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Old 15-03-2014, 03:53 PM   #41
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timeline....

Dave Catchpole ‏@DaveCatchpole
Rumour has it a helicopter has come down in fog near Gillingham church.. lots of blues and twos on site..
2:29 pm - 13 Mar 2014 [9:29 PM]


Rumour.....started by whom, one might ask?

Eastern Daily Press Verified account ‏@EDP24
Breaking: Police confirm they are dealing with a helicopter crash in Gillingham, near Beccles. Happened at 7.30pm.
2:40 pm - 13 Mar 2014

BBC Breaking NewsVerified account ‏@BBCBreaking
Police say emergency services are at the scene of a helicopter crash in Gillingham in the English county of Norfolk
2:51 pm - 13 Mar 2014

Hmmmmm
What's the evidence for a 7:30 pm crash? Two hours to "emerge"??

But this is where it gets suspicious...Sky News and the local Eastern Daily Press knows about it before local residents, and Beccles is quite a significant town:

Nigel Pickover ‏@Nigel_Pickover Mar 13
BREAKING: Another major helicopter crash in #Norfolk tonight - #loddon area. Sadly, believed fataliies more here and #EDP24 2:19 pm - 13 Mar 2014 · [9:19 PM]

fatalities already being pushed...

Nigel Pickover ‏@Nigel_Pickover
BREAKING: @Norfolkfire at scene of latest #Norfolk copter crash - NOT military according to #EDP24 sources - another major tragedy feared
2:24 pm - 13 Mar 2014

Ah, sources....

• ‏@Tommy__Shaw
Helicopter crash in Beccles according to Sky News.
2:25 pm - 13 Mar 2014 [9:25 PM]

Boris Watch ‏@BorisWatch
Does seem genuine, reports of another helicopter down in Norfolk, this time Beccles/Loddon area. Fog, apparently.
2:27 pm - 13 Mar 2014

hmmmmm, doesn't seem too genuine to me...

david ‏@sleepingat10
@Tommy__Shaw what happened haven't heard about it on the news
2:28 pm - 13 Mar 2014

Rob Owers ‏@skypadrob
We're chasing reports of a potential major incident in Beccles on Suffolk/Norfolk border. Possible helicopter crash. Ambulance serv at scene
2:30 pm - 13 Mar 2014


• ‏@Tommy__Shaw
@sleepingat10 they haven't said details just that there's been a accident by Beccles.
2:30 pm - 13 Mar 2014

Scott ‏@Arggers
So is the helicopter crash in Loddon area reported by @Nigel_Pickover the Beccles/Fritton Lake area emergency incident reported by @EDP24?
2:32 pm - 13 Mar 2014


Nigel Pickover ‏@Nigel_Pickover
BREAKING: #NorfolkHelicopterTragedy - @NorfolkPolice taking lead in latest crash - @norfolkfireresc at scene @EastEnglandAmb now there too
2:44 pm - 13 Mar 2014

Ah, all the ingredients of a good hoax/drill and, er, @norfolkfireresc is a protected US fire service twitter stream....

Norfolk Police ‏@NorfolkPolice Mar 13
Police are currently on the scene of a helicopter crash at Gillingham. Updates to follow http://*******/1dWmrhv
2:45 pm - 13 Mar 2014 · [9:45 PM].....three hours later.....no rush there, then.


Nigel Pickover ‏@Nigel_Pickover Mar 13
UPDATE: #NorfolkHelicopterTragedy: 999 teams working in foggy conditions, not known if weather a factor. This now a recovery operation.
2:49 pm - 13 Mar 2014 ·

Note that Pickover hasn't actually said where it is yet, a key question for him to have asked his "sources"

Oh, here it comes, half an hour after Sky named the exact place....

Nigel Pickover ‏@Nigel_Pickover
BREAKING: #EDP24 sources say #NorfolkHelicopterTragedy is close to #Gillingham, near #Beccles, close to #A146 - more soon
2:59 pm - 13 Mar 2014 [9:59 PM]

EEAST_Incidents ‏@EEAST_Incidents Mar 13
The ambulance service was called at 7.45pm tonight to reports of a helicopter crash. Statement: http://www.eastamb.nhs.uk/incidents/...in-Norfolk.htm … #norfolk #gillingham
3:07 pm - 13 Mar 2014 ·


Nigel Pickover ‏@Nigel_Pickover Mar 13
BREAKING: @EastEnglandAmb #NorfolkHelicopterTragedy #Gillingham. ambulance team of 2 officers, 3 vehicles, 2 doctors and rapid response car.
3:17 pm - 13 Mar 2014 ·

Nigel Pickover ‏@Nigel_Pickover
UPDATE: #NorfolkHelicopterTragedy #Gillingham - very difficult conditions for 999 crews - foggy and copter came down in woodland
3:20 pm - 13 Mar 2014

well, in a field, but near woodland.

Nigel Pickover ‏@Nigel_Pickover
BREAKING: reliable sources tell me four people have died tonight in latest #NorfolkHelicopterTragedy - another sad chapter in copter crashes
3:21 pm - 13 Mar 2014

"sources"..... and seemingly very very reliable ones.

Nigel Pickover ‏@Nigel_Pickover Mar 13
#NorfolkHelicopterTragedy - @EastEnglandAmb 999 team stood down after 4 confirmed dead at #Gillingham - copter down in woods - no fire.
3:27 pm - 13 Mar 2014

ah, confirmed. By whom?

EEAST_Incidents ‏@EEAST_Incidents
Sadly four people are believed to have died in the helicopter crash tonight. Updated statement: http://www.eastamb.nhs.uk/incidents/...in-Norfolk.htm
3:32 pm - 13 Mar 2014 [10:32 PM]

....believed to have died???? I thought this was the ambulance service who would be able to distinguish between a living and a dead person, and allegedly they were at the site?? Whom does the ambulance service, which saves lives, believe??

and now, the Police have exactly the same belief but don't KNOW exactly!!!

Norfolk Police ‏@NorfolkPolice Mar 13
Four thought to have died in Gillingham helicopter crash http://*******/1dWmrhv
3:42 pm - 13 Mar 2014 ·

but Nigel does...

Nigel Pickover ‏@Nigel_Pickover Mar 13
UPDATE:#NorfolkHelicopterTragedy - what we know:4 dead#Gillingham Conditions:Foggy,No fire 999 teams stood down Police exclusion zone#EDP24
3:53 pm - 13 Mar 2014 · [10:53 PM]

case closed. all go home.

david ‏@sleepingat10
@Tommy__Shaw just Heard that 4 people have been killed in the crash
4:24 pm - 13 Mar 2014 [11:24 PM]

...like pronounced dead by a qualified medical person, no injured taken to hospital, no survivors.

Kimberley Briscoe ‏@JournoKim Mar 13
Woman I spoke to from Gillingham said there was a helipad at Gillingham Hall and they used to fly in on a Thursday night.
5:07 pm - 13 Mar 2014 ·[12:07 AM]

And now the police no longer think but KNOW that four died. Spot on, cops..

Norfolk PoliceVerified account ‏@NorfolkPolice
#Police confirm four killed in helicopter crash in #Gillingham as investigations continue http://*******/1dWmrhv
5:51 pm - 13 Mar 2014 [12:51 AM 14 March]


Kimberley Briscoe ‏@JournoKim
@_chrisfloyd Nope - I'm in the office. We had a reporter and photographer out on scene earlier. Woman from Gillingham rang me about it.
5:43 pm - 13 Mar 2014 [12:43 AM 14 March]

unnamed woman.....where are the photos from Thursday evenng?

Norfolk Fire Service chose not to tweet.

Totally totally suspicious.

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Old 15-03-2014, 03:56 PM   #42
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Heart EA News ‏@HeartEANews
#HeartNews Scene on the A146 outside #Gillingham near #Beccles in #Norfolk where a helicopter's crashed pic.twitter.com/CfdZ32Lp89
4:33 pm - 13 Mar 2014 [11:33 PM 14 March]



Hmmmm

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Old 15-03-2014, 11:16 PM   #43
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Lots of posed photos now emerging after almost exactly two days....very Clutha like, with lots of people just wandering about doing nothing, except of course, say cheese for the BBC.
Norfolk crash helicopter's flight recorder recovered
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26594940
15 March 2014 Last updated at 19:23

"An aircraft recovery team from Wiltshire has been searching the wreckage for clues" - we didn't get one of those at Vauxhall a year ago...


"Crews have worked throughout Saturday to remove the rotor blades from the crashed AW139" - what did they do all Friday?

"The tail section was also recovered ahead of the wreckage being removed on Sunday" we didn't get this at Vauxhall - the tail just vanished - or at Clutha.


scattered debris..where??



...doesn't look like woodland does it? More like open fields with a line of bushes...

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The findings of the AAIB investigation are expected in about 12 months time.
#by which time we will all have forgotten about this weird crash.

BBC Look East ‏@BBCLookEast
The flight voice recorder of Lord Ballyedmond's crashed helicopter is recovered http://bbc.in/1m7Fgmv #norfolk pic.twitter.com/EOZ5w50sno
12:36 pm - 15 Mar 2014 [7:36 PM* current offset 4 hours]




must have been very difficult to find, then, if it took nearly two days to locate the black box.


what a stroke of luck crashing behind that convenient row of straw bales, so nobody can photograph from the road!

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http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....orfolk-6835790

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A helicopter pilot who died in a crash that also killed a wealthy Conservative peer was an Army veteran from Greater Manchester.

Captain Lee Hoyle, from Salford, was co-pilot of a helicopter that came down in heavy fog in Norfolk on Thursday.

The crash killed four people – including Mr Hoyle and 70-year-old Lord Ballyedmond, one of Northern Ireland’s richest men with an estimated wealth of £500m.

Father-of-two Mr Hoyle had been a co-pilot for Lord Ballyedmond’s air travel firm Haughey Air, based in Newry, County Down, since October 2012.

The 45-year-old, who went to school in Eccles, served in the British Army in The Royal Regiment of Fusiliers – going on tours in the Falklands in the late 80s and early 90s.

A big Manchester City fan, he lived on Norwood Road in Stretford with interior designer wife Georgina before moving to a new home in Macclesfield recently. Mrs Hoyle was too upset to speak last night.

Before joining Haughey Air, Mr Hoyle was a director of helicopter training company Norwood Aviation.

The M.E.N. understands he worked as a driver for delivery firm DHL, on Trafford Wharf Road, in Trafford Park, while he was getting his helicopter pilot’s licence.
http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/ne...rash-1-6500699

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Two former Fylde Coast flying instructors have been named as the two pilots killed as their helicopter crashed over Norfolk.

Captain Carl Dickerson, of Thornton, and Captain Lee Hoyle are believed to have run a flying school out of Blackpool Airport before taking a job with Lord Ballyedmond at his charter business, Haughey Air.
Nobody is speculating about which way the craft crashed - it looks like it has had a head-on, yet is lying horizontally.
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There is not a spot of debris on the straw bales.

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A spokesman for the Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) said: ``We are plotting the distribution of the debris on the field before removing fuel from the helicopter to make it safe.''
Sunday 16 March 2014
http://www.heart.co.uk/norfolk/news/...y-work-starts/
Helicopter Crash: Recovery Work Starts

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http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/carl-dickerson/44/145/22
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Chief Pilot
Haughey Air Ltd

May 2010 – Present (3 years 11 months) Northern Ireland

I am currently working for a private owner in a corporate environment flying both S76C++ and the AW139 single pilot and multi pilot within the Uk, Ireland and Europe for the last 4 years.
Successfully satisfying the requirements of many diverse and demanding business clients, VVIPs and Heads of states.
I am highly motivated and extremely well organized proficient at working in pressurised environments and I believe that my flying experience, strong work ethic, and professional demeanor are well suited to most aviation requirements.

05/2010 - 12/2010 Co-Pilot
12/2010 - 05/2012 Captain
05/2012 - Present Chief Pilot

Sikorsky S76C++ P1 hours 558
Agusta Westland 139 P1 hours 510
Freelance Commercial Pilot / Instructor
Heliworld Ltd / Heliblackpool Ltd

September 2007 – May 2010 (2 years 9 months) United Kingdom

Instructor, Base and line pilot for Helicentre Blackpool Ltd
JMax Air Services Agusta 109E
Pool Aviation Agusta 109S
Pure Leisure group EC155
http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/lee-hoyle...?trk=pub-pbmap

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Co-Pilot
Haughey Air

October 2012 – Present (1 year 6 months) Ross Trevor, Northern Ireland, UK

Operate a VIP AW 139 for a private owner. Day or Night, VFR or IFR anywhere in the UK.
Heliblackpool Ltd
Mr Carl Dickerson
Born 36 years ago: Jun 1977
Director, Director
19 Oct 2009 — Close


Ms Paula Dickerson
Born: Unknown
Company Secretary
19 Oct 2009 — Close

Registered Address:
Layton House
3-5 Westcliffe Drive
Blackpool
Lancashire
FY3 7BJ
United Kingdom

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18 Nov 2011 Second Notification Of Strike-off Action In London Gazette (section 652)
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Mr Carl Dickerson was born in 1977 and the first directorship we have on file was in 2009 at Heliblackpool Limited. His most recent directorship was with Specialised Breakdown Limited where he held the position of "Company director". This company has been around since 12 Sep 2003
Ms Paula Marie Dickerson
Born 57 years ago: Sep 1956
Director, Company Director
12 Sep 2003 — Close


[British]
Mr Carl Dickerson
Born 36 years ago: Jun 1977
Director, Company Director
12 Sep 2003 — Close

Registered Address:
340 Lytham Road
Blackpool
Lancashire
FY4 1DW
United Kingdom

28 Aug 2007 - Second Notification Of Strike-off Action In London Gazette (section 652)


Haughey Air Ltd
https://www.duedil.com/company/NI027...ted/financials
Balance Sheet 3 August 2012

Net Assets -3,831,838 GBP +0.31% [cw 2011]

Total Assets 10,535,701 GBP +28.77%

Net Liabilities 6,703,863 GBP +54.53%

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Mr Martin Patrick Murdock
Born 52 years ago: Feb 1962
Director, Chartered Accountant
26 Jul 1993 — Present (20 years, 7 months, 21 days)

[British]
Lord Lord Ballyedmond
Born 70 years ago: Jan 1944
Director, Director
26 Jul 1993 — Present (20 years, 7 months, 21 days)

Mr Martin Patrick Murdock
Born: Unknown
Company Secretary
26 Jul 1993 — Present (20 years, 7 months, 21 days)

[British]
Mr Andrew John Beattie
Born 46 years ago: Apr 1967
Director, Helicopter Pilot
22 Jul 2002 — 16 Oct 2007 (5 years, 2 months, 25 days)
Registered Address:
C/o Norbrook Laboratories Ltd
Station Works
Newry
Co Down
BT35 6JP
United Kingdom

https://www.duedil.com/company/NI007...limited/people

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Dr Edward Haughey Lord Ballyedmond
Born 70 years ago: Jan 1944
Director, Director
22 Jul 1969 — Present (44 years, 7 months, 25 days)

[British]
Sir Robert Wm Roy Mc Nulty
Born 76 years ago: Nov 1937
Director, Director
01 Aug 1990 — Present (23 years, 7 months, 15 days)

Mr Martin Patrick Murdock
Born: Unknown
Company Secretary
01 Aug 1991 — Present (22 years, 7 months, 15 days)

[Irish]
Mr Martin Patrick Murdock
Born 52 years ago: Feb 1962
Director, Chartered Accountant
02 Aug 1997 — Present (16 years, 7 months, 14 days)

[British]
Dr James Quinton Stewart Haughey
Born 33 years ago: Jan 1981
Director, Medical Doctor
05 Aug 2013 — Present (7 months, 11 days)

http://www.norbrook.com/news/4026/co...rd-ballyedmond
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Company Statement- Lord Ballyedmond
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It is with sincere sadness and deep regret that the Company confirms our founding Chairman and CEO, Lord Ballyedmond, was one of four people who tragically lost their lives in an aviation accident at Gillingham, Norfolk at approximately 7.30pm on Thursday 13 March 2014.

Norbrook management and staff also mourn the loss of their friends and colleagues Declan Small (Site Foreman), Captain Carl Dickerson (Pilot) and Captain Lee Hoyle (Pilot).

Our thoughts are with the immediate families and friends of the deceased who have requested privacy at this difficult time.

We take enormous pride in our Chairman’s extraordinary legacy in establishing Norbrook as a global veterinary and pharmaceutical industry leader. Management will continue to advance his pioneering vision with a renewed vigor and determination befitting his memory.

At this time there is no further information.
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ge-ballyedmond

Maev Kennedy
theguardian.com, Sunday 16 March 2014 13.42 GMT

Norfolk helicopter crash wreckage recovered as prayers said for victims

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The flight recorder was recovered on Saturday but it will take time to remove all the wreckage which is scattered across a field. A spokesman for the Department for Transport's air accidents investigation branch said the distribution of all the wreckage, only a few hundred yards from Gillingham Hall, the estate and stately home of Ballyedmond, was being plotted before fuel was removed from the helicopter to make the wreck safe, and its rotor blades and tail section dismantled.
totally false and misleading headline from the Guardian - as the text makes clear.
Smell of hoax/psy-op.


But not a mention of any of the four bodies being recovered, not that one can trust a photo of a "private ambulance" emerging from a sealed site.

But, what's this?

11:06 AM 16 March 2014
What a strange recovery - no low loader for this. Chopped up and loaded onto a 4x2 tipper.
http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/photo_ga...372?usurv=skip
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Investigators from the Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) are at the scene of the crash today, and loaded the remains of the main body of the aircraft onto a truck.

They have also been sifting through the wreckage and removing sections from the site.

The AAIB took over as the investigators yesterday.


http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/timeline...gedy_1_3436374

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Thursday, March 13

Around 7.30pm – A loud bang is heard in the Gillingham area and eyewitnesses close to McDonald’s roundabout on the A143/A146 hear sounds of a helicopter crashing to the ground. A number of 999 calls are made and emergency services are on the scene.

Around 8pm – Police set up road blocks on the A143 and cordon off the site as debris is scattered over a wide area.

10pm – Police confirm four people on the helicopter have been killed. It is learned that the helicopter was taking off from Gillingham Hall and the hall’s owner Lord Ballyedmond was one of the victims.

Midnight – Air Accident Investigation team members are on the scene and initial investigations begin.
I'd love to know what the sound of a helicopter crashing is...



nobody wants to be identified....all looking down. Wonder why??

Video of people fiddling around:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgU9v0vBS6M

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http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/tributes...rash_1_3435266

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Simon Menzies, managing director at Pool Aviation, said Mr Dickerson began his flying career at Blackpool Airport several years ago.

He said: “He was an accomplished flight instructor who was extremely capable, professional and conscientious with an unblemished safety record to the best of my knowledge. I am positive that he wouldn’t have flown [that] night had he not been convinced of its safety and serviceability.”

Mr Menzies said Mr Dickerson worked on the tragic helicopter at his hanger when it was based in Blackpool since September 2012.

He also paid tribute to co-pilot Lee Hoyle.

“Lee was a very enthusiastic and talented co-pilot who had flown many different types of aircraft and had an inexhaustible appetite for safety and professional procedures. The weather in Norfolk last night [Thursday] although not very pleasant would have been well within the pilots’ qualified capability and that of the aircraft to operate safely.

Captain Lee Hoyle, from Salford, was co-pilot of a helicopter that came down in heavy fog on Thursday night.

The father-of-two had been a co-pilot for Lord Ballyedmond’s air travel firm Haughey Air, based in Newry, County Down, since October 2012.

The 45-year-old served in the British Army in The Royal Regiment of Fusiliers – going on tours in the Falklands in the late 80s and early 90s.

Before joining Haughey Air, Mr Hoyle was a director of helicopter training company Norwood Aviation.

• Declan Small, of Mayobridge in Co Down, Northern Ireland, was 42 and a joiner by trade who was working as a foreman for Lord Ballyedmond.

Mr Small leaves behind his mother Margaret, and three brothers.
Norwood Aviation Limited was registered on 05 Aug 2010
https://www.duedil.com/company/07336...limited/people

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Mr Lee Hoyle
Born 45 years ago: Aug 1968
Director, Pilot
05 Aug 2010 — Present (3 years, 7 months, 11 days)

Mrs Georgina Hoyle
Born: Unknown
Company Secretary
05 Aug 2010 — Present (3 years, 7 months, 11 days)
http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/video_fi...lled_1_3431382
Friday, March 14, 2014
12:48 PM

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In a statement released this morning [police] described the crash scene as ‘a considerable area’ that will need to be properly assessed in daylight. There remains a significant cordon around the site, which is standard practice for this type of incident.

“Police, along with our emergency service colleagues have been working through the night to secure the scene.

“At this time we do not know when the aircraft will be recovered. It is important that the public stay away from the area – the cordon is in place to allow our experts to carry out these processes safely.

There are two reasons why we have taken this action; the first is to allow investigators to assess whether there is any debris from the incident on the highway. The second is the close proximity of some of these roads to the crash site.”

At this morning’s press conference, Chief Inspector Stuart Armes, confirmed that the bodies of the four men remain at the site of the crash

He said he did not yet know if the aircraft would be recovered today, which was why it was so important that the public stayed away from the scene.

Chief Insp Armes would not be drawn on whether there had been a distress call from the helicopter before the crash, or whether there had been any time to try to save the victims before they died.

James Tuttle, 41, from nearby Geldeston, saw the helicopter come down. He said: “We used to see him coming and going in his helicopter from our back garden all the time. At about 7pm we noticed the helicopter coming in very low and at an unusual 45-degree angle. “We didn’t hear any bang or explosion - it just seemed to be flying in a strange way.
“The fog wasn’t that bad at the time - just patchy - it only got worse about an hour after the crash happened.”

Michael Tabby described how he joined last night’s search after hearing “a loud bang” and an engine subsiding.
He said: “I was outside McDonalds with my friend when we heard a helicopter coming in quite low.
“It sounded like it was in difficulty and was trying to land opposite where there is a private helicopter landing pad.
“It sounded as though it then tried to climb and crossed the road in the direction of Norwich and then there was a loud bang followed by the sound of an engine winding down.
“My friend called the police and we tried searching the fields opposite with two other men, but we could not find anything.”

Further eyewitness accounts were soon circulating on social networks.
One Twitter user, Andrew89mufc, described hearing the helicopter coming down near his house.
He wrote: “I live in Worlingham on Park Drive. My garden backs on to the woodland leading to Gillingham. I heard a helicopter circling the house for about 15 mins at around 7:45. This may have been air ambulance or police searching tho.”
A spokesman for the East of England Ambulance Service (EEAST) said it had been called at 7.45pm to reports of a helicopter crash near Gillingham, and sent two ambulance officers, three ambulances, two doctors and one rapid-response car.
She said: “Sadly, it is believed that four people in the helicopter have died in the crash. Ambulance resources have now been stood down from the scene. Our thoughts are with the family and friends of those who have lost their lives tonight.”
Lorraine Greenwood, who lives in Church Road, Gillingham, said: “From about eight o’clock therehave been loads of police cars, fire engines and ambulances going past here.
“I don’t think they were sure where it was in the fog because some were going round the roundabout and back again.
“I didn’t hear any crash, but I did see two other helicopters that looked like police helicopters circling.”
She added that the owner of Gillingham Hall had a helicopter.
She said: “He’s got a helipad there and he does fly in on a Thursday night.”
Taxi driver Mark Murray, 22, from Beccles, said: “There is a large stately home nearby and you often see helicopters coming and going from there. When they have a game shoot the guests often all arrive in separate helicopters.
“We don’t know if that is linked, but that’s the only helicopter activity we see in this area.”
A spokesman for the Air Accidents Investigation Branch said it would be sending a team to investigate.
So, Tuttle doesn't see anything untoward. Tabby just hears a bang and calls the police...Greenwood hears nothing.
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So, Tuttle doesn't see anything untoward. Tabby just hears a bang and calls the police...Greenwood hears nothing.
So what? Witnesses will always report different experiences of the same incident. The fact that one witness reports the helicopter was always "coming and going" supports my inclination that Haughey ("Lord Ballyedmond") was a frequent user of the chopper. Hence statistically more likely to have a crash sooner or later. Unforunately when it happened it was fatal.

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now, one in daylight. Why is the helicopter sitting on the lorry at all hours?

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/flight_v...gham_1_3440277
11:09 AM 16 March 2014

And now the big giveaway that all is not quite right here:

Detectives with specialist skills from the Norfolk and Suffolk Major Investigation team said on Friday they were satisfied there were no suspicious circumstances surrounding the incident.

Hmmmm


Accident search teams can be seen looking for vital clues that could help establish what caused an 18-month old £10.7m helicopter to crash killing everyone aboard

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-Norfolk.html



http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/village_...gedy_1_3435285
15 March 2014
11:25AM
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The bodies were removed from the helicopter at about 2pm yesterday. The helicopter will not be moved until a forensic investigation has taken place.

Chief Inspector Stuart Armes from Norfolk Police was unable to confirm that passengers put out a distress call or whether the foggy weather conditions played a part in the accident.

He said extra manpower had been called in from other counties and that officers were working to reopen the roads as soon as possible, which were closed due to concerns over scattered debris.

He said: “I imagine people are watching the news and are concerned about what is happening. This is a very, very rare incident and is something that we have to do our best to deal with.”
so, no private ambulance photos this time. Actually these helicopter "crashes" are getting to be very common.
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ITV's reporter Tanya Mercer was expecting "heavy lifting equipment to be brought in". What we got was a two-axle MAN lorry with hiab type truck mounted crane. No Clutha overkill here.
http://www.itv.com/news/anglia/updat...age-has-begun/

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"The helicopter in question was often used to ferry workers over the the hall, they were staying here as residents as well. They were doing all kinds of work up there." –
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The News on the radio Fri night stated that a high (fern type) tree had been damaged and an exact account of the damage to the tree/bush including sizes of branches ..I posted at the time on here.. ?

Gillingham hall is directly above where the 'incident' took place on the pic over the (Yamouth) road. The triangle shape to the right is where McDonalds is and a BP garage.


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So they took off possibly clipped the tree/bush and then tried to land back and it sounded wrong?

Where is the helipad in location to the house?

I would have thought a helipad surrounded by trees is unusual.
one of the more farcical photos in the Mail's trove:

followed by this psy-op-ish pic:


I can't believe a word of it.
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Is it known if the 'tree branch pic' is from the crash?

The fact they dismissed foul play so early on even before they had recovered the craft is rather premature and suspicious imo
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Is it known if the 'tree branch pic' is from the crash?

The fact they dismissed foul play so early on even before they had recovered the craft is rather premature and suspicious imo
Media manipulation....subtle suggestion leading one down the official narrative path. I'm still waiting for a normal helicopter crash, though not wishing one. None of these I have researched seems at all real. What really happened is anyone's guess. These are all mind games, testing our perception of images and narratives handed to the MSM for onward transmission.
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Media manipulation....subtle suggestion leading one down the official narrative path. I'm still waiting for a normal helicopter crash, though not wishing one. None of these I have researched seems at all real. What really happened is anyone's guess. These are all mind games, testing our perception of images and narratives handed to the MSM for onward transmission.
Good analysis.

In an open field the copter 'crashes' into trees and behind large straw bales ..

I wonder how many people heard the 'sounded odd' at Mc D's and the garage as it a very busy spot at that roundabout.
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c/n 31421 (from airframes.org)
https://www.caa.co.uk/application.as...llregmark=LBAL
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The location of the accident is interesting - thanks Silsoe. I suggest it is too far away from the take off location (assuming take off within the grounds and say 50m from the hall) for there to have been loss of control during the vertical climb through fog, as some are suggesting must have occurred.

must say I am surprised not to see evidence of a permanent helipad at the hall on Google Earth, though maybe it was built after the 2006 image. I would definitely want to have a hard surface to land a wheeled 139 on regularly.

What gets me is the lack of damage to the tail rotor, A main rotor hub showing powered operation & sudden stopage. And the hay bails that it ran through,sad indeed.

If you are rich enough to own a large estate and a helicopter, you are rich enough to provide a proper lit helicopter pad for night ops.

So what we know so far (won't use the word facts yet) The aircraft took off at night from a confined site/HP, the lone tallest tree within a few hundred metres of the site was chopped in half at a point just above the surrounding trees. The aircraft then contacted the ground in the field beyond and struck a substatial row of hay bales before coming to rest in the opposite direction. The crew knew this site well and recently.

I'm surprised how far the crash site is from the grounds of the hall, which I presume was the take off point

They would have been going at a pretty good clip at impact to shred the fuselage like that

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OK, here's my input.

(3500hrs helo, 1000N Sea. 12000hrs airline. I'm no expert. but equally no dummy)

I have not had time to read anything on this forum about this accident. I was away from home and the interntet when it occurred until now.

I was staying about a mile from the scene.

On Thursday afternoon I was at my place rather less than a mile from the accident site burning a bonfire at 1700 when I noticed an AW139 passing to the North of me, from W to E. I recognised it as an AW139 and it was clearly slowing and descending towards a landing, helos land at the hall regularly.
I mentioned to my oppo that I thought that they were probably returning from Cheltenham, even though it seemed rather early.


As a helo Professional I listened to the sound as the aircraft disappeared from sight and gained the impression - and here I must stress that what follows is no more than my impression - that the helo slowed and made various manoeuvres for an approach and landed. I then heard - I am quite certain, about three minutes of constant burning and turning, than an increase of noise as it took off again. I thought at the time that the noise then disappeared rather quickly but that is nothing to cause alert at the time.

Note that my sighting of the 139 was at 1700 with the helo travelling W to E to the N of me in perfect vis at my guess and clearly slowing. I soon lost visual but retained audible evidence which suggested an uneventful landing, Wind was Easterly at 3-5 kts, very light.

After c. three minutes burning and turning (as you might expect for a charter stop) I'm pretty certain I heard the helo lift and depart. I wonder if I did in fact? Refuel?

At 1840 I went out for supper and remarked to my oppo that Beccles (some 2 miles distant) had disappeared in the haze, and later on the drive it was clear that it was becoming misty and that fog was forming early. I thought it would be thick. Returning from the pub at 2100(yes, sad, I know) the fog was very thick indeed. Streetlights in Bungay only visible as you passed the previous one, so 30yards or so to see streetlights. In the Waveny valley 20mph was the max on the lanes. Vis at my place less than a mile from the accident site was the same. The fog was not patchy (8 mile drive) and my place is c. 30 ft above sea level and Gillingham Hall perhaps 20-30ft higher.

As I got out of the car I was immediately aware of at least two helos flying low and slow above and manoeuvering with a lot of blade slap. There was a full moon but it was only intermittently visible as a faint disk. I guess now they were ENG but there's no way they could have seen anything.

I worked for Haughy for a VERY short time and walked out due to ureasonable and dangerous pressure- I am one of very many both rotary and fixed wing!!

Whatever the cause, the AW139 is equipped with a FDR and a CVR and it's quite possible the pilots' own records are retrievable by the authorties. Let's give time and investigative teams a chance.

It would be interesting to know what was the departure time filled on the GAR Report against the actual take off time,

I live just a few miles from the crash site.Between Beccles and the coast,the crash site being about one mile west of the town.I was working in the garden all afternoon and only went in when it got dusk about 6pm.The three quarters full moon was clearly visible at 730 when I went back out to check on the bonfire that I had lit.

Gillingham though is beside the River Waveney and the fog forms there much more densely and often in patches.My guess is that they decided to fly and were in one of the less dense parts but quickly ran into a patch.My wife came in about seven and said she ran into some thick stuff that was clear after a couple of hundred metres. [why is everyone in Beccles lighting bonfires in March?]

There does not appear to me to be significant forward speed evident in the debris layout, and it is close to trees just over-flown.

Main rotor totally destroyed, tail rotor virtually intact.

FSX, On the subject you raise,BBC Look East this lunchtime showed footage of the aircraft taking off from Gillingham Hall.It struck me that it looked potentially quite tricky.They were using the lawn of the house and the whole site was surrounded by mature tall trees.I would imagine that in poor visibility it would be very easy to clip a branch on your way out. [interesting and strange footage for the BBC to have....]

Actually it belongs to his son, also Edward.

two from "lady Boss"
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Can some one please help me my husband was flying Norfolk to newly tonight?

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My husband flies G-LBAL any help please
Before 'her' posts were made it was fairly easy to get some quite in depth information about this incident and those possibly involved based on this thread alone, let alone the updating media reports.

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22:05 Augusta Westland
22:19 Norbrook 139
22:29 Based on the location and proximity of a private landing site, the identity of one male passenger is now being speculated
22:52 Haughy Air AW139 seems to be the way it's possibly heading
22:54 Haughy, Lord Ballyedmond, certainly owns Gillingham Hall
23:00 Sky reporting a Northern Ireland link
23:06 Lady Boss - Can some one please help me my husband was flying Norfolk to newly tonight?
23:32 Anyone know if XX was flying if it was indeed the Haughey 139?
23:59 Lady Boss - My husband flies G-LBAL any help please


'She' may well be genuine, however wouldn't it be better to call someone you know in the industry, or in the company, friends etc etc rather than post those sort of questions on here? As for 'her' reference to the registration number, surely something like "he flies for the company" would be more natural.

I would wonder how many press 'Aviation Experts' might have PPRuNe sleeper accounts?


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Anyone know if LH was flying if it was indeed the Haughey 139?
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Probably SAR
The hall is in a family trust, but the Hon Edward is the beneficiary.
Hmmmm

This is a suspicious photo, as at Clutha - the registration mark on wreckage placed for the cameras...
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From the blog

'There was a full moon but it was only intermittently visible as a faint disk. I guess now they were ENG but there's no way they could have seen anything'.

There wasn't a full moon until Sunday and one of the eyewitnesses states at the time he saw the copter from a distance thus possibly not dense thick fog at the time as claimed. The blog also states it could have clipped the tree (breaking a branch in half) which seems to be the spin..
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'There was a full moon but it was only intermittently visible as a faint disk. I guess now they were ENG but there's no way they could have seen anything'.

There wasn't a full moon until Sunday and one of the eyewitnesses states at the time he saw the copter from a distance thus possibly not dense thick fog at the time as claimed. The blog also states it could have clipped the tree (breaking a branch in half) which seems to be the spin..
yep, I only quote that forum because you sometimes get sharp technical observations (which in this case they seem to want to ignore). They also are the kind of people who don't ever consider that scams, hoaxes and drills are pulled off as being real events. That's their default setting - it's all as reported by the MSM, twitter, "witnesses" etc.

The very interesting point is that the main rotor was damaged, the tail rotor not. And the fact that the incident was a good distance from the take-off point - what it was doing clipping young trees in the hedge is bizarre.

I am also fascinated by the siting of that row of bales well inside the line of the hedge (not a thick wood, which those very long lens shots suggest) and the curious fresh ploughing behind the line of the bales. Pprune has also not picked up on the total lack of debris on the hay bales. or how much fuel the craft would have been carrying. [wonder where it refuels].

That broken branch is part of the official narrative. I'll keep my eye on their thoughts though...

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nobody wants to be identified....all looking down. Wonder why??[/QUOTE]

ever tried walking across a heavily ploughed and furrowed field without looking down and managing to stay on your feet??

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