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Old 05-07-2008, 11:53 AM   #1
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From R. A. Wilson's book Prometheus Rising

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"There is a Zen story about a monk who, having failed to achieve "enlightenment" (brain-change) through the normal Zen methods, was told by his teacher to think of nothing but an ox. Day after day after day, the monk thought of the ox, meditated on the ox. Finally, one day, the teacher came to the monk's cell and said, "Come out here -- I want to talk to you."

"I can't get out," the monk said. "My horns won't fit through the door."

I can't get out . . .
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Old 06-07-2008, 03:11 PM   #2
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Sorry, couldn't resist a little humor there--

But I think the point of the story is that we become what we think about--So whatever we sit around thinking about all day is what we become.
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Old 06-07-2008, 03:17 PM   #3
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Sorry, couldn't resist a little humor there--

But I think the point of the story is that we become what we think about--So whatever we sit around thinking about all day is what we become.
I love lolcats! Never apologise about using humour!

I love this quote you see and got some good insight from it, for me it taught me a lot about how I create my own limitations........
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Old 06-07-2008, 03:30 PM   #4
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Thanks krakhead--I like the point of the analogy you used in your opening post. I think it contains a very important truth.
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Old 07-07-2008, 09:59 AM   #5
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But I think the point of the story is that we become what we think about--So whatever we sit around thinking about all day is what we become.
Like victims of the new world order?
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Old 07-07-2008, 10:30 AM   #6
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hi majicdragon, yeah--if a person sees themselves as a victim, he/she usually becomes one

our thought creates our reality

events (both joyous and tragic) happen in our lives that we have no control over, but it's how we react and handle these moments that's really important and defines who we are.

Someone can victimize you, but you don't have to be a victim--it's all in how you perceive it. The only real control we have is over our thoughts.

Henry David Thoreau said in his famous essay "Civil Disobedience":

"However, the government does not concern me much, and I shall bestow the fewest possible thoughts on it. It is not many moments that I live under a government, even in this world. If a man is thought-free, fancy-free, imagination-free, that which is not never for a long time appearing to be to him, unwise rulers or reformers cannot fatally interrupt him."

They can lock up your body, but they can never lock up your thoughts.

Here's a link to the whole essay if you're up for a philosophical read.
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Old 07-07-2008, 11:04 AM   #7
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I think i'm living in a victim attitude. I mean, everything i do goes wrong, im starving, cant seem to find any money. I bring problems in to my life i think so i can solve them, as life is boring unless im fighting, or at least that's what i mean. I think i feel i have to always be 'against', as a child, and so as an adult.

I'm not weak, or such,but i can never succeed at the things i try, even a story, i used to write so much, now, i just dont feel like it. I dont feel like reading, writing, breathing, cooking - i feel ive lost all my self, like i have a hole. I am very talented and mostly all inately, but all i want now sometimes is pure privacy, sleep, hard drugs pop into my head - i want them i want them i want them - then i lie to myself, because if i did have money, id probally buy them. Im not talking acid..

I think i like who i am but im being wasted with my talents by ((being so poor- (although i sit at a p.c - i dont pay for it) for animals and animal communication etc, also an adventurer, and a complete independent, whislt in this environment, this is how i am. I dont want to be what i am any more - but i can't get out of this environment, beleive me, ive tried, and done it a few times. But i just fall back into bad luck, and tou know what - i never put myself above anyone, i am very nice and thoughtful even if a little intimidatring to people i meet because my confidence and knowledge, although i don't really share it, it's there, but it's mine.

Gee what a morning, i think i sould delete this this....should i post this?? What good will it do, apart from get toasted...I think it's my inner ego that wont let go of the me thats been and gone, but which is why im in a pit, untill i realize the past is the past and i shouldn't feel guilty for being a drug abuser i dont no longer need to attack myself and punish myself. I need to be with animals, and nature, but i cant find them. To heal. Regenerate...did i tell you i am a Borg lol ( o.k that helped me bring the energy down a key) I just had a really wired moment.

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Old 07-07-2008, 11:17 AM   #8
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hi rick--I am sorry to hear you're having such a rough time of it, but I think your first sentence says it all. Changing your thought is not an easy task. Our attitudes are formed by our experiences so in order to change our attitude, we need to change our experiences.

I encourage you to get back to your creative instincts--you write? That's an excellent outlet for thinking--

Only you can change or control your thoughts. Ralph Waldo Emerson said in his essay titled "Self-Reliance," "Trust thyself--every heart vibrates to that iron string." So trust yourself--that might help with the "victim" mentality.

Just something to think about--

(here's a link to the essay mentioned above if you want to read it.)
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hi rick--I am sorry to hear you're having such a rough time of it, but I think your first sentence says it all. Changing your thought is not an easy task. Our attitudes are formed by our experiences so in order to change our attitude, we need to change our experiences.

I encourage you to get back to your creative instincts--you write? That's an excellent outlet for thinking--

Only you can change or control your thoughts. Ralph Waldo Emerson said in his essay titled "Self-Reliance," "Trust thyself--every heart vibrates to that iron string." So trust yourself--that might help with the "victim" mentality.

Just something to think about--

(here's a link to the essay mentioned above if you want to read it.)
Thanks man. Will read that with a cuppa' tea.
and you're right, i know too, but like you know, it's all easier said than done, especially if you don't have anything to channel energy too thats new. Something to mark a new start, say like when a person moves house, or starts college, or gets money or something.

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Thanks man. Will read that with a cuppa' tea.
and you're right, i know too, but like you know, it's all easier said than done, especially if you don't have anything to channel energy too thats new. Something to mark a new start, say like when a person moves house, or starts college, or gets money or something.

Rick
You're right--it is easier said than done; but you can start today and take it one step at a time. Over time, you will begin to notice a change in how you react and think about things that are happening to you. Eventually, when you learn to master your thoughts, you will be powerful beyond belief and no one can make you feel like a victim ever again--

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You're right--it is easier said than done; but you can start today and take it one step at a time. Over time, you will begin to notice a change in how you react and think about things that are happening to you. Eventually, when you learn to master your thoughts, you will be powerful beyond belief and no one can make you feel like a victim ever again--

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POWER TO US!!!!!

Thanks. I actually just laughed for the first time in yonks..i had a fuzzy feeling, i think someone was listening.

Did you send me energy

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Old 07-07-2008, 01:32 PM   #12
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POWER TO US!!!!!

Thanks. I actually just laughed for the first time in yonks..i had a fuzzy feeling, i think someone was listening.

Did you send me energy

Rick
But of course I did--it was in the posts I also sent some positive vibes your way; hope it lasts
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But of course I did--it was in the posts I also sent some positive vibes your way; hope it lasts
About 15 minutes ago, my heart just heated up and i felt like i had a direct infusion of nice feeling, healing. It was pumping fast and hot and i felt so good.

I think ive realized, well i knew, but i mean realized i am deeply unhappy and need to get away from this situaltion.

Love you all man.
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I wish you all the best rick--I'll keep sending happy thoughts your way
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The Eight Basic Scripts

1. The biosurvival

Winner

"I will live forever or die trying."

Loser

"I don't know how to defend myself."

2. The emotional-territorial

Winner

"I am free; you are free; we can have our
separate trips or we can have the same trip."

Loser

"They all intimidate me."

3. The semantic

Winner

"I am learning more about everything,
including how to learn more."

Loser

"I can't solve my problems."

4. The sociosexual

Winner

"Love, and do what thou wilt." (Anon. of Ibid)

Loser

"Everything I like is illegal, immoral, or fattening."

5. The neurosomatic

Winner

"How I feel depends on my neurological knowhow."

Loser

"I can't help the way I feel."

6. The metaprogramming

Winner

"I make my own coincidences, synchronicities,
luck, and Destiny."

Loser

"Why do I have such lousy luck?"

7. The neurogenetic

Winner

"Future evolution depends on my decisions now."

Loser

"Evolution is blind and impersonal."

8. The neuroatomic

Winner

"In the province of the mind, what is believed to be true is true,
or becomes true within certain limits to be learned by
experience and experiment." (Dr.John Lilly)

Loser

"I am not psychic, and I doubt anyone is."
http://deoxy.org/8basic.htm

Related to the Eight Circuit model of Human Consciousness as described by Robert Anton Wilson in 'Prometheus Rising', and developed by him and Timothy Leary.

What an amazing book, along with 'Cosmic Trigger Vol.1' and 'Quantum Psychology', absolutely essential reading for re-programming your brain for success in life (and not necessarily for financial gain, like a lot of the New Age books would have you concentrate on.)

RAW was one of the greatest teachers of modern times IMHO.
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RAW was one of the greatest teachers of modern times IMHO.
He wasn't bad for a robot/cyborg created by the CIA was he?
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He wasn't bad for a robot/cyborg created by the CIA was he?
If he was working for the Company, then I want in - sign me up.
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If he was working for the Company, then I want in - sign me up.
They killed the 'real' RAW in a swimming pool I think, then replaced him with a robot. Fact! Well, fact that it was reported he was dead anyway (way before he 'actually' died obviously!).
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They killed the 'real' RAW in a swimming pool I think, then replaced him with a robot. Fact! Well, fact that it was reported he was dead anyway (way before he 'actually' died obviously!).
Yeah, I remember reading that story of RAW being declared dead in about 1991 and him ringing round his friends to find out if it was true, LOL

If so, then the thing I saw talking on stage in 1997 was a pretty good replica of the old RAW
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Yeah, I remember reading that story of RAW being declared dead in about 1991 and him ringing round his friends to find out if it was true, LOL

If so, then the thing I saw talking on stage in 1997 was a pretty good replica of the old RAW
Where'd you see him? London? was that 1997?
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