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Old 23-06-2018, 03:59 PM   #41
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Yes, you appear be arguing. I don't deny my person is there.


Does the term "argue" really mean anything if there is no one experiencing the arguing?


Does the term "pain" really mean anything if there is no one experiencing the pain?

Does the term "think" really mean anything if there is no one experiencing the thinking?

Does the term [put your favorite word here] mean anything if there is no one experiencing the [favorite word]?
If there were no-one there, it might be necessary to invent someone.
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Old 23-06-2018, 04:17 PM   #42
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If there were no-one there, it might be necessary to invent someone.
For the game to start I suppose.
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Old 23-06-2018, 04:24 PM   #43
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For the game to start I suppose.
Would you like me to agree or disagree?
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Old 23-06-2018, 04:31 PM   #44
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Would you like me to agree or disagree?
Your choice. lol
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Old 23-06-2018, 04:32 PM   #45
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Your choice. lol
Lol. I was forgetting that you have none.

Er.....I agree then. A game is not a game without choices.

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Old 23-06-2018, 06:01 PM   #46
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Lol. I was forgetting that you have none.

Er.....I agree then. A game is not a game without choices.

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Of course you feel you have choice, because there's a person there. lol
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Old 23-06-2018, 08:48 PM   #47
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Of course you feel you have choice, because there's a person there. lol
Well, personally I'm ok with that. Self realisation for me was just that, a discovery that reality is made of self.

I didn't have much of a choice to stay in that state of enlightenment, as it's not an active state of being. How can it be? One cannot fully understand reality from within reality, one has to step outside of reality to do that. No cups of coffee. No robot dancing. No friendly chats on DIF. No arguments either.

We can discuss whether there is such a thing as choice but we can only do so from within reality, which as I'm sure you are aware is an illusion. If you are outside of this illusion yet still able to chat about it, then you are probably inside another illusion. Perhaps just a bigger bubble, but a bubble nonetheless.

It does make it all sound somewhat pointless, that there is no escape. But I don't see it so much like that. And yes I do have choice. I used to be a determinist, believing that there was no choice and everything happened as preordained, past and future set in stone, and I would agree that persona plays it's role in that if it were indeed true. Then I woke up.

I do find it odd that reality (in the form of others) persistently denies that I ever had my self realisation experiences. Perhaps it's some form of self flagellating punishment for me having no 'desire' to be an enlightenment guru. Lol. In yer average state of oneness where everything and everyone is a reflection of the whole there is no reason or point in teaching others oneness 'cos it is already simply there. Something that the so called enlightenment gurus seem unable to understand. Are you one of those Alisa, or do you just like their fancy word puzzles? As for me, there is no obligation for me to be in any particular state.

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