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Old 22-08-2013, 04:05 PM   #21
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Herd immunity? The vaccine equivalent of the tooth fairy or the holy ghost, except that the concept of the holy ghost is not quite as silly.
You seem to be a bit confused as to what herd immunity is. This video seems to explain it quite well

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Old 02-11-2013, 05:35 PM   #22
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Just an update.

Daughter is now 10 weeks old.

We had her checks at 8 weeks, and they booked the jabs.

We just walked out after she had been checked.

Daughter is doing fine, such a happy smiley baby

12 week check soon, then the health visitor will call and check her red book.

That's when the fun starts when she realises no vaccines were given at 8 weeks.

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Just an update.

Daughter is now 10 weeks old.

We had her checks at 8 weeks, and they booked the jabs.

We just walked out after she had been checked.

Daughter is doing fine, such a happy smiley baby

12 week check soon, then the health visitor will call and check her red book.

That's when the fun starts when she realises no vaccines were given at 8 weeks.

Good for you I'm currently expecting my first child, but I left UK and moved to Spain. They're going to have a fit at the hospital when they realise I'm planning a home birth *smirk*
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Just an update.

Daughter is now 10 weeks old.

We had her checks at 8 weeks, and they booked the jabs.

We just walked out after she had been checked.

Daughter is doing fine, such a happy smiley baby

12 week check soon, then the health visitor will call and check her red book.

That's when the fun starts when she realises no vaccines were given at 8 weeks.

It's really none of their business what decision you've made, or what sources of information you've based your decision on. If I'd decided not to vaccinate, I'd just say, "Thanks for the offer, we're not sure, so we don't want to discuss it right now". Any further chat would be met with a blank stare.

Looking at it from the opposite POV, what information can doctors or nurses give you that isn't freely available on the internet? They don't have a secret store of knowledge that is unavailable to mere mortals; half of these idiots couldn't tell you who Leo Kanner is.

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Old 03-11-2013, 03:24 AM   #25
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Congratulations AA, hope all goes well.

Congratulations Vinny19791.

I did not want any vacinations for our children and I still feel this way, however, we have had both our children vacinated.

As a reality check I would like to relate a couple of experiences I have had.

Around the time we had our first child a good friends sister had given birth to her second child, they had the child vaccinated, can't remember now which set of vacinations were given but when they were given, within hours the child started to have a fit. The parents were at home and they called the ambulance that duly arrived and took them to hospital. While in the ambulance the child was still fitting and the paramedics deemed the type of fit to be so unusual that they videoed the events on a mobile phone so that they could show the doctors upon arrival at the hospital. The hopsiptal did its thing and they child was ok. After the incident my friends sister spoke to the doctors and explained that this was their second child and when they had had the same vacinations for the first child, the first child had an identical fit, they had been rushed to hospital and the child had recovered, they put that down to a one off but now it had happened a second time for the second child, with an identical fit so unusual that the paramedics deemed worth recording rather than trying to explain it to the doctors they, as parents were now wondering whether the vacinations could have been the cause. It was made clear to them that if they made any accusation about the vacination or continued to ascribe the fits being caused by the vaccines then the hospital would call in social services and it was strongly implied that they might not be the childrens parents for much longer. My friends sister, a prim and proper academic type decided, in her words, not to raise her head above the parapit and drop the whole thing and hope that such events did not happen again after any further vacinations. They were scared off. The children are now fine and apparently there has been no long lasting damage and no more bad reactions to vaccines.

The point is, if you are going to refuse vaccinations then you had better be prepared for the backlash and possible SS intervention that may follow, equally if you accept the vaccinations then you have to be prepared for the possible negative effects. I don't know which is worse, risking the vaccinations or the wrath of social services for refusing.

The second experience relates to our first child and natural birth. My wife elected to have a 'water birth' Slough hospital was very accomodating with this and at our anti natal classes the midwife explained that we were free to choose our birth and we could elect for water birth with plinky plonky new age music if we liked, BUt at the first sign of any complications or distress to the baby we would be whisked out of the water birth room and taken down to the ward where the hospital would intervene. This would happen at the first sign of complications or no progression.

On the night of the birth we arrived at the hospital several hours after labor had begun, our midwife explained that she had recently had a child and she achieved childbirth naturally at home without drugs. My wife was also keen not to use drugs and once the time was right she was moved into the pool. Things seemed to be progressing normally and at midnight was checked for dilation. Then the pain started to intensify and my wife began asking about pain relief. The midwife tried to reassure my wife and myself that everything was ok and witheld pain relief. At about 2-3am my wife was in agony and begging for help, she was crying out for an epidural. The midwife refused, said it was too late and it would have to happen naturally. They were monitoring the baby's heart rate and there was signs of distress but the midwife was adamant everything was ok. The situation continued for several hours more, my wife's screams and pains intensified and I was very uncomfortable with the situation. Eventually at 7am, 17-18 hours after labor began we was transferred down to the ward, the midwife left with a flippant comment that my wife was a 'drama queen'

The day doctor arrived and ordered and epidural, he informed me that my wife would soon stop complaining. By this time I was so distressed I had called my wifes parents, they took a taxi from south london to slough to be with us.

Around 11am, nearly 24 hours after water breaking and with no further dilation than had been recorded at midnight previously another doctor came into to see my wife, he checked the records, monitored the baby's heartbeat and then shouted for the room to be cleared, the nurses went into overdrive, I and the my wifes parents were pushed out of the room and the doctor cut my wife open, there was no time for a cesarian, he pulled the baby out with the umbilical cord wrapped twice around the baby's neck, the baby was was not breathing. They resucitated her and after a few minutes told us she was doing ok.

I am adamant that we were minutes from losing that baby and it was only the second doctors correct diagnosis and quick action that prevented a loss of life. It was the first midwife's insistence that 'any mother' could do it without pain relief and her attempt to force my wife into doing it without relief that caused a lot of pain and put our baby at risk. The midwife had explained it was her last night at the hospital before going to be a on call midwife and that she wanted to 'prove' that mothers could easily give birth without assistance or pain relief before leaving the ward. I believe her 'blind' belief that all was ok put our baby at risk and caused my wife great pain.

I still cannot forget or forgive myself for the screams of pain and begging for help that came from my wife that were ignored unneccessarily for nearly 12 hours, had we lost the baby, I would not have been able to live with myself. I cannot forgive the doctors or midwife for their dissmissal of the situation blaming my wife as a drama queen. I would like to point out that a baby with an umbilical cord wrapped twice around the neck is NOT going to be born naturally without intervention no matter how hard a person wishes it. I would not advise home birth for the first child unless professional help is only minutes away.

The experience of our second child, who is now 7 months old was not much better, my wife was adamant that we would not have any complications and told the hospital she wanted an epidural at the earliest point possible. After term was reached we went in for an inducement, they tried several of the ususal procedures but nothing seemed to start labor off. We eventually was given a room and a new mid wife who checked my wife over and said there was still hours to go. My wife went off to the toilet and when she came out she told the midwife there was a lot of blood. The midwife checked my wife over and then called the doctor, we was told she was having the baby right now and there was no time for an epidural. The doctor came in, checked my wife and then without any pain relief, cut her open and pulled the baby out with vontuse, he had to use his hand to pull my wifes cervix over the baby's head. It was a very painful birth. The midwife later appoloigised to my wife for the way the birth happened. I cannot believe that despite being at the hospital for over 24 hours there was no time for any pain relief whatsoever and Dawn had to endure such a painful few minutes to deliver our second child. I have always known my wife is not a drama queen and she has my utmost respect for the way she coped with both births.
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Old 03-11-2013, 08:43 AM   #26
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It's really none of their business what decision you've made, or what sources of information you've based your decision on. If I'd decided not to vaccinate, I'd just say, "Thanks for the offer, we're not sure, so we don't want to discuss it right now". Any further chat would be met with a blank stare.
Of course as they expect you to act like robots like everyone else!
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Old 03-11-2013, 05:05 PM   #27
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Just say no. You have the right to refuse and you don't have to give a reason. My son didn't have any - they gave us the appointment after his first check up and we just didn't go. The only time I was questioned was when I took him to the doctor at about six months old because he'd scalded his arm. She gave me this spiel about the number of children in India who die of measles every year and I just laughed and pointed out that we aren't in India. On the whole I feel it's better not to be challenging about it. Just a polite but firm no thanks will usually prevent any aggro. Stand your ground rather than go on the attack.

And for what it's worth - my father was a GP, an old fashioned doctor who believed there was a pill for every ill and even he didn't agree with vaccinations for childhood illnesses. The only ones he recommended were polio and tetanus, everything else he said and I quote ' the best way to strengthen the childs immune system is to let them have measles, mumps and the rest'. I remember him years ago talking about the whooping cough vaccine and how dangerous it was, that no doctors would give it to their children.

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Old 03-11-2013, 10:34 PM   #28
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If vaccines really worked then there would be no need to force and coerce people into getting them. It would be your choice, and if you believed they worked, and if they did indeed work, then after getting yours you would have no need to fear those of us who didn't get them because you would be immune to those diseases. So why is it that people who are pro-vaccine are so afraid of people who don't get them?

Because somewhere deep down inside of them, in that part that is still sane and rational, they know vaccines are a scam.

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RIGHT. But its still sort of at a subconscious level for those that
know it is a scam. Why is the govmnt NOT forcing natural remedies
and holistic practices and HERBS and vitamins on the MASS PEOPLE??
Because you are RIGHT in saying the above. It is just scary everyday watching the ppl all around me hypnotized. I feel bad for them.
I feel outta place but i try not to be around humans. Thats y i have five cats. I wonder what the asleep sheep ppl would do if the GOVMNT started FORCING HERBS and VITAMINS on ppl and natural medicine. I guarantee you most of the ppl would think "omg govmnt is trying to KILL us".
When you ask the sheep ppl about herbs and shit, they will say "i heard too much garlic and eating too many apples and oranges will kill you". Wahhhh wahhhhhhh. Oh now i know what is causing all the autism. Vaccines.
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I feel the same way!!!!!

I feel sorry for people but @ the same time,DONT WANNA BE AROUND THEM!!!!

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Old 10-11-2013, 09:17 PM   #30
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Our son is now almost 11 months old. We didn't has him vaccinated, no vitamin k either.
We've been 'warned about risks' several times at the regular infant checkup but just politely said thanks but no thanks.

He has been completely healthy , no issue at all. He's had a sniffle lasting a day or two twice and that's it.

I should also say that he is not isolated but goes to play groups etc and mixes with other babies. He eats we'll sleeps well and is generally a happy and content baby.
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Well good for your baby

Please give your little one a hug for me and I hope good things continue!!


God bless you all!!
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It's thanks to vaccines that smallpox no longer exists and that polio is now almost eradicated worldwide bar Pakistan, Afghanistan, and a few African countries.

I would invite those who are concerned about vaccination to look at the bigger picture here.
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WE ARE LOOKING AT THE BIGGER PICTURE!!!!!


HEALTH ISSUES LONG TERM BECAUSE YOU INJECTED GARBAGE INTO YOU FOR A SHORT TERM GAIN!!!!!!

We are looking believe me!!!!!!

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WE ARE LOOKING AT THE BIGGER PICTURE!!!!!


HEALTH ISSUES LONG TERM BECAUSE YOU INJECTED GARBAGE INTO YOU FOR A SHORT TERM GAIN!!!!!!

We are looking believe me!!!!!!
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Another update

Took a phone call last week from my medical centre.

They said we need to book your child's immunsiatations.

I said oh are they mandatory,

No they said but we recommend them, I said but you made it sound like mandatory.

She apologised and said I'd have to sign a form.

No worries I said.

So hopefully that's the end of the aggro
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Just read the whole thread and agree with everyone apart from Winegums and Comawhite (who still seem to be hypnotised and provax).

Well done and congratulations Vinny, your doing a great job, should I have a child I will be doing the exact same, believe me.

Also I just wanted to share the following:

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The people who want to keep you and your children. sick.. run the indoctrination camps..

"So when you think about the said things in a broader picture, the real purpose of the mold of education is to inflict a sort of brain damage that robs children and young men and women of their ability to engage in any type of real thinking and critical observance, constantly coercing them to accept everything that I told to them as truth or, in a more milder form, let emotions dictate their way of political or other types of opinions"

That's when Frederick the Great introduced compulsory education in Prussia to brainwash children into mindless obedience. Other governments including the US government then copied his system, for the same purpose.

Along with vaccination, fluoridation, government propaganda and the mainstream media, the education system is used to dumb us down because people who are sick and stupid are so much easier to manipulate, control and exploit than healthy and intelligent people.

"It is perfectly possible for a man to be out of prison, and yet not free - to be under no physical constraint and yet to be a psychological captive, compelled to think, feel and act as the representatives of the national state, or of some private interest within the nation, wants him to think, feel and act.

"The nature of psychological compulsion is such that those who act under constraint remain under the impression that they are acting on their own initiative. The victim of mind-manipulation does not know that he is a victim. To him the walls of his prison are invisible, and he believes himself to be free. That he is not free is apparent only to other people. His servitude is strictly objective."
Brave New World Revisited, Aldous Huxley, 1958

"The system is designed to take away their ability to think for themselves" - High school teacher

"What I see is human suffering, everyday. 100 kids a day for 60 it's pretty miserable, herded around like sheep, judged by their peers, beaten up, low level harassment by adults, getting screamed at, eating horrible food, being treated like an animal"... by a high school teacher..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq2FdNElL9U

"The American Public Education System was directly imported from Prussia (modern day Germany). This model of "free and compulsory" education was designed by the Prussian Emperor, in order to generate obedient workers and soldiers who would not question his authority.

In the 1830’s, American Lawmaker Horace Mann visited Prussia and researched its education methodology. He was infatuated with the emperor’s method of eliminating free thought from his subjects and designed an education system for Massachusetts directly based on these concepts. The movement then quickly spread nationally. "

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=26253

Seeking to replace the controlling functions of the local aristocracy, the Prussian court attempted to instill social obedience in the citizens through indoctrination. Every individual had to become convinced, in the core of his being, that the King was just, his decisions always right, and the need for obedience paramount.[citation needed]

The schools imposed an official language, to the prejudice of ethnic groups living in Prussia. The purpose of the system was to instill loyalty to the Crown and to train young men for the military and the bureaucracy. As the German philosopher Johann Gottlieb Fichte, a key influence on the system, said, "If you want to influence [the student] at all, you must do more than merely talk to him; you must fashion him, and fashion him in such a way that he simply cannot will otherwise than what you wish him to will." [1]

Emulation of the Prussian education system in the United States

American educators were fascinated by German educational trends. In 1818, John Griscom gave a favorable report of Prussian education. English translations were made of French philosopher Victor Cousin's work, "Report on the State of Public Education in Prussia." Calvin E. Stowe, Henry Barnard, Horace Mann, George Bancroft and Joseph Cogswell all had a vigorous interest in German education. In 1843, Mann traveled to Germany to investigate how the educational process worked. Upon his return to the United States, he lobbied heavily to have the "Prussian model" adopted.

Mann convinced his fellow modernizers, especially those in the Whig Party to legislate tax-supported elementary public education in their states. Indeed, most northern states adopted one version or another of the system he established in Massachusetts, especially the program for "normal schools" to train professional teachers.[2] In 1852, Mann was instrumental in the decision to adopt the Prussian education system in Massachusetts. Soon New York state set up the same method in 12 different schools on a trial basis.

Along with his other masterpiece ("Dumbing Us Down"), "Weapons of Mass Instruction" reveals, in the author's own words, "the dark world of compulsory schooling". It's not a pretty place.

Far from being a place where a love of learning is cultivated and encouraged, public schools seek to discourage their pupils from developing self-reliance and independence.

"Every politically controlled educational system will inculcate the doctrine of state supremacy sooner or later. . . . Once that doctrine has been accepted, it becomes an almost superhuman task to break the stranglehold of the political power over the life of the citizen. It has had his body, property and mind in its clutches from infancy. An octopus would sooner release its prey. A tax-supported, compulsory educational system is the complete model of the totalitarian state.The extent of the power exercised, and its final implications are not yet recognized in the United States, because parents are *allowed* to send their children to private schools or to educate them at home--although they must still pay the school tax. But when tat permission is granted, and the educational standard is prescribed, it is revocable; it is no longer a right but a permission. In Russia, in Germany, it is no longer permitted. –Isabel Paterson, The God of the Machine (1943)

John Taylor Gatto himself was an award-winning public school teacher. He saw firsthand the damage done to young minds and set about to change that through his writing. Once you've read his work, you'll never look at public schooling the same.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...qid=1377534639

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First post, although long time lurker, over the past year particularly the saville case, then the woolwich incident.

My 2nd daughter is due in 7 weeks and I do not wish to vaccinate her at all.

My other daughter is 10 and she has been diagnosed with autism ( she does t live me with me and I don't agree with it) although I guess the professionals know best , when I do see her though her behaviour is a little odd and she seems in her own world sometimes, bless her


My partner who is expecting my daughter is slowly coming round to my way of thinking.

How do we deal with the uk medical profession when we say no we don't want vaccines, I don't even want the vitamin k supplement. The whole thing stinks

Any advice appreciated.

Ps ordered. This book

Vaccine Safety Manual for Concerned Families and Health Practitioners: Guide to Immunization Risks and Protection [Paperback]

Neil Z. Miller (Author)

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All I can say is do not do it there is no protection by doing so but it can make people extremely ill even as adults. I was made very ill from one as an adult so kids stand no chance,it is evil business and big money for Dr's and now Pharmacists who push it. I had viral pneumonia from it and loss of balance couldn't walk in straight line for ages and was in late thirties at the time. I had worst infection of my life and it caused profound chronic conditions.

All drugs and vaccines can damage Thyroid gland and the gut of any child should be first investigated as to health of gut flora before any vaccines and with say Autism Gluten and Casein are allergens for them in refined wheat and sugars and milks. I learned that from Autism Research Unit at Sunderland University some years ago via Prof Malcolm Hooper and Paul Shattock. Just Google his name it should come up with some info.

I make my own medicine for such infections like using cup of raw runny honey, Aspalls organic cider vinegar and 5 garlic cloves although i personally use whole head of garlic, but latterly begun with Hydrogen Peroxide Food Grade and Distilled Water via www.bobbyshealthyshop.co.uk to see if it would cure my adult son's flu and bronchitis,it did rapidly.

People need good nutrients not assaulted with nasty synthetic drugs from Big Pharma. Naturopath Dr's and Homeopathic Dr's would be better away from NHS. I do everything myself though these days. I trust no doctors whatsoever anymore.

Not seen Winegums on here for a but but involved with Pharma if my memory serves me right!

When my son was a baby i so wished i'd never had any vaccinations but i was oblivious to the harm they do cause all those decades ago,he proceeded to have eczema and lots of food allergies after them and infections he could take any baby foods at all and even sun light his face would swell up. If i had known then what i know now i wouldn't have taken him near any Drs. Plus i would have Home Educated so he wasn't victim of either bullying or mind controlled by Gov't learning.

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Have you seen the form you have to sign yet? Am curious as in the UK too and decided after first set to put my foot down and having none further! I have heard from various people around me that they acknowledge if you choose not to further vax when you inform them about your decision but just keep on sending the invite letters. But I have also heard a nurse coming to the house to come and do them at home! *shocked* to say least! Keep us up to date thanks
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Update time

Daughter is 1 now, walking, starting to talk, smart kid!

Had our check up a few weeks ago.

All fine, health worker asked about immunisations. I explained we had made an informed decision not to have them.

She said "that's fine"

Was polite and she didn't try and change our minds or anything.

So I thanked her for not jumping down my throat.

I still have never seen an opt out form but so far so good.

Daughter has had a few colds, few chesty days but I suppose having brothers and sisters she will catch a few things.

But she's happy, eats anything including dirt and all is good
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Good to hear! I'm chasing behind you; my daughter's 16wks and vaccine-free. She's had one cold so far and is happy and healthy. We have a checkup next week, will be interesting to see if they are more pushy this time (Spain).
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