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Old 09-04-2015, 11:21 AM   #21
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Why do you think that voting for Nigel Farage is a disaster?
Personally, when he talks about 'immigrants' or anyone outside of the UK not being deservant of healthcare, food, basic neccesaties etc.. it really does not resonate with me. In fact, it makes me feel extremely sick. This might not be the same for everyone but it's how I feel.
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Old 09-04-2015, 11:57 AM   #22
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Personally, when he talks about 'immigrants' or anyone outside of the UK not being deservant of healthcare, food, basic neccesaties etc.. it really does not resonate with me. In fact, it makes me feel extremely sick. This might not be the same for everyone but it's how I feel.
OK, that's cool.

Would you be willing to give half of your food, half of your money and half of everything else you have to an immigrant who needed it?
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Old 09-04-2015, 12:00 PM   #23
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OK, that's cool.

Would you be willing to give half of your food, half of your money and half of everything else you have to an immigrant who needed it?
Why, who is having to do that? Why don't you tell us how much YOU would be happy giving to an immigrant who needed it, and then the rest of us might feel more obliged to reciprocate?
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Why, who is having to do that? Why don't you tell us how much YOU would be happy giving to an immigrant who needed it, and then the rest of us might feel more obliged to reciprocate?

The point, alf, that you have completely missed is that by allowing people into the country who have never paid into the UK system, who have never contributed to the NHS or welfare system free access to all of these public services is effectively reducing the quality of this service to all of those who for their entire lifetime have been contributing into the system.

Why do some people believe that the entire burden for all of the 3rd world's problems should lie heavily on the shoulders of British tax payers?

I am trying to find out why empath believes it is a disaster for people to vote UKIP - and he has given me his answer, in not so many words.

He believes that UK citizens should bankrupt itself supporting foreign and 3rd world problems, and is 'sickened' by the fact that the UK should look after its own population before opening the borders to unlimited diseased, pregnant low skilled workers to 'enrich' our country with.

I doubt very much he would support this if he felt it would reduce the quality of his life, which undoubtedly it is, but ignorance is bliss to simple minds.
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Old 09-04-2015, 12:21 PM   #25
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Old 09-04-2015, 12:32 PM   #26
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The point, alf, that you have completely missed is that by allowing people into the country who have never paid into the UK system, who have never contributed to the NHS or welfare system free access to all of these public services is effectively reducing the quality of this service to all of those who for their entire lifetime have been contributing into the system.

Why do some people believe that the entire burden for all of the 3rd world's problems should lie heavily on the shoulders of British tax payers?

I am trying to find out why empath believes it is a disaster for people to vote UKIP - and he has given me his answer, in not so many words.

He believes that UK citizens should bankrupt itself supporting foreign and 3rd world problems, and is 'sickened' by the fact that the UK should look after its own population before opening the borders to unlimited diseased, pregnant low skilled workers to 'enrich' our country with.

I doubt very much he would support this if he felt it would reduce the quality of his life, which undoubtedly it is, but ignorance is bliss to simple minds.
They don't. They prefer nations to pool resources and pay their fair share according to their means. If one nation has been having a better time than others in creating profit for its nation's coffers, it's only fair they should tip up a bit more than those having a less profitable time. Unless you'd prefer to be in the game of bankrupting weaker nations that couldn't hack it, and leaving them to the wolves?
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Old 09-04-2015, 12:33 PM   #27
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Why do some people believe that the entire burden for all of the 3rd world's problems should lie heavily on the shoulders of British tax payers?
It is delusional thinking. I have who relations who say "we are a very rich country". To those on the far left, we have a magical money tree where free money is grown and is available to solve all the worlds problems
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We SHOULD be a very rich country, if our resources and assets had been managed for the benefit of the nation, and not its biggest shareholders.
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We SHOULD be a very rich country, if our resources and assets had been managed for the benefit of the nation, and not its biggest shareholders.
And what resources are these then, young comrade? The puddle of oil in the north sea? Our depleted coal mines? Our magical fairy dust that radiates from the minds of the rabid extreme left?
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They don't. They prefer nations to pool resources and pay their fair share according to their means. If one nation has been having a better time than others in creating profit for its nation's coffers, it's only fair they should tip up a bit more than those having a less profitable time. Unless you'd prefer to be in the game of bankrupting weaker nations that couldn't hack it, and leaving them to the wolves?
Self-sufficiency is the word.

People have rejected this international-marxist policy time and time again, and has been proven to be nothing more than a control structure thrust upon the gullible masses.

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Old 09-04-2015, 01:09 PM   #31
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OK, that's cool.

Would you be willing to give half of your food, half of your money and half of everything else you have to an immigrant who needed it?
If another person needed half my food, money etc.. then I would give, of course I would.
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Old 09-04-2015, 01:13 PM   #32
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The point, alf, that you have completely missed is that by allowing people into the country who have never paid into the UK system, who have never contributed to the NHS or welfare system free access to all of these public services is effectively reducing the quality of this service to all of those who for their entire lifetime have been contributing into the system.

Why do some people believe that the entire burden for all of the 3rd world's problems should lie heavily on the shoulders of British tax payers?

I am trying to find out why empath believes it is a disaster for people to vote UKIP - and he has given me his answer, in not so many words.

He believes that UK citizens should bankrupt itself supporting foreign and 3rd world problems, and is 'sickened' by the fact that the UK should look after its own population before opening the borders to unlimited diseased, pregnant low skilled workers to 'enrich' our country with.

I doubt very much he would support this if he felt it would reduce the quality of his life, which undoubtedly it is, but ignorance is bliss to simple minds.
I can understand why that is your view point but I'm sorry it's not really good enough to cut it down to money. Why is the answer either don't help 'immigrants' at all or help them and give away everything you have? The planet is big enough for us to share y'know.. I do not believe in borders, this is an illusion that carries through the MSM & I'm guessing you should know this already what with being on this forum.

It's not about british people 'reducing their quality of life' what friggin' quality of life do we have? We are paying over the odds for ALL of our basic requirements, our nation is a mess.

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Self-sufficiency is the word.

People have rejected this international-marxist policy time and time again, and has been proven to be nothing more than a control structure thrust upon the gullible masses.
Do you really believe we are ready to abandon this control structure completely, even here in the supposedly civilised world?
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OK, that's cool.

Would you be willing to give half of your food, half of your money and half of everything else you have to an immigrant who needed it?
i wud do that for any human, i dont classify people by where they come from but who they r. id accept a much lower standard of living if it ment everyone was brought up to the same level.
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We SHOULD be a very rich country, if our resources and assets had been managed for the benefit of the nation, and not its biggest shareholders.
BINGO! we have a winner!!
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And what resources are these then, young comrade? The puddle of oil in the north sea? Our depleted coal mines? Our magical fairy dust that radiates from the minds of the rabid extreme left?
our mines r anything but depleted, they just shut them down to break the unions
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On topic.
Today it's looking like we'll end up with a Labour/SNP coalition.
Things can change though and we'll not know for sure until the day after the election.
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On topic.
Today it's looking like we'll end up with a Labour/SNP coalition.
Things can change though and we'll not know for sure until the day after the election.
You reckon? What about outside of Scotland? Do you think the SNP are as 'honest' as they claim to be? I'm genuinely confused at their motives.. I want to believe they are a genuine alternative but my gut is telling me different!
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i wud do that for any human, i dont classify people by where they come from but who they r. id accept a much lower standard of living if it ment everyone was brought up to the same level.
what a nice thing to hear, I thought I was the only one who seen how absurd it is to treat humans differently.
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You reckon? What about outside of Scotland? Do you think the SNP are as 'honest' as they claim to be? I'm genuinely confused at their motives.. I want to believe they are a genuine alternative but my gut is telling me different!
SNP's OK for Scotland IMO but not calling the shots in Westminster which is what will happen of we get a Labour/SNP coalition in.
Plus we'd have that odious twonk Milliband as PM.
That guy is beyond weird.
I'd sooner see a Tory/UKIP coalition.
One thing looks pretty certain we will have some sort of coalition cos neither Lab nor Con seem to be able to win an overall majority according to the papers.
That said - anything can happen on the day.
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