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View Poll Results: Which martial art do you practice?
Boxing/Wrestling 9 8.11%
Aikido/Jiu-Jitsu/Judo 13 11.71%
Kung-fu/T'ai Chi/Ninjutsu 15 13.51%
Karate/Kenpo/Tae Kwon Do 25 22.52%
Kickboxing/Muay Thai 11 9.91%
Other (established style) 15 13.51%
Self-taught (no style, hybrid style or own style) 23 20.72%
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Old 24-10-2008, 10:23 PM   #21
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Ive been involved in the arts for the last 20yrs.
Been doing the russian systema for last 6yrs. Also done lots of wrestling,boxing etc.Done lots of door work.Trained in Russia bodyguarding courses etc

Its a good disciplin and good therapy.


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Old 24-10-2008, 11:12 PM   #22
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Kung-fu isn't worth a damn at 10 yards against a semi-automatic pistol or rifle. There's a few old sayings I'd like to share with you all:
I have been shot at a few times, and knowing someone is shooting at you, then dodging the bullet isnt all that impossible. Anticipate where the shooter will shoot, and make sure that part of your body moves away.

Even if you have a gun, then that wont help you be agile enough to get out of the line of sight of the shooters. Martial arts can help you do that.

It probably is impossible to move faster than a bullet after its shot, so you will need to make the move while the bullet is going to be shot. As long as there is only one shooter, then keep focus on this one shooter to estimate where the next shoot will be aimed for. If the shooter is really going for the kill and has an automatic gun, although I am happy to say I havent encountered any with such a gun, then dodging will be difficult. If I am not mistaken an automatic gun can be emptied in less than one minute, so it would probably be needed to get some cover if the shooter has a good aim.

Its quite rare that anyone is really going for killing shots though. If you get involved with the kind that does, then martial arts or guns probably wont be much help anyway.
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Old 25-10-2008, 02:47 PM   #23
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My original Karate/TKD from the mid 90's is now serving a life sentence in California for murdering(with a choke hold) the husband of his mistress. Name is Rafiel Torre and it happened 6-7 yrs ago I believe. Left small town Oregon ...moved to SoCal got involved with shady characters, wife swapping...became an egotistical asshole and murderer. Pretty weird because I was always so thankful for his instruction and motivation and training with such a skilled martial artist. It was pretty shocking to say the least. Anyone heard of him or remember this story?
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Old 25-10-2008, 03:10 PM   #24
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Kung-fu isn't worth a damn at 10 yards against a semi-automatic pistol or rifle.
this is true .
but knowing when some one is about to pull the trigger can help dodge the line of fire .

i have noticed that people here say that true martial arts can help train to dodge a bullet .
i say "bullshit" you cant dodge a bullet its too fast .
you can antisipate when the other is about to pull the trigger inwhich evasive action can help take you out of the line of fire , this can be true !

yet ,

lets face facts .

at 10 yards away
having a gun/pistol/rifle , is almost no match for any one no matter what you know , because of you are aware that others can be aware of when you may pull that trigger , then there isnt any getting around that and quite frankly , i have no worries admitting that if i knew i faced a martial artist assasin face on , i wouldnt think twice on using a gun .
yes that might make me some type of chicken , which is a false notion , but it will keep me alive , and make them dead .

i am a realist , and would rather be on the pistol holding side than be ten yards away facing someone with a gun instead .
so lets face facts here . martial arts means nothing to a profesional gun holding combat specialist endstop !

good comment jonas parker .
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Old 25-10-2008, 04:11 PM   #25
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Reflex training, shadow-boxing and kicking, opponent visualization, breathing control techniques, a basic SEAL level fitness workout (as per SERE doctrine - Survival/Escape/Resistance/Evasion), Yoga exercise, Sun T'ai Chi forms (Yin) and meditation comprise the makeup of my physical regimen for survival and personal enhancement.
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Old 25-10-2008, 04:15 PM   #26
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My original Karate/TKD from the mid 90's is now serving a life sentence in California for murdering(with a choke hold) the husband of his mistress. Name is Rafiel Torre and it happened 6-7 yrs ago I believe. Left small town Oregon ...moved to SoCal got involved with shady characters, wife swapping...became an egotistical asshole and murderer. Pretty weird because I was always so thankful for his instruction and motivation and training with such a skilled martial artist. It was pretty shocking to say the least. Anyone heard of him or remember this story?
No, I've never heard the story. Grim, though. Goes to show the Mind is key to everything in martial arts. You can be as tough as you like with as many black belts as you train for, but if the aspects of discipline and spiritual refinement are lacking or neglected in your martial arts training, you will fail. Inevitably.
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Old 25-10-2008, 04:58 PM   #27
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Brazilian jiujitsu . ive also done some judo . i just love the workout its fun and keeps me in shape .
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Old 25-10-2008, 06:42 PM   #28
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Brazilian jiujitsu . ive also done some judo . i just love the workout its fun and keeps me in shape .
BJJ, excellent, do you compete in MMA?
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Old 26-10-2008, 12:57 AM   #29
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No, I've never heard the story. Grim, though. Goes to show the Mind is key to everything in martial arts. You can be as tough as you like with as many black belts as you train for, but if the aspects of discipline and spiritual refinement are lacking or neglected in your martial arts training, you will fail. Inevitably.
woops...forgot to say teacher after TKD...but you got it. Yeah he always had a slight undercurrent of arrogance?? or something that must have gotten way out of hand once he got into that environment. Just for the record he trained with some Gracies and got beat up by Chuck Norris in a pool hall in Code of Silence......BUT.... it was also later revealed that he changed his name( went to HS here....another friend of mine knew him then)... and apparently fabricated stories about Navy Seals and certain MA titles....etc.... However, despite these character "flaws" or indiscrepancies...or whatever.... one fact that remained was when I sparred or grappled with him the power and skill he had was way beyond that of the black belt assistants and teachers under him. In other words he had that "something" but apparently that wasn't enough for him. His ego or whatever seems to have just taken over...in a major way. I still credit him with my continued practice of exercise. training and MA but man it's just SOOO sad to see the downfall of a talented person/MA...but who knows...maybe the story will get better....but then again..I did hear a couple yrs ago that he did get beat up in prison... so anyhow thanks for letting me ramble...it's just been a MA roller coaster for me....
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Old 26-10-2008, 01:31 AM   #30
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Old 26-10-2008, 03:40 AM   #32
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this is true .
but knowing when some one is about to pull the trigger can help dodge the line of fire .

i have noticed that people here say that true martial arts can help train to dodge a bullet .
i say "bullshit" you cant dodge a bullet its too fast .
you can antisipate when the other is about to pull the trigger inwhich evasive action can help take you out of the line of fire , this can be true !

yet ,

lets face facts .

at 10 yards away
having a gun/pistol/rifle , is almost no match for any one no matter what you know , because of you are aware that others can be aware of when you may pull that trigger , then there isnt any getting around that and quite frankly , i have no worries admitting that if i knew i faced a martial artist assasin face on , i wouldnt think twice on using a gun .
yes that might make me some type of chicken , which is a false notion , but it will keep me alive , and make them dead .

i am a realist , and would rather be on the pistol holding side than be ten yards away facing someone with a gun instead .
so lets face facts here . martial arts means nothing to a profesional gun holding combat specialist endstop !

good comment jonas parker .
Well, if its semi-automatic then yes, dodging the first bullet wouldnt help much if the second bullet is well aimed as well, so unless you got into cover by then you would be dead. If it isnt a semi-automatic gun, then you might even dodge the second bullet, in my oppinion. Third bullet would then probably leave you someone defenseless depending on how the first two were dodge and how good the aim of the shooter if. Of course if the shooter is good at anticipating the dodge, then the second bullet would already hit as well.

Comes down to luck and intuition I guess. At any rate, I dont really believe the point of this is to be able to be able to defend against someone with a firearm of any kind. I havent had to dodge a second bullet though, since the shooter wasnt that determined on killing. Was a single act of rage. After a rollover I still looked at him again straight away to be sure a second one wasnt comming my way.

There was one time when a cop fired at me, being a show off, strafing my neck. I didnt anticipate he would do something like that so I didnt dodge. I did let the arteri that got a small opening pump a bit of extra blood just to make him feel sorry though. Made me a bit dizzy though. Still the wound was small enough, so it was basicly closed after I cleaned it.

I dont really know who you expect to be facing that would fire several shots at you with killing intent though. Something I would find quite rare unless you are up against gangsters or something.
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Hi zero . at the moment im not competing, ive only been back training for
2 months after 2yrs off . Had an accident at work caught my arm in a milling machine cutter ,lost about an inch of bone on my left arm .
when i train i use a strong support . im really happy to be back to it
, and the guys take it easy on the arm . Im hoping to compete again in the near future .
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I've done two forms of Karate, Kickboxing & two similar styles of Kung-Fu.. In that very order.
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Hi zero. At the moment I'm not competing, I've only been back training for 2 months after 2 yrs off. Had an accident at work caught my arm in a milling machine cutter, lost about an inch of bone on my left arm. When I train I use a strong support. I'm really happy to be back to it, and the guys take it easy on the arm. I'm hoping to compete again in the near future.
Hey Matt, sorry to hear about the accident. Glad you're back at it though, wish you all the best in training and getting your game on in the ring again.
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Well, if its semi-automatic then yes, dodging the first bullet wouldnt help much if the second bullet is well aimed as well, so unless you got into cover by then you would be dead. If it isnt a semi-automatic gun, then you might even dodge the second bullet, in my oppinion. Third bullet would then probably leave you someone defenseless depending on how the first two were dodge and how good the aim of the shooter if. Of course if the shooter is good at anticipating the dodge, then the second bullet would already hit as well.

Comes down to luck and intuition I guess. At any rate, I dont really believe the point of this is to be able to be able to defend against someone with a firearm of any kind. I havent had to dodge a second bullet though, since the shooter wasnt that determined on killing. Was a single act of rage. After a rollover I still looked at him again straight away to be sure a second one wasnt comming my way.

There was one time when a cop fired at me, being a show off, strafing my neck. I didnt anticipate he would do something like that so I didnt dodge. I did let the arteri that got a small opening pump a bit of extra blood just to make him feel sorry though. Made me a bit dizzy though. Still the wound was small enough, so it was basicly closed after I cleaned it.

I dont really know who you expect to be facing that would fire several shots at you with killing intent though. Something I would find quite rare unless you are up against gangsters or something.
lol you made me laugh . but none the less its true .
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