM   #43
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The only 2 words that did not sit comfortably were 'tolerate' (instead of allowing)
and 'sacrifice' instead of freely give.
I don't really see the difference..

Sacrificing yourself simply means you place others before yourself
even if it means you have to suffer and/or die. Many good people
sacrifice themselves for the healing of the Earth and humanity.

They freely give all they have to serve great or small causes, but
all equally valuable for the Light. I once sacrificed myself thousands
of years ago when I traded life after life of agony in return for an
attempt to try and save dark souls from prison realms.

I made a deal with a demon mage to give me access into these hell
realms, to try and rescue those dark souls who were trapped and
punished and tortured by their masters, or captured by rival factions.
In return I spend all next lives feeling the pain of those souls, and I
didn't even manage to help any of those souls, because the Light
has no way yet to save dark souls from their own kind.. apart from
transforming them into Light souls in rare and difficult situations.

That is a sacrifice.. that's the definition of a sacrifice. A friend of
mine took on the blocks of one of our soul family members, so she
was born with her own blocks and those of the other, carrying the
double amount of woundings and blocks, making her life extremely
difficult. That too is a sacrifice..

If a soul tries to be born but finds out it is too weakened, but its
wounds are already imprinted on the developing life in the womb, it
may ask a member of its soul family to be a walk-in soul and take
her place in the womb.. the walk-in also then carries double blocks
and woundings, and lives an extremely difficult life. That also is a
sacrifice.

Freely given isn't an opposite of sacrifice.. you can freely sacrifice
yourself to for someone you love. Dark souls may sacrifice themselves
to another dark soul, but they will only do it if they get something in
return.

So Light souls freely sacrifice themselves for others.
Dark souls demand payment for their sacrifice.

But in general, dark souls sacrifice others to help themselves.
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Old 08-04-2011, 07:26 PM   #44
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You seem to be completely holed up in this total self-responsibility concept,
you project it onto every discussion, maybe you should consider some other
possibilities once in a while.

You would be correct if we were the creators of all situations we experience,
but we're not. So a lot of situations will remain unsolved if you always keep
blaming yourself for everything that happens.

It's also very offensive to keep telling people they're responsible for their
own pain. Most people are in no way responsible for their suffering, not
even in the slightest. Humans have self-preservation reflexes, they tend
to do all they can to prevent getting hurt.. it makes absolutely no sense
to blame everyone for their own misery when the causes are clearly
external.

What made you believe in this total self responsibility concept?

Being in a victim mentality will help no one, but blaming yourself for things
that are out of your control is very damaging to the healing process, and
then blaming others for their suffering causes extra pain to those people
if they read your posts.

If someone is punched in the face, the puncher is responsible, period. We
are responsible for the physical and mental and emotional pain we cause
to others. You can't insult someone and then say it's their own fault for
letting it get to them.. it's your responsibility, no one else's.

What about law of attraction? It is my experience that people who get punched in the face are thinking violent thoughts. Why do some women keep attracting abusive partners? I thought accepting this means you are no longer a victim and can take control - that said the whole 'law of attraction' thing seems incomplete somehow


About past lives, you should really look into some of the American science
studies into reincarnation. The only possible conclusion that can be drawn
from those studies, is that linear reincarnation is real. Many explanations
were scrutinized and investigated, but many cases could only possible be
explained by the reality of chronological reincarnation, and these studies
include hard physical evidence.

The scientists that made these studies started out wanting to disprove
the existence of reincarnation and expose all claims of past life memories
as false, but all of them ended up believing in reincarnation because the
evidence was extremely compelling.
Sorry, Im only asking as am interested in what you write
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Old 08-04-2011, 07:28 PM   #45
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The law of attraction really doesn't work like that.

The law of attraction just means that if you indulge in negativity, you will attract negativity.
Or if you think positive thoughts, you attract and become open to positive energies. The law
of attraction doesn't rule your reality, it only has a limited impact on your life.

People have free will, someone can choose to punch a random person in the face, without
that person having thought any negative thoughts, without having done anything to attract
being punched in the face.. that is free will.

So the law of attraction definitely does not mean people attract their own misery and are to
blame for the suffering they endure in their lives. They endure suffering because of how our
society is built and because of indirect or direct manipulation from physical or spiritual beings
and energies.

How some people define the law of attraction is quite disgusting, even when a baby is abused
they will put the blame with the baby.. I can't help it, but that kind of dark, backward thinking
is very hard for me to digest.. such claims are devoid of any love and compassion and wisdom.

The law of attraction doesn't dictate our reality, it just means that being positive helps a little
to achieve positive results, and being negative helps achieving negative results, but most of
the time there are no results at all, because there are many other factors who create our
reality, and they have a far greater impact than the law of attraction will ever have.

The law of attraction is the smallest of all factors that affect how our reality plays out. Most
of the time it has no effect on our reality at all.. because the other factors completely take
the bunk of the influence. Say the law of attraction affects between 1% and 5% of how our
reality plays out.. depending on how intense your situation is.

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Old 08-04-2011, 07:32 PM   #46
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It is what you believe. They tell us that we agreed to forget but what if it is a big lie designed to control us. Have you considered to questions those beliefs? Does that belief help us to advance spiritually or keep us stuck? When we look around we see pain, suffering, anger, and hate but people are talking about spirituality. What kind of spirituality is that? Are we really here to suffer? Or it was a lie to keep us in line.
I don't find it hard to entertain that idea. I can see this "you create your own reality" thing, although packaged as empowering, could just be another form of blame/guilt to keep us in the negative cycle. I mean, there really is some messed up stuff going on, and explaining good/bad experience in the context of some spiritual game, which we control, is becoming harder for me to accept - thought i know there are elements of truth.
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Old 08-04-2011, 07:53 PM   #47
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I'm still reading, damn you write well. Still on pg 4 (am a slow reader)

I guess the whole light vs dark thing is what I struggled with due to the biblical connotations.

THe veil of amnesia - i just rolled with the idea that we all 'agreed' to it. I decided it was better for my immediate business/finances to try and embrace the law of attraction 'its all happening for a reason' mentality. That said it doesnt come naturally, the amnesia makes me feel powerless and Im bored of it to be frank.
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Old 08-04-2011, 07:58 PM   #48
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I don't find it hard to entertain that idea. I can see this "you create your own reality" thing, although packaged as empowering, could just be another form of blame/guilt to keep us in the negative cycle. I mean, there really is some messed up stuff going on, and explaining good/bad experience in the context of some spiritual game, which we control, is becoming harder for me to accept - thought i know there are elements of truth.
I hear you. I went through it too. It was a quite intense questioning process and highly emotionally charged. It is my experience and the experience I have observed in others that we do arrive at the place of inner knowing. Just hang on.
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Old 08-04-2011, 08:03 PM   #49
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I'm still reading, damn you write well. Still on pg 4 (am a slow reader)

I guess the whole light vs dark thing is what I struggled with due to the biblical connotations.

THe veil of amnesia - i just rolled with the idea that we all 'agreed' to it. I decided it was better for my immediate business/finances to try and embrace the law of attraction 'its all happening for a reason' mentality. That said it doesnt come naturally, the amnesia makes me feel powerless and Im bored of it to be frank.
That's why it's important to have our past life blocks removed, so the
effects of the amnesia start to wear off, and disappear entirely in our
next incarnation. Once the blocks are gone, in your next life you will
be born knowing exactly who you are and remembering your past lives,
as that is the way it is meant to be.

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Old 08-04-2011, 08:07 PM   #50
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I don't really see the difference..

Sacrificing yourself simply means you place others before yourself
even if it means you have to suffer and/or die. Many good people
sacrifice themselves for the healing of the Earth and humanity.

They freely give all they have to serve great or small causes, but
all equally valuable for the Light. I once sacrificed myself thousands
of years ago when I traded life after life of agony in return for an
attempt to try and save dark souls from prison realms.

I made a deal with a demon mage to give me access into these hell
realms, to try and rescue those dark souls who were trapped and
punished and tortured by their masters, or captured by rival factions.
In return I spend all next lives feeling the pain of those souls, and I
didn't even manage to help any of those souls, because the Light
has no way yet to save dark souls from their own kind.. apart from
transforming them into Light souls in rare and difficult situations.

That is a sacrifice.. that's the definition of a sacrifice. A friend of
mine took on the blocks of one of our soul family members, so she
was born with her own blocks and those of the other, carrying the
double amount of woundings and blocks, making her life extremely
difficult. That too is a sacrifice..

If a soul tries to be born but finds out it is too weakened, but its
wounds are already imprinted on the developing life in the womb, it
may ask a member of its soul family to be a walk-in soul and take
her place in the womb.. the walk-in also then carries double blocks
and woundings, and lives an extremely difficult life. That also is a
sacrifice.

Freely given isn't an opposite of sacrifice.. you can freely sacrifice
yourself to for someone you love. Dark souls may sacrifice themselves
to another dark soul, but they will only do it if they get something in
return.

So Light souls freely sacrifice themselves for others.
Dark souls demand payment for their sacrifice.

But in general, dark souls sacrifice others to help themselves.
Okay, well, that makes sense now. I guess I was clinging to the idea that no matter what, no one really loses out.
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Old 08-04-2011, 08:15 PM   #51
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The law of attraction really doesn't work like that.

The law of attraction just means that if you indulge in negativity, you will attract negativity.
Or if you think positive thoughts, you attract and become open to positive energies. The law
of attraction doesn't rule your reality, it only has a limited impact on your life.

People have free will, someone can choose to punch a random person in the face, without
that person having thought any negative thoughts, without having done anything to attract
being punched in the face.. that is free will.

So the law of attraction definitely does not mean people attract their own misery and are to
blame for the suffering they endure in their lives. They endure suffering because of how our
society is built and because of indirect or direct manipulation from physical or spiritual beings
and energies.

How some people define the law of attraction is quite disgusting, even when a baby is abused
they will put the blame with the baby.. I can't help it, but that kind of dark, backward thinking
is very hard for me to digest.. such claims are devoid of any love and compassion and wisdom.

My understanding of that example was that the baby was influenced by the vibrations of those closet to it- but i guess thats still like the free will/punch in
the face example. i mean it begs the chicken/egg question.


The law of attraction doesn't dictate our reality, it just means that being positive helps a little
to achieve positive results, and being negative helps achieving negative results, but most of
the time there are no results at all, because there are many other factors who create our
reality, and they have a far greater impact than the law of attraction will ever have.


this is confirmed by my own experience - I know there are other factors at work here - but, well conditioning tells me Im a 'bad attractor' if i place any blame outside of myself. Ashyana Deane seems to confirm what you say, so I am not finding what you say too hard to accept.

The law of attraction is the smallest of all factors that affect how our reality plays out. Most
of the time it has no effect on our reality at all.. because the other factors completely take
the bunk of the influence. Say the law of attraction affects between 1% and 5% of how our
reality plays out.. depending on how intense your situation is.
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I hear you. I went through it too. It was a quite intense questioning process and highly emotionally charged. It is my experience and the experience I have observed in others that we do arrive at the place of inner knowing. Just hang on.
Thanks..I know I'll get there
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"we come here to help those that need us most."

Honestly, thats why I feel I'm here. I was told by a psychic that I have 'broad shoulders' for carrying others - and thats how it feels. I am letting go of my preconceived ideas about what life should be about and getting more&more joy from a life of helping others (mostly one specific person in my life). But this is more rewarding than any other way of living that I can think of.

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Old 08-04-2011, 09:43 PM   #54
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"we come here to help those that need us most."

Honestly, thats why I feel I'm here. I was told by a psychic that I have 'broad shoulders' for carrying others - and thats how it feels. I am letting go of my preconceived ideas about what life should be about and getting more&more joy from a life of helping others (mostly one specific person in my life). But this is more rewarding than any other way of living that I can think of.
Being there for others is incredibly rewarding on so many levels.
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You can read every book in the world and you won't have learned anything
that your soul doesn't already know..
That is true. I found that when I read a book it is more like something in the book resonate with an already existing feeling inside.. How else would I instantly understand something written by a stranger?

Books and movies are good to open up your understanding imo again not necessarily for everyone... But after a time you don't need anything other then yourself. Books become meaningless or as demonstrated, used only as a tool to self realization.
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Great stuff so far been reading after some absence.. I had to get away from this forum cause there is a lot of negativity here and its not healthy (for some anyway)

Now I feel more positive and have less desire to argue with anyone.. But it is really a conscious effort. Doom and Gloom just dont interest me anymore.. I look at it now as a form of pastime, an amusement of sorts..

This forum needs more people like you OP. More positive and affirmative. (But lets not argue )
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zysmon, you said

Our memories are held back by past life blocks.. to reconnect with your past
lives you have to remove those past life blocks, that is the only way to get
anywhere near awakening. If you can find and see your blocks in meditation,
then you can remove them on your own, if you can't find and see the blocks,
you have to find a healer who can do it for you.

how can you recognize a block?
it being different from the usual things we come across?
what are the characteristics?
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zysmon, you said

Our memories are held back by past life blocks.. to reconnect with your past
lives you have to remove those past life blocks, that is the only way to get
anywhere near awakening. If you can find and see your blocks in meditation,
then you can remove them on your own, if you can't find and see the blocks,
you have to find a healer who can do it for you.

how can you recognize a block?
it being different from the usual things we come across?
what are the characteristics?
Different people feel their blocks in different ways. But most blocks are so
deep that you cannot find them on your own. For example, thousands of
my energy blocks were hidden in the astral by an extraterrestrial attached
to me. My friend had to dive into the astral to retrieve them and remove
them.

Some people feel blocks as pain in certain areas if they focus on it, others
can visually see their blocks as black spots, others see blocks where their
Light energy flow is restricted or slowed.. etc. But most people can't see
their own blocks, and if you can't see them, you can't remove them.

Even if you can see them, you have to be capable of channeling massive
amounts of healing energy and Light to be able to remove the deep blocks,
and have the ability to search for blocks that are hidden elsewhere. They
are outside of your body, hiden, but they still manage to block your energy
through the remote connection.

It took my friend many years to become able to remove these blocks. Still
now it sometimes takes her ten hours of straight healing to remove blocks
for someone with the most hellish attachments.

Past life block removal is the deepest healing that exists.. and the hardest
to master. It takes many years just to prepare your body to become able
to channel so much healing energy through the nerves.. and as that Light
flows through your chakras and nerves, it consumes a lot of calcium, so
your body must be able to supply calcium fast and in great quantities.

Becoming a vegan is the easiest part of the preparation, the rest is even
harder. Most people can't even manage becoming vegetarian, they can't
let go of the addiction to meat, no matter how much suffering they cause
to nature, animals and humanity by eating meat. They value the taste of
flesh above the lives of massive forests, animals and humans.
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well, from that information it seems to me the
key to it is non attachment
if one sees a blackness-normally youd be depressed
or freaked out by it
seems like the cause for the continuation of that
blackness/pain/energy is not viewing it in the right way

oh, heres that pain again..dammit
why does it keep coming to bother me?

one looks at it with aversion which makes it
worse, more intense

the black that one sees is something you curse.
get depressed about

the weird energy/blocked channel etc

what about just not getting involved with it?
leave it alone and it will go away. might arise again
but in a diminished state. weaker. until its burnt out

there you go---the removal of these blocks is a
burning out process

eg the pain comes, one co exists with it and at
the same time do nothing to change it. no involvement
the pain still burns-still have to endure it. when its
totally burnt out thats the end of that block

or do you think by using ones own creation of light
and directing it at any particular block will be
fast, instant, short duration "dont have to endure
anything at all" superior technique?
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I wish you were right Jikwan.. but blocks of this kind are permanent. They
stay in your soul for eternity, if you or a healer don't remove them. They
never heal on their own or burn out.

Even a boulder in a river will eventually be worn down, but these blocks
are for all eternity. When I had my blocks removed, my friend found blocks
there from long before this solar system existed, from wounds I got on a
completely different planet.

The planet was probably destroyed when it was invaded, so I never got
the chance to have those ancient blocks removed, and had to carry 'em
with me for many billions and billions of years until I reached this point
on Earth. Earth was also almost destroyed, but it survived and now we
have won the struggle on a spiritual level, the rest will follow.

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