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Old 11-03-2013, 08:39 PM   #56721
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It's a very reasonable hypothesis which bears out the events.

If the police were under cover in the premises then there was surely a reason.

The raid was undertaken by the police - whether activated early or on schedule

If police resources were being thus utilised, then the expectation would be that a chargeable, prosecutable offence had taken place.

There would therefore be significant pressure, given time and money spent, of a court case following on from the raid.

The local police would probably not have been aware if there were security service involved in the Elm Guest House setup.

Thus the trial makes perfect sense.

What doesn't make sense is the use of the Old Bailey and the nature of the charge and punishment which gives an impression of interference from a higher level.
It makes absolute sense when you realise that they clearly knew the names involved and were probably able to control the situation better in a higher court. Wonder who the judge was?
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Old 11-03-2013, 08:41 PM   #56722
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reckon she's signing rupert's birthday card really
Bet shes putting kisses on the bottom too xxx
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Old 11-03-2013, 08:41 PM   #56723
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A couple of good articles from Gojams blog about Mcalpine

http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/
now we need to link mcalpine with Ovendon to mcalpine

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Old 11-03-2013, 08:45 PM   #56726
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now we need to link mcalpine with Ovendon to mcalpine

in the main stream
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Old 11-03-2013, 08:48 PM   #56727
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Kaz-a few more snippets and some int. detail on a certain judge who keeps popping his head up.

Dr Edward Brongersma is mentioned - senator in the Dutch Parliament and Chairman of the Permanent Committee on Justice of the Upper House.

Dennis Lemmon - 'gay news' editor convicted for publishing poem

- Talks of Tom o Carroll and his 'breathing spell' to complete his book about paedophilia (despite much confiscation of material by police) after the charges brought against PIE for 'swapping questions ' and concerns about their 'hobbies'.()
This is when a new leadership emerged it says + they began plans to set up an international paedophile co-ordinating agency. It managed to put out one
more Magpie issue.

At the Old Bailey facing charges among others was former treasurer of PIE George Grove - but he died before brought to justice.(they relented on his deathbed for 'humanitarian reasons' .

Judge Tudor Price was interestingly the prosecutor and denied the offence of belonging in such an organisation itself was wrong
per say. Swapping and opportunity to swap was.

NOTE
Judge Tudor Price is mentioned on elm docs and was the judge at the Kasir trial;

MM Document 27.
http://postimage.org/image/dpbuh82eb/

IAN GELDART
Instit. Study Terrorism

Ryall open prison (Bexhill)

Dwyer, Haddon - Leon Brittain visited

Guy Hamilton-Blackburn was in prison.
(charge was drugs in UK)

Carol arrested under Prevent Terrorism Act
DCI Sage did raid – was at Richmond
? RAWRO
Payments

Is an arrow from name of GHB above to show next comment refers to him

Had stayed at Carols GH with Paul Rinehardt setting up private rooms, names etc. ‘Brothels’.
Wanted Carol to become involved, often booked at Carols ‘South with Hand?’
He wrote to Capital Gay & had an advert placed for ‘Elm Guesthouse’

Colin Jordan (NF) was a regular visitor – ‘Gladys’ Kevin Plowell? Was his friend (?)
Son of an Irish Minister
Police Dect

Family book/how much earned/who visited
Only about guest house.
DCI Sage: arrest poss for a disorderly house
When at Police St ‘sex offence against Eric’
Keir was duty SW. Eric was interviewed for 5 days running.

Giford? tried get case (unsigned) statements thrown out.
?? (gay hotel) ?
Judge Tudor Price alleged.
?
Carol did not have any criminal record

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The Judge at the Kasir trial was Tudor - Price.


He was also the Judge at the Brinks Mat Bullion case - the establishment's go to guy?
He's dead now mods - so don't panic!
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=e...ed=0CDgQ6AEwAg


Finally another (former - yeah right) PIE member - mr Lesley Charlton handyman, 5th avenue new york.
Other defendants, already known; John Parrat and Michael Dagnall

other snippets;

-stuart shields was o carrolls barrister

-acquitted all but o' Carroll of the more serious of the 2 remaining charges.

- he curiously comments it was a mostly young male jury - trying to endorse they were 'right' or does this indicate this was a set up along with the (alleged, hiccup) establishment patsy judge?

Sorry if sketchy- took notes as I read.
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It makes absolute sense when you realise that they clearly knew the names involved and were probably able to control the situation better in a higher court. Wonder who the judge was?
See above - Judge Tudor Price - a stinker and a half. Also on the P.I.E. case with Tom O Carroll!

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Old 11-03-2013, 08:50 PM   #56728
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The case against him was dropped after police lost video evidence from alleged victims, taken during an earlier, aborted, investigation - and the defence successfully argued that without this he could not be guaranteed a fair trial.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2001/oct/09/sarahhall
Grrrr, since when have abused children needed video evidence to take perverts to court??? Surely affidavits from the police officers who viewed the video (prior to its loss) would have sufficed to attempt a conviction. Appears to be an awful lot of evidence going missing at police stations, I wonder do they take much care of Class A drugs or jewellery from robberies?
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That DETESTABLE woman Eggwina Curry!!

How dare she sneer at a victim for not coming forward sooner!
And this woman actually claims to be intelligent!
Does she not know anything about the effects of abuse on a victim mentally?!?
Unbelievable!! Obnoxious woman.
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Old 11-03-2013, 08:52 PM   #56730
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McAlpine admits he owned the Ovenden ‘art’ collection
Friday, November 23, 2012 10:32% of readers think this story is Fact. Add your two cents.

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An example of an Ovenden painting



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Confirmation from the man himself that he previously owned the Ovenden collection
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/...885405797.html

A report in London's Sunday Times noted the collection was initially thought to be that of an ageing roue, with an eye for the ladies, who was now desperate for the 100,000 or so pounds the collection is expected to bring.

The paper then received a tip the seller was the prodigious collector and former Tory treasurer, Lord Alistair McAlpine, who is hardly short of a quid.
But while the peer did assemble the collection, seven years ago he kindly donated 700 photographs by the likes of Bob Carlos Clarke, David Bailey, Terence Donovan, designer Karl Lagerfeld and others to the Art Gallery of NSW. It now appears the anonymous collector who is quietly flogging the snaps is indeed our very own art gallery.


The marketing manager for Bloomsbury Book Auctions, which is handling the sale, would not reveal to Sauce the identity of the seller, except to confirm it was an institution rather than an individual.

Despite the art gallery's director, Edmund Capon, being a friend of Lord McAlpine, the peer knew nothing of the sale until contacted by the Sunday Times.


When Sauce contacted McAlpine, who is busy with the upcoming opening of his B & B, formerly a 14th century convent in southern Italy, his lordship was more miffed by the sleazy title.

"I'm not put out, because if they [the art gallery] want to sell something I gave them, that's their business. The fact is, I just think it was very silly to sell these things.

"While they might not seem of great importance to a curator or photographer sitting in Sydney, which isn't the epicentre of the new world, they are considered to be an important collection."


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Old 11-03-2013, 08:54 PM   #56731
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That DETESTABLE woman Eggwina Curry!!

How dare she sneer at a victim for not coming forward sooner!
And this woman actually claims to be intelligent!
Does she not know anything about the effects of abuse on a victim mentally?!?
Unbelievable!! Obnoxious woman.
I think she may stay out of public view for a while as eggs may reappear on the menu
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Old 11-03-2013, 09:18 PM   #56733
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I think she may stay out of public view for a while as eggs may reappear on the menu
Honestly- is she just playing dumb or really that dumb?
Im not a survivor of abuse but even I know that;

a)experiences can be (purposefully or not) buried.
b)be too painful to revisit or confront
c)many people have rebuilt new lives with families and try their best to move on
d)many told once and werent believed the first time
e)were threatened to not tell or else
f)the abuser may have been powerful and manipulated them to not tell
g)some even mistakenly believe they deserved it and have low self esteem
h)too frightened - especially if a child
i)some people even, incredibly, forgive - which says much about their character.
j)are successful in life and dont want to be seen as a victim again
k)dont want press intrusion
l)a family member could be involved and tragically, familial loyalties and bonds keep it secret
oh I could go on and on and on...............stupid woman.
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Old 11-03-2013, 09:22 PM   #56734
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I'm noting a distinct lack of enthusiasm from many quarters re the forthcoming Red Nose Day............

Wiki has this to say - which sentiment could equally apply to NSPCC etc

Critics of Comic Relief and other BBC charity events say that the BBC is diverting funds from well established charities and smaller charities, there is no accountability for who decides on where the money is held or spent, and the main beneficiary is the BBC – goodwill and free programming – the bankers who hold the funds – and especially the celebrities promoting themselves on prime-time TV for free.

http://en.wikipedia.org
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Maybe it's time everyone, who understands the underlying corruption, votes with their wallet. Don't support the slebs self-promotion and corruption.

If these overpaid slebs put their own money into their charities - and that includes our multi-millionaire MP's and royal family and hangers on- there would be no need to take even more from the poor who are generous to a fault - but can't afford it.
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Old 11-03-2013, 09:28 PM   #56735
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Brian Paddick on 'being scared of the police......

I am a worried man. So are many of my former colleagues. We have done nothing wrong but that doesn’t appear to mean anything anymore.

Last Tuesday, the recently retired Assistant Commissioner for the City of London Police, Frank Armstrong, was arrested on suspicion of misconduct in public office.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ournalist.html



Thanks WW. That's one worrying article. Is this a case of the good guys being warned off? I suppose it's better than being bumped off.
that would be this Brian Paddick pictured here with the lovely Esther
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Old 11-03-2013, 09:32 PM   #56736
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I'm noting a distinct lack of enthusiasm from many quarters re the forthcoming Red Nose Day............

Wiki has this to say - which sentiment could equally apply to NSPCC etc

Critics of Comic Relief and other BBC charity events say that the BBC is diverting funds from well established charities and smaller charities, there is no accountability for who decides on where the money is held or spent, and the main beneficiary is the BBC – goodwill and free programming – the bankers who hold the funds – and especially the celebrities promoting themselves on prime-time TV for free.

http://en.wikipedia.org
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Maybe it's time everyone, who understands the underlying corruption, votes with their wallet. Don't support the slebs self-promotion and corruption.

If these overpaid slebs put their own money into their charities - and that includes our multi-millionaire MP's and royal family and hangers on- there would be no need to take even more from the poor who are generous to a fault - but can't afford it.
This source is American and religious, but provides an independent confirmation of what some people need to learn:

"People's brains go from the television to the telephone with their credit card. You'd think they'd take time out to do a little research to learn where all the money is going...I hate to say it, but it's nonetheless true, most people are gullible. They see images of starving children and give donations on impulse. Even when people see the large salaries paid to charity CEO's, it really doesn't sink-in to their brain"

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils..._charities.htm
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Lord McAlpine & Graham Ovenden

Lord McAlpine Graham Ovenden Evening Standard
04 Dec 2012 10:30
Viewing a couple of Graham Ovenden's portraits of prepubescent children made me feel sick. But Lord loves them.
12 Nov 2012 13:19
Will Davie ask Lord McAlpine about his collection of Graham Ovenden pictures of naked children in suggestive poses?
12 Nov 2012 11:09
Graham Ovenden's *Art* is grotesque, Lord McAlpine, a collector, is obviously attracted to young naked *girls* , smoke/fire??
10 Nov 2012 11:17
Why would Lord McAlpine have removed this from his Wikipedia entry in the last 24 hours? Any ideas? In May 2003 the London ''Evening Standard'' reported that Lord McAlpine was the "well-known and anonymous collector" for whom Bloomsbury Book Auctions was selling a collection of 344 "fashion and eroticism" photographs, including "10 snaps of very young girls in very suggestive poses by [[Graham Ovenden]]"."McAlpine erotic sell-off", ''Evening Standard'', May 23 2003, p10"


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Lord McAlpine is a Paedophile

Pervy art collector Alistair McAlpine

If a bloke in a council house owned a collection of photos of naked prepubescent girls he would be arrested as a paedophile, dragged before the courts, found guilty, fined or imprisoned and put on the Sex Offenders Register. The stash would be confiscated and, hopefully destroyed.

But what happens when Lord McAlpine owns a “collection of erotic art” priced in the thousands of pounds? Did you notice the magic phrase, art collection? So because some rich paedophile owns a collection of photographs or pseudo photographs it is now art.

Pseudo photographs are paintings that look like a real photographs, but have been painted while the subject poses or from photographs of the subject, who has previously posed. It changes nothing, kiddie porn is kiddie porn.

How the rich get away with it

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Graham Ovenden’s black-and-white photo of 10-year-old Maud Hewes sitting with her legs wide apart resulted in a criminal prosecution against an American publisher. As Robert Atkins wrote in The Village Voice, “Hewes’s parted legs are the prosecutorial key to determining lasciviousness.” Publication was allowed to move forward only after the federal government dropped the case, having been convinced it wasn’t intended to be erotic [note 1].

These are supposedly “obscene” and “un-ladylike” postures for girls, and many people are offended by encountering the details of a girl’s labia and the entry to her vagina.

For some reason, however, an open-legged pose is more often accepted for boys than for girls, even when the boy’s penis and scrotum are entirely visible and sharply delineated, as long as the penis remains flaccid. This is a blatantly sexist cultural double-standard.

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Confiscation and return of imagesA year later, in England, some of Ovenden's photographs were confiscated by the Obscene Publications Squad from Scotland Yard but returned after a campaign by Lord Hutchinson and fellow artists Sir Hugh Casson and David Hockney.[16][17]

Ovenden's work Five Girls and 29 other images in the permanent collection of the Tate Gallery were accessible online until October 2009, following the scandal that erupted over a photograph of Brooke Shields as part of the Tate Modern's 2009 Pop Life exhibit.

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This last one is a link to some of Ovenden's pictures
I wont put the up on here, your OK they are not kiddie porn
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Old 11-03-2013, 09:35 PM   #56738
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Look at all my flags!

Representing countries, that she and her ilk have managed to take control of over the years - through genocide and other evil and reprehensible ways.
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Look at all my flags!

Representing countries, that she and her ilk have managed to take control of over the years - through genocide and other evil and reprehensible ways.


Can't stand the woman and her bunch of parasite inbreds, divine right to rule what a friggin scam.
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Police raid at expert's home



http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/167904.article


http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/174130.article


Sure I unearthed something on this self proclaimed expert on here
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