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Old 08-01-2018, 01:00 AM   #1
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Even without presenting the background to these claims—merely using logic and basic math shows these theories to be false; although no person has provided a fixed number "of worth" alleged per person, take the common claims in "millions" or even "billions" per person then multiple this against the worlds population; there is no possible way such alleged "value" or excess money can even exist in circulation to be earned; showing itself that birth certificates are not being monetized.

This appears to have been influenced by "Jordan Maxwell" pseudonym of Russell Pine, mindlessly regurgitated by those seeking "redemption" and hidden-meanings in the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC) etc. None of these claims are valid for this hypothesis to apply. For example these people cannot claim there is hidden funds and birth certificates are being monetized—yet that whatever representing of alleged funds cannot possibly be seen, it would be impossible to hide such a volume of money.


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DEBUNKING YOUR STRAWMAN!!!
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Old 08-01-2018, 08:51 PM   #3
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I was under impression we are "property of the crown"
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Old 08-01-2018, 09:28 PM   #4
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Even without presenting the background to these claims—merely using logic and basic math shows these theories to be false; although no person has provided a fixed number "of worth" alleged per person, take the common claims in "millions" or even "billions" per person then multiple this against the worlds population; there is no possible way such alleged "value" or excess money can even exist in circulation to be earned; showing itself that birth certificates are not being monetized.
only around 1-2% of currency exists in physical form; the rest is just numbers on a computer screen

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This appears to have been influenced by "Jordan Maxwell" pseudonym of Russell Pine, mindlessly regurgitated by those seeking "redemption" and hidden-meanings in the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC) etc. None of these claims are valid for this hypothesis to apply. For example these people cannot claim there is hidden funds and birth certificates are being monetized—yet that whatever representing of alleged funds cannot possibly be seen, it would be impossible to hide such a volume of money.
If i understand correctly what they are saying is that each birth certificate has a number on it which is then traded on the stock exchange

Each country is in debt to the global investors and is able to borrow because it is held to have collateral in the form of assets. Its human work force is one of its assets
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Old 09-01-2018, 01:24 AM   #5
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Here is what people don't get about the birth certificate thing. Most writing about it don't have the legal and financial background necessary to understand.

Anyway, your birth certificate is a certificate, like a certificate of trust. The holder of which is entitled to beneficial ownership in the TRUST CORPUS, your body.

When tax protesters argue that the court does not have jurisdiction of the subject matter, they misunderstand that THEIR BODY IS THE SUBJECT MATTER, and clearly the court does have subject matter jurisdiction because the subject matter is there arguing with the judge. If you remain silent then the court can consider your silence as affirmative acceptance. Judges are basically like rapists and can rape you if you don't say anything. Again, all they need to establish jurisdiction is your body.

Now there are no secret accounts or secret funds that you can draw on or access. That is not how it works. Basically, ALL of the physical property and chattel secured by the state is pledged as collateral to support the national debt. So your car, secured by the certificate of title, your house secured by your deed, your body secured by your birth certificate, etc. etc. EVERYTHING in the jurisdiction becomes collateral to secure the debt of your state. If you have elected representatives, their job is to borrow for you. They are your trustees and attorneys, which is why so many politicians are lawyers.

Several people like Jordan Maxwell or Winston Shrout have made a lot of money selling seminars and DVDs to confuse this information. They just don't have the practical experience working in law, government, or finance to understand it well. If you think the UCC process from Cracking the Code or any other 'redemption' or 'accepted for value' process of remedy actually works then you are naive and ignorant about how serious government is when borrowing against you for their pension bust out scheme.

Here is a link where the FTC "used" Jordan Maxwell's "copyrighted name" without paying him a red cent despite all of his security agreements and other "frivolous" paperwork.

https://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/case...l-jordan-et-al

Again, the ONLY remedies are:

1. To leave the physical jurisdiction permanently and surrender your passport

2. To "secure" the ENTIRE jurisdiction yourself with superior deadly force [good luck with that] and claim it as your own as the new king of America or whatever

Otherwise, your politicians will continue to borrow against you and share the proceeds with the privileged few, and well as make interest payments for you.
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only around 1-2% of currency exists in physical form; the rest is just numbers on a computer screen
The material which represents the monetary unit shown in either a banknote or a digital equivalent, still exists and can be earned. There is no difference as to the material a nation chooses to represents its money in being redeemable as payment for goods and services.

This subject could easily go off topic, although here are a few concise summaries I have found related while reading through some old works.

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“The true money standard of any country is not the material of which the money is made. The standard is not a concrete object, but a numerical relation. It is the relation between the number of units composing the monetary circulation of the country and the numbers of the population. It is the legal-tender function that constitutes money. It is the power which the law imparts to any material to pay debts and liquidate obligations. It can not for a moment be doubted that the money function, being conferred by the supreme authority, is the all-sufficient guarantee of the money value. There is no necessity for re-enforcing that value with any inferior value that may attach to the material on which the money stamp is placed. The money function is immeasurably the most important that can be conferred by society upon any material, and it is absurd to urge that that function is not of itself sufficient for the maintenance of the value of money. All the value that money can possibly have the totality of value that can exist in the shape of money in any country will attach to anything upon which the sovereign authority stamps it, whether the material on which the stamp is placed be gold, silver, paper, or anything else.” — John P. Jones, "Speech of Hon. John P. Jones, of Nevada. May 12 And 13" (1890), p78-79
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Henry Cernuschi, the great French economist says, “Money is a value created by law, its basis is legal and not material. It is perhaps not easy to convince anyone that the value of metallic money is created by law. It is however the fact. It makes no difference of what material money is composed, whether it is costly or otherwise, the law of legal tender gives value to money…" Judge Tiffany who is said to be authority on Constitutional Law in all the courts, says. Chapter 12, Section (400): “The authority which coins or stamps itself upon the article can select what substance it deems suitable to receive the stamp and pass it as money and it can affix what value it deems proper independent of intrinsic value. The value is in the stamp, not in the metal or material.” – Oscar F. Lumry, “National Suicide and Its Prevention” (1886), p44-45
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“Whatever comes from the supreme and sovereign Power of a Nation, bearing its stamp indicative of its selection as money, is, in truth, money. It was a profound recognition of this principle that inspired the question:—”Whose is this image and superscription?” They say unto him, “Caesar’s.” Then saith he unto them, “Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s and unto God, the things that are God’s.” Through all the ages this answer has stood and stands to-day, the august ultimatum of wisdom affirming that man makes money. Its corollary is that its value, whatever its material, depends solely on his will and that it has no innate infirmity beyond the cure of his law. — Taylor Rogers, "Scientific Money" (1897), p98
The nation could recall all the money and change its material to one different, such as in pebbles then stamped to be recirculated—its still the same unit, only that societies in history have tried the numerous materials and found money issued on banknotes to be best serviced—until the modern age.
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If i understand correctly what they are saying is that each birth certificate has a number on it which is then traded on the stock exchange

Each country is in debt to the global investors and is able to borrow because it is held to have collateral in the form of assets. Its human work force is one of its assets


As stated in the original posting there are no hidden funds to be acquired, the sheer volume being alleged in "millions" to "billions" per person is a ridiculous amount.

Take the population of the United States at a minimum, 300 million likely with a birth certificate, multiple this by the low-end claims to 1 million (rather than "millions"), so 1.000.000 x 300.000.000. No online calculator can even process this digit—its just sheer foolery. The belief that certificates of birth are "bonds" is due to the company that designs and prints some banknotes is the same company. Its a misunderstanding based on guilt-by-association, nothing else.

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Ten: 10 (1 zero)

Hundred: 100 (2 zeros)

Thousand: 1000 (3 zeros)

Ten thousand 10,000 (4 zeros)

Hundred thousand 100,000 (5 zeros)

Million 1,000,000 (6 zeros)

Billion 1,000,000,000 (9 zeros)

Trillion 1,000,000,000,000 (12 zeros)

Quadrillion 1,000,000,000,000,000 (15 zeros)

Quintillion 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 (18 zeros)

Sextillion 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (21 zeros)

Septillion 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (24 zeros)

Octillion 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (27 zeros)

Nonillion 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (30 zeros)

Decillion 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (33 zeros)
The weakest conspiracy theory that I have ever heard.

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Old 09-01-2018, 02:49 PM   #8
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As stated in the original posting there are no hidden funds to be acquired, the sheer volume being alleged in "millions" to "billions" per person is a ridiculous amount.
Consider this....construction is the most dangerous sector to work in in the UK with falls from height being the most common cause of death.

If a man falls from a scaffold and dies the government extracts a punitive fine from the workers employer BEFORE the mans wife is even able to sue for the loss of her husband who may even be the sole breadwinner and have dependents such as children

By the time the government has had its cut of money for the loss of one of its citizens there isn't always something or much left to compensate the mans family

So the government wants compensated for the loss....why is that?

I suggest it's because when the government borrows money the countries assets including its work force are the collateral and the method by which the credit worthiness of the nation is decided

People are literally perceived as 'human resources' by the government and its creditors, to use corporate parlance

When the normans invaded in 1066 they then set about inventorising every person, animal and patch of land to work out what Britain was worth and what their new wealth was. This was then recorded in the Doomsday Book. We've been treated as a resource ever since

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Very Very Very easy for the online calculator I use

This calculator will go to, and I quote:

actually the precision is currently limited to about 226 million digits

http://apfloat.appspot.com/

So lets agree, 1st strike incorrect.
"Parse error at line 1, column 6. Encountered: error-no."ink" .000

Funny.., well those I had tried today wouldn't accept either of these entries.

In 2017 the total net worth of the United States came to 95 trillion, while the net worth of the World was estimated at 250 trillion. So the bare minimum to these claims only of the birth certificates for the US population totals 300 trillion and 300 quadrillion, merely theoretical musings of course while no hidden funds have been shown to even exist.
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Don't go to a link provided by ink. You'll probably get infected by a virus or something if it's his site. Hence 'parse error' aura.
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Old 09-01-2018, 07:59 PM   #11
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I had deleted my posting to follow up with later, then I noticed your reply and decided to post it again, so not to look strange, hence now looking strange. No errors to report.
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ok lol

silly is it not?

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