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Old 27-05-2014, 09:32 PM   #61
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Zhiba, forget about the gay side-show and focus on the threat of the EU.

Jesus, why does the gay-thing always get thrown in people's faces?

I'm kinda sick of hearing ideas and movements get discredited because of the tired old gay shitstick.

It's a ploy, a distraction and in your case seems to have worked to perfection.
But we can't ignore the political stance of the party - whether we agree with one of their policies or not, the rest of their political stance needs to be taken into account when voting.

The 'gay-thing' isn't a 'side show,' it is a policy of their members.

Their far right views - homophobic and racist views - are who they are.

Sugar coating them with a 'get out of the EU' trump card is not enough to take them seriously or to vote them into power.
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Old 27-05-2014, 09:35 PM   #62
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Very few who voted for UKIP last Thursday give a toss about UKIP policies.
They just wanted to have a pop at this current lot.
Unless Cameron cuts a deal with UKIP then UKIP will take votes off the Tories next May and in doing so that could hand the election to Labour.
There's scary.
That weird twat Milliband in nominal charge of the show.
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Old 27-05-2014, 09:37 PM   #63
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Zhiba, forget about the gay side-show and focus on the threat of the EU.

Jesus, why does the gay-thing always get thrown in people's faces?

I'm kinda sick of hearing ideas and movements get discredited because of the tired old gay shitstick.

It's a ploy, a distraction and in your case seems to have worked to perfection.
How can you, or anyone else, consider that getting out of the EU is above people's rights?

Voting them into power is akin to agreeing with and accepting their political stance on gays and none whites, wanting to see higher taxation and erosion of freedom.
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Old 27-05-2014, 09:41 PM   #64
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Very few who voted for UKIP last Thursday give a toss about UKIP policies.
They just wanted to have a pop at this current lot.
Unless Cameron cuts a deal with UKIP then UKIP will take votes off the Tories next May and in doing so that could hand the election to Labour.
There's scary.
That weird twat Milliband in nominal charge of the show.
Totally agree gmp - Miliband in charge is a fuck-scary concept.



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Old 27-05-2014, 09:44 PM   #65
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But we can't ignore the political stance of the party - whether we agree with one of their policies or not, the rest of their political stance needs to be taken into account when voting.

The 'gay-thing' isn't a 'side show,' it is a policy of their members.

Their far right views - homophobic and racist views - are who they are.

Sugar coating them with a 'get out of the EU' trump card is not enough to take them seriously or to vote them into power.
Sexuality is a personal issue, not a political one.

I expect there were many gay people who voted for UKIP. I think it's a mistake to imagine that gay people all hate UKIP. Or that gay people need to be protected from UKIP. It's probably far from the case.

I dunno, people can look after themselves, they don't need liberal watchdogs chasing after imagined enemies.

Remember, once you separate homosexuality from politics and put it back in the realm of the personal, then all the hate, division and confusion goes away.

Because politics takes an issue and fights over it.

And it never ends.

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Old 27-05-2014, 09:51 PM   #66
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thats a sexable (sic) comment EP - iow i agree

get sex out of politics (oops there wouldnt be any politicians then)

OH - that would be good
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Old 27-05-2014, 10:01 PM   #67
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Sexuality is a personal issue, not a political one.

I expect there were many gay people who voted for UKIP. I think it's a mistake to imagine that gay people all hate UKIP. Or that gay people need to be protected from UKIP. It's probably far from the case.

I dunno, people can look after themselves, they don't need liberal watchdogs chasing after imagined enemies.

Remember, once you separate homosexuality from politics and put it back in the realm of the personal, then all the hate, division and confusion goes away.

Because politics takes an issue and fights over it.

And it never ends.
UKIP are making sexuality a political issue - as has Putin, and as did Hitler.

Gays aren't making it political - politics are.

Politics has no right to sanction gay marriage - but it did. Gay people should have the same trights as heterosexual people, and for a political party member to suggest that the rain / bad weather / floods is directly proportionate to gay marriage is preposterous.

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I dunno, people can look after themselves, they don't need liberal watchdogs chasing after imagined enemies.

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Does that position include migrants? The political watchdogs have been chasing that imagined enemy long enough - hence the political uprising of fascist Nazi's like UKIP.

Do you agree or disagree that UKIP is a bigoted political stance?

How can we stand back idly and allow a clearly bigoted party to gain seats and power?

You can not separate people's rights and politics - politics has evolved to recognize a persons rights and enshrine them in law - not the other way around.
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Old 27-05-2014, 10:09 PM   #68
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Personally I agree with UKIP's position on Gay marriage.

It's not criminal to have an opinion y'know and it doesn't make me Hitler.
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Old 27-05-2014, 10:10 PM   #69
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as did hItler?

seriously?

was gayness acceptable in weimar republic?

(that is a rhetorical question - the answer is it was illegal as it was in the uk until the 1970s)
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Old 27-05-2014, 10:14 PM   #70
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But we can't ignore the political stance of the party - whether we agree with one of their policies or not, the rest of their political stance needs to be taken into account when voting.

The 'gay-thing' isn't a 'side show,' it is a policy of their members.

Their far right views - homophobic and racist views - are who they are.

Sugar coating them with a 'get out of the EU' trump card is not enough to take them seriously or to vote them into power.
But UKIP have a LGBT group ,the head of who has just been elected as a MEP ,also two Members of ethnic minority have been elected as MEPs ...
So you are just repeating the MSM lies ,as truths ...
A crazy old bastard who claimed the floods were the fault of gays has been saying that for years ,even when he was a Tory ,but it never made the press then .

UKIP LGBT ...https://twitter.com/ukiplgbt

Racists can be changed....
Homophobes can be changed...
but I am afraid a Paedophile is forever ...and the other parties have been covering for them for Decades .

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Old 27-05-2014, 10:33 PM   #71
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How can you, or anyone else, consider that getting out of the EU is above people's rights?

Voting them into power is akin to agreeing with and accepting their political stance on gays and none whites, wanting to see higher taxation and erosion of freedom.
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Old 27-05-2014, 10:34 PM   #72
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Ze fox is in ze hen house
http://youtu.be/jofNR_WkoCE
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Old 27-05-2014, 10:34 PM   #73
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But UKIP have a LGBT group ,the head of who has just been elected as a MEP ,also two Members of ethnic minority have been elected as MEPs ...
So you are just repeating the MSM lies ,as truths ...
A crazy old bastard who claimed the floods were the fault of gays has been saying that for years ,even when he was a Tory ,but it never made the press then .

UKIP LGBT ...https://twitter.com/ukiplgbt

Racists can be changed....
Homophobes can be changed...
but I am afraid a Paedophile is forever ...and the other parties have been covering for them for Decades .
"Hey, we're not against gays or homophobic, look we have gay friends - but all these floods we've been having and the bad weather, that's because of gays getting married!"

UKIP voted against gay marriage - aghainst allowing gay people the same rights as heterosexual people. UKIP have repeatedly made homophobic comments.

"Hey we're not racist, we have ethnic friends, but Lenny Henry should fuck off back to bongo Bongo land..."

UKIP members have made racist comments.

lol at your ignorance granny.

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Old 27-05-2014, 10:36 PM   #74
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Personally I agree with UKIP's position on Gay marriage.

It's not criminal to have an opinion y'know and it doesn't make me Hitler.
No, it doesn't make you a criminal, but it makes you a bigot who thinks it is ok to deny a consenting person the same rights as another consenting person simply because of their sexuality.
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Totally agree.

Very few voters actually understand what ukip's policies are - they just see the immigration tag that they have been manipulated into seeing by the media and don't see the far right political stance that ukip will bring to the table - a stance that will hike income tax, limit freedoms, limit rights and prohibit equality, extend taxation through the privatization of the NHS and charges to see GP's.

UKIP policy is frightening. Their unofficial homophobic position that the bad weather is due to gays getting married, that they opposed gay marriage and focus heavily on genetic right over human rights is fucking appalling - and these people are getting votes, predominantly, because the entire political arena has been engineered to create an opposing vote to the mainstream party lines while ignoring / sidestepping far right Nazi view points and usher in a frightening doctorate - create enough smoke and mirrors and the people won't see the misdirection.

i can't believe that people have been so fucking thick to fall for it.
Look at ukip meps record of achievements in Brussels
They do fuck all ,
And didn't ukip want every mep to donate fifty grand to the party ,
Tbey get nearly ninety grand pay as an mep and then an allowance
What for to abstain at everything and only turn up to claim expenses ?

http://www.leftfootforward.org/2013/...est-in-europe/


.http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...pean-elections


Ukip are taking the piss and their voters seem happy to made fools of ,
Ukip can no more take the uk put of europe than you or I could

Tbey sit side by side with euroskeptic parties abstaining and blocking everything if they can be be arsed to turn up and we at them to do this under the illusion they will take us out of the eu ,

Duh
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Racist ???

Earlier this week Lee Jasper, a race relations activist and senior Respect party member, branded the candidates "useful idiots" and several at the Farage rally were heckled as fakes by anti-Ukip activists.

Steven Woolfe, a Ukip candidate for the European parliament whose grandparents were black, Irish, English and Jewish, was one of those heckled. With tears in his eyes he responded from his own personal history, saying that a fake was not a five-year-old child telling his mother that he had been "called a nigger all day". "It was upsetting to be called a fake and racist," he said. "Sadly, on Twitter and Facebook such nasty claims still persist."

Nnorom and Lyken were among a group of ethnic minority Ukip candidates to sign a letter last week complaining many had "suffered the humiliation of being called 'Uncle Toms' or apologists for a racist party".

They wrote: "We demand opponents no longer engage in physical or verbal abuse and support Ukip in fighting to rid politics of racism, discrimination and sectarianism."

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"Hey, we're not against gays or homophobic, look we have gay friends - but all these floods we've been having and the bad weather, that's because of gays getting married!"

UKIP voted against gay marriage - aghainst allowing gay people the same rights as heterosexual people. UKIP have repeatedly made homophobic comments.

"Hey we're not racist, we have ethnic friends, but Lenny Henry should fuck off back to bongo Bongo land..."

UKIP members have made racist comments.

lol at your ignorance granny.
Thats a bit rich ....you have just insulted many LBGTs who do believe in controlled immigration and support UKIP .

So these ethnic minorities who joined UKIP are they Racist as well ???
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Racist ???
Yes.

Bongo Bongo land.



Lenny Henry should emigrate
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Thats a bit rich ....you have just insulted many LBGTs who do believe in controlled immigration and support UKIP .

So these ethnic minorities who joined UKIP are they Racist as well ???
Why on earth would LGBT people support a party who did not support the right for gays to marry?
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Thats a bit rich ....you have just insulted many LBGTs who do believe in controlled immigration and support UKIP .

So these ethnic minorities who joined UKIP are they Racist as well ???

That's how it sounds to me too.

That sort of meddling mentality that thinks it knows best what is good for other people and believes they should all think the same thing. Reminds me of Hitler...lol. Two can play at that game.
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