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Old 29-07-2015, 05:55 AM   #141
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NO ONE is denying that Jews were killed. What seems to be in dispute is the numbers by many people. For me, the logistics and methods are in question.

Now that you have switched your attention away from ronisron, you are determined to keep this thread a never ending one. When I read some of your posts, they come across as provocative, contentious and hateful ('self loathing creeps' example). You haunt every holocaust thread, there is a problem of some sort to make such a crusade.

"you deny the genocide of Jews" I never denied there were atrocities, just the numbers
"whitewash nazi crimes" I don't see any posts of mine that do this
"What part of the word genocide DON'T you understand?" contentious to be sure

You really need to get a life, sad little pumpkin. My post was not about the holocaust directly, I was replying to grandmasterp's post about the DI forums numbers being down. That you go into attack mode answers part of that question, geez
You were able to manufacture an argument with a post that had nothing to do with you, very creative
Really, it was you who posted a comment prior to gmp's post that was thankfully removed, and along with my response to you, a good call too. You bumped the thread, dildo.

I didn't respond to strummer's post........but I sure do thank him for it...........but I didn't post, because I didn't want to bump the thread and then you come along and responded to gmp, you bumped the thread and you have the audacity to say I'm keeping this thread alive, Pfft.

Regarding your comment "to wear me out", no you wont.

Do you deny the other genocides in History and question the logistic and methods of those? No you dont.

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Old 29-07-2015, 06:12 PM   #142
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Really, it was you who posted a comment prior to gmp's post that was thankfully removed, and along with my response to you, a good call too. You bumped the thread, dildo.

I didn't respond to strummer's post........but I sure do thank him for it...........but I didn't post, because I didn't want to bump the thread and then you come along and responded to gmp, you bumped the thread and you have the audacity to say I'm keeping this thread alive, Pfft.

Regarding your comment "to wear me out", no you wont.

Do you deny the other genocides in History and question the logistic and methods of those? No you dont.
Obviously, no one will be wearing you out, that is certain, you are so 'dedicated'
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Old 30-07-2015, 05:32 AM   #143
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Obviously, no one will be wearing you out, that is certain, you are so 'dedicated'

As I thought....you bumped the thread again, lol.

You didn't answer this question.

Do you deny the other genocides in History and question the logistic and methods of those?


Do you deny the white man infected blanket's with small pox? Do you deny there was an Armenian Genocide? Do you deny the mass murder of Cambodian's by Pol Pot? Do you deny the Rwanda genocide?

You see the holocaust just isn't about Auschwitzand those number's liquidated in that one camp, there is also the Einsatzgruppen the four paramilitary units established before the invasion of the Soviet Union for the purpose of "liquidating" (murdering) Jew. 1.4000,000 were shot to death.

This is the list the Nazi made of the number of Jews in Europe.





If ronison is to believed, as you believe him, based on his erogenous estimates, taken from a forged document by a Holocaust denier/Nazi apologist , the red cross one, only 240,000 were supposed to be killed. Where are all these Jews rich's? It would be easy to account from them wouldn't it?
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Old 31-07-2015, 03:52 AM   #144
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As I thought....you bumped the thread again, lol.

You didn't answer this question.

Do you deny the other genocides in History and question the logistic and methods of those?


Do you deny the white man infected blanket's with small pox? Do you deny there was an Armenian Genocide? Do you deny the mass murder of Cambodian's by Pol Pot? Do you deny the Rwanda genocide?

You see the holocaust just isn't about Auschwitzand those number's liquidated in that one camp, there is also the Einsatzgruppen the four paramilitary units established before the invasion of the Soviet Union for the purpose of "liquidating" (murdering) Jew. 1.4000,000 were shot to death.

This is the list the Nazi made of the number of Jews in Europe.





If ronison is to believed, as you believe him, based on his erogenous estimates, taken from a forged document by a Holocaust denier/Nazi apologist , the red cross one, only 240,000 were supposed to be killed. Where are all these Jews rich's? It would be easy to account from them wouldn't it?
I am unfamiliar with the genocides purportedly committed in Rwanda, Armenia, and Pol Pot. I graduated high school in 1964, so it was not required learning at that time. However, the coverage of the Holocaust was very heavily taught, and the mantra of the time about the poor Jews, I accepted hook and sinker. Young minds are easy to hoodwink, but at the time, we took it to be the truth and never questioned our teachers, after all, they all had been to university with teaching degrees, masters, even doctorates at the high school level. The mentality of the time was to not question authority. I was drafted to go into the army in 1968, and went, but today I would feel quite differently knowing what I know now. Back then, if you said the government used LSD on its citizens as an experiment, you would have assuredly been dismissed as a complete nutcake. Today, I realize how hoodwinked we were.
I have read numerous books on the Third Reich, it is a very fascinating era. A sophisticated country like Germany going off the rails. William L. Shirer, Joachim Fest, Alan Bullock, Konrad Heiden, August Kubizek, John Toland were some of the authors I read back then. I was born in 1947, just after the end of WWII. I was stationed for 18 months in Bayreuth, Germany, the cultural epicenter of the Third Reich. I visited Nuremberg, and saw Zeppelinfeld where the rallies were held and there is still a podium that Hitler spoke at there. The area in front of the podium is now a park and a leg of the Autobahn rolls through at the outskirts. When I was stationed there, many older women wore black on Sunday as war widows in the parks. The Russians were uniformly loathed and the Americans were well received, and I assume the British too for the most part.
After the 60's there was an avalanche of books published some of which I've read, including some perhaps spurious ones by Bridget Hitler, and the "Pink Swatstika" which alludes to the correlation of homosexuality and violence in the Nazi Party (which is well documented)

I say all this to provide some context to my opinions which are from a very different generation than that perhaps of yours. After seeing the 'light' several years ago, I question everything, after having been fooled by people that I should have ignored, but had accepted their writings had been vetted in the literary and intellectual, and historical world. I never knew about the smallpox blankets but have no doubt Now, as I am witness to the testimony and eyewitness accounts of survivors. Unbelievable...

I still have frank concerns about the numbers of the Holocaust. If it was far less, why are we calling it a Holocaust, when it is a massacre? The logistics involved challenge anyone's mind with a technical background like myself. Some things do not hold up. I am not trivializing the suffering of Jews who suffered, but I can question like anyone else the accuracy.
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Old 31-07-2015, 06:28 AM   #145
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I am unfamiliar with the genocides purportedly committed in Rwanda, Armenia, and Pol Pot. I graduated high school in 1964, so it was not required learning at that time. However, the coverage of the Holocaust was very heavily taught, and the mantra of the time about the poor Jews, I accepted hook and sinker. Young minds are easy to hoodwink, but at the time, we took it to be the truth and never questioned our teachers, after all, they all had been to university with teaching degrees, masters, even doctorates at the high school level. The mentality of the time was to not question authority. I was drafted to go into the army in 1968, and went, but today I would feel quite differently knowing what I know now. Back then, if you said the government used LSD on its citizens as an experiment, you would have assuredly been dismissed as a complete nutcake. Today, I realize how hoodwinked we were.
I have read numerous books on the Third Reich, it is a very fascinating era. A sophisticated country like Germany going off the rails. William L. Shirer, Joachim Fest, Alan Bullock, Konrad Heiden, August Kubizek, John Toland were some of the authors I read back then. I was born in 1947, just after the end of WWII. I was stationed for 18 months in Bayreuth, Germany, the cultural epicenter of the Third Reich. I visited Nuremberg, and saw Zeppelinfeld where the rallies were held and there is still a podium that Hitler spoke at there. The area in front of the podium is now a park and a leg of the Autobahn rolls through at the outskirts. When I was stationed there, many older women wore black on Sunday as war widows in the parks. The Russians were uniformly loathed and the Americans were well received, and I assume the British too for the most part.
After the 60's there was an avalanche of books published some of which I've read, including some perhaps spurious ones by Bridget Hitler, and the "Pink Swatstika" which alludes to the correlation of homosexuality and violence in the Nazi Party (which is well documented)

I say all this to provide some context to my opinions which are from a very different generation than that perhaps of yours. After seeing the 'light' several years ago, I question everything, after having been fooled by people that I should have ignored, but had accepted their writings had been vetted in the literary and intellectual, and historical world. I never knew about the smallpox blankets but have no doubt Now, as I am witness to the testimony and eyewitness accounts of survivors. Unbelievable...

I still have frank concerns about the numbers of the Holocaust. If it was far less, why are we calling it a Holocaust, when it is a massacre? The logistics involved challenge anyone's mind with a technical background like myself. Some things do not hold up. I am not trivializing the suffering of Jews who suffered, but I can question like anyone else the accuracy.
Yes, well your so concerned about the number's that you can't even dabate the number's, can you?


Now that I've shown the Nazi estimates of the number of Jews in Europe and the estimates of the number's of Jews liquidated. Do you want to debate that? Since this is your primary concern, you would want to know, wouldn't YOU?

You've proved my point that you dont care for the other genocides in History, yet only the ones concerning Jew's, like most Nazi apologist/holocaust denier's.
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Old 31-07-2015, 09:21 AM   #146
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Enjoyed reading that post about your background & the hoodwinking we have all suffered.


Re: The mythical H numbers conundrum ...


The daily Auschwitz inmate population figures for Jan 1942 to Jan 1943 were published 2 years ago over at http://www.whatreallyhappened.info

These are primary source documents from the UK national Archives which were declassified in the 1990's and have been completely ignored & left untouched by all of the so-called "H scholars" to this day ...

Quelle surprise ...

These inmate tables were as recorded & compiled by the cryptanalysts at Bletchley Park, listening in to the GPCC daily radio transmissions of prisoner populations at the various German labour camps.

Unsurprisingly, not presented at the Nuremberg farce ...


Bletchley Park Concentration Camp Decodes.



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Enjoyed reading that post about your background & the hoodwinking we have all suffered.


Re: The mythical H numbers conundrum ...


The daily Auschwitz inmate population figures for Jan 1942 to Jan 1943 were published 2 years ago over at http://www.whatreallyhappened.info

These are primary source documents from the UK national Archives which were declassified in the 1990's and have been completely ignored & left untouched by all of the so-called "H scholars" to this day ...

Quelle surprise ...

These inmate tables were as recorded & compiled by the cryptanalysts at Bletchley Park, listening in to the GPCC daily radio transmissions of prisoner populations at the various German labour camps.

Unsurprisingly, not presented at the Nuremberg farce ...


Bletchley Park Concentration Camp Decodes.



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That site is nothing but more bullshit from codoh.

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Much of what is called the Holocaust did beyond question take place:
  • The National Socialist or Nazi regime intensely disliked Jews and prior to the war succeeded in expelling two thirds of them from Germany. They had the cooperation of the Jewish Zionist movement, which wanted Jews to move to Palestine.

lol, The Nazi's estimate of the number of Jews in Europe was 11 million. What that quote implies is that 3.4 Million were shipped out of Germany, their weren't 3.4 million Jews in Germany to start with, there were aprox 3 million in Poland, which WASN"T Germany

SO where are the Jews that were shipped there between 1933 to 1945? Answer they were liquidated, otherwise you would able to account for them, that's 3.4 million people, even if it was 1% holocaust denier's would be able to account form them, but you can't because they are dead..
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Bletchley Park Concentration Camp Decodes.
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It is covered here.


To dispel any lingering doubts, a work report from German Military Police operating in Bulgaria unequivocally puts paid to the lie of resettlement by unambiguously naming Treblinka as the final destination of Jewish transports.



That geriatrics and infants numbered among them also makes it impossible that they were sent there for labour purposes.
Work Report
12 April 1943

Subject: Escorting the Jewish Transports

On the basis of a telephoned command from SS Haupsturmführer Danker, the train left Skopje on March 23, 1943, at 12:00, escorted by platoon No. 1, which comprised thirty men and was commanded by Police Sergeant Buchner. The train arrived at 23:00. On March 29, at 06:00, the loading of 2,404 Jews onto freight cars commenced at the former tobacco sheds. Loading was completed at 12:00, and at 12:30 the train departed. The train passed through Albanian territory. The final destination, Treblinka (the camp), was reached on April 5, 1943, at 07:00, via Czestochowa, Piotrkow, Warsaw. The train was unloaded that same day between the hours 09:00 and 11:00. Incidents: Five Jews died en route. On the night of March 31 - an elderly man, aged eighty-five; on April 3 - an elderly woman, aged ninety-four and a six-month-old child. On April 4 an elderly woman aged ninety-nine died.
Transport Roster: received 2,404
less 5
total delivered at Treblinka
2,399
[signed] Karl, Military Police Lieutenant and Company Commander.44
An ancillary document intercepted by the British decoding service at Bletchley Park, the so-called Höfle memorandum, corroborates the increased death tolls.
13/15. OLQ de OMQ 1005 83 234 250 State Secret!



To the Senior Commander of the Security Police [and the Security Service], for the attention of SS Obersturmbannfuhrer HEIM, CRACOW.
Subject: fortnightly report Einsatz REINHART.
Reference: radio telegram therefrom.



recorded arrivals until December 31, 42,
L [Lublin] 12,761,
B [Belzec] 0,
S [Sobibor] 515,
T [Treblinka] 10 335 [,]
together 23 611
sum total…[as per] December 31, 42,
L 24 733,
B 434 508,
S 101 370,
T 71 355, read: 713 555]


together 1 274 166


SS and Police Leader Lublin, HOFLE, Sturmbannführer45
This document tells us that 713,555 Jews from the Polish General Government arrived at "T" (Treblinka) until 31 December 1942, Himmler's deadline for the "total cleansing" of the Generalgouvernement. It also tells us where one of the key figures in the report of Himmler's statistician Richard Korherr came from.



The Korherr report, prepared at Himmler's request, were actually two, a "long" one for Himmler and a "short" one for Hitler himself, meant to give a comprehensive account of the Holocaust to its directors.46 A translation yields the following passage:
"4. Transportation of Jews from the
eastern provinces to the Russian
East: ............................ 1 449 692 " The following numbers were sifted
through the camps in the General
government ............. ........ 1 274 166 Jews
through the camps in the Warthegau..... 145 301 Jews"47
The "camps in the Warthegau" was Chelmno and the "camps in the General Government" were the aforementioned Aktion Reinhard(t) camps Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka and the Lublin-Majdanek camp, the latter obviously because it was considered more practical to send Jews from Lublin to Majdanek as soon as that camp had extermination facilities instead of sending them to far-away Belzec or Sobibor. The figure of 1,274,166 Jews mentioned in that report is evidently the figure from the above quoted Höfle memorandum, which means that Korherr's figure is broken down as follows:
  1. Lublin-Majdanek 24,733
  2. Belzec 434,508
  3. Sobibor 101,370
  4. Treblinka 713,555
Total 1,274,166



On 9 April 1943, Himmler wrote to the heads of the Gestapo and Sicherheitsdienst that he found Korherr's report "excellent for camouflage purposes," and forbade its dissemination.48 In the original version of the report, Korherr used the term Sonderbehandlung, i.e. "special treatment", with regard to the Jews mentioned in this section of his report. This term, which was a bureaucratic euphemism for killing commonly used in the context of the Final Solution,49 must have become too worn and thus transparent by the time Korherr submitted his report to Himmler, for which reason Himmler's adjutant Karl Brandt, in a letter dated 10 April 1943 required Korherr to refrain from using the term Sonderbehandlung and to phrase the quoted paragraph as it was finally worded.



The Reichsführer SS
S[outh] Field Command Post 10.4.1943
Tgb. Nr. [stamped: state secret]
-V
2. Draughts
2. Draughting
To the inspector of statistics, PG. Korherr
B e r l i n

http://www.holocaust-history.org/ope...reblinka.shtml

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Again holocaust denier's misrepresent statistic and report's to suit their agenda to apologize for the Nazi regime.
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