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 18-06-2013, 04:20 AM #1 gemstonelever Junior Member   Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 21 Likes: 0 (0 Posts) Ideas for how a flying saucer could work This thread is for people who have ideas on how a flying saucer could operate. I have a few pet theories of my own, which I will elaborate on over time. But I know you guys and gals have some good thoughts on this, so let's give it a go!
 18-06-2013, 08:06 AM #2 gemstonelever Junior Member   Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 21 Likes: 0 (0 Posts) Saw an interesting car tonight and a cool woman at the store. It reminded me of an idea I had for a way that these things might work. (Don't ask why that reminded me LOL) Anyway, I was thinking that if they could somehow prevent gravity from pulling on the ship, or at least to only pull as much as it does air, then the ship would float. If they could cut it off all together, then the momentum the ship already has from rotating with the Earth would send the ship off in a straight line, kinda like twirling a ball on a string around you and then letting go. The Earth would keep rotating while the ship went straight out from it. Since the Earth is round, the people on the ground would be moving down and Eastward from the ship. To them the ship would look as if it was moving straight up, or up and Westward at a very high rate of speed. Then I thought that we rotate at about 1000 MPH with the Earth, depending on where you are. So that means the ship would keep going at that same speed, only instead of moving on a curved path, it would just be going straight. When something moves on a curved path, isn't it changing directions all the time? Centrifugal force pulls us away from the Earth a bit for this reason, right? The amount of force on us from that would be the same if we broke off like I described because the ship hasn't actually increased it's speed at all. The difference is that the force would be acting as if it were pulling us backward instead of outward from the Earth. And then I thought that without that force pulling us outward from the Earth, we might feel a little more of the pull of gravity as the centrifugal force on us counteracts some of the gravity that we feel on the surface. Just some thoughts to get the thread going.
18-06-2013, 08:55 AM   #3
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I read a book about a contact with an extraterrestrial race, and although the book focusses on what it takes to build a really working society it has a small section where they explain the workings of a space-disc that may be relevant here.
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 18-06-2013, 07:05 PM #4 gemstonelever Junior Member   Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 21 Likes: 0 (0 Posts) Great post observer1964. I love the illustrations. Very cool stuff. As for myself, I feel like Bob Lazar has been shown a real working device. Just a hunch. Keep it up folks and give your thoughts and ideas.
 20-06-2013, 08:55 AM #5 silentnomore Senior Member   Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 524 Likes: 7 (6 Posts) Well apparently it's already been done. Check this guy out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUZ0g...mBLIw&index=81 This is only part 1 of 8, but what's really interesting about it is that the science behind it is really simple and makes sense. __________________ “He who controls others may be powerful, but he who has mastered himself is mightier still.” - Lao Tzu (Chinese taoist Philosopher, founder of Taoism, wrote "Tao Te Ching" (also "The Book of the Way"). 600 BC-531 BC)
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 21-06-2013, 05:33 AM #7 gemstonelever Junior Member   Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 21 Likes: 0 (0 Posts) Cool. I love the videos. There may be several ways to do it. My friend Karen today inspired me to write about a few of my ideas. First off, I've already said that when they go fast, they seem to be cancelling the effect of gravity on the ship somehow and moving using their own momentum. Meaning the momentum they already have. But what about when they hover and go slow? I have some ideas. Let's get started. I always thought it was strange how these ships look like tops. You spin a top and it stands on the bottom point, balanced on it's center of gravity. Just like a gyroscope, it stands straight when it's spinning, but sometimes wobbles until it can get itself into a straight position. Wain a minute I thought, aren't some UFO's reported to wobble a bit sometimes? And don't most aircraft and rockets have stabilizers on them to make sure they don't roll or tip over? I looked it up and they do! But where are the stabilizers on a UFO? Well, it turns out that if there was a giant gyroscope inside the ufo that was attached to the top and or bottom of the craft from inside, that would act as a stabilizer and keep the ship from tipping over. I'd imagine that when flying fast they'd have to keep perfectly parallel to the ground else the wind would force the ship up or down. Yes! There must be a gyroscope inside acting as a stabilizer! Now, that won't make it hover, but it is part of the drive that these things use. If I'm so inspired, I might tell you my other thoughts on how it does this soon.
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 Originally Posted by gemstonelever Cool. I love the videos. There may be several ways to do it. My friend Karen today inspired me to write about a few of my ideas. First off, I've already said that when they go fast, they seem to be cancelling the effect of gravity on the ship somehow and moving using their own momentum. Meaning the momentum they already have. But what about when they hover and go slow? I have some ideas. Let's get started. I always thought it was strange how these ships look like tops. You spin a top and it stands on the bottom point, balanced on it's center of gravity. Just like a gyroscope, it stands straight when it's spinning, but sometimes wobbles until it can get itself into a straight position. Wain a minute I thought, aren't some UFO's reported to wobble a bit sometimes? And don't most aircraft and rockets have stabilizers on them to make sure they don't roll or tip over? I looked it up and they do! But where are the stabilizers on a UFO? Well, it turns out that if there was a giant gyroscope inside the ufo that was attached to the top and or bottom of the craft from inside, that would act as a stabilizer and keep the ship from tipping over. I'd imagine that when flying fast they'd have to keep perfectly parallel to the ground else the wind would force the ship up or down. Yes! There must be a gyroscope inside acting as a stabilizer! Now, that won't make it hover, but it is part of the drive that these things use. If I'm so inspired, I might tell you my other thoughts on how it does this soon.
When you study the post I placed before you will see that the Disc has 2 gyroscopes, but spinning anti-matter instead of matter!
Gyroscopes have more strange forces and effects on gravity, watch this clip of Eric Laithwaite in wich he shows an experiment with a heavy spinning wheel...

He also gave lectures on gyroscopes that are worth a good look
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(remaining parts can be easily found in the youtube-pages)

Offcourse this interrest in gyroscopes made Eric a heretic of the scientific community
I once saw a episode of Heretic about Eric Laithwaite, but cant find it on youtube right now, but i did find a small clip from it that really shows one of the most remarkeble effects of gyroscopes

 21-06-2013, 09:34 AM #9 observer1964 Senior Member   Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 100 Likes: 1 (1 Post) UFO Energy & Propulsion Theory - Dr. Tom Valone LIVE Dr. Tom Valone's 28-year search for future energy and propulsion designs was initiated by an investigation into a UFO story, including a reproduced generator which he tested. According to Dr. Valone, the field is ripe for engineering analysis of likely propulsion systems. This investigation of the energy technology of UFO's provides fruitful insights for civilian back-engineering in order to catch up to covert "Black Budget" operations which only benefit the military. This LIVE presentation was given at the X-Conference by Dr. Tom Valone. The X-Conference is produced by X-PPAC (Extraterrestrial Phenomena Political Action Committee) and The Paradigm Research Group, who's mission is to educate Congress, the Press and the Public about the Government imposed "Truth Embargo" and to bring about formal acknowledgment by the U. S. Government of an Extraterrestrial presence engaging the Human Race - Full Disclosure. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjrXLNRAMSg
 21-06-2013, 08:46 PM #10 gemstonelever Junior Member   Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 21 Likes: 0 (0 Posts) I love this thread. You guys are the best. Yes, I've seen Eric's videos on you tube. I know why he was blackballed in the scientific community. There is something in one of his videos that touches on how these work. That's all I will say for now, but his work was instrumental for me in figuring out how it's done.
22-06-2013, 09:56 AM   #11
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 Originally Posted by observer1964 When you study the post I placed before you will see that the Disc has 2 gyroscopes, but spinning anti-matter instead of matter!
Yeah, I've read that somewhere before too. I also remembered reading about how the gyroscopes used liquid mercury instead of metal rings as well - I managed to find this about it that looks quite promising:

Vimanas on the History Channel

Here's also a modern extrapolation of it as well:

Vimana UFO engine with Mercury
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 Originally Posted by gemstonelever I love this thread. You guys are the best. Yes, I've seen Eric's videos on you tube. I know why he was blackballed in the scientific community. There is something in one of his videos that touches on how these work. That's all I will say for now, but his work was instrumental for me in figuring out how it's done.
Thanks for starting it, I love this thread mst on this forum

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 Originally Posted by gemstonelever This thread is for people who have ideas on how a flying saucer could operate. I have a few pet theories of my own, which I will elaborate on over time. But I know you guys and gals have some good thoughts on this, so let's give it a go!
The only way to do it would be to do it the same way life itself operates. In other words if the fuel cells were biological units, gee they could even be human and so when one group of humans sleep in the cells their bio energies run the ship, as in tapping the real neuronal voltages and discharges directly from the biological unit itself. A family of electric eels have the potential to run the ship for many years even by themselves. Now, suppose you started a breeding program to create 'bio unit energy cells' and suppose these bio unit energy cells were basically working but consciousless containers void of awareness. They are just dumb animals but they do what they are told. When they get old they die but before that happens of course others have been replicated to replace them and so the ship never runs out of fuel you see? Do the same with any other highly charged creature, sand worms, eels, lightning bugs, luminated fish and breed them for their energies and before you know it you can never run out of fuel from various fuel cells in the way of bio units each put into coma like states and placed in their separate enclosures to both read the energy and make use of the extras. Through various stimulation of the cerebral cortex and other key areas of the brains the energy output can be greatly affected so control of the energy is easy enough through emotion controlled by various visual and other sense responses.

Suppose for a moment that you are not really here, but actually in a coma, in some cell having this 'matrix' experience as a way to stimulate you for your emotions to run a ship for someone else. Now that is trippy! Or suppose it was discovered that this bio experience can be had by anyone and that some want to do it and paid basically to be able to experience it themselves in service to their own societies while they act as fuel cells for punishment for a crime forced to have this 'hell' experience as penance for their past acts. So you are the little reptile looking ugly guy, and your visions in your house of things going into your children's rooms at night were actually the entity that is your child out wandering about in some glitch in the system for experience and that you are both here as some kind of voluntary trip, or here by order to pay for something you did. Imagine that all the energies you create while here to aid in running ships to explore in and other advanced bio unit devices aid in paying back society some way no matter the real cause for why you are here. Most know by how they feel about life which they are.
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I understand some of your take, however, I don't see things such that there is an enemy to defeat anywhere as all that takes place here in this playground. The grand balance of peace in the real can be maintained by the balance of all the negative crap we see going on here like a pendulum per say where one plays on the other. The scavengers or sanctioned observers having experience in the organic can just as easily be us as these enemies and that is the point. Its all us, nothing really dies as our energy and our awareness were very much alive before you woke as a babe again in this one.

The post here is just random thoughts off the top of my head as they come to me. Well, for the most part I mean. I just think if you were these really smart dudes, even dudes that survived a past time when other organic beings ran around in this garden besides the ones we know about I mean, then suppose if they did have an advanced civilization that had once cloned or created lesser beings for servitude. Now suppose that these survivor creators had red hair or blond hair, negative blood type, and blue or green eyes and that after this disaster there was need to actually breed with their creations. Now suppose they have some heart so they start cloning even still because having lost all their techno stuff for a while they have to use what is available for power so they create some using hybrid creations of their other beings, also created for space travel as surrogate experiential units operated remote almost like drone but more interactive and they combined these created beings to create still another even dumber version with less awareness than most single cell organisms but that can generate great deals of energies for their needs.

Now imagine that abductions do occur, they do take people and that some of the missing persons and missing families, animals and more are not just taken but transported to other gardens far from earth where they become sort of their own versions of 'Adam and Eve' on those other created gardens for producing. Since the ships are already designed for utilizing the energy generated by bio unit energy sources (humanoid and infant battery cells) these people abducted are simply set into a state of coma like consciousness and their energy is utilized for the trip to their new home the same way the others are. After all the energy is discharged from them anyway so may as well use it right? And since these beings have mastered DNA play and manipulation they can 'set' the body bio rhythms of the abducted to match those of their new sun and or moons and since planetary gardens are big enough to lease to many what you end up with is gardens much like earth with various 'gods' responsible for each supposed race of organic beings or with bringing them there.

In the end the light being sanctioning for an 'organic life experience' ( you or me or anyone having a body to play in) gets that experience, no one died, no real evil was ever done because once the experience is over, the light being steps out of the experience realizing it was all a trip he took for whatever reason, then the loved ones come in and the laughter starts and you wake up and life continues on until you decide to visit another part of the grand all encompassing mental of the one.
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 23-06-2013, 06:14 AM #16 gemstonelever Junior Member   Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 21 Likes: 0 (0 Posts) Cluas, Great video. You know, if they had imbedded a gyroscope into the turbine by having a weighted ring around the blades and connected them with spokes between the blades to the shaft, then the thing wouldn't have wobbled. It doesn't get too far off the ground. That's why jet airplanes use wings. This machine was most likely built as a cover story for the flying saucer technology in case some congressmen came knocking, they could always show them the Avrocar and they would think they had the explanation for UFO's. However, the video is awesome and I love it. Thanks for posting.
 23-06-2013, 06:45 AM #17 gemstonelever Junior Member   Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 21 Likes: 0 (0 Posts) Guess what guys? I was inspired again today by my friend Mark. So much inspiration! What that means to you guys is that I'm going to give away another piece of the puzzle according to my ideas. Now first you have to understand exactly what a gyroscope is doing and why. Studying these things can by trying on your brain as you try to follow where the force is going to go in different situations. But to put it simply, when a force is applied to the axis of a gyroscope, instead of the axis moving in the same direction like a see saw or lever, the force moves at 90 degrees to one side or the other depending on the direction of rotation. This happens because as the disk spins, the force on the disk part going back or forward changes direction as it crosses the center line of the disk. As it does this a neutral spot is created there which isn't going forward or backward. The same thing happens on the other side as a given point on the dick crosses back towards the bottom. This example is for a gyroscope that's on it's side. This results in more force pushing back or forward (top or bottom of disk) on the left side than the right for both top and bottom of the disk. That makes the disk turn in one direction or the other. This is called precession. This is why a gyroscope set with one end of it's axis on a stand will rotate around the stand. Everyone has seen this and if not look it up on you tube and you'll see what I mean. But what most people don't really grasp is why the gyroscope stands out straight as if defying gravity when it does this. The reason is crucial as to how flying saucers work. It's called axis rigidity. It means that the more force (RPM's and/or mass when spinning) the gyro is using, the harder it is to move the axis. The axis resists being moved or tilted. As gravity tries to pull the axis downward, that pull gets redirected into sideways motion, but more importantly, if the gyro is spinning with more force than gravity is pulling on it with, that axis isn't going to be able to tilt. As the other side of the axis is on a stand, in order for the gyro to fall it has to tilt. It won't and so it sticks out straight. That's all for now. Start to study what I'm talking about and soon I might blow your mind.
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 Originally Posted by gemstonelever This thread is for people who have ideas on how a flying saucer could operate. I have a few pet theories of my own, which I will elaborate on over time. But I know you guys and gals have some good thoughts on this, so let's give it a go!
They work in a way that nuclear reactor gives the power for rotating magnets and EMF pulsating devices, thus creating antigravitational field. The reactor use chemistry element number 115, or above. This allows it to work without radiation. So yu can have small reactor with small shield around it which drive the "sauce".
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 23-06-2013, 12:14 PM #19 ian2day Inactive   Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Ian2day.com Posts: 8,903 Likes: 3 (3 Posts) They could use a form of Ion drive.
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Sure, mercury ion.
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