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Old 15-08-2015, 10:38 PM   #21
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Fix yourself mentally and emotionally become the monkey who will change the other monkey's, a hundred monkey effect.
This only works if the other monkeys want to change - or, moreover, only if the other monkeys have the capacity to change, and if they exist in such a reposited way so as to be comfortable and apathetic in their pantomime, then they will resist change in vehement indiference because change is exactly what they do not wish to seek, adly.

A continued passiveness to the status quo, or 'righteous anger' will not change the world that we percieve, so we need to seek a middle ground and find comfort, salutation, love and adoration in the uniquness of ourselves, without being tainted by the attrocities and the inequalities around us - and allow the positive attitudes to flow from us, to touch others and move on, evolve into something more than....

Roger Waters managed to do just that, to take something, inspiration, and manifest it into something that was able to reach out and connect and flow around and through millions of minds and evolve into soething new..... Something more than Pink Floyd, to become an emotion, a feeling, a tangent, living and breathing something within.... That changed minds not to change the world, at least not to change it in a huge step, but to change it in lots of little steps. Not to heal it in one go, but to help it heal little things.

And on the flip side of that, of that positive wave, there is the darkest aspects of nature and ego that continually turn the tide.

When you switch off Pink Floyd, you still have bills to pay, still have oppresive measures weighing down from an elitest cabalistic mindset of control, and when that cabalistic mindset have weapons of mass destruction and aries and police forces at their disposal, all steering the world into a shape that they wish it to be, a way that they wish it to be, then wishing to change it from that design into something else becomes a fearful one - and sadly there are so many who do not want to change it.

So, like you sy, it is about changing your self, and seeing if that self can be an inspiration for change in others.

It sometimes takes courage to make the changes that are important to you, changes that can put you in danger and hurt people - such changes as Ghandi felt were important enough to stand in a line and be beaten into submission because he was tired of subjugation and oppresion.

Sometimes it takes 100 monkeys to be beaten until the 101st monkey steps up and makes the difference.

The world may very well be broken, but to those who have designed it, it works perfectly.

The eyes that refuse to see that, because they are too comfortable with the status quo will fight tooth and nail to keep their world the way it is.

And they will mock, and criticise, and pour scorn on anyone who tries to change the world.
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Okay...



Is that to say - it speak of 'the problem' but not 'the solution'?



This is a relative point I would agree. Oft the problem externalized only presents a snowballing affect as problem after problem is identified.



Harsh. Would you settle for "Not fully intelligent" ?



Identify 'the agenda' in relation to human consciousness on earth,



A big task but, yes.



Or perhaps it is more how 'the truth' is being presented?
All you see on here is the bleating of the "problems", everything is a false flag, the preaching of religion is evil, even ET is now working with the "shadow government" (love that one), paranoid fantasies that are less and less conspiracy theories and more delusional musings from the exasperated who have no input in the agenda that come across more an more as mentally unbalanced.

Then you get a few espousing "love vibrations" while ten year old's are getting raped, children being displaced and starving all over the globe, it is sickening.

So yes, problems after problems and no comprehension for discussing solutions.

Lest go for "low intelligence", not feeling like being positive today. The full idea is just needing someone to blame. Much like the war on terror. A imaginary bogeyman.

The NWO as far as "human consciousness" has no agenda, yes you have clubs pandering to their imagination of what is happening on the level of the collective consciousness and yes they are probably aware of information relative to dimensional activity, but they do not care for anything but maintaining the system they have developed and to place their mark on history.

What the agenda should be is to unify in the collective appreciation for diversity of our individual tapestry, honour our creation, and reach beyond our stars and explore our dimensional home.

Yes a big task, but there is little apatite for the awakened to work collectively, which makes the task even bigger and propagates the current direction towards a breakdown of the system, when this can be avoided.

The truth is only absolute if you are the creator of existence, the truth from the human perspective can never be deciphered and we should not try, all we can do is create our truth.
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how about locking up the corrupt crooks in government/elites who think themselves above the law ....and using there resources for good purposes.....not holding these people accountable has got us into this mess
And who decides how to use the resourses, who will be in control of them - because 30 million people will never, ever come to one conclusive ideal.

And in any society there needs to be a structure of control, locking up the controllers will just mean that there are empty seats that need filling - and with power there will always be corruption, because power corrupts.

For intance, take away the police and there will be widespread crime - because people's ego will take over and they will steal what they want.

So there will need to be a police to keep the public opperating to some kind of civic order.

Take away the banks, and money, and people will go mad, they will empty the shops of goods and other people will starve - makinds greed let loose would never be containable.

Sure the system is corrupt, but it will need another system in its place if ever it were to change dramatically, and that syetem will need to be controlled by controllers.

You can not just re-write the system without having a worthwhile plan of ction to take its place.

And you can not just remove government and replace it with nothing, because government do attend to things that need attending to.

Yes the current gvt is corrupt - but what do you replace it with that can oversee the running of the country and its society?

We need to do away with corruption, at all levels, and to do that we need a gvt that is publically accountable to those that it serves, at every level.
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how about locking up the corrupt crooks in government/elites who think themselves above the law ....and using there resources for good purposes.....not holding these people accountable has got us into this mess
Okay.

So what's your plan in relation to this idea deca?
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And who decides how to use the resourses, who will be in control of them - because 30 million people will never, ever come to one conclusive ideal.

And in any society there needs to be a structure of control, locking up the controllers will just mean that there are empty seats that need filling - and with power there will always be corruption, because power corrupts.

For intance, take away the police and there will be widespread crime - because people's ego will take over and they will steal what they want.

So there will need to be a police to keep the public opperating to some kind of civic order.

Take away the banks, and money, and people will go mad, they will empty the shops of goods and other people will starve - makinds greed let loose would never be containable.

Sure the system is corrupt, but it will need another system in its place if ever it were to change dramatically, and that syetem will need to be controlled by controllers.

You can not just re-write the system without having a worthwhile plan of ction to take its place.

And you can not just remove government and replace it with nothing, because government do attend to things that need attending to.

Yes the current gvt is corrupt - but what do you replace it with that can oversee the running of the country and its society?

We need to do away with corruption, at all levels, and to do that we need a gvt that is publically accountable to those that it serves, at every level.
The answer is complete and open transparency with no private ownership.
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again you have to hold people accountable to their actions especially if they hold office or a position of power and influence..simple as

you can`t have a system were people believe they are above that system and laws of that system and some how believe they are not accountable for their actions .....the only people that should not be held accountable are people ether too young or mentally unable to be responsible for their actions and they should not be in these positions.

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its a naive and volatile thought to presume the changing of the world isnt based on everyone gaining the tools for self transformation, By being a person who transforms into one that regards life as the opportunity to express love and mutual support, you create visual tools for those around you and it spreads , little by little. nothing else is going to fix anything, without that , oligarchies and tyranny are a must because of the emotional potential for mass volatility.
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its a naive and volatile thought to presume the changing of the world isnt based on everyone gaining the tools for self transformation, By being a person who transforms into one that regards life as the opportunity to express love and mutual support, you create visual tools for those around you and it spreads , little by little. nothing else is going to fix anything, without that , oligarchies and tyranny are a must because of the emotional potential for mass volatility.
Changing the world is a cross generational perspective accounting for the good of humanity in where we are heading and issues that we will a have to contend with.

Changing your self is limited to your time on this blue dot.

The two are mutually exclusive.
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This only works if the other monkeys want to change - or, moreover, only if the other monkeys have the capacity to change, and if they exist in such a reposited way so as to be comfortable and apathetic in their pantomime, then they will resist change in vehement indiference because change is exactly what they do not wish to seek, adly.

A continued passiveness to the status quo, or 'righteous anger' will not change the world that we percieve, so we need to seek a middle ground and find comfort, salutation, love and adoration in the uniquness of ourselves, without being tainted by the attrocities and the inequalities around us - and allow the positive attitudes to flow from us, to touch others and move on, evolve into something more than....

Roger Waters managed to do just that, to take something, inspiration, and manifest it into something that was able to reach out and connect and flow around and through millions of minds and evolve into soething new..... Something more than Pink Floyd, to become an emotion, a feeling, a tangent, living and breathing something within.... That changed minds not to change the world, at least not to change it in a huge step, but to change it in lots of little steps. Not to heal it in one go, but to help it heal little things.

And on the flip side of that, of that positive wave, there is the darkest aspects of nature and ego that continually turn the tide.

When you switch off Pink Floyd, you still have bills to pay, still have oppresive measures weighing down from an elitest cabalistic mindset of control, and when that cabalistic mindset have weapons of mass destruction and aries and police forces at their disposal, all steering the world into a shape that they wish it to be, a way that they wish it to be, then wishing to change it from that design into something else becomes a fearful one - and sadly there are so many who do not want to change it.

So, like you sy, it is about changing your self, and seeing if that self can be an inspiration for change in others.

It sometimes takes courage to make the changes that are important to you, changes that can put you in danger and hurt people - such changes as Ghandi felt were important enough to stand in a line and be beaten into submission because he was tired of subjugation and oppresion.

Sometimes it takes 100 monkeys to be beaten until the 101st monkey steps up and makes the difference.

The world may very well be broken, but to those who have designed it, it works perfectly.

The eyes that refuse to see that, because they are too comfortable with the status quo will fight tooth and nail to keep their world the way it is.

And they will mock, and criticise, and pour scorn on anyone who tries to change the world.
Dont you think all us 'monkey's' want a better world? A life that is free from economic pressures. Even the uber rich who are tight as a fish's arse when it comes to spending money they are so afraid of loosing it, but deep down they want love and acceptance and a better life for their children.

I know what your saying TMZ, but mate we can't fight fire with fire and I dont want to get hurt because it will effect my loved ones. I'm not going to stick my neck out so that it can get chopped off, however there is another way and thats just talking to people about this NWO which is based on money and power, everyone I've talked to agrees, it's all about money and screwing us into the ground so that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

Talk to people, dont go an about the 'Jews', 'Christians', 'the Muslims' or reptilian's that just put's people off and set's up a barrier. A quite word effects the quite heart, you get more done that way. Rising that universal conscious is the only way to make the changes we all want to see.
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to answer your question, in my opinion the world is already regulating itself pretty much balancing positive with negative or it would cease to exist if the negative was the dominant force.
and I came to consider that an all Loving world would not self destruct unless by consentual choice, as true love is beyond positive and beyond negative.
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Okay. Have you heard the expression "Be the change you want to see in The World?"
who didn't and if you will check this... it is the same thing as "fix yourself first and the world will follow"
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The thread and OP speak about connecting the dots and coming up with a plan together. Getting on the same page. So in relation to the subjective it is a matter of seeing if indeed what you think and what I think are at all anything which can be worked with together.
what about the right of the ones who want to create and learn from evil to have it their way too? and what about the ones who want to fight evil, they will be out of job with no more evil around. my best guess is those would make some more
and lastly, cause everyone seems to think only about the "victim" rights (from a point of view 99% of us... LOL), what if the said victims have signed an agreement to play the game so lessons are learned and debt paid back fasterrrr.

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Well there you go. So if The World is already regulating itself in a balanced way, there is really nothing to 'fix'.
I did not say that.
I said the world is learning by balancing positive with negative as per script.
but there is the second option to consciously shift in the direction of Love Only, *WILLINGLY*, one by one, through education.
People have to see value is being/having an all loving environment or they won't sustain it.
Let's imagine a Loving world, would people be so happy in it they would never want to leave it?
Or are we just talking about imposing Love and order on everyone who wants it and who doesn't?
Do we assume everybody wants a loving environment?
Did anyone here watch the movie "Equilibrium"? I think it's one of the most enlightening movies ever.

But anyway, it is true at our most basic level all we want is love. Except we must learn how to be it. No one can give it to us as a ready model and say here it is for free, just enjoy it nicely. We can't. First we have to want it, then to choose it, then to overcome our internal resistance to it. And when we are it... the Prison bars become obvious. The Golden Cage and all and we will be like "OK that's it, what a silly thing! Let's get out of here already"
The only reason the good ones are still hanging around is to teach others that the cage is open, period.
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its a naive and volatile thought to presume the changing of the world isnt based on everyone gaining the tools for self transformation, By being a person who transforms into one that regards life as the opportunity to express love and mutual support, you create visual tools for those around you and it spreads , little by little. nothing else is going to fix anything, without that , oligarchies and tyranny are a must because of the emotional potential for mass volatility.
That's how I see it too.
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Okay. Have you heard the expression "Be the change you want to see in The World?"

The thread and OP speak about connecting the dots and coming up with a plan together. Getting on the same page. So in relation to the subjective it is a matter of seeing if indeed what you think and what I think are at all anything which can be worked with together.




Well there you go. So if The World is already regulating itself in a balanced way, there is really nothing to 'fix'.






Yes you did.



Why are you being emotional? If you disagree then why not simply withdraw from the thread?







How did you manage that? Maybe thinking you are free and actually being free are not the same thing.
Im free as Im happy to be. Not everyone is living in guilt as prescribed.

I can sympathise with your mentality but the world does not need to be fixed. It needs to be lived in. Some peoples ideas of what living is needs to be questioned, but fuck them, they will be dealt with accordingly in "my world" I lose sleep like I lose weight, when im ill.

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I don`t see the problem with normal people ...most people are just trying to live their life....its the corrupted system we live under
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I have skimmed your thread linked in your sig and see what you are saying. The whole monetary system started from bartering, and the values human beings place upon things.

I am not convinced that localized co-operatives is a permanent answer against trans national corporations because trans national corporations evolved from localised co-operatives to begin with.

I think at local levels though, the idea of trading goods for goods, service for service etc has a positive effect.

It can effectively cut out the 'middle man.'

Indeed, even at the trans national corporation levels inter-coperation and trading goods for goods and service for service could work just as well.

The invention of coin and the further invention of usury in relation to coin is what corrupted that idea.



I think this is very true. Precisely.

How likely is it that such a thing will happen though? That question is not one we need to ask The World, but one we need to ask our self.
Its happening right now In Rojava Syria..A bottum up direct democracy where local municipalities make the desicions by vote..businesses are worker owned co-ops, nature, ecology is put first over profit and permaculture is promoted with a massive emphasis on equality.

Could this ever happen in westernworld is the question..people have become lazy and less able to think for themselves , taking orders is all they know..

The biggest co-op confederation is in the basque country who share a stuggle very similer to the Kurds, and are well able to think and act for them selves, yet since the EU and Euro the workers there voted for less responsiblity empowering the executive which fell for the debt trap..But the model is there.

I had some major changes in my life so that idea in the thread is on hold but not forgotten..Been thinking blockchain tech and the decentralised philsophy behind it is the way to go and where i may get support..Admin being the biggest problem with co-ops , the free public ledger the blockchain provides may solve this problem?

But still feel strongly the decentralised democratic nature of co-ops is the way society should be going if it ever wants peace and prosperity..
End of the day though its up to us to be the change we want to see, which requires dedicated work..

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Changing the world is a cross generational perspective accounting for the good of humanity in where we are heading and issues that we will a have to contend with.

Changing your self is limited to your time on this blue dot.

The two are mutually exclusive.
only if youre ignorant. the more i change myself for the above prescribed the more i see others changing around me. you think that change is an external thing but it isnt, Ghandi didnt say be the change from an idiots perspective, and it is a fact that any other point of view is limited in knowledge /ignorant
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verndewd you been on here for years , you not changed shit and still trying to influence people into being blind passive morons ....good luck
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Good Question OP..

I have long thought localised co-operatives opposed to trans national corporations...I could go on a lot more but time is not on my side today

And of day though its up to us to forget our petty differences and work together no one will do it for us..

Google Rojava they are doing it..
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I agree, work for and together in smaller numbers and adjust as the better ideas and ways of reciprocal efficiency emerge.

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