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Old 13-04-2013, 02:34 AM   #1
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Here are some exerts from Ed Leedskalnin's book 'Magnetic Current'
It explains how to make what Ed calls a generator to which he claims to hold the patent for.


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MAGNETIC CURRENT

Copyright August, 1945

By Edward Leedskalnin



This writing is lined up so when you read it you look East, and all the description you will read about magnetic current, it will be just as good for your electricity.



Following is the result of my two years experiment with magnets at Rock Gate, seventeen miles Southwest from Miami, Florida. Between Twenty-fifth and Twenty-sixth Latitude and Eightieth and Eighty-first Longitude West.

All my hanging magnets or compasses they never point to the earth's magnetic pole, neither to the geographical pole. They point a little Northeast. The only reason I can figure out why they point in that way is, looking from the same geographical meridian the North magnetic pole is on, the South magnetic pole is one hundred and fifteen longitudes West from it. In rough estimation the earth's South magnetic pole is two hundred and sixty miles West from the same meridian the earth's North magnetic pole is on. That causes the North and South Pole magnets to run in Northeast and Southwest direction My location is too far away from the magnetic poles so all my magnets are guided by the general stream of individual North and South Pole magnets that are passing by.


Now I will tell you what magnetic current is. Magnetic current is the same as electric current is a wrong expression. Really it is not one current, they are two currents, one current is composed of North Pole individual magnets in concentrated streams and the other is composed of South Pole individual magnets in concentrated streams, and they are running one stream against the other stream in whirling, screwlike fashion, and with high speed. One current alone if it be North Pole magnet current or South Pole magnet current it cannot run alone. To run one current will have to run against the other.

In a car battery the North Pole magnets run out of positive terminal and South Pole magnets run out of negative terminal. Both kinds of magnets are running, one kind of magnets against the other kind, and are running in the same right-hand screw fashion. By using the same whirling motion and running one kind of magnets against the other kind, they throw their own magnets from the wire in opposite directions. That is why if you put a magnet metal across the copper wire the one end is North Pole and the other end South Pole.


This time you will make an equipment that can he used for four purposes. Electric magnet, transformer, generator and holder of perpetual motion. Bend iron or soft steel bar one and one half inch in diameter, bend in a U shape each prong a foot long, and three inches between the prongs, make two spools from brass or aluminum six inches long and big enough for the bar to go in. Wind fifteen hundred turns of insulated copper wire, size sixteen, on each spool. Put on as close to the bend as it will go. Connect the battery with the coils so that each current is running in both coils at the same time, and so that one end of the bar is North Pole and the other South Pole. Now you have an electric magnet.

This time the same thing will be a transformer. It will not be economical, it is only to show how a transformer works. Wind a coil of fifteen hundred turns with insulated copper wire, size eighteen, on a spool less than three inches long, so that one inch and a half square iron rod can go in easy, get two rods, one three, the other six inches long. If possible have them from laminated iron. Get two radio blue bead, six to eight-volt light bulbs. Now connect one light bulb with the three-inch coil, put the coil without a core between the loose ends of the iron prongs, connect the six-inch coils with battery, leave negative terminal open. Tap the negative terminal, then you will see the wire inside the light bulb turn red. Put iron core in the coil's hole, tap the battery, this time it will make light. Why did it not make just as much light the first time? The battery put just as much magnet in those iron prongs the first time as it did the last time, but as you see the coil did not get the magnets. Now you see the soft iron has a lot to do to make magnetic currents.


Now about the generator. In the first place all currents are alternating. To get direct currents we have to use a commutator. Transformers and generators of any description are making the currents in the same way by filling the coil's iron core with magnets and letting the iron core push them out and into the coil. Connect the battery with the electric magnet. it will be a field magnet now. Put the three-inch coil between the iron prongs. and take it out, do it fast. repeat it, then you will have a steady light in the light bulb. Now you and the field magnet are a generator. Suppose you had a wheel and many coils around the wheel turning, then you would. be making all kinds of light. Do not make the machine, I already have the application for patent in the Patent Office. I made ten different machines to make magnetic currents, but I found this combination between field magnets and coils the most efficient. Put the coil in slowly and take it out slowly, then you will have no light. That will show, to make magnetic currents, the time is important.
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Get that Alnico magnet, and make it so you can turn it wound if possible more than two thousand revolutions a minute. Connect the light bulb with the perpetual motion holder, put it on the spinning Alnico magnet in the hole between prongs and the square iron bar, now spin the Alnico magnet around and see how much of the light you get. Now take the iron bar off, then you will get more of the light. It shows that if it is closed, some of the magnets which we in the iron prongs will run around in an orbit, and will not come out, but when the orbit is broken then they will run in the coil, and the result will be more light.

Link - http://www.leedskalnin.com/LeedskalninImageArchive.html
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Leedskalnin charged visitors ten cents a head to tour the castle grounds. There are signs carved into rocks at the front gate to "Ring Bell Twice" and a second sign just inside the property that says "Adm. 10c Drop Below". He would come down from his living quarters in the second story of the castle tower close to the gate and conduct the tour. Leedskalnin never told anyone who asked him how he made the castle. He would simply answer "It's not difficult if you know how."

Link - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_Castle

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Old 13-04-2013, 02:38 AM   #2
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I have made a diagram of Ed's device from the description.



It can be seen that this is indeed a design for a generator. If you turn that wheel (by hand or using a motor) the coils attached to the wheel will cut through the magnetic field at the end of the U bar magnet inducing current into the coils. You will get AC.


A few facts.

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An electromagnet is a type of magnet in which the magnetic field is produced by the flow of electric current.

An electric current flowing in a wire creates a magnetic field around the wire (see drawing below). To concentrate the magnetic field, in an electromagnet the wire is wound into a coil with many turns of wire lying side by side. The magnetic field of all the turns of wire passes through the center of the coil, creating a strong magnetic field there. A coil forming the shape of a straight tube (a helix) is called a solenoid. Much stronger magnetic fields can be produced if a "core" of ferromagnetic material, such as soft iron, is placed inside the coil. The ferromagnetic core increases the magnetic field to thousands of times the strength of the field of the coil alone, due to the high magnetic permeability μ of the ferromagnetic material. This is called a ferromagnetic-core or iron-core electromagnet.

Ohmic heating
The only power consumed in a DC electromagnet is due to the resistance of the windings, and is dissipated as heat.

Link - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnet

So, Ed connects a DC magnet to his AC generator, not a single watt of electrical energy from the battery is used to create the magnetic field induced in the soft steel material, rather the electric current from the battery, gives up its magnetic field component which is then carried in the soft steel magnet.

Do you think a battery stores magnetic energy as well as electrical energy?

Have you ever heard of a magnetically flat battery?

What Ed Leedskalnin is suggesting is that by using a DC battery and an electromagnet, we induce a magnetic field in the U bar magnet made of soft steel. The strength of the magnetic field is proportional to the input electrical energy and dependant on it, but no electrical current is transformed into magnetic field in the magnet. That small electromagnetic field circulates in the U magnet and when it passes through the ferromagnetic core, which the output coil is wound on, the magnetic field is increased, maybe thousands of times, by the ferromagnetic material, which then proportionally increases the amount of electrical energy that is induced or captured in the output coil.

The stronger the magnetic field, the stronger the final induced electrical current.

An electromagnetic field does not grow very large around the metal it surrounds, the magnetic field is very 'thin' so the gap between the spinning coils with magnetic cores and the u bar electromagnet would have to be very close.

The amount of coil windings is significant, if this works within transformer principles, and it should, double the windings on the output would double the voltage. The high number of windings and size of wire no doubt affects the magnetic field density, its saturation if you will. Also, the output coils are half the length of the input coils, with the same number of turns, thats probably significant and the exact position may allow tuning the system.

At Coral Castle is a bell and a sign saying ring bell twice. Ed suggests spinning a magnet at 2000rpm. 2 thousand repititions per minute, a repition is a complete circle, 2000rpm is actually 33.33 repititions per second or 2000 revolutions could be 2000 cycles which is 2 KHz.

Does that ring any bells? Why should we ring it twice?

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Old 13-04-2013, 02:41 AM   #3
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Do we need any wheels?

Ed suggests a spinning wheel but that spinning wheel is just a fancy pulse generator :-)
I suspect the same effect can be reproduced with a pulsed DC or AC signal, say a 2KHz tone or a 33.33Hz tone.

Eds design should follow transformer principles. If you equal the number of turns in the input coils to the output coil, you wil get equal voltage. If you double the windings on the output compared to the input, you get double the voltage output.

If instead of connecting the input to a 12V DC battery, we energised the input coils with a sinusoidal signal, as the electrical energy in the coils would be varying, a coil connected across the U Bar magnet would see a changing magnetic field and thus, induce current into its coil without having to move itself through the field. The varying pulse would be doing that for us. This is how a transformer works.

If instead of a U bar magnet we built a transformer core and wound our coils on it just like you do with a transformer, but instead of it all being the same material, half of it was made from soft steel and the other half made from ferromagnetic material, with the output coil wound on it, would we get the same effect if we modified our input signal to be an AC signal instead of DC? (A DC signal would not work, transformers only work AC)




This is beginning to look remarkably like the MEG and in fact, (after re-checking the MEG at JL Naudins site, and various searches) I see that it is.

I cannot see why this won't work.

Anyone know why?

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The vertical bar in the centre is a permanent magnet. The rest is a standard transformer.

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Old 13-04-2013, 02:42 AM   #4
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So how would I test this.

I don't want to mess around with spinning wheels so I'll need a signal generator capable of producing either pulsed DC - Ed Leedskalnin 'tapped' the battery in an experiment - that is a DC pulse. It will work because a DC puse is a varying electric field. An AC signal will also work, just like a transformer. So I can use an AC signal generator. My smartphone can do that, it has a 3.5mm jack output. I'll use an MP3 file of a tone, played on its mp3 player and I'll attach the headphone cord (minus the headphones) to the input coils, left and right, wired oppositely as Ed describes. The volume will allow me to adjust the power in and with different files I can change the frequency, just use some audio software to create 33Hz, 1KHz and 2KHz tones. (Playing audio for power - Keeley anyone!)

For my core, a long, stainless steel bolt and a metal connecting bracket, the long thin type with holes in, one at each end, held in place with nuts. I can adjust the positioning to fit the length of the output coil magnet. I want everything to be connected, so it becomes a solid core like a transformer. One side steel the other side ferromagnetic.

Ed bends his bar into a U or horshoe shape, I wonder if stressing metal in this way affects its magnetic properties?

Anyone?

I will use a straight rod, it is a valid electromagnet design. I only need a small electromagnetic field, a mild steel or stainless steel bolt will do fine, as long as it is an electromagnetic conductor.

For the input coils I'll turn the wire directly onto the bolt and use large washers held in place with nuts to keep them in line and wrap a bit of electrical tape around them to hold the coils together. Ed says to use brass or aluminum coil formers, I won't bother with the input coils as the bolt is circular and the wire will wrap closely around without any air gaps. I don't think they bother with formers in transformers, I don't know how much it matters. As for number of turns, I'll count as I go, see how fat it gets. Maybe 50 turns? This is a scaled version using 1 Volt in from headphone socket instead of 12V battery, its a 12th of the size, Ed suggests 1500 turns, so maybe 125 turns on each of the primary coils.

The idea will be to put minimal energy in and hope for a larger output but still relatively small scale. The less energy used to excite the input coils the better, so there's less heat losses. The ferromagnetic material does the work.

If the idea works, it works on any scale. Limiting factor will be the ferromagnetic material's ability to 'pull' the heavier it can pull, the stronger magnetic field it can generate.

Ed also states the ferromagnetic core or magnet is to be square, with a coil former around it. So a square inside a circle. I guess for no air gaps and nicely formed coil (The Circle and the Square - pythagoras anyone?) But does the core material shape matter? Is it 'all on the angles'? Does the magnetic field manifest stronger at the corners? What if it were Hexagonal or star shaped material? A circular magnetic rod would form a nice coil, no air gaps around the magnet, why not use that?

The output coil I will use a square bar magnet, perhaps with 6 narrow coils with equal turns to one of the input coils, maybe wire the coils in series to step up the voltage or try one large coil with 6 times the number of turns on in this case 750 turns (6 x 125).

Use a lightbulb as a load - its resistive and easy to calculate power, voltage times current.





Thread started 13/4/2013 3.33am :-)

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Got some bits together and some magnets, seemed logical and a lot more fun instead of iron rods for the output coil core.

While playing around with these magnets I realised they got a huge magnetic field on them. I wondered if they could actually produce more magnetic energy than they already do. I thought it may not matter, if my electromagnetic input modulates the magnetic field, then I can capture that energy.

I wondered if I needed thicker wire.

I wondered if I was talking crap.

I searched 'electomagnet modulate magnetic field', among the results, I found this -


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Amplitude modulation of electromagnetic waves by alternating magnetic fields

Sodha, M. S. ; Arora, A. K. ; Kaw, P. K. (1968) Amplitude modulation of electromagnetic waves by alternating magnetic fields Journal of Physics A:

General Physics, 1 (1). pp. 89-96. ISSN 0022-3689

Full text not available from this repository.

Abstract
In this paper the authors have given a quantitative analytical investigation of the interesting concept of the modulation of an electromagnetic wave by its propagation along an alternating magnetic field in a semiconductor or a plasma. Numerical results, presented at the end, show that this phenomenon is appreciable.

Link - http://repository.ias.ac.in/25062/

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The Smithsonian/NASA Astrophysics Data System

Link - http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1968JPhA....1...89S

Cited:
Journal of Physics A: General Physics Volume 1 Number 1
M S Sodha et al 1968 J. Phys. A: Gen. Phys. 1 89 doi:10.1088/0305-4470/1/1/312
I am unable to access a copy to read it unless I pay.

(Can any of the Physics specialists on this forum enlighten me as to the methodology and relevance, if any, of this paper to this thread)

Well I'm in this thing now, so I'm going to build it.

The picture below shows a 75mm M6 bolt, some 7/0.2 1.4amp Red Wire, 24/0.2 6amp Blue Wire, mending brackets, connector strip, not shown is some large flat washers, I also have some extra nuts for the bolt. The magnets are pack of 2 42mmx8mmx10mm and a pack of 5 25mmx5mmx5mm Neodymium magnets. If I push the magnets slightly closer together than shown in the pic, they attract each other. I figure I can stack them end on end to wind the output coil on.



Build costs:
Halfords: £19.44
Homebase: £7.78
Maplins: £5.88
Magnets: £18.65

Need a 3.5mm headphone jack and wire.


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Thats 3 by my count, everlasting lightbulb, negative pulse charging batteries and this - if it works

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What happens to magnets far away from gravity?

Do they unify creating a perfect connection?

If so, is this a method of what we call here -free energy?
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Im asking these questions as I feel overall we will find that such things require us to cancle gravitys effect in order to gain free energy. Its my suspicion that the space program is used to look into this.
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Thanks for the response orange13, interesting questions.

To be honest, I had to Google 'do magnets work in space' as I did not know the answer!

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Yes, the magnetism force is independant of gravity or atmosphere'
Answer: Cosmicopia

Yes, magnets work in space. In fact Jupiters magnetic field is the largest 'thing' in our solar system
Answer: Yahoo answers

A magnet works on the principle of Electromagnetism. Magnetic force is idependent of the Earths gravitational force.
Answer: Yahoo answers
Those answers certainly got me thinking.

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Im asking these questions as I feel overall we will find that such things require us to cancle gravitys effect in order to gain free energy.
I think most early 'perpetual motion wheels' failed due to friction, by removing gravity it would certainly lessen the effects of friction.

A physics 'thought experiment' states if you inject an electrical pulse into a tuned Coil and Capacitor circuit made from superconductor material, the pulse would oscilate for eternity. So maybe a standard, copper coil and capacitor, sitting on a planet with an extremely low temperature, causing the copper to go superconductive, would also oscilate for eternity.

So maybe you are right.

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Thanks for the response orange13, interesting questions.

To be honest, I had to Google 'do magnets work in space' as I did not know the answer!



Those answers certainly got me thinking.



I think most early 'perpetual motion wheels' failed due to friction, by removing gravity it would certainly lessen the effects of friction.

A physics 'thought experiment' states if you inject an electrical pulse into a tuned Coil and Capacitor circuit made from superconductor material, the pulse would oscilate for eternity. So maybe a standard, copper coil and capacitor, sitting on a planet with an extremely low temperature, causing the copper to go superconductive, would also oscilate for eternity.

So maybe you are right.
no, ALL perpetual motion machines fail because of the laws of thermodynamics

gravity and friction are not at all related to each other
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no, ALL perpetual motion machines fail because of the laws of thermodynamics

gravity and friction are not at all related to each other
They are in a wheel bearing.

The amount of friction in a bearing is related to contact pressure which is influenced by the weight of the wheel or the load the bearing is carrying.

Weight is the force of gravity on an object.

The friction produced and hence energy lost in a 'Perpetual Motion Wheel' of the magnetic wheel kind is what defeats those devices, as well as the eventual degredation of the magnets themselves.

If you have another explanation I am happy to hear it.
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How much success have you had with this?

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None I'm afraid, I built a small unit and messed around a bit then I had some personal issues and the thing ended up in flower pot in my garage!
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