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Old 10-05-2017, 09:05 PM   #521
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15 incarcerations and one conditional discharge
My apologies, this should actually read "16 men charged"

I am not so much interested in the legal aspects whatsoever of this above case, (Those aspects are expertly covered on many websites) ; but rather the connections from 10 Downing Street and Bryn Alyn Community which is semi-covertly raising it's head above the water in this matter, by the inaction of 10 Downing Street and the Home Office (in the child abuse and the corruption), and alternatively the address of the respondent being targeted instead, as a matter of possible protectionism of those carrying out any unlawful activities.
Naturally, the 640+ raids carried out apparently, (so we are told) for snuff and underage movies, which in essence seemingly failed, despite 82 potential defendants, 60+ suicides, and 16 chargees broadly involved with self abuse,(prior to the trial considered to be lawful at the time) does seem extremely questionable.
Had the 16 men charged been used as an "add-on" in 1987 because the whole operation from 1983 to 1986 had been a failure? What had happened to the other 66 potential defendants. Do those come under the suicide statistics of the case?
Was the Bryn Alyn connection too important for Downing Street to intervene?
Had the two planes at Shoreham Airfield played a much larger role?
Could it be that John Allen was more than just a tenant and customer of Van Hogestraten?
Is that who owned the planes too? After all they both had contingent business interests in both Brighton and Amsterdam, for starters. A lot of odd coincidences,- too many in my humble opinion.

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Old 13-05-2017, 10:58 AM   #522
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Why had a corrupt senior officer of Manchester Children's Services been allowed to operate for many years as a pimp for John Allen's child prostitution racket?
Why was the officer never questioned or charged after being reported to Downing Street in 1985 for threatening the author of a report on Bryn Alyn in 1983? (Ref: Lost in Care 21.115 / Letter to 10 Downing Street (Reply 4th june 1985)
Why was he never sacked by Manchester Social Services?
Why were he and John Allen given full backing for taking no action on child abuse reported at Bryn Alyn in 1983.
Why had no action been taken over the report which stated there had been no mandatory records available or taken at Blackley House, Bryn
Alyn including fire, health, medications, or general day notes.
Why had there been no follow up interventions of any of the many
Social Services Departments involved, particularly since the report recommended a full investigation, and full monitoring of all Bryn Alyn operations in/from 1983 onwards? (Ref: Lost in Care 21.114)
Why had John Allen been so important to number 10?
Why had there been no request to interview or speak with the author of the report, since he had further information to offer ? (Ref: Lost in Care 21.113)
Were the various Social Services departments still unaware of the abuse after 10 Downing Street and the Home Office had been informed in 1985? (Ref: Lost in Care 21.115)
If the matter had been passed to the Welsh Office, why had no actions been undertaken, save for a few visits to John Allen?

Why had it taken until Operation Pallial in 2014 (31 years later) before anybody had spoken to the author about matters in the report of 1983, particularly since it had been reported to 10 Downing Street in 1985?.

Why had a member of John Allen's security been trespassing and was almost caught eavesdropping at the report author's secluded house in the middle of the night in December 1983?

Did John Allen wrongly suspect he had been set up, and worried because there was more at stake than just child abuse and child prostitution? (The mature student involved in making the report in October 1983 had only been on site for a total of 24 hours, but listed numerous cases of physical abuse, general malpractice in many circumstances, including preventing children from going home at the weekend, and false accounting/making a false statement to police by John Allen personally).(Ref: Lost in Care 21.113).

Is that why visitors to the whistleblower's house had been raided by the police under Operation Spanner, from 1983/87, in their quest to perhaps find a connection to John Allen, or any of Allen's possibly missing snuff or extreme movies?

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Old 14-05-2017, 09:47 PM   #524
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Channel 4
Tue, 20 Nov 2012 07:58 UT

"In a report by Channel 4 on the initial investigation into north Wales child abuse in 1991 to the Waterhouse inquiry in 2000, Sian Griffiths, North Wales council worker, has collated details of every allegation and document surrounding the scandal. In her testimony, she reveals evidence of judges silencing victims when they mentioned "high profile" names and court orders to destroy photographic and other evidence implicating 'high level' abusers."

I can't embed this Channel Four video.

Notes on a Scandal

https://www.channel4.com/news/child-...sian-griffiths

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Found this on Youtube (same video) uploaded by a French subscriber.

There used to be many copies of this interview on Youtube by British subscribers, now only Channel Four.


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Old 14-05-2017, 11:08 PM   #525
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Senior judge found dead in freezing village stream
By Daily Mail Reporter
Updated: 11:07, 3 February 2009

A senior judge has been found dead in the freezing waters of a village stream.

The body of Judge William Everard, 59, was discovered in Fakenham in Norfolk, near the holiday home he owned with his wife.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4h66UXKal

He became a district judge in 2004 after previously being a leading criminal barrister and Queen's Counsel who headed the KCH chambers in Nottingham.

As a barrister, he specialised in crime and was at the forefront of prosecuting child sex offences.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4h66gWClJ
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Old 22-05-2017, 09:04 PM   #526
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Channel 4
Tue, 20 Nov 2012 07:58 UT

"In a report by Channel 4 on the initial investigation into north Wales child abuse in 1991 to the Waterhouse inquiry in 2000, Sian Griffiths, North Wales council worker, has collated details of every allegation and document surrounding the scandal. In her testimony, she reveals evidence of judges silencing victims when they mentioned "high profile" names and court orders to destroy photographic and other evidence implicating 'high level' abusers."

I can't embed this Channel Four video.

Notes on a Scandal

https://www.channel4.com/news/child-...sian-griffiths

Edit:

Found this on Youtube (same video) uploaded by a French subscriber.

There used to be many copies of this interview on Youtube by British subscribers, now only Channel Four.

Intentional destruction of pertinent evidence likely to be requested by victims is unlawful.
Who made the court orders I wonder? - naturally, vicarious liability would also come into focus here.

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Old 22-05-2017, 09:20 PM   #527
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Not new information, but let's keep this thread alive.

Cyril Smith was Knighted and also a Freemason.

Bro. Cyril Smith of The Mercurius Masonic Lodge, No. 7507 in Cheltenham which also has members of GCHQ (Government Communications Headquarters) aka spies.

Published on Sep 12, 2013

"During his lifetime Cyril Smith was one of the UK's best-known politicians. But a new investigation shows that security services held on to a file with evidence of the Liberal MP's child abuse."

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Old 22-05-2017, 09:23 PM   #528
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Senior judge found dead in freezing village stream
By Daily Mail Reporter
Updated: 11:07, 3 February 2009

A senior judge has been found dead in the freezing waters of a village stream.

The body of Judge William Everard, 59, was discovered in Fakenham in Norfolk, near the holiday home he owned with his wife.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4h66UXKal

He became a district judge in 2004 after previously being a leading criminal barrister and Queen's Counsel who headed the KCH chambers in Nottingham.

As a barrister, he specialised in crime and was at the forefront of prosecuting child sex offences.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4h66gWClJ

This is interesting as it seemingly links to Judge Everard presiding in a case over VIP paedophiles.
A judge would be good at judging how much he drinks/
Two pints and a glass of wine does not render a man totally incapable - certainly not from a profession where it is common to drink at lunchtimes, not in my opinion, anyway.
It would appear that he came into difficulties when having to negotiate a stream, slipping, but not injuring himself and passing into unconsciousness before hitting the water.
If this happened within 100 to 200 metres (more if used to drink) or so of the pub, it is entirely consistent with having a sleeping tablet ( or similar drug) mixed into the final drink. As in this type of scenario, a loss of balance can trigger immediate unconsciousness causing the person to slump to the ground instead of a normal fall, thus avoiding injury when hitting the ground. In that scenario, the inabilty to balance would have been noticeable to him before having to walk on stones to cross the river, where balance would have to be perfect.
It happened to me once.
Presumably the coroner would have said if a heart attack was the case, but cause of death was given as drowning.

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Old 22-05-2017, 09:55 PM   #529
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This is interesting as it seemingly links to Judge Everard presiding in a case over VIP paedophiles.
A judge would be good at judging how much he drinks/
Two pints and a glass of wine does not render a man totally incapable - certainly not from a profession where it is common to drink at lunchtimes, not in my opinion, anyway.
It would appear that he came into difficulties when having to negotiate a stream, slipping, but not injuring himself and passing into unconsciousness before hitting the water.
If this happened within 100 to 200 metres (more if used to drink) or so of the pub, it is entirely consistent with having a sleeping tablet ( or similar drug) mixed into the final drink. As in this type of scenario, a loss of balance can trigger immediate unconsciousness causing the person to slump to the ground instead of a normal fall, thus avoiding injury when hitting the ground. In that scenario, the inabilty to balance would have been noticeable to him before having to walk on stones to cross the river, where balance would have to be perfect.
It happened to me once.
Presumably the coroner would have said if a heart attack was the case, but cause of death was given as drowning.
There is an old DIF thread relating to the death of the Judge in 2009. See below.

A woman named Kathy Everard tweeted her cousin (the judge) had been murdered. Needleblog ran the story too, but some folk say she's (conveniently) crazy.



https://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=52410

https://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/...-was-murdered/

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