PROOF OF THE NWO ; Essential Quotes - Page 6

kasalt · 24-04-2009, 08:12 PM

Zbigniew Brzezinski, quoted from his book, Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technetronic Era:

"The technetronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities."

kasalt · 12-05-2009, 10:58 PM

kasalt · 14-05-2009, 08:23 PM

Thomas Jefferson:

"The eyes of our citizens are not sufficiently open to the true cause of our distress. They ascribe them to everything but their true cause: the banking system... a system which if it could do good in any form is yet so certain of leading to abuse as to be utterly incompatible with the public safety and prosperity."

The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863, laying the groundwork for the eventual passage of their catastrophic Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913:

"The few who understand the system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."

Source: http://www.rapidtrends.com/quotes-from-international-bankers-and-fathers-of-america/

lessgov2007 · 23-05-2009, 10:59 AM

Okay the following is by no means proof of a New World Order conspiracy, however for those who have already done their homework it might shed a little light on the motivations behind the creation of a one world empire.
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The following is quoted from pages 23 and 24 of

FUNDAMENTAL LAWS
A Report of the 68th Convocation of the Rose Cross Order
Published by THE PHILOSOPHICAL PUBLISHING CO.
Allentown, Pa
For the Members of the Rose Cross Order
1916

INTRODUCTION TO THE GREAT SEAL

It is rather strange and an unknown thing for one to write an introduction to a single chapter appearing in a book, but the conditions are so unusual as to warrant it.

More than a year ago, Grace K. Morey, the author of the article, "The Great Seal of the United States and It's Mystical Significance," prepared a sketch for a short primer of the Illuminati teachings, and in this sketch, as will be shown by the drawings, it was brought out that man is not only a threefold being, but that he is actually a four-fold being as well. In short, that when he has succeeded in reaching Soul Illumination, he is completed Pyramid or true Triangle.

If the student will give serious study to article on the Seal of the United States, he will find that on the reverse side of the seal which is as yet uncut, there is to be found the Pyramid, but with the capstone as yet not placed, and thus he will see that the Philosophy upon which these United States are founded as is clearly indicated by our four fold philosophy, by the drawings representing our Philosophy, and by the drawings of the reverse side of the United States seal.

And thus it would appear that the Unseen Hierarchies which shaped the foundation of the great Republic which must some day rule the world, are the same Hierarchies which gave us the Soul Science Philosophy as taught by the Illuminati.

And now let us look into the future, not far, but just beyond the line. We find that scholars condemn the design of the reverse side of the United States Seal, that it has never been cut but has remained hidden as though it were something to be ashamed of.

However, though this appears the truth, it is not the truth. The reason why it has never been cut is because the time is not yet as the cap-stone has not yet been set.

And what is this cap-stone? My reader, prepare for a shock.

When Atlantis ruled the word, that which is now America was connected with Egypt by what is now Mexico, and in Mexico, in the territory of Yucatan, there is a Pyramid in which the Fire Philosophers worshiped God as Divine Fire and Life in like manner as did the Initiates of Egypt, for the two were then one.

America is not complete, and will not be complete, cannot be complete, until Mexico is again part of America as she was in the long ago, and when Mexico is once again a part of the United States, then will the cap-stone have been set on the Pyramid and the reverse side of the United States seal will be cut.

Thus you will see that the Soul Science Primer with its drawings, is but the beginning of the article on "Body, Mind, Spirit and Soul" is the finale thereof.

May it not be long until the Holy Pyramid shall be completed and may it be completed without the shedding of blood.

Lovingly given,
R. SWINBURNE CLYMER.
"Beverly Hall," Quakertown, Pa., July 6th, 1916
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Did it ever occur to anyone that perhaps America when it was a Republic, before the people were convinced it was a Democracy, that in fact the secret destiny of America was to create a world of sovereign nation states forming a global empire? Perhaps the founders and the philosophies behind their motivations were not so ill intent?

I have come to the conclusion from my own studies that America when it was young, established as a Republic with a Constitution based on the principle that all men are created equal with specific creator endowed natural birth rights, that America the Republic was to be perpetual, to be the New World Order. This of course was seen as a direct threat against the British/Roman Empire, and if you look through out American/Christian history you will find that indeed British and Vatican agents have labored to usurp the destiny of America and transform it into an engine for enslaving the world, to re-create the old world order, the old world British/Roman Empire yet again.
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The following is quoted from:

FUNDAMENTAL LAWS

A Report of the 68th Convocation of the Rose Cross Order

Page 16

This is of the utmost importance just as this time, when we find that no less than five different Orders, calling themselves Rosicrucian, have sprung up within the last few years, and not one of these five has a shred of the true Rosicrucian teachings.

Some of them are deliberate frauds, claiming to be what they are not, while others are clearly under the guidance of members of the Black Brotherhood and their doctrines are absolutely destructive in that they uphold practices which are too abominable to even mention.

One of these orders, claiming to be Rosicrucian, admits that it has no teachings, that it is all ceremonies, when history tells us clearly that the Ross Cross Order was founded with the idea of leading men to their higher selves. In other words, while the Rose Cross has it's ceremonial Initiation, it's foundation is upon a training school for souls and its ceremonies are but secondary.

The lecture on the Second Coming of the Christ is also of great importance at a time when many false Christs are put forth for the people to kneel down before, when in fact, most of these are not only false Christs, but are of the lower grade of humanity in as far as either Evolution or Development is concerned. Mr. Witt clearly points out what that Christ is and how He must come to all of us individually if he is to come at all.
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I think this quote also supports that which is written in Fundamental Laws, Order of the Rose & Cross 68th Convocation.

“I have been convinced that we, as an Order, have come under the power of some very evil occult Order, profoundly versed in science, both occult and otherwise, though not infallible, their methods being black magic, that is to say, electro-magnetic power, hypnotism, and powerful suggestion. We are convinced that the Order is being controlled by some Sun Order, after the nature of the Illuminati, if not by that Order itself. We see our edifice...crumbling and covering the ground with ruins, we see the destruction that our hands no longer arrest...a great sect arose, which taking for its motto the good and the happiness of man, worked in the darkness of the conspiracy to make the happiness of humanity a prey for itself. This sect is known to everyone, its brothers are known no less than its name. It is they who have undermined the foundations of the Order to the point of complete overthrow; it is by them that all humanity has been poisoned and led astray for several generations...They began by casting odium on religion...Their masters had nothing less in view than the thrones of the earth, and the governments of the nations was to be directed by their nocturnal clubs...the misuse of our order...has produced all the political and moral troubles with which the world is filled today...we must from this moment dissolve the whole Order” - Duke of Brunswick, Grand Master of German Freemasonry, 1794
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It was prior to the American Civil War that the British/Roman Empire really began digging in deep within the American culture, fomenting the conditions of dissolution within the United States. It was the British Monarchy who exported their influence over the Southern States establishing the network and infrastructure to create the slave plantation system, which the Monarchy supplied slaves too that were traded for in Africa.

There's always more to the story...

“This war would never have been possible without the sinister influence of the Jesuits. We owe it to Popery that we now see our land reddened with the blood of her noblest sons. Though there were great differences of opinion between the South and North, on the question of slavery, neither Jeff Davis nor any one of the leading men of the Confederacy would have dared to attack the North, had they not relied on the promise of the Jesuits, that, under the mask of Democracy, the money and the arms of the Roman Catholics, even the arms of France, were at their disposal if they would attack us.” -Abraham Lincoln, 1864

“It is my opinion that if the liberties of this country—the United States of America—are destroyed, it will be by the subtlety of the Roman Catholic Jesuit priests, for they are the most crafty, dangerous enemies to civil and religious liberty. They have instigated most of the wars of Europe.” General Lafayette, 1799 Aide to General Washington Romanism: A Menace to the Nation

“The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving the world and adulterated by artificial constructions into a contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves...these clergy, in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ.” - Thomas Jefferson
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JOHN 10:33 "The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God."

"The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ Himself, he is Jesus Christ Himself, hidden under a veil of flesh." -Catholic National July, 1895

"We hold upon this Earth the place of God Almighty." -Pope Leo XIII, in an Encyclical letter, dated June 20, 1894

Vicar of Christ (Latin Vicarius Christi) has been used since Pope Gelasius I (served 492 - 496), alongside a few rarer 'vicarial' titles, as one of the titles of the Bishop of Rome —the Pope— as head of the Universal Church (see Papal primacy). A vicar is one who represents another and acts as a steward, administering the position held in lieu of the true sovereign. In the Catechism of the Catholic Church, in addition to the pope, each bishop is referred to as the "Christ's Vicar"(§1560) to their diocese, and the conscience is called "the aboriginal Vicar of Christ."(§1778) Source Wiki

Vicar Vic"ar (v[i^]k"[~e]r), n. [OE. vicar, viker, vicair, F.
vicaire, fr. L. vicarius. See Vicarious.]
1. One deputed or authorized to perform the functions of
another; a substitute in office; a deputy. [R.]
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Anti An"ti [Gr. 'anti` against. See Ante.]
A prefix meaning against, opposite or opposed to, contrary,
or in place of; -- used in composition in many English words.
It is often shortened to ant-; as, antacid, antarctic.
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2 PETER 1:20 "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."

REVELATION 17:4 "And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet color, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full and abominations of filthiness of her fornication."

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I'd have to say, I do not know of any one quote that can prove a conspiracy to establish a new world order. However, I think with study and reason one can clearly understand that the world order we are headed towards today is nothing new, and surely will be born of evil.

"National Socialism will use it's own revolution for establishing a New World Order" -Adolf Hitler

http://lessgov2007.blogspot.com/

kasalt · 24-05-2009, 01:56 PM

, Chief architect of European Unity, 30 April 1952:

“Europe's nations should be guided towards the superstate without their people understanding what is happening. This can be accomplished by successive steps, each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will irreversibly lead to federation.”

Gideon Rachman, Financial Times, December 8 2008:

“So, it seems, everything is in place. For the first time since homo sapiens began to doodle on cave walls, there is an argument, an opportunity and a means to make serious steps towards a world government.”

David Icke:

“For you to believe that there is no major world conspiracy which involves a small number of people manipulating humanity through a hierarchical structure of control toward a New World Order, shows you have, in actual fact, not looked genuinely into the abundance of well-researched information on world conspiracy to see if there is one!”

jkdt0077 · 26-06-2009, 11:18 AM

Where do these quotes come from?

I tried researching the Prince Philip quote:
If I were reincarnated, I would wish to be returned to Earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels.

I was trying to find out where and when he said this but when you search in Google all that comes up is 10 million sites like this with the quote simply bandied around, but with no source.

I was just wondering if anybody has the full message this quote was part of, to get some kind of context etc..

flyermay · 26-06-2009, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkdt0077

Where do these quotes come from?

I tried researching the Prince Philip quote:
If I were reincarnated, I would wish to be returned to Earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels.

I was trying to find out where and when he said this but when you search in Google all that comes up is 10 million sites like this with the quote simply bandied around, but with no source.

I was just wondering if anybody has the full message this quote was part of, to get some kind of context etc..

Source: 'Are You Ready For Our New Age Future?', Insiders Report, American Policy Center, December 1995.

jkdt0077 · 26-06-2009, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyermay

Source: 'Are You Ready For Our New Age Future?', Insiders Report, American Policy Center, December 1995.

Ok - what is this though?
If I search for "Are You Ready for Our New Age Future?" or "Insiders Report December 1995" I simply get returned the same 10 million conspiracy sites with the quote on. What exactly is this source and where can I view evidence of the quote?

flyermay · 26-06-2009, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkdt0077

Ok - what is this though?
If I search for "Are You Ready for Our New Age Future?" or "Insiders Report December 1995" I simply get returned the same 10 million conspiracy sites with the quote on. What exactly is this source and where can I view evidence of the quote?

Source:

Article: 'Are You Ready For Our New Age Future?'
Publication: Insiders report
Publisher: American Policy Center
Date: December 1995

You have to realise that not every single publication has been digitalised and uploaded to the internet, but you should be able to get a copy through the publisher.

jkdt0077 · 26-06-2009, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyermay

Source:

Article: 'Are You Ready For Our New Age Future?'
Publication: Insiders report
Publisher: American Policy Center
Date: December 1995

You have to realise that not every single publication has been digitalised and uploaded to the internet, but you should be able to get a copy through the publisher.

Ok thanks - I guess what I'm asking is has anybody on this forum actually seen (or possess) an actual hard copy of this publication. I have a hard time believing quotes like this especially when I have no verifiable proof to show it actually was said and in the supposed context. I would love to see a scan or something showing the actual publication.

kasalt · 26-06-2009, 02:14 PM

Would you accept this as a valid source?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandsty...-prince-philip

jkdt0077 · 26-06-2009, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kasalt

Would you accept this as a valid source?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandsty...-prince-philip

Possibly, although it's interesting you bring that site to my attention as:
a) the quote is different
and
b) the date is different

Therefore, no I don't really accept that as a valid source.

kasalt · 26-06-2009, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkdt0077

Possibly, although it's interesting you bring that site to my attention as:
a) the quote is different
and
b) the date is different

Therefore, no I don't really accept that as a valid source.

Suffice to say, I think it is a valid quote:

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Prince_...e_of_Edinburgh

jkdt0077 · 26-06-2009, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kasalt

Suffice to say, I think it is a valid quote:

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Prince_...e_of_Edinburgh

You're making your argument even worse. That gives yet another source and date for the quote:
Foreword to Fleur Cowles, If I Were an Animal (William Morrow, publisher, 1987, ISBN 9780688061500)

So, which is real? You're all set to believe it's a real quote (backing up the idea of the NWO) yet seem to have absolutely no idea when, where or in what context it was said.

kasalt · 26-06-2009, 02:33 PM

The date given is not the date of Prince Philip's quote, it is the publication date of the source text quoting Prince Philip.

You bring up a good point though, namely that there are far too many alleged quotes floating around on the internet with insufficient referencing of sources--or even no attempt to cite sources at all.

I always make my best effort to cite sources for quotes, and the only time I go with a quote for which I cannot find adequate sourcing is when I've been personally convinced that it is valid.

I don't think I've been wrong once yet.

jkdt0077 · 26-06-2009, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kasalt

The date given is not the date of Prince Philip's quote, it is the publication date of the source text quoting Prince Philip.

I've just found the original foreword from the book where the quote originated.

Quote:

"If I Were An Animal?
United Kingdom: Robin Clark Ltd., 1986

"I just wonder what it would be like to be reincarnated in an animal whose
species had been so reduced in numbers that it was in danger of extinction. What
would be its feelings toward the human species whose population explosion had
denied it somewhere to exist....I must confess that I am tempted to ask for
reincarnation as a particularly deadly virus."

Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh's, foreword to Fleur Cowles' book, If I Were An Animal, United Kingdom: Robin Clark Ltd., 1986.

It is indeed written in a somewhat different context than the conspiracy sites would have us believe - not to mention the words being completely different from those that are splashed across hundreds of thousand of those sites.
It's so easy to get pulled in by these misquotations. It seems not enough people on this site and others are willing to look into them too far to verify them.

flyermay · 26-06-2009, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkdt0077

You're making your argument even worse. That gives yet another source and date for the quote:
Foreword to Fleur Cowles, If I Were an Animal (William Morrow, publisher, 1987, ISBN 9780688061500)

So, which is real? You're all set to believe it's a real quote (backing up the idea of the NWO) yet seem to have absolutely no idea when, where or in what context it was said.

I think you are getting confused by the fact that the phrase has been used by different authors. The different references do not actually make reference to the prince's quote, but to the publication that quoted it.

For example:

"If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels" (Prince Philip Duke of Edinburgh, leader of the World Wildlife Fund, quoted in "Are You Ready for Our New Age Future?" Insiders Report, American Policy Center, December 1995).

The quote includes, the person who the phrase is attributed to, and then the source (as explained before). So, the source might change, as I can include the quote in a book if I want to.

But please correct me if I'm wrong; that quote was on the headlines of every newspaper at its time.

kasalt · 26-06-2009, 02:55 PM

It appears that Prince Philip may have made two separate quotes of this nature:

Reported by Deutsche Press Agentur (DPA), August, 1988:

"In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation."

Prince Philip, in his Foreward to If I Were an Animal; United Kingdom, Robin Clark Ltd., 1986.
"I just wonder what it would be like to be reincarnated in an animal whose species had been so reduced in numbers than it was in danger of extinction. What would be its feelings toward the human species whose population explosion had denied it somewhere to exist.... I must confess that I am tempted to ask for reincarnation as a particularly deadly virus."

Source: http://www.prisonplanet.com/Pages/10...ce_philip.html

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyermay

that quote was on the headlines of every newspaper at its time.

Yes, I remember there was quite a flap about it in the press at the time.

flyermay · 26-06-2009, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkdt0077

I've just found the original foreword from the book where the quote originated.

It is indeed written in a somewhat different context than the conspiracy sites would have us believe - not to mention the words being completely different from those that are splashed across hundreds of thousand of those sites.
It's so easy to get pulled in by these misquotations. It seems not enough people on this site and others are willing to look into them too far to verify them.

Maybe if it's written differently is because it is a different quote. The one you posted is endeed from Robin Clark Ltd 1986. But the first one you asked for seems to have been first reported by Deutsche Press Agentur (DPA) in August, 1988; which is: "In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation."

flyermay · 26-06-2009, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kasalt

It appears that Prince Philip may have made two separate quotes of this nature:

Reported by Deutsche Press Agentur (DPA), August, 1988:

"In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation."

Prince Philip, in his Foreward to If I Were an Animal; United Kingdom, Robin Clark Ltd., 1986.
"I just wonder what it would be like to be reincarnated in an animal whose species had been so reduced in numbers than it was in danger of extinction. What would be its feelings toward the human species whose population explosion had denied it somewhere to exist.... I must confess that I am tempted to ask for reincarnation as a particularly deadly virus."

Source: http://www.prisonplanet.com/Pages/10...ce_philip.html

lol

24-04-2009, 08:12 PM	#101
kasalt Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,017 Likes: 45 (30 Posts)	Zbigniew Brzezinski, quoted from his book, Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technetronic Era: "The technetronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities." __________________

14-05-2009, 08:23 PM	#103
kasalt Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,017 Likes: 45 (30 Posts)	Thomas Jefferson: "The eyes of our citizens are not sufficiently open to the true cause of our distress. They ascribe them to everything but their true cause: the banking system... a system which if it could do good in any form is yet so certain of leading to abuse as to be utterly incompatible with the public safety and prosperity." The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863, laying the groundwork for the eventual passage of their catastrophic Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913: "The few who understand the system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests." Source: http://www.rapidtrends.com/quotes-from-international-bankers-and-fathers-of-america/ __________________ Last edited by kasalt; 15-05-2009 at 01:28 AM.

23-05-2009, 10:59 AM	#104
lessgov2007 Inactive Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 574 Likes: 0 (0 Posts)	A new order? Okay the following is by no means proof of a New World Order conspiracy, however for those who have already done their homework it might shed a little light on the motivations behind the creation of a one world empire. __________________________________________________ _______________ The following is quoted from pages 23 and 24 of FUNDAMENTAL LAWS A Report of the 68th Convocation of the Rose Cross Order Published by THE PHILOSOPHICAL PUBLISHING CO. Allentown, Pa For the Members of the Rose Cross Order 1916 INTRODUCTION TO THE GREAT SEAL It is rather strange and an unknown thing for one to write an introduction to a single chapter appearing in a book, but the conditions are so unusual as to warrant it. More than a year ago, Grace K. Morey, the author of the article, "The Great Seal of the United States and It's Mystical Significance," prepared a sketch for a short primer of the Illuminati teachings, and in this sketch, as will be shown by the drawings, it was brought out that man is not only a threefold being, but that he is actually a four-fold being as well. In short, that when he has succeeded in reaching Soul Illumination, he is completed Pyramid or true Triangle. If the student will give serious study to article on the Seal of the United States, he will find that on the reverse side of the seal which is as yet uncut, there is to be found the Pyramid, but with the capstone as yet not placed, and thus he will see that the Philosophy upon which these United States are founded as is clearly indicated by our four fold philosophy, by the drawings representing our Philosophy, and by the drawings of the reverse side of the United States seal. And thus it would appear that the Unseen Hierarchies which shaped the foundation of the great Republic which must some day rule the world, are the same Hierarchies which gave us the Soul Science Philosophy as taught by the Illuminati. And now let us look into the future, not far, but just beyond the line. We find that scholars condemn the design of the reverse side of the United States Seal, that it has never been cut but has remained hidden as though it were something to be ashamed of. However, though this appears the truth, it is not the truth. The reason why it has never been cut is because the time is not yet as the cap-stone has not yet been set. And what is this cap-stone? My reader, prepare for a shock. When Atlantis ruled the word, that which is now America was connected with Egypt by what is now Mexico, and in Mexico, in the territory of Yucatan, there is a Pyramid in which the Fire Philosophers worshiped God as Divine Fire and Life in like manner as did the Initiates of Egypt, for the two were then one. America is not complete, and will not be complete, cannot be complete, until Mexico is again part of America as she was in the long ago, and when Mexico is once again a part of the United States, then will the cap-stone have been set on the Pyramid and the reverse side of the United States seal will be cut. Thus you will see that the Soul Science Primer with its drawings, is but the beginning of the article on "Body, Mind, Spirit and Soul" is the finale thereof. May it not be long until the Holy Pyramid shall be completed and may it be completed without the shedding of blood. Lovingly given, R. SWINBURNE CLYMER. "Beverly Hall," Quakertown, Pa., July 6th, 1916 __________________________________________________ ________________ Did it ever occur to anyone that perhaps America when it was a Republic, before the people were convinced it was a Democracy, that in fact the secret destiny of America was to create a world of sovereign nation states forming a global empire? Perhaps the founders and the philosophies behind their motivations were not so ill intent? I have come to the conclusion from my own studies that America when it was young, established as a Republic with a Constitution based on the principle that all men are created equal with specific creator endowed natural birth rights, that America the Republic was to be perpetual, to be the New World Order. This of course was seen as a direct threat against the British/Roman Empire, and if you look through out American/Christian history you will find that indeed British and Vatican agents have labored to usurp the destiny of America and transform it into an engine for enslaving the world, to re-create the old world order, the old world British/Roman Empire yet again. __________________________________________________ ______________________ The following is quoted from: FUNDAMENTAL LAWS A Report of the 68th Convocation of the Rose Cross Order Page 16 This is of the utmost importance just as this time, when we find that no less than five different Orders, calling themselves Rosicrucian, have sprung up within the last few years, and not one of these five has a shred of the true Rosicrucian teachings. Some of them are deliberate frauds, claiming to be what they are not, while others are clearly under the guidance of members of the Black Brotherhood and their doctrines are absolutely destructive in that they uphold practices which are too abominable to even mention. One of these orders, claiming to be Rosicrucian, admits that it has no teachings, that it is all ceremonies, when history tells us clearly that the Ross Cross Order was founded with the idea of leading men to their higher selves. In other words, while the Rose Cross has it's ceremonial Initiation, it's foundation is upon a training school for souls and its ceremonies are but secondary. The lecture on the Second Coming of the Christ is also of great importance at a time when many false Christs are put forth for the people to kneel down before, when in fact, most of these are not only false Christs, but are of the lower grade of humanity in as far as either Evolution or Development is concerned. Mr. Witt clearly points out what that Christ is and how He must come to all of us individually if he is to come at all. __________________________________________________ _____________________ I think this quote also supports that which is written in Fundamental Laws, Order of the Rose & Cross 68th Convocation. “I have been convinced that we, as an Order, have come under the power of some very evil occult Order, profoundly versed in science, both occult and otherwise, though not infallible, their methods being black magic, that is to say, electro-magnetic power, hypnotism, and powerful suggestion. We are convinced that the Order is being controlled by some Sun Order, after the nature of the Illuminati, if not by that Order itself. We see our edifice...crumbling and covering the ground with ruins, we see the destruction that our hands no longer arrest...a great sect arose, which taking for its motto the good and the happiness of man, worked in the darkness of the conspiracy to make the happiness of humanity a prey for itself. This sect is known to everyone, its brothers are known no less than its name. It is they who have undermined the foundations of the Order to the point of complete overthrow; it is by them that all humanity has been poisoned and led astray for several generations...They began by casting odium on religion...Their masters had nothing less in view than the thrones of the earth, and the governments of the nations was to be directed by their nocturnal clubs...the misuse of our order...has produced all the political and moral troubles with which the world is filled today...we must from this moment dissolve the whole Order” - Duke of Brunswick, Grand Master of German Freemasonry, 1794 __________________________________________________ ______________ It was prior to the American Civil War that the British/Roman Empire really began digging in deep within the American culture, fomenting the conditions of dissolution within the United States. It was the British Monarchy who exported their influence over the Southern States establishing the network and infrastructure to create the slave plantation system, which the Monarchy supplied slaves too that were traded for in Africa. There's always more to the story... “This war would never have been possible without the sinister influence of the Jesuits. We owe it to Popery that we now see our land reddened with the blood of her noblest sons. Though there were great differences of opinion between the South and North, on the question of slavery, neither Jeff Davis nor any one of the leading men of the Confederacy would have dared to attack the North, had they not relied on the promise of the Jesuits, that, under the mask of Democracy, the money and the arms of the Roman Catholics, even the arms of France, were at their disposal if they would attack us.” -Abraham Lincoln, 1864 “It is my opinion that if the liberties of this country—the United States of America—are destroyed, it will be by the subtlety of the Roman Catholic Jesuit priests, for they are the most crafty, dangerous enemies to civil and religious liberty. They have instigated most of the wars of Europe.” General Lafayette, 1799 Aide to General Washington Romanism: A Menace to the Nation “The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving the world and adulterated by artificial constructions into a contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves...these clergy, in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ.” - Thomas Jefferson __________________________________________________ _______________________ __________________________________________________ _______________________- JOHN 10:33 "The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God." "The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ Himself, he is Jesus Christ Himself, hidden under a veil of flesh." -Catholic National July, 1895 "We hold upon this Earth the place of God Almighty." -Pope Leo XIII, in an Encyclical letter, dated June 20, 1894 Vicar of Christ (Latin Vicarius Christi) has been used since Pope Gelasius I (served 492 - 496), alongside a few rarer 'vicarial' titles, as one of the titles of the Bishop of Rome —the Pope— as head of the Universal Church (see Papal primacy). A vicar is one who represents another and acts as a steward, administering the position held in lieu of the true sovereign. In the Catechism of the Catholic Church, in addition to the pope, each bishop is referred to as the "Christ's Vicar"(§1560) to their diocese, and the conscience is called "the aboriginal Vicar of Christ."(§1778) Source Wiki Vicar Vic"ar (v[i^]k"[~e]r), n. [OE. vicar, viker, vicair, F. vicaire, fr. L. vicarius. See Vicarious.] 1. One deputed or authorized to perform the functions of another; a substitute in office; a deputy. [R.] [1913 Webster] Anti An"ti [Gr. 'anti` against. See Ante.] A prefix meaning against, opposite or opposed to, contrary, or in place of; -- used in composition in many English words. It is often shortened to ant-; as, antacid, antarctic. [1913 Webster] 2 PETER 1:20 "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." REVELATION 17:4 "And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet color, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full and abominations of filthiness of her fornication." __________________________________________________ ____________________ I'd have to say, I do not know of any one quote that can prove a conspiracy to establish a new world order. However, I think with study and reason one can clearly understand that the world order we are headed towards today is nothing new, and surely will be born of evil. "National Socialism will use it's own revolution for establishing a New World Order" -Adolf Hitler http://lessgov2007.blogspot.com/

24-05-2009, 01:56 PM	#105
kasalt Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,017 Likes: 45 (30 Posts)	, Chief architect of European Unity, 30 April 1952: “Europe's nations should be guided towards the superstate without their people understanding what is happening. This can be accomplished by successive steps, each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will irreversibly lead to federation.” Gideon Rachman, Financial Times, December 8 2008: “So, it seems, everything is in place. For the first time since homo sapiens began to doodle on cave walls, there is an argument, an opportunity and a means to make serious steps towards a world government.” David Icke: “For you to believe that there is no major world conspiracy which involves a small number of people manipulating humanity through a hierarchical structure of control toward a New World Order, shows you have, in actual fact, not looked genuinely into the abundance of well-researched information on world conspiracy to see if there is one!” __________________

26-06-2009, 02:33 PM	#115
kasalt Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,017 Likes: 45 (30 Posts)	The date given is not the date of Prince Philip's quote, it is the publication date of the source text quoting Prince Philip. You bring up a good point though, namely that there are far too many alleged quotes floating around on the internet with insufficient referencing of sources--or even no attempt to cite sources at all. I always make my best effort to cite sources for quotes, and the only time I go with a quote for which I cannot find adequate sourcing is when I've been personally convinced that it is valid. I don't think I've been wrong once yet. Last edited by kasalt; 26-06-2009 at 02:39 PM.

12-05-2009, 10:58 PM	#102
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26-06-2009, 11:18 AM	#106
jkdt0077 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 238 Likes: 0 (0 Posts)	Where do these quotes come from? I tried researching the Prince Philip quote: If I were reincarnated, I would wish to be returned to Earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels. I was trying to find out where and when he said this but when you search in Google all that comes up is 10 million sites like this with the quote simply bandied around, but with no source. I was just wondering if anybody has the full message this quote was part of, to get some kind of context etc..

26-06-2009, 02:14 PM	#111
kasalt Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,017 Likes: 45 (30 Posts)	Would you accept this as a valid source? http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandsty...-prince-philip