The British World Order

[iamawaveofthesea]

Originally Posted by vancity eagle

Edom literally means "ruddy skin" if you look at the Hebrew definition.

Yes there was a nation in the Middle East known as Edom, but the patriarch of the entire Edomite tribe is much older than the establishment of either Edom or the Hellenic nations. They didn't all stay in one place but branched out in to many other places.

I have never heard of any "kings of Edom" being a qabbalistic term, quite frankly I see no relevance to the documentation in the Bible and the Apocrypha(which was removed from Protestant bibles) that Alexander descended from Edomites.

It would make more sense why the Herodian Edomites were allied with Rome if they were actually blood relatives going back generations.

It would also make sense why you today have an alliance between "Jews" and the current day Roman Empire.

Apparently the Herodians also used the symbol of the eagle, which was also the symbol of Rome and America today.

no the link is that there is a secret society of qabalistic magicians that runs right from egypt through israel to rome and on to britain and then to america

as the magician eliphas levi tells us the book of moses was the TAROT or qabalah and the biblical story is giving a nod to egypt as the source of it

The hyksos were an aggressive tribe who conquered and occupied half of egypt. They set up a puppet leader in egypt and to insult the egyptians they took their devil god SET as their primary deity

Eventually the egyptians revolted and threw them out. Their exodus is likely the story in the bible except in that they portray themselves as the victim

The hyksos then went on to become one of the tribes that made up the confederation of tribes known as the 'israelites'

But the hyksos took with them the esoteric knowledge they had taken and probably extorted or tortured from the egyptian priesthood

[iamawaveofthesea]

The kings of Edom

during the early times, were determined by appointment instead of hereditary. A few verses in the first Chronicles state that a king and several chieftains ruled the land of Edom. In the book of Genesis, Edom was first occupied and ruled by Esau, the elder son of Isaac. After his rule, many other kings followed his reign even before Israel had any kings. The kings of Edom first are show on the Biblical Timeline starting in 1400 BC

The King of Edom refused the Israelites to pass Edom and to enter the land of Canaan. This event was mentioned in Numbers, and the Israelites made a detour around Edom because of the king’s show of power and force. God commanded the children of Israel to reach Canaan without waging war against the Edomites. This act of the Israelites did not cause the king of Edom to attack the people; however, he was prepared for any signs of aggression.
The Kingdom of Edom

Bozrah was the capital of Edom, and the early inhabitants of the land were the Horites. This group of people were forced to leave by the Edomites tribe. In the second Chronicles, the Edomites were often at war with the king of Judah and Israel. It is also interesting to note that the Israelites and Edomites were related in terms of language and ancestry.
The Edomites acquired their livelihood from caravan trades in Mesopotamia, Egypt, Levant, and southern Arabia. The kingdom of Edom was among the many states where trade was the main source of income because of the country’s lack of fertile land. The Edomites participated in trades in far locations such as India, and they departed from the Ezion-Geber port.
The economy of Edom flourished because of trades, although there was a strip of land suitable for farming. The Edomites exported various products from the Dead Sea region. These products include balsam and salt, which were used for temple incense and perfume.
What Part of the Bible Mentions the Kings of Edom

1 Chronicles 1:43-54. The kings of Edom were enumerated, and these rulers led the kingdom one after the other, even before there were kings in the land of Israel. –
Amos 2:1. The Lord has shown his mighty power to defeat the kings of Edom. –
Genesis 36:43-50. Esau was mentioned as the father of the Edomites. –
2 Kings 3:7-9. The king of Israel joined the king of Judah, and they completed a seven days’ journey with no water for their army. –
Numbers 20:14-16. Moses sent messengers from Kadesh to meet the king of Edom. –
Judges 11:16-18. The Israelites sent messengers to the ruler of Edom, and pleaded for entrance to the land. –
2 Samuel 8:14. King David conquered the kingdom of Edom. –
Jeremiah 27:3-6. The Edomites were defeated and conquered by the Babylonians, under the rule of King Nebuchadnezzar. –
2 Chronicles 25:11-12. Amaziah conquered Edom. –
Genesis 25:25. The Edomites tribe were the descendants of Esau, and the people lived in the mountain fortresses of the land.

References:

http://www.bible.ca/archeology/bible...ry-mt-seir.htm

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...54&version=GNT

http://www.livius.org/ea-eh/edom/edom.html http://www.keyway.ca/htm2003/20031009.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edom

http://biblebrowser.com/numbers/20-21.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rulers_of_Edom

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/.../Edomites.html

https://amazingbibletimeline.com/blo...kings-of-edom/

[iamawaveofthesea]

kings of edom a qabalistic term...the bible is speaking metaphorically and not about europeans!

174:1 This brings in the subject of the worlds of unbalanced force which are said by the Zohar to have been created and destroyed prior to the creation of the present world. These worlds of unbalanced force are typified by the Edomite kings. (See, introduction.)

174:2 As the Sephiroth proceed each from the preceding one in the series, it is evident that before the counterbalancing Sephira is formed. the force in the preceding Sephira is unbalanced; e.g., the fourth Sephira is Gedulah or Chesed, Mercy, and the fifth Sephira is Geburah or Pachad, Sternness; therefore, till Geburah appears, Gedulah is unbalanced, and this condition is the reign of one of the Edomite kings: but when Geburah appears, his reign is over.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/tku/tku34.htm

[vancity eagle]

Originally Posted by iamawaveofthesea

kings of edom a qabalistic term...the bible is speaking metaphorically and not about europeans!

174:1 This brings in the subject of the worlds of unbalanced force which are said by the Zohar to have been created and destroyed prior to the creation of the present world. These worlds of unbalanced force are typified by the Edomite kings. (See, introduction.)

174:2 As the Sephiroth proceed each from the preceding one in the series, it is evident that before the counterbalancing Sephira is formed. the force in the preceding Sephira is unbalanced; e.g., the fourth Sephira is Gedulah or Chesed, Mercy, and the fifth Sephira is Geburah or Pachad, Sternness; therefore, till Geburah appears, Gedulah is unbalanced, and this condition is the reign of one of the Edomite kings: but when Geburah appears, his reign is over.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/tku/tku34.htm

The Qabbala has NOTHING to do with the Bible.

The Qabbala is esoteric work of the mystery religions disguised as "Jewish"

I don't give a fuck what the Qabbala says or claims.

The bible traces many lineages and tribes, and it traces Alexander the Great to Edom.

You don't have to believe it, but I find it fascinating that Edom literally means "ruddy skin"

[iamawaveofthesea]

Originally Posted by vancity eagle

The Qabbala has NOTHING to do with the Bible.

The Qabbala is esoteric work of the mystery religions disguised as "Jewish"

I don't give a fuck what the Qabbala says or claims.

The bible traces many lineages and tribes, and it traces Alexander the Great to Edom.

You don't have to believe it, but I find it fascinating that Edom literally means "ruddy skin"

the bible IS qabalistic

EDOM was a kingdom in the levant not in europe

[mannybash]

Although it seems grandiose and far reaching a large empire has it's own problems. You would think that people would see this but they seem to be blinded by power and fear of enemies. In economics economies if scale

[snowleopard]

Originally Posted by iamawaveofthesea

i agree with much of what you are both saying here but you are missing a key piece of information

it did not start with the protestant reformation

The jews were already married in with the normans who invaded britain in 1066

the first crusade was in 1095 just a short time after britain was conquered and occupied

the jewish bloodlines wanted to return to jerusalem after they had been driven out by the approaching roman army in 70AD

The jewish bloodlines intermarried with norman and frankish aristocracy but they maintained their qabalistic initiatory rituals and degrees system which they later formed into freemasonry

This enabled them to maintain a cohesive network that then intermarried with itself to keep the network tight

over centuries they helped each other out in trade, banking and through marriages and promotions and became the royal households

For example in my country scotland they threw the last celtic king off a cliff and poisoned the next in line so that they could put their guy robert the bruce on the throne

Its those bloodlines that have been behind what you call the 'british empire' but which more correctly could be called the 'freemasonic empire'. they are 'the hidden hand' that so many people can't seem to see

So you agree that the British Empire is behind the world's problems but you think that it is controlled by Jews?

I'm not sure about that anymore.

The British Empire continued what the Roman Empire did and the Romans were not Jews.

[iamawaveofthesea]

Originally Posted by snowleopard

So you agree that the British Empire is behind the world's problems but you think that it is controlled by Jews?

no i think that there is a network of bloodlines that live in many different countries and they work together

they don't care about countries. Their empire was always bigger then britain. They do however employ people from countries they have subjugated to fight their wars for them and at different times they have used indian sepoys, anglo-saxons, celts, gurkhas, fijians, africans who often took work in their armies after their own economies had been devestated

Originally Posted by snowleopard

I'm not sure about that anymore.

The British Empire continued what the Roman Empire did and the Romans were not Jews.

Like i said the network of bloodlines is pan european which is why the royal households are all intermarried. Those bloodlines were able to become powerful enough to decide popes and cardinals. they also created the jesuits

They are qabalistic magicians with origins in babylon and the levant. They have largely sculpted and controlled the abrahamic religions over the centuries

most jews will follow an outer exoteric religion, the same as most christians and muslims will but there is an inner esoteric qabalistic religion followed by the magi who manipulate all these religions

The british empire was controlled by freemasons who are qabalists who want to rebuild solomons temple which is why they created the state of israel. They are jewish templar bloodlines that have been in europe for centuries.

When the pope persecuted the templars he was killed shortly after by their network as was the french king. Different factions have fought for centuries over control of the vatican each seeking to get their pope on the throne

[iamawaveofthesea]

here's what your own post says:

'' Jews use whatever tools they can - phony allegations of "racism" or pleas for "democracy", for instance - to win stupid, thoughtless non-Jews to their cause, but all celebrated communist, socialist, "democratic" and/or anti-racist groups in the world are Jewish run and Jewish financed. The sooner white people and black people in South Africa realize that Britain and her Jews are the main culprits behind the chaos South Africa finds herself in presently- the quicker they again can unite against a common enemy.''

'britain and her jews''

well what i'm saying to you is that 'britains jews' are the templar bloodlines that came into britain 1000 years ago

Its them that were intermarried with the normans that invaded in 1066 and its them that created the city of london and tax system known as the exchequer. This is why the british royal family are freemasons who revere the magician king SOLOMON.

[iamawaveofthesea]

In the piece below by henry makow he says that jewish financiers married into the british aristocracy and cites the example of hannah rothschild marrying lord rosebery but once again the piece of the puzzle he is missing which it seems everyone i talk to is missing is that those old landed aristocracy are the old jewish TEMPLAR families which is why they married the jewish financiers

The name 'rosebery' is a composite word made of 'rose' and 'bery'. Rose is from the templar ROSE CROSS which is also what gives the word rosicrucian

Those templar families were descended from jews who fled the destruction of the temple in 70AD and who were intermarried with the norman bloodlines that conquered britain in 1066. The norman king then created FUEDALISM and parcelled out the land to his followers

There is no british aristocracy marrying jews there is jewish templar aristocracy marrying jews!

England's Jewish Aristocracy
June 6, 2009

The "Jewish Conspiracy" is the British Empire
by Henry Makow Ph.D.

Did you know that Simon Cowell, the acerbic judge on American Idol, is half-Jewish?

British Jews keep a low profile but they are extremely influential. Similarly, it is hardly known that the British aristocracy largely is half-Jewish too, and that, in the words of L.G. Pine, Editor of Burke's Peerage, "the Jews have made themselves so closely connected with the British peerage that the two classes are unlikely to suffer loss which is not mutual." (219)

This is confirmed by British social critic Hilaire Belloc who described the British Empire as a partnership between Jewish finance and the British aristocracy.

"After Waterloo [1815] London became the money market and the clearing house of the world. The interests of the Jew as a financial dealer and the interests of this great commercial polity approximated more and more. One may say that by the last third of the nineteenth century, they had become virtually identical." ("The Jews" 1922)

In the next few articles, I am going to explore the thesis that the British Empire was a Masonic proxy, and that British & American imperialism derived its moxie from the perverse desire of Cabalist bankers to own and control everything. The Illuminati bankers (i.e. the "Crown") colonized England & the US as well as the world. The "Jewish Conspiracy" was the British Empire now repackaged as the New World Order. Of course, now it encompasses everyone with a stake in "globalism."

Before I commence this heavy lifting, it being the weekend, I want to regale you with Pine's amusing account of "Jewish infiltration into the aristocracy." ( "The Anglo Jewish Peerage" in "Tales of the British Aristocracy" 1956, pp.217-223.)

Pine is outspoken in a way few people are today. He says that for every Rothschild or Disraeli, there were "10 cases of Jewish connection which are now forgotten. The reason is that in many cases "Jewish origin is concealed." (218)

The marriage of Jewish finance and British aristocracy took place literally. Spendthrift gentry married the daughters of rich Jews.

Pine is scornful of the British aristocracy: "A man is not usually thought the more of, because he has married a woman for her money...An ancient estate is likely to be sold unless some large sums are found. The sums are found from marriage with a Jewish heiress..."

An outstanding example is the marriage of the 5th Earl of Roseberry who married the only daughter and heiress of Baron Mayer de Rothschild and later became Prime Minister. "She stayed in the Jewish religion but her children were educated as Christians...The alliances between Jewish ladies and British lords are mostly of this type, the wife providing large sums...while the aristocrat has the title and ancient estate. The children are able to look back upon a varied bag of ancestors."

Pine obviously does not approve of these parvenus: "There can be no question that the British Peerage is now very much diluted with Jewish blood and has many connections among its most ancient and august families with those who only a few generations ago were inhabitants of the Ghetto."

But he opines that England's enfeebled elite may need this protection from the "forces of revolution":

"The power of money is very great and as almost every liberal newspaper is under Jewish influence it follows that the forces of revolution when directed against the peers are likely to meet with as determined an opposition from the Jewish kinfolk of the aristocracy..."

L.G. Pine needn't worry about the "forces of revolution" since they were created by Jewish finance to concentrate power and wealth in their own hands. This will find its apogee in the New World Order.

CONCLUSION

The "Jewish Conspiracy" may indeed be the British Empire, and the "Jews" may in fact be the Masonic British aristocracy who regard themselves as Jews, and often are. They consider themselves one of the lost tribes of Israel, the real "Chosen People." The word "Brit" apparently derives from the Hebrew for "pact" or "covenant" ( i.e. the Jewish Covenant with God.) Members of the British royal family are circumcised by a Jewish mohel.

All I can say is, the Tribe is not what I thought!
https://www.savethemales.ca/englands...istocracy.html

[iamawaveofthesea]

Ancient History of the Black Nobility
by Truth Control on June 22nd, 2009

In Carthage, the Canaanites called themselves Punics. Rome attacked Carthage in full force, beginning in 264BC and completed their task after killing or enslaving every Carthaginian, by sowing the land to salt so that nothing could ever grow there again. The Edomites descended from Esau later intermarried with the Turks to produce a Turco-Edomite mixture which later became known as Chazars (Khazars) - who are the present occupants of Israel. These Canaanites eventually adopted the name "Sepharvaim" for deceptive purposes. They later became known as Venetians, and by marrying into European royalty and aristocracy, the "black nobility." The Venetians today control the Federal Reserve system in the US.

Around AD1400, European power centers coalesced into two camps: the Ghibellines, who supported the Emperors Hohenstaufen family, and the Guelphs, from Welf, the German prince who competed with Frederick for control of the Holy Roman Empire. The Pope allied himself with the Guelphs. All modern history stems directly from the struggle between these two powers. The Guelphs are also called the Neri, Black Guelphs, or Black Nobility, and supported William of Orange in his seizure of the throne of England, which eventually resulted in the formation of the Bank of England and the East India Company, which would rule the world from the 17th century. All coup d’etats, revolutions and wars in the 19th and 20th centuries are centered in the battle of the Guelphs to hold and enhance their power, which is now the New World Order.

The power of the Guelphs would extend through the Italian financial centers to the north of France in Lombardy (all Italian bankers were referred to as "Lombards"). Lombard in German means "deposit bank", and the Lombards were bankers to the entire Medieval world. They would later transfer operations north to Hamburg, then to Amsterdam and finally to London. The Guelphs would start the slave trade to the colonies. The Guelphs, in order to aid their control of finance and politics, would perpetuate gnostic cults which eventually developed into the Rosicrucians, Unitarians, Fabian Society and the World Council of Churches. The East India company, together with John Stuart Mill, would finance the University of London. A friend of Mill, historian George Grote, a founder of London University donated £6000 for the study of "mental health", which began the worldwide "mental health" movement.

Banks large and small in the thousands are in the Committee of 300 network, including:

Banca Commerciale d’Italia
Banca Privata
Banco Ambrosiano
The Netherlands Bank
Barclays Bank
Banco de Colombia
Banco de Ibero-America

Of special interest is Banca del la Svizzeria Italiana (BSI) - since it handles flight capital investments to and from the United States - primarily in dollars and US bonds - located and isolated in "neutral" Lugano, the flight capital center for the Venetian Black Nobility. Lugano is not in Italy or in Switzerland, and is a kind of twilight zone for shady flight capital operations. George Ball, who owns a large block of stock in BSI, is a prominent "insider" and the bank’s US representative.

In the secret 1822 Treaty of Verona (between Austria, France, Prussia and Russia) the Jesuits agreed to smash the US Constitution and suppress the freedom of the US. Their methods included destroying free speech, destroying and suppressing the press, universal censorship, sustaining the cooperation of the Pope and clergy to use religion to help keep nations in passive obedience and financing wars against countries with representative governments. The monarchs who signed this treaty were ultimately deposed. Most of these families are very wealthy and may be more powerful today than when they sat upon thrones. They are known collectively as the Black Nobility. Privately these families refuse to recognize any right to rule except their own. The fact that this treaty was made long ago does not mean it is void. The treaty was placed in the Congressional Record on April 25, 1916 by Senator Owen.

In 1948 George H.W. Bush graduated from Yale University and the Skull and Bones. He is a distant cousin of the Queen of England, part of the Black Nobility which traces its power back 5,000 years.

Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands created a group that became known as the Bilderbergers. Many "conservative" researchers have come to recognize the Bilderbergers as an important force for the "New World Order."

(Note: Since the Bildebergers, according to former British Intelligence agent John Coleman, serve as a BINDING force between the three major 'one world government' forces - the Wicca-Masons (i.e. Communism); the Black Nobility descendants of the early Roman emperors; and the Maltese Jesuits. . . each of which have 13 respective representatives on the 39-member Bildeberger board - and since a Nazi SS stormtrooper was responsible for developing this "New World Order" coordination council, and since Adolph Hitler’s second book was titled [believe it or not] "The New World Order." No wonder Adolph Hitler’s dream - and that of his predecessors the "Kaisers", a German translation of "Caesars" - was the revival of the Roman empire).

According to former British Intelligence agent Dr. John Coleman, the three world power groups: the Wicca-Masons (i.e. Communism), the Maltese-Jesuits and the Black-Nobility ('Black' in this context refers to their character, not their skin color) all work for and under the central Command of the Bavarian Illuminati which binds them together.

The Bavarians created the Bilderberg society for this purpose, the core of which is a council of 13 members from each of the three 'groups' or 39 in all. The old-line ruling families who believe that they have the right to rule the world because they are descended from the emperors of the ancient Roman and so-called 'holy' Roman Empires consist of 13-15 'blue blood' families. Which include: Rothschild; Kuhn; Loeb; Lehman; Rockefeller; Sach; Warburg; Lazard; Seaf; Goldman; Schiff; Morgan; Schroeder; Bush and Harriman . . . Others that have not been mentioned are more ’powerful’ than others. But these names will get you started if you wish to track down the present-day inner core of the conspiracy. The history of the Bilderberg group itself, a cover for the Bavarian Illuminati, and its Nazi connections, would probably be the best place to start.

Prominent on the board of two insurance giants are Committee of 300 members:

the Giustiniani family, Black Nobility of Rome and Venice who trace their lineage to the Emperor Justianian
Sir Jocelyn Hambro of Hambros (Merchant) Bank
Pierpaolo Luzzatti Fequiz, whose lineage dates back six centuries to the most ancient Luzzatos, the Black Nobility of Venice
Umberto Ortolani of the ancient Black Nobility family of the same name

Other old Venetian Black Nobility Committee of 300 members and board members of ASG and RAS are:

the Doria family, the financiers of the Spanish Hapsburgs
Elie de Rothschild of the French Rothschild family
Baron August von Finck (Finck, the second richest man in Germany now deceased)
Franco Orsini Bonacassi of the ancient Orsini Black Nobility that traces its lineage to an ancient Roman senator of the same name
the Alba family whose lineage dates back to the great Duke of Alba
Baron Pierre Lambert, a cousin of the Belgian Rothschild family

Italy was chosen as a test-target by the Committee of 300. Italy is important to the conspirators’ plans because it is the closest European country to the Middle East, and linked to Middle East economics and politics. It is also the home of the Catholic Church, which Weishaupt ordered destroyed, and home for some of Europe’s most powerful oligarchical families of the

ancient Black Nobility. Should Italy have been weakened by Aldo Moro’s death, it would have had repercussions in the Middle East which would have weakened US influence in the region. Italy is important for another reason; it is a gateway for drugs entering Europe from Iran and Lebanon.

Various groups combined under the name of socialism to bring about the downfall of several Italian governments since the Club of Rome was established in 1968. Among these are the Black Nobility of Venice and Genoa, P2 Masonry and the Red Brigades, all working for the same goals. Police investigators in Rome working on the Red Brigades-Aldo Moro case came across the names of several very prominent Italian families working closely with this terrorist group. The police also discovered evidence that in at least a dozen cases, these powerful and prominent families had allowed their homes and/or property to be used as safe houses for Red Brigades cells.

Peccei headed the Atlantic Institute's Economic Council for three decades while he was the Chief Executive Officer for Giovanni Agnellis' Fiat Motor Company. Agnelli, a member of an ancient Italian Black Nobility family of the same name, was one of the most important members of the Committee of 300. He played a leading role in development projects in the Soviet Union. The Club of Rome is a conspiratorial umbrella organization, a marriage between Anglo-American financiers and the old Black Nobility families of Europe, particularly the so-called "nobility" of London, Venice and Genoa. The key to the successful control of the world is their ability to create and manage savage economic recessions and eventual depressions. The Committee of 300 looks to social convulsions on a global scale, followed by depressions, as a softening-up technique for bigger things to come, as its principal method of creating masses of people all over the world who will become its "welfare" recipients of the future.

To introduce new cults and continue to boost those already functioning which includes rock "music" gangsters such as the filthy, degenerate Mick Jagger’s "Rolling Stones" (a gangster group much favored by European Black Nobility) and all of the Tavistock-created "rock" groups which began with "The Beatles." To continue to build up the cult of Christian fundamentalism begun by the British East India Company’s servant, Darby, which will be misused to strengthen the Zionist state of Israel through identifying with the Jews through the myth of "God’s Chosen People" and by donating very substantial amounts of money to what they mistakenly believe is a religious cause in the furtherance of Christianity.

Brzezinski was not writing as a private citizen but as Carter’s National Security Advisor and a leading member of the Club of Rome and a member of the Committee of 300, a member of the CFR and as a member of the old Polish Black Nobility. His book explains how America must leave its industrial base behind and enter into what he called "a distinct new historical era."

In this regard a French Black Nobility member, Etienne D'Avignon, as a member of the Committee of 300, was assigned the task of collapsing the steel industry in the US It is doubtful that any of the hundreds of thousands of steel workers and shipyard workers who have been without jobs for the past decade have ever heard of D'Avignon.

A second assassination bureau is located in Switzerland and was until recently run by a shadowy figure of whom no photographs existed after 1941. The operations were and probably still are financed by the Oltramaire family - Swiss Black Nobility, owners of the Lombard Odier Bank of Geneva, a Committee of 300 operation. The primary contact man was Jacques Soustelle - this according to US Army-G2 intelligence files. This group was also closely allied with Allen Dulles and Jean de Menil, an important member of the Committee of 300 and a very prominent name in the oil industry in Texas.

Army-G2 records show that the group was heavily involved in the arms trade in the Middle East, but more than that, the assassination bureau made no less than 30 attempts to kill General de Gaulle, in which Jacques Soustelle was directly involved. The same Soustelle was the contact man for the Sendero Luminoso-Shining Pathway guerilla group protecting the Committee’s Peruvian cocaine producers.

Richard Gardner was sent to Rome on a special assignment. Gardner married into one of the oldest Black Nobility families of Venice, thus providing the Venetian aristocracy a direct line to the White House. The late Averill Harriman was another of the committee’s direct links with the Kremlin and the White House, a position inherited by Kissinger after Harriman’s death.

In 1986 in "The Order of St. John of Jerusalem" Dr. Coleman wrote:

"It is therefore not a secret society, except where its purposes have been perverted in the inner councils like the Order of the Garter, which is a prostituted oligarchical creation of the British royal family, which makes a mockery of what the Sovereign Order of St. John of Jerusalem stands for. As an example, we find the atheist Lord Peter Carrington, who pretends to be an Anglican Christian but who is a member of the Order of Osiris and other demonic sects, including Freemasonry, installed as a Knight of the Garter at St. George’s Chapel, Windsor Castle, by Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II of England, of the Black Nobility Guelphs, also head of the Anglican Church, which she thoroughly despises."

$15.8 billion is one realistic estimate of the Queen’s worth - tax exempt - BOE.

"Only the little people pay taxes."
https://www.truthcontrol.com/article...black-nobility

[snowleopard]

Vancity Eagle and iamawaveofthesea, where are you getting most of your information from? Do you have any book suggestions?

I know you have opposite views but I'm interested in learning more about your beliefs about the NWO and who is truely behind it.

Vancity, why do you think the NWO = the new Roman Empire?

[snowleopard]

Originally Posted by iamawaveofthesea

here's what your own post says:

'' Jews use whatever tools they can - phony allegations of "racism" or pleas for "democracy", for instance - to win stupid, thoughtless non-Jews to their cause, but all celebrated communist, socialist, "democratic" and/or anti-racist groups in the world are Jewish run and Jewish financed. The sooner white people and black people in South Africa realize that Britain and her Jews are the main culprits behind the chaos South Africa finds herself in presently- the quicker they again can unite against a common enemy.''

'britain and her jews''

well what i'm saying to you is that 'britains jews' are the templar bloodlines that came into britain 1000 years ago

Its them that were intermarried with the normans that invaded in 1066 and its them that created the city of london and tax system known as the exchequer. This is why the british royal family are freemasons who revere the magician king SOLOMON.

The author of the article didn't necessarily mean that the British are Jews but that the British Empire uses Jews to get things done. Read the amazon.com comment I posted about the book Dope Inc. and the "Hofjudens" who work for the British Crown.

[iamawaveofthesea]

Originally Posted by snowleopard

Vancity Eagle and iamawaveofthesea, where are you getting most of your information from? Do you have any book suggestions?

I know you have opposite views but I'm interested in learning more about your beliefs about the NWO and who is truely behind it.

Vancity, why do you think the NWO = the new Roman Empire?

the roman empire is not a coehsive thing which is why some people stabbed julius caesar

he imposed his own dictatorship and was doing something with the currency that then was leading to economic problems

There are bloodline families that date back to the roman times some of which are probably qabalistic

for example when the eastern roman empire fell when constantinople was captured by the muslims there was an exodus of refugees who brought knowledge and manuscripts with them

there would also have been sects and cults among them

the medicis of florence who some accuse of being crypto-jews used their banking wealth to buy up many of the hermetic texts and that occultism then flooded through europe

jewish rabbis throughout europe were also transmitting the kabbalah among their followers

the knights templar were using ceremonial magic rituals to alter the consciousness of their members who themselves were bloodline families

yes the pope who was a puppet of the french king did not protect the templars when they were persecuted by the french king but so powerful was the templar network across europe that within a short time after that both the french king AND his puppet pope were dead

The jesuits were then created along the lines of the templar order and they used their own rituals introduced by ignatius loyola

The jesuits were filled with merrano jews from their very beginning

So what we have across europe and throughout the roman empire is people, many of which are jews working with OCCULT magical techniques to alter consciousness

That network has maintained its ties through membership of secret societies

They control the roman church. The templars who fled france went to places like scotland where they created freemasonry lodge 0 and they went to switzerland where they continued their banking empire and they provide mercenary guards to the vatican to this day

The pope himself is now a jesuit who is calling for a world bank and so on

[iamawaveofthesea]

Originally Posted by snowleopard

The author of the article didn't necessarily mean that the British are Jews but that the British Empire uses Jews to get things done. Read the amazon.com comment I posted about the book Dope Inc. and the "Hofjudens" who work for the British Crown.

and what i'm saying to you is that the people you are referring to who 'used jews' were themselves jewish

they were from a far earlier wave of jewish immigration

william the conquerer was intermarried with the jewish bloodlines and he brought them into britain with him when he conquered it in 1066

they built the tower of london to stamp their authority on london. They audited the country to find out everything of value which they wrote in the 'doomsday book' and they created a tax system called the exchequer

centuries later the same bloodline network created the city of london banking district and eventually the central bank known as the 'bank of england' which the network owns the shares of

Those people conquered the british people then recruited, conscripted or pressganged the conquered people into armies which they used to conquer other people who they also then recruited into their armies

The empire you speak of began OUTSIDE britain and conquered britain then used it as one of its main bases to expand further

[JustMe418]

Originally Posted by iamawaveofthesea

you said it was the bible that said alexander was an 'edomite' (edom is outside of europe by the way)

and i told you before that the term 'kings of edom' is a qabalistic term used to denote imbalanced force

to call alexander the great a edomite is therefore a qabalistic insult

livingstone very clearly says they are jews and mentions 'rabbis' which are most definately of levantine origin not of european origin

you just want to hate on white people so much that you are willing to try and twist reality to fit your hatred!

You call him a white hater yet nearly every post you make is about booting jews. I find it funny that you say he twists things out of hatred when you clearly do exactly the same thing.

[JustMe418]

Originally Posted by iamawaveofthesea

the roman empire is not a coehsive thing which is why some people stabbed julius caesar

he imposed his own dictatorship and was doing something with the currency that then was leading to economic problems

There are bloodline families that date back to the roman times some of which are probably qabalistic

for example when the eastern roman empire fell when constantinople was captured by the muslims there was an exodus of refugees who brought knowledge and manuscripts with them

there would also have been sects and cults among them

the medicis of florence who some accuse of being crypto-jews used their banking wealth to buy up many of the hermetic texts and that occultism then flooded through europe

jewish rabbis throughout europe were also transmitting the kabbalah among their followers

the knights templar were using ceremonial magic rituals to alter the consciousness of their members who themselves were bloodline families

yes the pope who was a puppet of the french king did not protect the templars when they were persecuted by the french king but so powerful was the templar network across europe that within a short time after that both the french king AND his puppet pope were dead

The jesuits were then created along the lines of the templar order and they used their own rituals introduced by ignatius loyola

The jesuits were filled with merrano jews from their very beginning

So what we have across europe and throughout the roman empire is people, many of which are jews working with OCCULT magical techniques to alter consciousness

That network has maintained its ties through membership of secret societies

They control the roman church. The templars who fled france went to places like scotland where they created freemasonry lodge 0 and they went to switzerland where they continued their banking empire and they provide mercenary guards to the vatican to this day

The pope himself is now a jesuit who is calling for a world bank and so on

Loads of highly questionable statements in this post, which have already been done to death elsewhere.

What exactly is an occult magic technique? shamanism? meditation? mantra?

[JustMe418]

Originally Posted by snowleopard

The author of the article didn't necessarily mean that the British are Jews but that the British Empire uses Jews to get things done. Read the amazon.com comment I posted about the book Dope Inc. and the "Hofjudens" who work for the British Crown.

The empire would have used anybody it needed to get work done, jewish or not.

The trouble with Wave is that he only ever focusses on jewish things and ignores the big picture and its wider context.

[iamawaveofthesea]

Originally Posted by JustMe418

You call him a white hater yet nearly every post you make is about booting jews. I find it funny that you say he twists things out of hatred when you clearly do exactly the same thing.

i accuse you of doing something you didn't do because of the colour of your skin you'd call me a hater too

if you knew who had really done the thing you were being accused of you'd likely say who actually did it

[iamawaveofthesea]

Originally Posted by JustMe418

Loads of highly questionable statements in this post, which have already been done to death elsewhere.

lots of vagueness in your comment there and not really any specificity

Originally Posted by JustMe418

What exactly is an occult magic technique? shamanism? meditation? mantra?

you know fine well

ceremonial magic