Ukip's success is no false dawn

[phreaky]

Originally Posted by grannie27

Why not just scream RACIST and HOMOPHOBE....

and then tell the two ethnic minority UKIP MEPs ,and the openly gay UKIP MEP in the EU

Because I didn't, which makes the above

Originally Posted by grannie27

a stupid stupid response

[grannie27]

Originally Posted by phreaky

Because I didn't, which makes the above

Pathetic .....

[phreaky]

Originally Posted by grannie27

Pathetic .....

That's what I thought when you started arguing against me with things I hadn't said.

[grannie27]

Originally Posted by phreaky

That's what I thought when you started arguing against me with things I hadn't said.

Then perhaps he can step down as leader because he seems to have failed in this somewhat easily achievable ambition.

The point is he wanted change and has created change .....what do you not understand ??? He is not some Power mad school boy ...Who wants to win at any cost ....

He could of thrown the Paedophile headlines connected to ALL three parties in the attacks from the MSM ...but NO he did not ..he took the high road and stayed on the debate about the EU and unchecked immigration. That my friend is Class ....

I imagine something you have no idea about ....

You started this claiming they wanted to privitize the NHS ,I gave you a Video link to the UKIP person in charge of this policy..who clearly states they do NOT want to privatize the NHS ..
in fact they want FREE DENTAL CARE ,FREE EYE TESTING ...etc but you never got back to me on that subject ......

Conversation over ...I dont do "Moron"

[vorwahr]

Given the title of thread regarding ukip not being a flash in the pan so to speak
How do you think ukip will attract intellectuals and buisness minded people to a party that has little in the way of a manifesto or clarity on these subjects ?

[vorwahr]

Originally Posted by grannie27

The point is he wanted change and has created change .....what do you not understand ??? He is not some Power mad school boy ...Who wants to win at any cost ....

He could of thrown the Paedophile headlines connected to ALL three parties in the attacks from the MSM ...but NO he did not ..he took the high road and stayed on the debate about the EU and unchecked immigration. That my friend is Class ....

I imagine something you have no idea about ....

You started this claiming they wanted to privitize the NHS ,I gave you a Video link to the UKIP person in charge of this policy..who clearly states they do NOT want to privatize the NHS ..
in fact they want FREE DENTAL CARE ,FREE EYE TESTING ...etc but you never got back to me on that subject ......

Conversation over ...I dont do "Moron"

Nevermind a bloody video where's the nhs policies in the manifesto show me the contract between voter and party .

And while we are at it how will ukip control immigration
And decide who is allowed in who can stay and who won't ?

I think ukip would face similar difficulties to the Tories and any other party trying to control immigration
How in hell would ukip turn back benifits reforms and still make it difficult for illegal immigrants to claim benifits or work here
My suspicions are id Cards of some form .

Biggest drain on the welfare state in pensioners will ukip cut winter fuel bills or benifits to uk pensioners abroad
And also cut uk pensions ?

Where's the ukip manifesto the eu bill won't cover the billions needed
Everyone who voted Julio desserve the right to answers not spiel and rhetoric
What are the answers and show then in ukips manifesto .

[phreaky]

Originally Posted by grannie27

You started this claiming they wanted to privitize the NHS

No I did not, I responded to a post where you claimed someone was making shit up yet didn't use anything related to back it up. I also added a blog post by the deputy leader of UKIP who clearly is in favour of privatisation, to show that it's not just a case of making shit up.

But it is nice that you are trying to post what I said instead of deliberately posting what I didn't

Originally Posted by grannie27

,I gave you a Video link to the UKIP person in charge of this policy..who clearly states they do NOT want to privatize the NHS ..
in fact they want FREE DENTAL CARE ,FREE EYE TESTING ...etc but you never got back to me on that subject ......

Such things can be free, that doesn't mean it won't be provided by a privatised service funded by our taxes.

I'll have to have another watch of that video as I don't recall privatisation being mentioned, just restructuring. To be fair I was doing other stuff at the same time so perhaps she did say it.

Originally Posted by grannie27

Conversation over ...I dont do "Moron"

Really, yet you're such a natural. The way that you throw insults around in place of an argument. And twist things that were said, and not said, I really think you're selling yourself short.

[getagrip]

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[grannie27]

Originally Posted by vorwahr

Nevermind a bloody video where's the nhs policies in the manifesto show me the contract between voter and party .

I really hope ,Hand on Heart ,that the Scots get their Independence from the UK .
Then Labour will be really fucked ....its all uphill afterwards

[vorwahr]

Ukip are a bloody disgrace how they ever got a vote I will never know even the thickest ****
Would want to know why tbey were worth voting for and not just take a smarmy politicians word for anything ,
In every interview ukip policies have been torn apart and ukip have wiggled out of responsibility because tbey haven't got a manifesto worth a fuck to be held accountable to .

You lot just elected the equivalent of a blank cheque imho .

[vorwahr]

Originally Posted by grannie27

I really hope ,Hand on Heart ,that the Scots get their Independence from the UK .
Then Labour will be really fucked ....its all uphill afterwards

Answer the question .

[grannie27]

UKIP has not released its 2015 manifesto yet ...as have none of the other main parties ....have SNP ?

I imagine a lot of changes are now being made to many parties policies as we type ,based of the success of UKIP....
The unelected EU gobshites must be shitting themselves right now ....Europe has spoken ..not just the UK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbO2_077ixs

No more EU slaves .....the game is up ,the project is doomed .

[vorwahr]

Originally Posted by grannie27

UKIP has not released its 2015 manifesto yet ...as have none of the other main parties ....have SNP ?

I imagine a lot of changes are now being made to many parties policies as we type ,based of the success of UKIP....
The unelected EU gobshites must be shitting themselves right now ....Europe has spoken ..not just the UK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbO2_077ixs

No more EU slaves .....the game is up ,the project is doomed .

Oh c'mon ,
They have a 2014 manifesto it would surely be that one people based their votes on .
Ok what's ukips policies on Eu then what do tbey promise to do there ?

It's always the same , wriggling out of answering questions
the snp btw drew up a huge white paper on Indy
And their 2014 manifesto is online fot all to see as is ukips

Maybe you can tell me why Scots ukip voters decide d on ukip when ukip called Scots subsidy scroungers ,
And you yourself Sid in a post on thesibject of Scots Indy 'u hope the bloody doordoesnt hit purposes on the way put "
Such respect for ukip brothers north of the border

[georgesmiley]

I really hope ,Hand on Heart ,that the Scots get their Independence from the UK .
Then Labour will be really fucked ....its all uphill afterwards

so you want to abandon me to a scotland castrated by membership of the EU? LOL

please NOOOOOOOO

[grannie27]

Originally Posted by georgesmiley

so you want to abandon me to a scotland castrated by membership of the EU? LOL

please NOOOOOOOO

I wonder ,will I have to produce my passport when visiting my Inlaws ??

[georgesmiley]

I wondered about that but there is a precedent - the eire citizens were allowed to travel freely to the uk and even work here - no passport showing. so i would hope the same rule would apply should the worst case scenario come to be reality.

[grannie27]

Originally Posted by georgesmiley

I wondered about that but there is a precedent - the eire citizens were allowed to travel freely to the uk and even work here - no passport showing. so i would hope the same rule would apply should the worst case scenario come to be reality.

To be honest george if I have to flash my passport its a small price to pay to see Labour trounced (such a loss of Uk seats )....and the rest of them ...grovel .
and when the EU makes Scotland look like a Banana Republic ,the dream sold from the SNP will start to look like a nightmare for the people, and they will be outed ...who will they vote for then ??

Banana republic is a political science term for a politically unstable country whose economy is largely dependent on exporting a limited-resource product, e.g. bananas. It typically has stratified social classes, including a large, impoverished working class and a ruling plutocracy of business, political, and military elites;[1] this politico-economic oligarchy controls the primary-sector productions to exploit the country's economy.[2]

[vorwahr]

Originally Posted by grannie27

To be honest george if I have to flash my passport its a small price to pay to see Labour trounced (such a loss of Uk seats )....and the rest of them ...grovel .
and when the EU makes Scotland look like a Banana Republic ,the dream sold from the SNP will start to look like a nightmare for the people, and they will be outed ...who will they vote for then ??

A vote for Indy is neither vote for the eu or snp
Why do you assume it is ?

[the mighty zhiba]

Originally Posted by vorwahr

Ukip are a bloody disgrace how they ever got a vote I will never know even the thickest ****
Would want to know why tbey were worth voting for and not just take a smarmy politicians word for anything ,
In every interview ukip policies have been torn apart and ukip have wiggled out of responsibility because tbey haven't got a manifesto worth a fuck to be held accountable to .

You lot just elected the equivalent of a blank cheque imho .

Totally agree.

Very few voters actually understand what ukip's policies are - they just see the immigration tag that they have been manipulated into seeing by the media and don't see the far right political stance that ukip will bring to the table - a stance that will hike income tax, limit freedoms, limit rights and prohibit equality, extend taxation through the privatization of the NHS and charges to see GP's.

UKIP policy is frightening. Their unofficial homophobic position that the bad weather is due to gays getting married, that they opposed gay marriage and focus heavily on genetic right over human rights is fucking appalling - and these people are getting votes, predominantly, because the entire political arena has been engineered to create an opposing vote to the mainstream party lines while ignoring / sidestepping far right Nazi view points and usher in a frightening doctorate - create enough smoke and mirrors and the people won't see the misdirection.

i can't believe that people have been so fucking thick to fall for it.

[truthspoon]

Originally Posted by zhiba

Totally agree.

Very few voters actually understand what ukip's policies are - they just see the immigration tag that they have been manipulated into seeing by the media and don't see the far right political stance that ukip will bring to the table - a stance that will hike income tax, limit freedoms, limit rights and prohibit equality, extend taxation through the privatization of the NHS and charges to see GP's.

UKIP policy is frightening. Their unofficial homophobic position that the bad weather is due to gays getting married, that they opposed gay marriage and focus heavily on genetic right over human rights is fucking appalling - and these people are getting votes, predominantly, because the entire political arena has been engineered to create an opposing vote to the mainstream party lines while ignoring / sidestepping far right Nazi view points and usher in a frightening doctorate - create enough smoke and mirrors and the people won't see the misdirection.

i can't believe that people have been so fucking thick to fall for it.

Zhiba, forget about the gay side-show and focus on the threat of the EU.

Jesus, why does the gay-thing always get thrown in people's faces?

I'm kinda sick of hearing ideas and movements get discredited because of the tired old gay shitstick.

It's a ploy, a distraction and in your case seems to have worked to perfection.