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Old 09-10-2016, 06:09 PM   #61
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The sensible left wing position is that all people have the right to work and be free from persecution.

It is not, nor never has been the position. To let everyone in or get immigrants employmemt to the discrimination of British workers.
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Old 09-10-2016, 06:14 PM   #62
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Well if David Icke wants this forum to be full of neo nazi bullshit, then he can go fuck himself. He preaches about being against racism because we are all one consciousness having an experience.

I didn't actually at any point hear him mention the forum in that video of his.
It is so obvious to me that iamaturdonthesea is a disrupter. I doubt that I'll be on this forum much longer as it just isn't for me any more. I'd rather just hang out on the shroomery or one of the cannabis forums as you don't get all this neo nazi shit in those places. I don't get where this forum is heading.

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nice.....lots of love in that post

go smoke a spliff man and switch on your 5th circuit because at the moment you see things as far too black and white eg such and such is against mass immigration therefore they are a 'nazi'

and David Icke is the supreme 'disruptor' as you call it...i call it rocking the boat and someone has to do it because ''in a time of universal deceit telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act''- orwell
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Old 09-10-2016, 06:16 PM   #63
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nice.....lits of love in that post

go smoke a spliff man and switch on your 5th circuit because at the moment you see things as far too black and white

eg such and such is against mass immigration therefore they are a 'nazi'
Surely, its not the immigrants thats the problem. Its the cause of immigration we should be worried about......
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Old 09-10-2016, 06:21 PM   #64
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The sensible left wing position is that all people have the right to work and be free from persecution.

It is not, nor never has been the position. To let everyone in or get immigrants employmemt to the discrimination of British workers.
yeah but the people pushing the mass immigration under a left wing banner are the oligarchs who then exploit the cheap labour

george soros and his 'open society institute' is a good example

these guys are not doing what they are doing to build a better world for you....that's just the smokescreen....they are out to screw you over royally and sadly many people will see it only too late
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Old 09-10-2016, 06:22 PM   #65
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Surely, its not the immigrants thats the problem. Its the cause of immigration we should be worried about......
i'd say that is looking at things in too binary a manner

yes the blame rests with the people who are consciously masterminding the mass immigration but if there are ISIS jihadis flooding back to europe among the unvetted immigrants then i'd say they might be something to worry about

shades of grey...not black and white....a little bit of both
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Old 09-10-2016, 06:26 PM   #66
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i'd say that is looking at things in too binary a manner

yes the blame rests with the people who are consciously masterminding the mass immigration but if there are ISIS jihadis flooding back to europe among the unvetted immigrants then i'd say they might be something to worry about
Yeah. Personally, i cant blame genuine immigrants for coming here. If you have nothing, and see a place will give you a chance a better quality of life. Your gonna go there. Basic human nature.

Out of curiosity. How would you handle the situation? What do you think needs to be done???
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Old 09-10-2016, 06:40 PM   #67
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Yeah. Personally, i cant blame genuine immigrants for coming here. If you have nothing, and see a place will give you a chance a better quality of life. Your gonna go there. Basic human nature.

Out of curiosity. How would you handle the situation? What do you think needs to be done???
yeah i'm with you on the point you made

i think there are a few things going on. Some people are being displaced by the zionist wars and those people should be given shelter through temporary visas to enable them to stay in the UK and elsewhere until it is safe for them to return home

The economic migrants are coming to europe in the belief that the roads are paved with gold....but i think instead the streets will be filled with chaos

I think we need to do a whole host of things to combat the problems here and abroad

So for example a debt cancellation of third world debt would enable the prospects in those countries to improve

if you look at how the IMF operates it is part of the NWO banking mafia and as John pilger has exposed in his documentaries it basically gets third world countries (and first world countries) into debt servitude

We need to end that and that involves tackling the bankers

I have started a whole thread of solutions based around decentralised options to break the cabals grip on energy production and on the money supply. that's where we need to be looking

For example gaddafi was taken out because he was going to create a rival gold backed currency that was going to be issued out of a pan african bank. This would have challenged the domination of the fiat dollar

We have to switch from a war economy to what john perkins would call a 'life economy', we have to take back control of the money supply and we have to have a debt jubilee

We also have to start looking at sustainable farming ie organic permaculture so that the soil and water in the thrid world (and first world) isn't destroyed

It's the actions of our el-ites that are driving all these problems and we need to focus our attention on taking power off them and decentralising it down to the people but if our country falls into chaos that is goig to become very difficult to do

Technology is offering two roads ahead for us all now....in the hands of the oligarchs it will be used to enslave us but in the hands of the people it can be used to liberate us eg through renewable energy

when i read articles like the one in ickes headlines today that 3.5 million EU nationals are going to stay in the UK after brexit i wince....i do this because the more people they cram into this limited space the harder it is going to be to carry out alternatives to UN agenda 21 which wishes to see humanity moved into urban zones and fed by automated industrial farming

If people are going to live in a different more decentralised way then we're gonna have to start thinking about how to do that and cramming more people into the country ain't the answer
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Old 09-10-2016, 06:40 PM   #68
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No body has ever been in support of 'mass immigration'....

"Whay-ay, lets let everyone come. Itll be like one massive party!!!!!
That's just so blatantly not true. How anybody can even say that is beyond me. Perhaps if you lefties stopped telling so many porkies and cleaned your act up then perhaps others would start showing you a little more respect. Until then, well, you already know what the answer to that one is don't you. I can never respect dishonesty. As soon as I get the first hint of somebody not being honest or not genuine, then it kinda doesn't do any favours towards making alliances and friendships with that person. You know what I'm saying. We all make mistakes from time to time, but I'm talking about something that I witness continually in regressive lefty types.

There's people on this forum, and indeed on many other forums, who quite aggressively support mass immigration and open borders into Europe! Some have openly said it, others may show their support by attacking those who criticise mass immigration. It's pretty much the same thing. Actions often speak louder than mere words. Likewise there's plenty of people on this forum, and elsewhere on Web who are strongly against mass immigration. Me being one of them. And by elsewhere on the Web I aint just talking about Stormfront and places like that either. I'm talking about people who present themselves with highly respectable, compelling, intelligent, and irrefutable arguments, and without showing a hint of malice or hatred.

That's why the regressive left has to revert to infantile underhanded tactics, lies, and personal attacks to try and uphold all the BS. Their arguments are totally hollow and flawed on so many fronts. Hence the continued use of the Strawman and the creepy lies.

The emotionally driven name calling tactics no longer hold any legitimacy in a debate, it's actually backfiring and making people (good people) even more determined to smash this regressive agenda even harder.
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Old 09-10-2016, 06:48 PM   #69
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they do twist and turn and then when you have pinned down their argument they then lash out with insults

its because they can't be honest...if they were honest then they'd have to expose some pretty ugly motivations

some of them sound so extremist and scary they almost make me want to go out and buy a gun to defend myself with

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Human beings living on Earth have, and always will, form tribes and groups and alliances with people that they have a natural affirmation and familiarisation with. Just take any chat forum or group of people anywhere. Are they all friends that get along perfectly and who share the same World-view? Of course not, neither will they ever. In any given situation there will ALWAYS be divides and alliances formed. To think otherwise is just fuzzy feel good egalitarian nonsense.

That's how and why Nations were formed in the first place, through a natural process and evolution through many thousands of years (at various different paces and time periods). That doesn't mean one tribe or nation has the right to be a nuisance to the next btw. Trying to force everybody together in the unnatural way they're doing with the Globalist melting pot, is going against the natural order that's existed from time immemorial, and which can only end in disaster if it's broken by means of social engineering. Which in case you haven't noticed is already beginning to happen. Hence my firm stance against forced mass immigration. Trying to force people together in an unnatural manner will only cause a cluster-fuck of hatred and divide, and especially when specific laws or programs are implemented (affirmative action) that discriminates against one group. I mean really, how can anybody expect it to end any differently?
I agree with first part of your speech: the natural tendence of humans to associate on base of common interests, passions, histories etc. While I don't agree with the second part: nations are not the result of a natural process of evolution fruit of popular willness but of wars and politics imposed by ruling classes against normal people; the happy little stories are created and invented by winners after to create stability and a culture for the people within the national borders, they are lies to create a unifying myth and coesion around a supposed common mission. National states were built in these manners, according to the necessities of the modern technology and the evolution of capitalism. They were a step for the globalism, a constrution destined to finish in future on the base of the evolution of economy and technology. Today they are imposing the acceleration to a globalized statual entities, but like centuries ago they imposed the national centralized states to rural communities and free cities.

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That's just so blatantly not true. How anybody can even say that is beyond me. Perhaps if you lefties stopped telling so many porkies and cleaned your act up then perhaps others would start showing you a little more respect. Until then, well, you already know what the answer to that one is don't you. I can never respect dishonesty. As soon as I get the first hint of somebody not being honest or not genuine, then it kinda doesn't do any favours towards making alliances and friendships with that person. You know what I'm saying. We all make mistakes from time to time, but I'm talking about something that I witness continually in regressive lefty types.

There's people on this forum, and indeed on many other forums, who quite aggressively support mass immigration and open borders into Europe! Some have openly said it, others may show their support by attacking those who criticise mass immigration. It's pretty much the same thing. Actions often speak louder than mere words. Likewise there's plenty of people on this forum, and elsewhere on Web who are strongly against mass immigration. Me being one of them. And by elsewhere on the Web I aint just talking about Stormfront and places like that either. I'm talking about people who present themselves with highly respectable, compelling, intelligent, and irrefutable arguments, and without showing a hint of malice or hatred.

That's why the regressive left has to revert to infantile underhanded tactics, lies, and personal attacks to try and uphold all the BS. Their arguments are totally hollow and flawed on so many fronts. Hence the continued use of the Strawman and the creepy lies.

The emotionally driven name calling tactics no longer hold any legitimacy in a debate, it's actually backfiring and making people (good people) even more determined to smash this regressive agenda even harder.
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I agree with first part of your speech: the natural tendence of humans to associate on base of common interests, passions, histories etc. While I don't agree with the second part: nations are not the result of a natural process of evolution fruit of popular willness but of wars and politics imposed by ruling classes against normal people; the happy little stories are created and invented by winners after to create stability and a culture for the people within the national borders, they are lies to create a unifying myth and coesion around a supposed common mission. National states were built in these manners, according to the necessities of the modern technology and the evolution of capitalism. They were a step for the globalism, a constrution destined to finish in future on the base of the evolution of economy and technology. Today they are imposing the acceleration to a globalized statual entities, but like centuries ago they imposed the national centralized states to rural communities and free cities.
I disagree, alfredo. If that was the case then how does one explain the fact the vast majority of the Nations of Europe, and other continents, are made up of groups from the same ethnicity and racial make-up? Africa isn't full of Africans because of politics or because of the ruling classes imposing wars or rules on the people of Africa, in exactly the same way Europe is the homeland of Europeans, and is (or at least was until around 30 years ago) made up of mainly Europeans. These continents and various different ethnic groups are the product of thousands of years of natural evolution, natural diversification, and kinship in different parts of the World. It's an end product and natural process of the true diversity of mankind, and not a product of some social engineering experiment of the ruling classes and their champagne socialist lackey creeps.
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Surely, its not the immigrants thats the problem. Its the cause of immigration we should be worried about......
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OF course it is immigrants that are the problem....poor love, that is exactly why the here, to cause enormous problems to us indiginous, white european people...can you not even see that when it is pointed out to you? that is really sad as to how the blinkers work.
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In the following article from today a british politician comes up with the stunning idea that instead of importing people from abroad to make up our skill shortfalls we actually train our own young-folk! i know....what a radical idea huh? The idea that we might actually look after our young instead of screw them over....wow....its almost like the politicians are beginning to think

And why did we develop such short falls of skills in the first place? could it be that some people decide to ENGINEER IGNORANCE into society in order to pave the way towards the next stage of their plan which was to screw over the british people in favour of others?

A little too conspiratorial for some perhaps...but maybe they should consider how the common core nonsense is being pushed on the US at the moment and what whistleblower norman dodd had to say:

Whistleblower Norman Dodd exposed the Congressional investigation into Tax Free Foundations that the most powerful robber baron families tried to sweep under the carpet. The Ford Foundation, the Rockefeller Foundation, the Carnegie Foundation and others were clearly funding programs and directives that would transition the United States from its Constitutional form of government into collectivism, that would allow the vast territory to be ‘comfortably merged with the Soviet Union.’
read article and see clip here: http://www.infowars.com/norman-dodd-...-collectivism/

Labour is open to restricting EU freedom of movement, shadow Brexit Secretary Keir Starmer says
The shadow minister said he believed immigration was too high

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The Labour Party must be open to supporting the ending of current EU freedom of movement rules, the shadow Brexit Secretary has said.

Keir Starmer, a former Director of Public Prosecutions, said he believed immigration was too high and that people were “understandably” concerned about its effects.

He blamed a skills shortage for high immigration and said the best way to reduce it overall would be to increase training of young people born in Britain. But he also said the party should support “adjustments” to free movement rules.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7352991.html
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The sensible left wing position is that all people have the right to work and be free from persecution.

It is not, nor never has been the position. To let everyone in or get immigrants employmemt to the discrimination of British workers.
Two of the main founders of the British Labour Party, Keir Hardie and Ramsay McDonald were against all immigration, they saw it as the bosses bringing in cheap Labour to undercut British workers, they were right then and they are right now, nothing has changed since then. So why and when did the left wing decide to back the bosses ? I don't know really but things went up a gear gear when Blair came to power in 1997.

Labour Party poster from 1906

"Chinese Labour is defended because it enriches the mineowners"

The founders of the Labour Party will be turning in their graves at the treasonous so called left wing of today.

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well blair was educated at one of the most expensive schools in scotland and when he left politics after taking us into war in iraq for the jewish neo-cons he then went to work for JP Morgan (Morgan was a rothschild agent)

so blair was always on the side of the bosses
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well blair was educated at one of the most expensive schools in scotland and when he left politics after taking us into war in iraq for the jewish neo-cons he then went to work for JP Morgan (Morgan was a rothschild agent)

so blair was always on the side of the bosses
Blair is just a career politician. The worst sort. Why he chose labour, ill never know....
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Blair is just a career politician. The worst sort. Why he chose labour, ill never know....
he didn't choose labour....he was chosen at the bilderberg conference (well probably before then)

he was the candidate of the rothschilds who then cleared the way to power for him
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Blair is just a career politician. The worst sort. Why he chose labour, ill never know....
He chose (or was told to chose) labour for the reason that now when you say anything about the Tories people who have no idea what real labour was like will say, they are both the same.

They do not even get that Corbyn is old style labour, Blairites think he is trying to change the labour party and drag it another way, and other labour voters think he is doing something new and edgy

In this very short time I can see so clear how history gets re-written.

Goodness knows what has been re-written over time.
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