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Old 12-09-2015, 03:04 PM   #41
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Corbyn is a politician for the Internet generation. the Internet is why he is popular.

in marginals he could get the UKIP vote if he remains skeptical about EU membership (if that even applies after the referendum).

ex-liberals and greens will either vote for him outright or be willing to vote tactically for labour simply to remove the Tories.

I don't know who wouldn't vote for Corbyn if the alternative was another Tory government. the fact he could take some of the UKIP vote is key here.
You see, the msm's position on UKIP's 4 million votes is that it was simply anti establishment votes, that someone like Corbyn can win them back, it will be interesting to see, the UKIP vote was all about immigration in my view, nothing else. I don't think those people will be won over by a pro immigration candidate just because he don't really like the EU, not sure he's a full blown dissenter anyway.

Could be very wrong of course.
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You see, the msm's position on UKIP's 4 million votes is that it was simply anti establishment votes, that someone like Corbyn can win them back, it will be interesting to see, the UKIP vote was all about immigration in my view, nothing else. I don't think those people will be won over by a pro immigration candidate just because he don't really like the EU, not sure he's a full blown dissenter anyway.

Could be very wrong of course.
he's weak on those areas

He's told everyone what they want to hear

Now lets see if he can deliever on it

However...can you think of a time when anyone ever has delivered on their promises?
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Old 12-09-2015, 03:07 PM   #43
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is he though?

He's not being nearly convincing enough on that score for my liking
he doesn't need to have any well defined stance. there will be a referendum on the EU before the next election.

if we are out then it's a non-issue.

if we are still in with "associate membership" or such then he will likely be skeptical of the deal brokered by the Tories.
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A serious and genuine question amongst all this optimism, do any of you see him taking the vital middle England marginal seats?
If he grows his beard long he could coax out the smials
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Old 12-09-2015, 03:12 PM   #46
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You see, the msm's position on UKIP's 4 million votes is that it was simply anti establishment votes, that someone like Corbyn can win them back, it will be interesting to see, the UKIP vote was all about immigration in my view, nothing else. I don't think those people will be won over by a pro immigration candidate just because he don't really like the EU, not sure he's a full blown dissenter anyway.

Could be very wrong of course.
Corbyn's popularity is anti-establishment.

he is against the military, the monarchy, and the banks.

the question is whether he can keep this up and push further. challenge the monarchy on its links to high profile paedophiles.

any sign of compromise with the establishment and the popular enthusiasm will drain.
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If he grows his beard long he could coax out the smials
That's probably a good'n, unfortunately, I do not possess the intellect for it
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Old 12-09-2015, 03:14 PM   #48
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Corbyn's popularity is anti-establishment.

he is against the military, the monarchy, and the banks.

the question is whether he can keep this up and push further. challenge the monarchy on its links to high profile paedophiles.

any sign of compromise with the establishment and the popular enthusiasm will drain.
Yes agree, to a point, but what I'm wondering is how much of the UKIP vote was about that, rather than immigration.
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Yes agree, to a point, but what I'm wondering is how much of the UKIP vote was about that, rather than immigration.
the two are linked. the establishment is the cause of the immigration.

Corbyn doesn't need an immigration policy in the same way that he doesn't need an EU policy. after the referendum, if we are out of the EU, there is no more EU immigration.

if there is a new associate membership there may be new immigration controls included in the package that will be enough for UKIP supporters.

the EU has nothing to do with our acceptance of refugees. UK's position toward refugees abides by the 1951 Geneva convention. this is international law not EU law, so UKIP supporters are not going to stay with Farage if he keeps on blaming the EU for what is actually international law.
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the two are linked. the establishment is the cause of the immigration.

Corbyn doesn't need an immigration policy in the same way that he doesn't need an EU policy. after the referendum, if we are out of the EU, there is no more EU immigration.

if there is a new associate membership there may be new immigration controls included in the package that will be enough for UKIP supporters.

the EU has nothing to do with our acceptance of refugees. UK's position toward refugees abides by the 1951 Geneva convention. this is international law not EU law, so UKIP supporters are not going to stay with Farage if he keeps on blaming the EU for what is actually international law.
Maybe, but they certainly wont be enamoured with Corbyn if he wants out of the EU only to hold the door ajar to half of Africa and the ME, whatever the legalities of it all.
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Corbyn's popularity is anti-establishment.

he is against the military, the monarchy, and the banks.

the question is whether he can keep this up and push further. challenge the monarchy on its links to high profile paedophiles.

any sign of compromise with the establishment and the popular enthusiasm will drain.
True - but its up to the people to get behind him and keep up the momentum. Its a real chance for people power. Congratulations to Mr Corbyn.

And Tom Watson - amazing! That should put a cat among the pigeons! Looking like a real opposition.
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Wow this is very interesting.

I don't think I've ever seen a Western leader in my lifetime, who is on the right page with so many issues.

Even if this is some kind of deception, this has to be a positive, because at least his views will be in the public consciousness.

When is the next UK election ? Didn't you guys just have one ?
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Old 12-09-2015, 04:34 PM   #53
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Wow this is very interesting.

I don't think I've ever seen a Western leader in my lifetime, who is on the right page with so many issues.

Even if this is some kind of deception, this has to be a positive, because at least his views will be in the public consciousness.

When is the next UK election ? Didn't you guys just have one ?
Yes, 2020 now for the next one! Shaky government though as the majority is not a lot, with big topics such as Euro Referendum on the horizon.

Things looking interesting indeed!
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Old 12-09-2015, 05:10 PM   #54
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Who is Tom Watson - apart from the new deputy Labour leader that is? Is he genuine?
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very excited by today, if all we get from this is hope then that will do as far as im concerned, because even that had gone for me. n the idea that the cons are in this position of complete control is bullshit they have a majority of 12, that majority will be less in 5years cos the lie of the economy cant be sustained for ever. roll on the revolution its closer than before so rejoice.
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Old 12-09-2015, 06:36 PM   #57
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Wow this is very interesting.

I don't think I've ever seen a Western leader in my lifetime, who is on the right page with so many issues.

Even if this is some kind of deception, this has to be a positive, because at least his views will be in the public consciousness.

When is the next UK election ? Didn't you guys just have one ?
I feel the same. I was born while Thatcher was still in power, all i've really experienced is Thatcher, Major and Blair in UK politics -- 3 shades of the same toilet tissue.

I think it's great to see people everywhere talking about these issues Corbyn has raised during the election campaigning/debates.

The next election is in May of 2020.

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Who is Tom Watson - apart from the new deputy Labour leader that is? Is he genuine?
I don't know much about Watson's political sense or history, but i do know -- he is mainly responsible for kickstarting Operation Fairbank into paedophile rings within Westminster. He blew the lid basically, so that authorities took it seriously.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6sTCIJLEKI
http://www.exaronews.com/articles/51...-linked-to-mps

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Watson alleged in Parliament that a network run by Peter Righton, the notorious paedophile, reached into the top levels of British politics. The MP raised the issue in prime minister’s questions soon after the exposure of Jimmy Savile, the late BBC star, as a paedophile.

The comments led the Metropolitan Police Service to launch ‘Operation Fairbank’, a scoping exercise that in turn sparked two criminal investigations. These cover a wide range of historical allegations against politicians, VIPs and others.
Power to that guy!

EDIT; I guess that's two victories today, seeing both Corbyn and Watson elected as party leaders. They both appear to be people with moral standards and a heart. Something rare amongst politicians.

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