Jacque Fresco, Zeitgeist Movement support NWO?

[flyermay]

Originally Posted by jake49

Alex Jones interview with Peter Joseph (creator of Zeitgeist)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9K6xzchl6M

Alex Jones just doesn't get it... nobody thinks he is an idiot because he is a Christian or a Capitalist; they think it because he is actually an ignorant idiot.

So, the main criticism on that video is that the Venus Project is a luciferian theosophical NWO religion. Then, can someone please explain me how can anyone be all those things and at the same time be an atheist... it's simply stupid!

[senseifil]

the nwo elites, and the zeitgeist movement have the same goals in mind, ending the monetary systems, creating sustainable cities, all the peoples of the world under one global banner, no more jobs(slavery) as technology will do do all the labour, etc.
the difference is the nwo ppl want to kill 6billion people to get to that point so they can have the whole world for themselves and their decendants. the zeitgeist concept wants to do the same, but, without killing 6billion ppl. there is enuf resources for everyone to share and live a life of abundance.

[flyermay]

Originally Posted by senseifil

the nwo elites, and the zeitgeist movement have the same goals in mind, ending the monetary systems, creating sustainable cities, all the peoples of the world under one global banner, no more jobs(slavery) as technology will do do all the labour, etc.
the difference is the nwo ppl want to kill 6billion people to get to that point so they can have the whole world for themselves and their decendants. the zeitgeist concept wants to do the same, but, without killing 6billion ppl. there is enuf resources for everyone to share and live a life of abundance.

True (except for ending the monetary system -the elite don't want that; they want to change the current one for another that would only benefit them), but why have complexes about any idea? I mean, even if I hate fascism, communism and the NWO; why would I reject a good idea just bacause it's similar to what those systems propose?

The Venus Project is just about picking what's best from all that we currently know and use technology for the benefit of all humanity; which is what our elected leaders should have been doing if there were not a bunch of corrupt psychopath crooks.

[ob1kanobe0]

Originally Posted by flyermay

Alex Jones just doesn't get it... nobody thinks he is an idiot because he is a Christian or a Capitalist; they think it because he is actually an ignorant idiot.

So, the main criticism on that video is that the Venus Project is a luciferian theosophical NWO religion. Then, can someone please explain me how can anyone be all those things and at the same time be an atheist... it's simply stupid!

What you describe as AJ's ignorance, is based on the lies spouted by the Venus Project being totally workable. Why would anyone welcome a liar with open arms, thus AJ's 'ignorant' response to Peter.
Who is going to stand in a grease ridden sweltering chip shop frying small pieces of potatoe etc when they could be fullfilling the fruits of life as the Venus project expresses.
btw, i agree with Peter's view on the 'jesus character'.

[ob1kanobe0]

Originally Posted by senseifil

the nwo elites, and the zeitgeist movement have the same goals in mind, ending the monetary systems, creating sustainable cities, all the peoples of the world under one global banner, no more jobs(slavery) as technology will do do all the labour, etc.

The VP says everything will be free, so they'll be free beer in pubs, pints pulled by robots? Or will alcohol be banned or limited?
Will we all have a '£250,000' sports car?
Will we all live in mansions?

[flyermay]

Originally Posted by ob1kanobe0

What you describe as AJ's ignorance, is based on the lies spouted by the Venus Project being totally workable. Why would anyone welcome a liar with open arms, thus AJ's 'ignorant' response to Peter.
Who is going to stand in a grease ridden sweltering chip shop frying small pieces of potatoe etc when they could be fullfilling the fruits of life as the Venus project expresses.
btw, i agree with Peter's view on the 'jesus character'.

Sorry, I seem to have missed the bit where AJ made his educated guess about the Venus Project not being totally workable. In any case, how does believing that the Venus Project is a workable idea make someone a liar? Does that mean Jesus and the apostles were also liars because they believed Christianity would work?

And what I described as AJ's ignorance is the fact that he accused the atheists from TVP of being a luciferian theosophical religion... that's being an ignorant; however you look at it.

[ob1kanobe0]

I think ive come accross something that shows/exposses Peter in a very bad light unfortunately,

In a response to Stefan Molyneux [Zeitgeist: Moving Forward] at 38.30, Peter says of the public getting to grips with the scientific aspect of the VP, "if your values do not align to whats possible, then theres a serious problem and you have to change your values accordingly". http://www. youtube.com/watch?v=ozy52bZ6JTw
Who is Peter Joseph to say whats good and bad for 6.7 billion people?


flyermay

In any case, how does believing that the Venus Project is a workable idea make someone a liar? Does that mean Jesus and the apostles were also liars because they believed Christianity would work?

By telling us its workable when it isn't, is lieing. Its the day to day living aspect of TVP for humans that proves this. However, some of TVP aspects are brilliant and should be encouraged within a non interest based monetary system where each country has a different ideological concept based on the different human belief systems that we feel in our own uncorupted hearts.

Peter has a good heart, but he is insane if he thinks that all humans will feel love with eachother if we live by TVP.
Has christianity worked? Hope not, i certainly don't believe in it.

And what I described as AJ's ignorance is the fact that he accused the atheists from TVP of being a luciferian theosophical religion... that's being an ignorant; however you look at it.

Certainly an ignorant opinion. Obviously, TVP wont work for everyone.

[andyh]

Originally Posted by ob1kanobe0

The VP says everything will be free, so they'll be free beer in pubs, pints pulled by robots? Or will alcohol be banned or limited?
Will we all have a '£250,000' sports car?
Will we all live in mansions?

You'll be able to brew your own booze, build your own mansion or make your own sports car. There won't be any £250,000 anything though, lol.

[flyermay]

Originally Posted by andyh

You'll be able to brew your own booze, build your own mansion or make your own sports car. There won't be any £250,000 anything though, lol.

... or he can have all those things once AJ puts the Good ol' Republicans back in power.

[ob1kanobe0]

Originally Posted by andyh

You'll be able to brew your own booze, build your own mansion or make your own sports car. There won't be any £250,000 anything though, lol.

So there wont be any pubs or clubs for people to socialise and have a beer together?

How long will it take me to build a mansion and a sports car?

[andyh]

Originally Posted by ob1kanobe0

So there wont be any pubs or clubs for people to socialise and have a beer together?

How long will it take me to build a mansion and a sports car?

Of course there'll be pubs and clubs, nothing much changes really.
For a long time everything stays as is anyway. Its just about people turning in to work for no money.

People can live in cities or towns or villages or a farmhouse out in the countryside as per normal and all be a part of it. The difference is you get to choose what you want to do TVP is not about putting everyone in jetsons domes, I've been through all that before on the forum with Steevo.

The whole point to anarchism is that people either learn to co-operate or do things for themselves without being told to do so. The guiding force or "hidden hand" in this case is allowed free reign instead of authority and people work towards a better future. Science and tech for example will no longer be steered in a direction that promotes the profit motive alone.

Don't think for one minute its utopia because its not, its just better than what we have now is all. I don't think TVP will ever work unless people slowly get educated into this mindset in the first place, hence my belief in anarcho-syndicalism which starts off at square one in the present paradigm and works towards something better- it may not necessarily be TVP, just a breakdown of authority without fanfare. It remains the only way to do it, unless people here are willing to pick up guns and use them..which they are perhaps less likely to do than even start up co-op businesses.

[ob1kanobe0]

Originally Posted by andyh

Of course there'll be pubs and clubs, nothing much changes really.
For a long time everything stays as is anyway. Its just about people turning in to work for no money.

What would motivate someone to clean puke off the floor of a pub or club?

Everything will be free eventually, how does that stop some people, or many, from getting rat-arsed all day, we have that now, if alcohol is free, society will collapse.
How does it stop people getting into cars, racing them, smashing them up, getting another for free and doing the same? Is that allowed/possible?

People can live in cities or towns or villages or a farmhouse out in the countryside as per normal and all be a part of it. The difference is you get to choose what you want to do TVP is not about putting everyone in jetsons domes, I've been through all that before on the forum with Steevo.

Do we all get the finest home possible? Who gets the first ones built?

The whole point to anarchism is that people either learn to co-operate or do things for themselves without being told to do so. The guiding force or "hidden hand" in this case is allowed free reign instead of authority and people work towards a better future. Science and tech for example will no longer be steered in a direction that promotes the profit motive alone.

In theory that sounds great, ideologicly, people are different, even under TVP this will still be the case, albeit less, at some point humans are going to want to do things their way, see life their way, which will be different to others ways, this will cause natural human division as we have today all over the world, you can't then dicide to dictate how people think and behave, thats why we have a voting system, albeit taken advantage of by idiots.

TVP has many great ideas, it just doesn't take into account human differences. Peter and his supporters only tell us the answers to things they can back-up, they ignore everything else.

[andyh]

Originally Posted by ob1kanobe0

What would motivate someone to clean puke off the floor of a pub or club?

Everything will be free eventually, how does that stop some people, or many, from getting rat-arsed all day, we have that now, if alcohol is free, society will collapse.
How does it stop people getting into cars, racing them, smashing them up, getting another for free and doing the same? Is that allowed/possible?

Haha! Now you are touching on areas about why I think anarcho-syndicalism is the right way to go first. TVP is impossible to do with the flick of a light switch. There are many socio-economic paradigms to be overcome first and technology to advance to the point where it needs to be for this to happen.

Do we all get the finest home possible? Who gets the first ones built?

Again, I don't believe this is worth doing until we have all worked towards something better, imho everything should simply remain as is for now.

In theory that sounds great, ideologicly, people are different, even under TVP this will still be the case, albeit less, at some point humans are going to want to do things their way, see life their way, which will be different to others ways, this will cause natural human division as we have today all over the world, you can't then dicide to dictate how people think and behave, thats why we have a voting system, albeit taken advantage of by idiots.

TVP has many great ideas, it just doesn't take into account human differences. Peter and his supporters only tell us the answers to things they can back-up, they ignore everything else.

Correctamundo which is why (again lol) people should begin to start at square one with anarcho-syndicalism (similar to mondragon).
It lets people learn how to co-operate and make the best of life by experiencing it for real instead of reading it on blogs or watching youtube videos

[drakul]

Watch Zeitgeist Addendum (produced by the Venus Project) - features the hallmarks of Masonic/NWO brainwashing - toward the end we have a speech by Krishnamurti - he was groomed by the Theosophist Masons as the 2nd Jesus.

At about 2:00 the climax of the movie shows people staring at something as if hypnotized. And what are they staring at? An EYE. A big flashing EYE. The Masonic eye of Horus.

People stare transfixed at the Masonic EYE for awhile and then the Christian rips off his cross. Nobody else rips off their necklaces though - no Jewish Star of David or Satanic symbols or Muslim sickle moon and star gets tossed into the gutter.

What more do you want? Zeitgeist features all the hallmarks of NWO Free Masonry - right in your face.

[andyh]

Originally Posted by drakul

Watch Zeitgeist Addendum (produced by the Venus Project) - features the hallmarks of Masonic/NWO brainwashing - toward the end we have a speech by Krishnamurti - he was groomed by the Theosophist Masons as the 2nd Jesus.

At about 2:00 the climax of the movie shows people staring at something as if hypnotized. And what are they staring at? An EYE. A big flashing EYE. The Masonic eye of Horus.

People stare transfixed at the Masonic EYE for awhile and then the Christian rips off his cross. Nobody else rips off their necklaces though - no Jewish Star of David or Satanic symbols or Muslim sickle moon and star gets tossed into the gutter.

What more do you want? Zeitgeist features all the hallmarks of NWO Free Masonry - right in your face.

They drop their caps. The NWO is not freemasonry btw, that was the OWO.
The NWO is about rich businessmen, you have new rulers now. They're not politicians or necessarily freemasons. They're a mix of filthy rich businessmen.
If you're so worried about symbolism you can take a look at the front of the bank of england and whine about it all day for all I care.

[drakul]

Originally Posted by andyh

They drop their caps.

Yeah they took off their little beanies that they hardly wear. And you think that's equivalent to the CROSS? I believe in EQUALITY. That means the Jew should rip off his STAR OF DAVID from around his neck and throw it in the gutter!!! Same with the Muslim star and sickle. Hah. Fat chance. You will never ever see that. Not from TVP.

So what about this clearly Masonic EYE the video keeps showing? The eye the people are staring at as if hypnotised by it - and then acting as if under some kind of subliminal suggestion, the Christian takes of his cross and throws it in the gutter. What was the need for the EYE in the video? I notice you don't mention tha-aat. Talk about eyes wide shut. A major Masonic symbol PULSING right in your face, but you decide you can't see it?

The NWO is not freemasonry btw, that was the OWO.
The NWO is about rich businessmen, you have new rulers now. They're not politicians or necessarily freemasons. They're a mix of filthy rich businessmen.
If you're so worried about symbolism you can take a look at the front of the bank of england and whine about it all day for all I care.

Yaddah yaddah whatta WEAK response. Pah.

[andyh]

Originally Posted by drakul

Yeah they took off their little beanies that they hardly wear. And you think that's equivalent to the CROSS? I believe in EQUALITY. That means the Jew should rip off his STAR OF DAVID from around his neck and throw it in the gutter!!! Same with the Muslim star and sickle. Hah. Fat chance. You will never ever see that. Not from TVP.

I've never seen any star and sickle necklaces on muslims- maybe the worry beads?
I couldn't care less tbh.

So what about this clearly Masonic EYE the video keeps showing? The eye the people are staring at as if hypnotised by it - and then acting as if under some kind of subliminal suggestion, the Christian takes of his cross and throws it in the gutter. What was the need for the EYE in the video? I notice you don't mention tha-aat. Talk about eyes wide shut. A major Masonic symbol PULSING right in your face, but you decide you can't see it?

Z0mg its an eye symbol so it must be the NWO!!!

Yaddah yaddah whatta WEAK response. Pah.

To a weak argument..not even an argument tbh, prima facie association.

Anyone who votes, who is authoritarian in nature and who pays taxes is supporting the NWO. Forget your stupid symbols, the ones that matter are in your wallet or rather much more importantly- in your mind.

[flyermay]

Originally Posted by ob1kanobe0

What would motivate someone to clean puke off the floor of a pub or club?

Everything will be free eventually, how does that stop some people, or many, from getting rat-arsed all day, we have that now, if alcohol is free, society will collapse.
How does it stop people getting into cars, racing them, smashing them up, getting another for free and doing the same? Is that allowed/possible?

Do we all get the finest home possible? Who gets the first ones built?

Is it really so difficult for you to come up with simple solutions to all those problems?

But my question is: why would any educated and responsible person would allow such a paradise to be turn into the shithole you imagine? Would you?

Originally Posted by ob1kanobe0

In theory that sounds great, ideologicly, people are different, even under TVP this will still be the case, albeit less, at some point humans are going to want to do things their way, see life their way, which will be different to others ways, this will cause natural human division as we have today all over the world, you can't then dicide to dictate how people think and behave, thats why we have a voting system, albeit taken advantage of by idiots.

TVP has many great ideas, it just doesn't take into account human differences. Peter and his supporters only tell us the answers to things they can back-up, they ignore everything else.

You forget that such an anarchic systems have already been proven to work throughout history. Nobody needed money or wealth as an incentive in any of those instances; just the desire to do what's best for the whole community. Do you understand what means doing the best for your community? If not, think of it as your house and your family; then you will understand and find the answer to all your questions.

[flyermay]

Originally Posted by drakul

Watch Zeitgeist Addendum (produced by the Venus Project) - features the hallmarks of Masonic/NWO brainwashing - toward the end we have a speech by Krishnamurti - he was groomed by the Theosophist Masons as the 2nd Jesus.

At about 2:00 the climax of the movie shows people staring at something as if hypnotized. And what are they staring at? An EYE. A big flashing EYE. The Masonic eye of Horus.

People stare transfixed at the Masonic EYE for awhile and then the Christian rips off his cross. Nobody else rips off their necklaces though - no Jewish Star of David or Satanic symbols or Muslim sickle moon and star gets tossed into the gutter.

What more do you want? Zeitgeist features all the hallmarks of NWO Free Masonry - right in your face.

Yeeees, and I saw a triangle at the begining of the film... I think it's that sort of powerful symbolism that hypnotized me towards accepting their masonic NWO...

No seriously; just a question: when you see this Krishnamurti guy; do you get to listen to what he says, or are you just caught on the idea that he is evil? ... well, there you go; that explains who is hypnotizing who.

[steevo]

Originally Posted by andyh

They drop their caps. The NWO is not freemasonry btw, that was the OWO.
The NWO is about rich businessmen, you have new rulers now. They're not politicians or necessarily freemasons. They're a mix of filthy rich businessmen.
If you're so worried about symbolism you can take a look at the front of the bank of england and whine about it all day for all I care.

To bring in a new order, the PTB seem to always FIRSTLY create chaos. So we have OWO (Old World Order), then we have OWC (Old World Chaos), and they then bring in the NWO (New World Order).

Chaos out of order....and then Order out of chaos.