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Old 09-06-2014, 11:49 AM   #41
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I don't think they can move onto your land and set up their drilling equipment.

But they can now frack underneath your property/land, and that is going to worry an awful lot of people who live in the countryside.

From the Guardian -

Current laws of trespass require land- and home-owners to give permission for shale gas and oil drilling under their land, but the government intends to end this requirement in order to speed up fracking. Drilling can extend up to 3km horizontally underground from a central well pad.

Greenpeace had set up a website where you could refuse permission in advance, but this new legislation has done away with that.

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Old 21-07-2014, 09:18 AM   #42
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Thumbs down DECC consultation

UK Dept. on Energy & Climate Change are currently "consulting" on this.
https://econsultation.decc.gov.uk/de...rilling-access
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The consultation examines the existing procedures by which companies who wish to extract oil, gas or geothermal energy obtain access rights to underground land, and the problems raised by these procedures.

Our preferred solution is presented, which consists of three elements: an underground right of access below 300m, a voluntary payment from industry and a notification for access. The voluntary payment would be supported by a statutory reserve power in the case that industry defaulted on their arrangement. Notification would be made in the form of public announcements to the community in question.
There is an online questionnaire, the main questions are:-
  • Should the Government legislate to provide access to gas, oil and geothermal developers below 300m?
  • Do you have an alternative solution?
  • Should Payment and Notification be voluntary (Industry proposed)?

My question is this. If this legislation goes through, what's to stop crowd-funded companies drilling the properties of those who put it through?
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Old 21-07-2014, 09:44 AM   #43
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I thought ALL land in UK belongs to the Crown anyway including that which your house is built on.

So don't see need for special bill as Queen owns it anyway

Or have I got this wrong?

Anyone know for sure?


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Old 21-07-2014, 09:49 AM   #44
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Can someone prove it then? So when someone buys a homestead with land they also pay for land so how can that then be Queen ownership?


Even a mortgage agreement cally the "owner" the tenant!


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Old 21-07-2014, 11:50 AM   #45
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Fracking is a cheap way of not buying stuff from russia. Doesnt it get more obvious with all the hate against russia. The elite are scared because they want to another war and dont want to lose energies
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Old 22-07-2014, 10:18 AM   #46
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Fracking is a cheap way of not buying stuff from russia. Doesnt it get more obvious with all the hate against russia. The elite are scared because they want to another war and dont want to lose energies
A little too "obvious" don't you think? Like we are being fed a particular narrative. The vast majority of Natural Gas used by the UK is Norwegian. It seems central Europe are likely to have supplies affected by the instability in Ukraine. These are the very countries that have moratoriums on Fracking in place, but ironically fund Fracking in UK.

Possibly Fracking is cheaper in the short term than Nuclear/Renewable alternatives, but it certainly isn't "cheap". All that Diesel to haul and drill and pump. All the steel and cement to line a hole a mile deep. I'm guessing the majority of Diesel in the UK comes from the Middle East?

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Old 22-07-2014, 10:52 AM   #47
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Fracking is a cheap way of not buying stuff from russia. Doesnt it get more obvious with all the hate against russia. The elite are scared because they want to another war and dont want to lose energies
I was lead to believe most of our gas comes from Jordan, half the price again as Russian gas as a buy off for uk bases ect in Jordan.
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Old 22-07-2014, 06:38 PM   #48
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The Queen/crown doesnt own the land, they think they do but they don't.

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Illusions of grandeur in this farcical 'reality'. The land belongs to the one who created it, along with everything else.

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Old 22-07-2014, 06:51 PM   #49
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Money talks, it always has, and it always will, they rape and pillage the land without giving a second thought about the damage and future ramifications, greedy bastards...

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Old 22-07-2014, 07:08 PM   #50
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"Everyone knows they're allowed to Frack, the Queen's said it."
That's what they want you to parrot and hence offer no resistance.

However, I think the Law is somewhat more complicated esp. where there's no precedent. Both at Balcombe and Barton Moss we've seen

Normally a Freehold contains a clause about allowing the free flow of water, sewage and services under the property. Also there's normally something about the free flow of air and not blocking out light. All of these things, however, are consistent with the residential use of the property. It seems to me that Fracking under a Residential property (or indeed Agricultural land) is directly contradictory to it's permitted use.
Good point. See how the bastards make it up as they go along? And who's going to compensate the home owners whose free flow of water becomes contaminated, and on older properties especially, when the structural damage as a result of this cock-eyed procedure becomes evident in updated surveyors reports? I suppose they'll introduce a new type of mandatory insurance or tax, on those unfortunate enough to find themselves in this position.

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