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Old 11-08-2015, 04:39 PM   #601
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Neighbours and relatives from the surrounding settlements would come to the ceremony at the new family domain and bring with them their finest seeds, sapplings and young animals as gifts and so in the time of just the wedding ceremony all would be put in place for the nourishment of the new family. They would even prepare a structure before hand to erect in the garden so that the next morning the newly weds would have everything that they would need and all of this without having to save up or take out a mortgage etc.

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Old 11-08-2015, 04:54 PM   #602
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Neighbours and relatives from the surrounding settlements would come to the ceremony at the new family domain and bring with them their finest seeds, sapplings and young animals as gifts and so in the time of just the wedding ceremony all would be put in place for the nourishment of the new family. They would even prepare a structure before hand to erect in the garden so that the newly weds would have everything that they would need and all of this without having to save up or take out a mortgage etc.
and what on earth does this have to do with the subject of marriage equality?
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Old 11-08-2015, 05:17 PM   #603
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In the modern world great pressures are put on the pregnant woman such as having to work or worry about money and accomodation. Nourishing fresh foods are not available and her partner is also burdened with the stresses of slaving for the technocratic system. The child being haphazardly created in an act of lust or even using some backwards technology. This can not help but have a negative effect on the child and the couple. Such a union can not be considered equal to the joy of co-creation.

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this thread is not about having babies.
it is about marriage equality.
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Old 11-08-2015, 05:41 PM   #605
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So in your tradition marriage is some sort of sorcery or ritual having no purpose in children and the government has a role in this strange mystisisism? Sorry I am quite confused. It sounds so very peculiar.

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Old 11-08-2015, 06:02 PM   #606
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So in your tradition marriage is some sort of sorcery or ritual having no purpose in children and the government has a role in this strange mystisisism? Sorry I am quite confused. It sounds so very peculiar.
You seem to live in an idealistic fantasy world, that has no basis in reality....

In the real world.

You don't have to get married to be pregnant.

It's established that it's best if the two people getting married are in love.

There are single parents. And sometime natural parents don't necessarily have their childrens best interests at heart.

Childen end up being up in homes, and end up with no parents.

Sometimes people are infertile..... And hundreds of other real world situations.

Given all the variations, in the real world, why shouldn't gay men marry?
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Old 11-08-2015, 06:26 PM   #607
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But if marrriage has nothing to do with children as you keep claiming then what purpose does it serve and why is the government involved in it?

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Old 11-08-2015, 06:31 PM   #608
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But if marrriage has nothing to do with children as you keep claiming then what purpose does it serve and why does the government involved in it?
It's a legally binding union. A public declaration of love. And a vow to stay together.

Where's the talk of babies in the marriage vow????
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This girl says she was a "political statement" and her dad is going out with someone only a year older than her. Her mother lied to her about her heritage.

This reflects what I said earlier in this thread, people putting their own selfish agendas before the child, who needs a male and female influence (as God intended) or at least a connection to both in their lives to know how they fit in. She's clearly a lovely intelligent girl but the damage to her psychologically is disgraceful. A very powerful message.
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This reflects what I said earlier in this thread, people putting their own selfish agendas before the child, who needs a male and female influence (as God intended) or at least a connection to both in their lives to know how they fit in. She's clearly a lovely intelligent girl but the damage to her psychologically is disgraceful. A very powerful message.
So I guess that also goes for those woman who chose to get pregnant artificially from sperm donor,
and raise the child by them self, like 400 woman did in Denmark last year.

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So I guess that goes for those woman who chose to get pregnant artificially from sperm donor,
and raise the child by them self, like 400 woman did in Denmark last year.
All part of the same problem - this is about children wanting a natural mother and a father. As she says of her situation "It isnt natural."
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But if marrriage has nothing to do with children as you keep claiming then what purpose does it serve and why is the government involved in it?
do you read any of the posts others write???
i said several times ....

Marriage is a legal contract that bestows certain legal rights to those who choose to marry.
are you so dense that you cannot see that. it is state sanctioned "partnership."
it allows spousal and inheritance rights.

ARE YOU UNABLE TO COMPREHEND THIS SIMPLE FACT?

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Old 11-08-2015, 09:43 PM   #613
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do you read any of the posts others write???
i said several times ....

Marriage is a legal contract that bestows certain legal rights to those who choose to marry.
are you so dense that you cannot see that. it is state sanctioned "partnership."
it allows spousal and inheritance rights.

ARE YOU UNABLE TO COMPREHEND THIS SIMPLE FACT?
If that is marriage, what is a civil partnership?
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Old 11-08-2015, 10:33 PM   #614
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I always thought of marriage as turning a "me" into a "we". For example, when men claim that their wife took their house, their money...uh, no. When you marry, your stuff is now the other person's too. Marriage also confers equal input and responsibility in raising any children, unlike in unmarried situations.
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This reflects what I said earlier in this thread, people putting their own selfish agendas before the child, who needs a male and female influence (as God intended) or at least a connection to both in their lives to know how they fit in. She's clearly a lovely intelligent girl but the damage to her psychologically is disgraceful. A very powerful message.
There is another video about a Canadian woman who was raised by gays in Canada and she wrote a book that would have her imprisoned under hate laws if she had published it in Canada. Seems like there could a freedom of speech problem she says since gay marriage was introduced it is getting to the point where the words mother and father have been erased from schools and nobody can do radio interviews or question anything.

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There is another video about a Canadian woman who was raised by gays in Canada and she wrote a book that would have her imprisoned under hate laws if she had published it in Canada. Seems like there could a freedom of speech problem she says since gay marriage was introduced it is getting to the point where the words mother and father have been erased from schools and nobody can do radio interviews or question anything.
That's BS.
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This thread is about marriage equality. If you wish to discuss that, fine. If not then The thread will be closed.

The subject of babies, natural mother and father, adoption, surrogacy, whatever , is addressed in several other threads. Take it there, please.
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There is another video about a Canadian woman who was raised by gays in Canada and she wrote a book that would have her imprisoned under hate laws if she had published it in Canada. Seems like there could a freedom of speech problem she says since gay marriage was introduced it is getting to the point where the words mother and father have been erased from schools and nobody can do radio interviews or question anything.
bullshit.
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I always thought of marriage as turning a "me" into a "we". For example, when men claim that their wife took their house, their money...uh, no. When you marry, your stuff is now the other person's too. Marriage also confers equal input and responsibility in raising any children, unlike in unmarried situations.

In Australia anyone living together in a same sex relationship for over a year is subject to the same laws in the dissolution of marriage. Instead of going to a family court to have it settled, the partner's would go to a civil court.
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