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Old 08-03-2013, 09:47 PM   #21
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How old am I? Are you for fucking real - "that was a regular at any match back in the day" ......Have you even looked at the picture closely??????? Yeah, it was so regular back in the day that fans were dying by their scores up and down the country at football matches.

Incidentally, I'm 35 and I've been watching Everton since 1984.
your 35, yet never seen a fence, sorry goodison was one of the knifer grounds, you mustve never seen the football, you scarfer.
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Old 08-03-2013, 09:49 PM   #22
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did you not agree with husker du, hillsborough allowed more fans in?
how is that ignorant?
The problem was not the amount of fans who entered the stand, it was that there was no control over how many people entered the pens. many fans survived only because they were dragged to safety from the upper stand, or clambered over to another pen.
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Old 08-03-2013, 09:50 PM   #23
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your 35, yet never seen a fence, sorry goodison was one of the knifer grounds, you mustve never seen the football, you scarfer.
Piss off, troll.
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Old 08-03-2013, 10:12 PM   #24
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It's not about Everton v Liverpool, you fool, it's about injustice.

I'm not sure who "Greame " Sharp is, but the real Sharpy has 2 league titles, an FA cup, and European cup winners cup more than you. Oh, and he also knows how to construct a sentence, use capital letters appropriately, and make paragraphs. He also knows the difference between your and you're.

Now once again, please piss off and stop trying to derail this thread.

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Old 08-03-2013, 11:19 PM   #25
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The problem was not the amount of fans who entered the stand, it was that there was no control over how many people entered the pens. many fans survived only because they were dragged to safety from the upper stand, or clambered over to another pen.
Liverpool fans have had a reputation for 'jibbing' into grounds. I just wish the Justice Campaign would admit that possibly all the Liverpool fans that day (likely not including the ones that died) were not angels, but may in some way have contributed to the situation getting as dire as it became.

Not to blame, but not blameless either.
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Old 08-03-2013, 11:36 PM   #26
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Liverpool fans have had a reputation for 'jibbing' into grounds. I just wish the Justice Campaign would admit that possibly all the Liverpool fans that day (likely not including the ones that died) were not angels, but may in some way have contributed to the situation getting as dire as it became.

Not to blame, but not blameless either.
I sort of agree, but that sort of thing is common among football fans. It doesn't explain the circumstances that allowed fans to enter a pen that was overcrowded, whilst other pens remained open and safe.

Did Liverpool fans without tickets enter the ground? Almost certainly they did. However, the circumstances that lead to that happening, and the numerous factors that contributed are highly suspect.

Why was there no radio contact? Why were ambulances (If the fucking ambulance drivers who were situated outside the stadium knew there was a problem, why were they being told they were not needed, by officers witnessing first hand what was happening?) not allowed to enter?

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Old 08-03-2013, 11:39 PM   #27
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WTF! Thought everyone has come to their senses that the police, media and the government all conspired against the truth about the people of Liverpool. All the lies that were told in rags like The Sun to cover the police and their mistakes. Wake up!!! What you read in the sun or any other newspaper is probably propaganda.. Designed to make you follow what they want you to without question! So far, it's seems like it's 'job done' on you.
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WTF! Thought everyone has come to their senses that the police, media and the government all conspired against the truth about the people of Liverpool. All the lies that were told in rags like The Sun to cover the police and their mistakes. Wake up!!! What you read in the sun or any other newspaper is probably propaganda.. Designed to make you follow what they want you to without question! So far, it's seems like it's 'job done' on you.
Unfortunately, the average football fan is an easily misled and manipulated (mind-controlled) moron, the vast majority of football fans around the world let their prejudices against their rivals blind them to the truth.
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Old 08-03-2013, 11:55 PM   #29
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Champions League Final 2007, Liverpool fans tried to 'jib' in en masse.

Hey, I've stood on terraces and had some dodgy moments over the years, it's a miracle that something like this did not happen years ago. Calling me a Sun reader will not change the fact that Liverpool fans over the years have done this, and likely tried to do so on that day. After that, was shockingly mishandled and then covered up for sure, but some fans on that day share at least some responsibility.
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(If the fucking ambulance drivers who were situated outside the stadium knew there was a problem, why were they being told they were not needed, by officers witnessing first hand what was happening?)
Key question!!!!!
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Old 09-03-2013, 12:42 AM   #32
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Key question!!!!!
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Strummer you should read your signature, yeno the one that says 'We urge people to learn fast' So read the summary before you spout shit!!

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Old 09-03-2013, 08:28 AM   #33
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Watch this, Tony talks about Hillsborough being a false flag in this video, not sure where exactly, you'll have find it. I was at the conference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=JQIxJFPPP1w
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Old 10-03-2013, 10:47 PM   #34
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Watch this, Tony talks about Hillsborough being a false flag in this video, not sure where exactly, you'll have find it. I was at the conference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=JQIxJFPPP1w
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Politicians today seize any opportunity to associate themselves with football. To Margaret Thatcher's Conservative government of the mid-1980s, however, football fans were as much of a menace as striking trade unionists. Years of greed and incompetence had brought English football to an all-time low. Fewer people were attending games than ever before, while lurid press reports of fan violence would have led anyone who didn't attend matches to think that football stadia were life-threatening environments, teeming with drunken, dart-throwing maniacs. As the government then was fond of saying, football had become a "law and order issue".

Two crowd disasters in 1985 became a watershed. A terrace riot had been the immediate cause of the deaths of 39 Italian supporters at Heysel stadium, Brussels on 29 May, but several other contributory factors were overlooked in the rush to condemn football fans, including the woefully decrepit state of the stadium and the badly mismanaged distribution of tickets. A month before Heysel, a fire in a wooden stand at Bradford City caused 56 deaths. The fire highlighted what football spectators had known for years: many grounds in the UK had been allowed to decay to the point that they had become deathtraps. They were also monuments to the complacency of the game's authorities – spectators were expected to tolerate uncomplainingly the sub-standard facilities. The post-Heysel resolve to "do something" about football hooliganism led to a woefully misconceived plan to require spectators to produce ID cards to gain admission. Luton Town, whose chairman David Evans was also a nearby Conservative MP, introduced a prototype scheme that barred all away supporters from their games. The outcry over Luton's actions didn't deter the government, whose Football Spectators Act of 1989 made ID cards compulsory, a plan that was only abandoned after the deaths of 96 spectators at the Hillsborough disaster later in the same year. The ensuing Report by Lord Justice Taylor held the police's crowd control methods largely to blame for the loss of life. The crisis in confidence that afflicted football at this time was at least responsible for a small-scale publishing boom, as a small number of fans started to produce their own magazines, designed to establish contact with other football supporters around the UK who were dissatisfied with the way the game was run and written about. This was accompanied by the appearance of politicised supporters groups. A group of fans in Liverpool set up the Football Supporters Association (FSA), which quickly developed into a national pressure group. Still, no one then could have foreseen football's wholesale revival during the 1990s, fuelled in the main by the income from satellite television – and most notably the network owned by one of Thatcher's most ardent admirers

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Old 26-04-2016, 10:05 PM   #35
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Seems like an appropriate time to bump this.

Just raising questions really. Ignore the trolls who got banned.
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Old 27-04-2016, 10:46 AM   #36
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The thread topic is a vindication for those fallen at Hillsborough, their families and friends. Please can we not tarnish this thread with .. 'hoax' speculation.
Does that policy apply just to Hillsborough or every suspect hoax? What about 9/11?

Classic way to silence questioners. Wave the emotive flag. Too horrific to even speculate. How dare you tarnish their memories. We must not tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories.
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Old 27-04-2016, 10:52 AM   #37
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Does that policy apply just to Hillsborough or every suspect hoax? What about 9/11?

Classic way to silence questioners. Wave the emotive flag. Too horrific to even speculate. How dare you tarnish their memories. We must not tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories.
Feel free to start your own thread ....,I doubt it will gather much attention .

BTW Everyone knew and had a theory about a Conspiracy regarding Hillsborough ,and the following cover ups , but unless you can show me what the "Agenda " might be , I don't see this as a "Staged Event ".

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Default thread split: 'staged event' speculation re. the Hillsborough Tragedy

This thread has been started for those who wish to extend the main thread topic.
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Old 27-04-2016, 11:49 AM   #39
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There's something similar here:

https://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=238280
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