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Old 20-10-2008, 09:10 AM   #1
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I came across this on the rather excellent Public Defender site and wondered what people thought of the approach?
(your address)
(your address)
(your address)
(your address)
Attn: “Councillor bendy bob”
NOTICE TO ONE IS NOTICE TO ALL 23 September 08
CEO ******** Council
************* Council
(ADDRESS)
(ADDRESS)
(ADDRESS)
(ADDRESS)
[POST CODE] post code must kept in square brackets, this denoted non domestic or private
REF: EXTORTION

NOTICE OF UNDERSTANDING AND DISPUTE WITH INTENT
Dear Sir/Madam,
I am writing to you regarding the matter of refuse collection and scandalous fines used by the government and local councils to facilitate extortion of monies from the general populous.
It is my understanding that the United Kingdom operates in bankruptcy and that the “fiat currency” is just a promise to pay and,
It is my understanding that the United Kingdom, Parliament, all Councils, all so called public services, courts, police services and the ministry of justice itself are all privately run for profit corporations and can be found on the Dunn and Bradstreet listings.
It is also my understanding that an ACT/STATUTE is as defined below:
“A legislative rule of society given the force of law by the consent of the governed” (my emphasis)

I hereby serve you notice that I am personally outraged at the extend the government and councils of this “Bankrupt Country” are fraudulently using statute legislation to pay the debt it owes to the corrupt world banks and this oppression MUST now cease and,
I hereby give notice that as per the above legal definition of an act/statute, I unconditionally and completely withdraw my consent to any and all statute legislation that is used to levy and extort monies from myself and,

I hereby give you notice that I intend to enter into lawful rebellion by invoking my rights under Magna Carta 1215 article 61, and

I hereby give you notice that I will no longer stand under any rights the illegitimate authorities wish to bestow upon or grant to me, as it is my true belief that, as a human being, man or woman, I have unlimited rights already, and so I will NOT give up any of MY rights for the rights you offer in such limited scope for any reason and,
I hereby give notice that I withdraw my consent to stand under the stated below, but not limited to the acts and statutes:
1990 Environment Protection Act
2003 Anti Social Behaviour Act
2005 Clean Neighbourhoods and Environment Act
2000 Terrorism ACT

It is my intent to Issue this notice to all councils involved in my refuse collection and I will issue notice of my served notice, attaching said notice, to my bins for all to see.

Any failure to recognise my withdrawal of consent will result in a commercial administrative process being put in place against the Council or corporation and or Government, and

Furthermore it is my intent to enter into “lawful Rebellion” using my rights to do so under Magna Carta 1215 article 61, and

Furthermore it is my intent that if you dishonour my notice by attempting to issue any fines using the above statutes, I will charge a processing fee as per fee schedule below:
Receipt of fine, will result in counter claim, of fines cost plus the additional processing fee of £50.00.
Invasion of privacy, by way of going through my personal waste will result in a claim of £150.00
Neglect to empty my waste due to an alleged offence contained within any of the aforementioned statutes will result in a claim of £150.00

I hereby give you three(3) days to rebut this notice with a notice signed by your director or ceo under their full commercial liability and penalties of perjury, that all of the facts stated above are untrue, otherwise this notice becomes, in fact.


Yours sincerely




Witnesse
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Old 20-10-2008, 09:36 AM   #2
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That sounds ace mate- have you actually done it yet? I'd be interested to hear the outcome....
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Old 20-10-2008, 10:03 AM   #3
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That sounds ace mate- have you actually done it yet? I'd be interested to hear the outcome....
I only came across this today
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Old 20-10-2008, 10:08 AM   #4
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Thats not bad mate just make sure that you get it also to every relavant authority in your country.

There would be about 17 different people you will have to send letters by registered mail too. You have to hit them with all guns blazing otherwise it falls down.

This is one relevant to Australia.







STATEMENT OF CLAIM

I, addressed by the name Jane-Anne of the family commonly known as Doe, a free woman-on-the-Land standing in Yhwh - God Almighty’s Kingdom, claim the right that pursuant to any action by any government and/or any member thereof, in right of Australia, a corporation,

That I reserve my right not to be compelled to perform under any contract or commercial agreement that I did not enter knowingly, voluntarily and intentionally, and,

That I do not accept the liability of the compelled benefit of any unrevealed contract or commercial agreement which are my rights pursuant to common law.






Signed:____________________
Jane-Anne of the family commonly known as Doe

Dated:_____________________

Witness 1__________________
Name:

Witness 2 __________________
Name:
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Old 20-10-2008, 10:26 AM   #5
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Here is something that helps to stop the authority from entering your property for any thing.


private

property

keep

out

Trespassers

Will
Be

Prosecuted


Unless
by
prior
Arrangement
dillion vs plenty 1991


This is a legal document that when displayed at the front of your property be it rental or your own can be used in the court.


Check the Dillion Vs plenty 1991 thing with a lawer to see if it pertain to your country.


With this you can sue the ass of anyone that enters with out written agreement and of course you do not give consent because you do not enter into any contracts with anyone.


It's all about contract law


Read Mary Crofts book

HOW I CLOBBERED
EVERY BUREAUCRATIC
CASH-CONFISCATORY AGENCY
KNOWN TO MAN




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Old 20-10-2008, 10:31 AM   #6
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I came across this on the rather excellent Public Defender site and wondered what people thought of the approach?
(your address)
(your address)
(your address)
(your address)
Attn: “Councillor bendy bob”
NOTICE TO ONE IS NOTICE TO ALL 23 September 08
CEO ******** Council
************* Council
(ADDRESS)
(ADDRESS)
(ADDRESS)
(ADDRESS)
[POST CODE] post code must kept in square brackets, this denoted non domestic or private
REF: EXTORTION

NOTICE OF UNDERSTANDING AND DISPUTE WITH INTENT
Dear Sir/Madam,
I am writing to you regarding the matter of refuse collection and scandalous fines used by the government and local councils to facilitate extortion of monies from the general populous.
It is my understanding that the United Kingdom operates in bankruptcy and that the “fiat currency” is just a promise to pay and,
It is my understanding that the United Kingdom, Parliament, all Councils, all so called public services, courts, police services and the ministry of justice itself are all privately run for profit corporations and can be found on the Dunn and Bradstreet listings.
It is also my understanding that an ACT/STATUTE is as defined below:
“A legislative rule of society given the force of law by the consent of the governed” (my emphasis)

I hereby serve you notice that I am personally outraged at the extend the government and councils of this “Bankrupt Country” are fraudulently using statute legislation to pay the debt it owes to the corrupt world banks and this oppression MUST now cease and,
I hereby give notice that as per the above legal definition of an act/statute, I unconditionally and completely withdraw my consent to any and all statute legislation that is used to levy and extort monies from myself and,

I hereby give you notice that I intend to enter into lawful rebellion by invoking my rights under Magna Carta 1215 article 61, and

I hereby give you notice that I will no longer stand under any rights the illegitimate authorities wish to bestow upon or grant to me, as it is my true belief that, as a human being, man or woman, I have unlimited rights already, and so I will NOT give up any of MY rights for the rights you offer in such limited scope for any reason and,
I hereby give notice that I withdraw my consent to stand under the stated below, but not limited to the acts and statutes:
1990 Environment Protection Act
2003 Anti Social Behaviour Act
2005 Clean Neighbourhoods and Environment Act
2000 Terrorism ACT

It is my intent to Issue this notice to all councils involved in my refuse collection and I will issue notice of my served notice, attaching said notice, to my bins for all to see.

Any failure to recognise my withdrawal of consent will result in a commercial administrative process being put in place against the Council or corporation and or Government, and

Furthermore it is my intent to enter into “lawful Rebellion” using my rights to do so under Magna Carta 1215 article 61, and

Furthermore it is my intent that if you dishonour my notice by attempting to issue any fines using the above statutes, I will charge a processing fee as per fee schedule below:
Receipt of fine, will result in counter claim, of fines cost plus the additional processing fee of £50.00.
Invasion of privacy, by way of going through my personal waste will result in a claim of £150.00
Neglect to empty my waste due to an alleged offence contained within any of the aforementioned statutes will result in a claim of £150.00

I hereby give you three(3) days to rebut this notice with a notice signed by your director or ceo under their full commercial liability and penalties of perjury, that all of the facts stated above are untrue, otherwise this notice becomes, in fact.


Yours sincerely




Witnesse

holy crap thats great !

ive got a copy of the magnacarter .

if i find that this has credability


the implications of this could prove to be galactic .

and if they piss me off

i will use it !
and stand by it !
and make it publicly known too !

now no one can say we cant do anything about it !
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Old 20-10-2008, 04:56 PM   #7
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Old 20-10-2008, 05:36 PM   #8
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bump .....

this site you found is it this by any chance

http://www.tpuc.org/





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Old 20-10-2008, 07:09 PM   #9
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I tried to find the definition of statute that is quoted once but I couldnt.
Where is this definition found?
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Old 20-10-2008, 08:13 PM   #10
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Here is something that helps to stop the authority from entering your property for any thing.



This is a legal document that when displayed at the front of your property be it rental or your own can be used in the court.


Check the Dillion Vs plenty 1991 thing with a lawer to see if it pertain to your country.
http://www.brumbywatchaustralia.com/Principality20.htm

This is from Australian jurisdiction.

I don't think it would carry any weight in the UK,
even though they are both common law jurisdictions.
I hope I'm wrong! So....!

If anybody has a precedent case from the UK please post it.
If anybody can disagree with the understanding of full commercial liability
please post.
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Old 20-10-2008, 08:34 PM   #11
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Only 3 articles of the Magna Carta are still law today: One talks about the rights of the church, one about the rights of towns and cities and one about the right of a free person not to be imprisoned or exiled without being judged by a jury of his peers.

Also, technically, by virtue of the fact a person resides in this country, he or she implies agreement to the laws of the land.
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Old 20-10-2008, 10:51 PM   #12
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Only 3 articles of the Magna Carta are still law today: One talks about the rights of the church, one about the rights of towns and cities and one about the right of a free person not to be imprisoned or exiled without being judged by a jury of his peers.

Also, technically, by virtue of the fact a person resides in this country, he or she implies agreement to the laws of the land.
I believe that there is some dispute over this.
The 1297 version is the one on the Statute Law Database,
http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/content...filesize=58673
and it says:

"and to all [Freemen] of this our Realm, these Liberties following, to be kept in our Kingdom of England for ever."

The last two words being the pertinent ones.

However this version is not the original which is 1215.
http://www.constitution.org/eng/magnacar.htm

The original says:
"We have also granted to all freemen of our kingdom, for us and our heirs forever,
all the underwritten liberties, to be had and held by them and their heirs, of us and our heirs forever."


So it appears that even back then, the PTB did not like the fact that
there are more of 'us' than there are of 'them',
and started their jiggery pokery to suit themselves.

As 'The Law' always looks backwards for authority
(the created can never be greater than the creator,
as the created is merely a part of the creator)
then the original version (1215) should carry the greatest weight,
as it is the older version from which the 1297 version was created.
In any case, either version is beyond Parliament to alter,
as is the Bill of Rights 1689 ( from which MP's draw their authority to speak in the Commons today).
The original version says - well read it for yourselves.
It is interesting, and you will know for yourselves.
http://www.constitution.org/eng/magnacar.htm

IMHO

As many living breathing human beings as possible need to send a declaration
of lawful rebellion to Queen Elizabeth, at Buckingham Palace, a.s.a.p.

I do not believe she will reply, or even see the Notices.
However, when the pile of Notices gets too high to ignore,
action will be taken as below:

i) The march to fascism will be halted, and reversed.

ii) The PTB will clamp down on the people - like myself - who
have sent these Notices, calling attention to the fact that
'we' have had enough of their B*llsh*t, and have realised
(at last!) that we are sovereign entities, and are answerable to
only God/Consciousness/ The Universe/etc, and no another.

iii) There will be bloody civil war in the UK (and USA, Australia, Germany
France etc, etc), and millions will die, and nobody will 'win'.
The servants of the NWO will find themselves betrayed,
and thrown to the wolves - so to speak!

The policy enforcement officers (aka Police and Army)
will do whatever their senior officer commands,
because they can no longer think for themselves,
will unwittingly bring in the NWO at the expense of their own families.

And so I ask these questions:

To those that would kill us for not obeying:

What makes you think that you have the authority of the Universe/God/Consciousness etc?

How will you justify your actions if, say, you have to stand before e.g. God, and justify
why you destroyed a creation of the Universe to satisfy/polish your ego, when you die/pass over/etc.
We may be waiting for you!

Would you kill your own child if they took a similar defiant stance?

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the itinerant shrubber I tried to find the definition of statute that is quoted once but I couldnt.
Where is this definition found?

the one below explains it in simple terms .....



http://www.tpuc.org/node/317

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Death or Injury to others, Damage to another's property or using fraud in your contracts, ok these three very heavy crimes are all you can truly be guilty of YES its all you can truly be guilty of!!! Anything else is just STATUTE LAW and the simple to remember definition on this law is laws that only apply if you consent to them!! here look: Statute: "Legislative rule of society given the force of law by the consent of the governed". Yes look at the last four words, "CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED" that is you!! so if you don't consent then they cant do, yes I know what your thinking, but it is that simple. Ok officer walks up to you and says "can I ask you some questions" don't consent, ask him "what the nature is of the intended detention?" and record the conversation and let him see your doing this, use your mobile, 99% of the mobiles available today have recorders to go for it! If he says you cannot record this conversation, then what he is in fact saying is, yep you guessed it!! I don't consent to be recorded, so you simple say "Ok am I free to go?"



have you tried Blacks Dictionary of Law, not all the words we use everyday have the same meaning when it comes to what they mean in LAW.





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Old 21-10-2008, 04:29 PM   #14
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I'm sorry to dampen a lot of the upbeat talk on this thread but with the greatest respect there is a lot of misunderstanding and a fair deal of downright rubbish associated with this freeman business.

zarah is absolutely correct about Magna Carta. Look it up for yourselves - http://www.opsi.gov.uk/RevisedStatut...12970009_enm_1

You can also use this site to look up other UK statutes. As they actually are.
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Old 21-10-2008, 05:32 PM   #15
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I'm sorry to dampen a lot of the upbeat talk on this thread but with the greatest respect there is a lot of misunderstanding and a fair deal of downright rubbish associated with this freeman business.

zarah is absolutely correct about Magna Carta. Look it up for yourselves - http://www.opsi.gov.uk/RevisedStatut...12970009_enm_1

You can also use this site to look up other UK statutes. As they actually are.
I disagree, i believe its being ignorant to ones rights that is the problem, how can a statute be the law of the land when many people havn't agreed a contract?
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I disagree, i believe its being ignorant to ones rights that is the problem, how can a statute be the law of the land when many people havn't agreed a contract?

did he even look at my post, or he drowning in the main stream itself.

We must look at the "Bill of Rights"

I have spoken to serving law enforcement agents ...(who we did know as the police) and they agree that it is all about consent...

know your rights ...do not let someone else tell you them.


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(Clauses marked (+) are still valid under the charter of 1225, but with a few minor amendments. Clauses marked (*) were omitted in all later reissues of the charter. In the charter itself the clauses are not numbered, and the text reads continuously. The translation sets out to convey the sense rather than the precise wording of the original Latin.)

The Magna Carta

JOHN, by the grace of God King of England, Lord of Ireland, Duke of Normandy and Aquitaine, and Count of Anjou, to his archbishops, bishops, abbots, earls, barons, justices, foresters, sheriffs, stewards, servants, and to all his officials and loyal subjects, Greeting.


KNOW THAT BEFORE GOD, for the health of our soul and those of our ancestors and heirs, to the honour of God, the exaltation of the holy Church, and the better ordering of our kingdom, at the advice of our reverend fathers Stephen, archbishop of Canterbury, primate of all England, and cardinal of the holy Roman Church, Henry archbishop of Dublin, William bishop of London, Peter bishop of Winchester, Jocelin bishop of Bath and Glastonbury, Hugh bishop of Lincoln, Walter Bishop of Worcester, William bishop of Coventry, Benedict bishop of Rochester, Master Pandulf subdeacon and member of the papal household, Brother Aymeric master of the knighthood of the Temple in England, William Marshal earl of Pembroke, William earl of Salisbury, William earl of Warren, William earl of Arundel, Alan de Galloway constable of Scotland, Warin Fitz Gerald, Peter Fitz Herbert, Hubert de Burgh seneschal of Poitou, Hugh de Neville, Matthew Fitz Herbert, Thomas Basset, Alan Basset, Philip Daubeny, Robert de Roppeley, John Marshal, John Fitz Hugh, and other loyal subjects:

+ (1) FIRST, THAT WE HAVE GRANTED TO GOD, and by this present charter have confirmed for us and our heirs in perpetuity, that the English Church shall be free, and shall have its rights undiminished, and its liberties unimpaired. That we wish this so to be observed, appears from the fact that of our own free will, before the outbreak of the present dispute between us and our barons, we granted and confirmed by charter the freedom of the Church's elections - a right reckoned to be of the greatest necessity and importance to it - and caused this to be confirmed by Pope Innocent III. This freedom we shall observe ourselves, and desire to be observed in good faith by our heirs in perpetuity.

TO ALL FREE MEN OF OUR KINGDOM we have also granted, for us and our heirs for ever, all the liberties written out below, to have and to keep for them and their heirs, of us and our heirs:

(2) If any earl, baron, or other person that holds lands directly of the Crown, for military service, shall die, and at his death his heir shall be of full age and owe a `relief', the heir shall have his inheritance on payment of the ancient scale of `relief'. That is to say, the heir or heirs of an earl shall pay £100 for the entire earl's barony, the heir or heirs of a knight l00s. at most for the entire knight's `fee', and any man that owes less shall pay less, in accordance with the ancient usage of `fees'

(3) But if the heir of such a person is under age and a ward, when he comes of age he shall have his inheritance without `relief' or fine.

(4) The guardian of the land of an heir who is under age shall take from it only reasonable revenues, customary dues, and feudal services. He shall do this without destruction or damage to men or property. If we have given the guardianship of the land to a sheriff, or to any person answerable to us for the revenues, and he commits destruction or damage, we will exact compensation from him, and the land shall be entrusted to two worthy and prudent men of the same `fee', who shall be answerable to us for the revenues, or to the person to whom we have assigned them. If we have given or sold to anyone the guardianship of such land, and he causes destruction or damage, he shall lose the guardianship of it, and it shall be handed over to two worthy and prudent men of the same `fee', who shall be similarly answerable to us.

(5) For so long as a guardian has guardianship of such land, he shall maintain the houses, parks, fish preserves, ponds, mills, and everything else pertaining to it, from the revenues of the land itself. When the heir comes of age, he shall restore the whole land to him, stocked with plough teams and such implements of husbandry as the season demands and the revenues from the land can reasonably bear.

(6) Heirs may be given in marriage, but not to someone of lower social standing. Before a marriage takes place, it shall be' made known to the heir's next-of-kin.

(7) At her husband's death, a widow may have her marriage portion and inheritance at once and without trouble. She shall pay nothing for her dower, marriage portion, or any inheritance that she and her husband held jointly on the day of his death. She may remain in her husband's house for forty days after his death, and within this period her dower shall be assigned to her.

( No widow shall be compelled to marry, so long as she wishes to remain without a husband. But she must give security that she will not marry without royal consent, if she holds her lands of the Crown, or without the consent of whatever other lord she may hold them of.

(9) Neither we nor our officials will seize any land or rent in payment of a debt, so long as the debtor has movable goods sufficient to discharge the debt. A debtor's sureties shall not be distrained upon so long as the debtor himself can discharge his debt. If, for lack of means, the debtor is unable to discharge his debt, his sureties shall be answerable for it. If they so desire, they may have the debtor's lands and rents until they have received satisfaction for the debt that they paid for him, unless the debtor can show that he has settled his obligations to them.

* (10) If anyone who has borrowed a sum of money from Jews dies before the debt has been repaid, his heir shall pay no interest on the debt for so long as he remains under age, irrespective of whom he holds his lands. If such a debt falls into the hands of the Crown, it will take nothing except the principal sum specified in the bond.

* (11) If a man dies owing money to Jews, his wife may have her dower and pay nothing towards the debt from it. If he leaves children that are under age, their needs may also be provided for on a scale appropriate to the size of his holding of lands. The debt is to be paid out of the residue, reserving the service due to his feudal lords. Debts owed to persons other than Jews are to be dealt with similarly.

* (12) No `scutage' or `aid' may be levied in our kingdom without its general consent, unless it is for the ransom of our person, to make our eldest son a knight, and (once) to marry our eldest daughter. For these purposes ouly a reasonable `aid' may be levied. `Aids' from the city of London are to be treated similarly.

+ (13) The city of London shall enjoy all its ancient liberties and free customs, both by land and by water. We also will and grant that all other cities, boroughs, towns, and ports shall enjoy all their liberties and free customs.

* (14) To obtain the general consent of the realm for the assessment of an `aid' - except in the three cases specified above - or a `scutage', we will cause the archbishops, bishops, abbots, earls, and greater barons to be summoned individually by letter. To those who hold lands directly of us we will cause a general summons to be issued, through the sheriffs and other officials, to come together on a fixed day (of which at least forty days notice shall be given) and at a fixed place. In all letters of summons, the cause of the summons will be stated. When a summons has been issued, the business appointed for the day shall go forward in accordance with the resolution of those present, even if not all those who were summoned have appeared.

* (15) In future we will allow no one to levy an `aid' from his free men, except to ransom his person, to make his eldest son a knight, and (once) to marry his eldest daughter. For these purposes only a reasonable `aid' may be levied.

(16) No man shall be forced to perform more service for a knight's `fee', or other free holding of land, than is due from it.

(17) Ordinary lawsuits shall not follow the royal court around, but shall be held in a fixed place.

(1 Inquests of novel disseisin, mort d'ancestor, and darrein presentment shall be taken only in their proper county court. We ourselves, or in our absence abroad our chief justice, will send two justices to each county four times a year, and these justices, with four knights of the county elected by the county itself, shall hold the assizes in the county court, on the day and in the place where the court meets.

(19) If any assizes cannot be taken on the day of the county court, as many knights and freeholders shall afterwards remain behind, of those who have attended the court, as will suffice for the administration of justice, having regard to the volume of business to be done.

(20) For a trivial offence, a free man shall be fined only in proportion to the degree of his offence, and for a serious offence correspondingly, but not so heavily as to deprive him of his livelihood. In the same way, a merchant shall be spared his merchandise, and a husbandman the implements of his husbandry, if they fall upon the mercy of a royal court. None of these fines shall be imposed except by the assessment on oath of reputable men of the neighbourhood.

(21) Earls and barons shall be fined only by their equals, and in proportion to the gravity of their offence.

(22) A fine imposed upon the lay property of a clerk in holy orders shall be assessed upon the same principles, without reference to the value of his ecclesiastical benefice.

(23) No town or person shall be forced to build bridges over rivers except those with an ancient obligation to do so.

(24) No sheriff, constable, coroners, or other royal officials are to hold lawsuits that should be held by the royal justices.

* (25) Every county, hundred, wapentake, and tithing shall remain at its ancient rent, without increase, except the royal demesne manors.

(26) If at the death of a man who holds a lay `fee' of the Crown, a sheriff or royal official produces royal letters patent of summons for a debt due to the Crown, it shall be lawful for them to seize and list movable goods found in the lay `fee' of the dead man to the value of the debt, as assessed by worthy men. Nothing shall be removed until the whole debt is paid, when the residue shall be given over to the executors to carry out the dead man s will. If no debt is due to the Crown, all the movable goods shall be regarded as the property of the dead man, except the reasonable shares of his wife and children.

* (27) If a free man dies intestate, his movable goods are to be distributed by his next-of-kin and friends, under the supervision of the Church. The rights of his debtors are to be preserved.

(2 No constable or other royal official shall take corn or other movable goods from any man without immediate payment, unless the seller voluntarily offers postponement of this.

(29) No constable may compel a knight to pay money for castle-guard if the knight is willing to undertake the guard in person, or with reasonable excuse to supply some other fit man to do it. A knight taken or sent on military service shall be excused from castle-guard for the period of this servlce.

(30) No sheriff, royal official, or other person shall take horses or carts for transport from any free man, without his consent.

(31) Neither we nor any royal official will take wood for our castle, or for any other purpose, without the consent of the owner.

(32) We will not keep the lands of people convicted of felony in our hand for longer than a year and a day, after which they shall be returned to the lords of the `fees' concerned.

(33) All fish-weirs shall be removed from the Thames, the Medway, and throughout the whole of England, except on the sea coast.

(34) The writ called precipe shall not in future be issued to anyone in respect of any holding of land, if a free man could thereby be deprived of the right of trial in his own lord's court.

(35) There shall be standard measures of wine, ale, and corn (the London quarter), throughout the kingdom. There shall also be a standard width of dyed cloth, russett, and haberject, namely two ells within the selvedges. Weights are to be standardised similarly.

(36) In future nothing shall be paid or accepted for the issue of a writ of inquisition of life or limbs. It shall be given gratis, and not refused.

(37) If a man holds land of the Crown by `fee-farm', `socage', or `burgage', and also holds land of someone else for knight's service, we will not have guardianship of his heir, nor of the land that belongs to the other person's `fee', by virtue of the `fee-farm', `socage', or `burgage', unless the `fee-farm' owes knight's service. We will not have the guardianship of a man's heir, or of land that he holds of someone else, by reason of any small property that he may hold of the Crown for a service of knives, arrows, or the like.

(3 In future no official shall place a man on trial upon his own unsupported statement, without producing credible witnesses to the truth of it.

+ (39) No free man shall be seized or imprisoned, or stripped of his rights or possessions, or outlawed or exiled, or deprived of his standing in any other way, nor will we proceed with force against him, or send others to do so, except by the lawful judgement of his equals or by the law of the land.

+ (40) To no one will we sell, to no one deny or delay right or justice.

(41) All merchants may enter or leave England unharmed and without fear, and may stay or travel within it, by land or water, for purposes of trade, free from all illegal exactions, in accordance with ancient and lawful customs. This, however, does not apply in time of war to merchants from a country that is at war with us. Any such merchants found in our country at the outbreak of war shall be detained without injury to their persons or property, until we or our chief justice have discovered how our own merchants are being treated in the country at war with us. If our own merchants are safe they shall be safe too.

* (42) In future it shall be lawful for any man to leave and return to our kingdom unharmed and without fear, by land or water, preserving his allegiance to us, except in time of war, for some short period, for the common benefit of the realm. People that have been imprisoned or outlawed in accordance with the law of the land, people from a country that is at war with us, and merchants - who shall be dealt with as stated above - are excepted from this provision.

(43) If a man holds lands of any `escheat' such as the `honour' of Wallingford, Nottingham, Boulogne, Lancaster, or of other `escheats' in our hand that are baronies, at his death his heir shall give us only the `relief' and service that he would have made to the baron, had the barony been in the baron's hand. We will hold the `escheat' in the same manner as the baron held it.

(44) People who live outside the forest need not in future appear before the royal justices of the forest in answer to general summonses, unless they are actually involved in proceedings or are sureties for someone who has been seized for a forest offence.

* (45) We will appoint as justices, constables, sheriffs, or other officials, only men that know the law of the realm and are minded to keep it well.

(46) All barons who have founded abbeys, and have charters of English kings or ancient tenure as evidence of this, may have guardianship of them when there is no abbot, as is their due.

(47) All forests that have been created in our reign shall at once be disafforested. River-banks that have been enclosed in our reign shall be treated similarly.

* (4 All evil customs relating to forests and warrens, foresters, warreners, sheriffs and their servants, or river-banks and their wardens, are at once to be investigated in every county by twelve sworn knights of the county, and within forty days of their enquiry the evil customs are to be abolished completely and irrevocably. But we, or our chief justice if we are not in England, are first to be informed.

* (49) We will at once return all hostages and charters delivered up to us by Englishmen as security for peace or for loyal service.

* (50) We will remove completely from their offices the kinsmen of Gerard de Athée, and in future they shall hold no offices in England. The people in question are Engelard de Cigogné', Peter, Guy, and Andrew de Chanceaux, Guy de Cigogné, Geoffrey de Martigny and his brothers, Philip Marc and his brothers, with Geoffrey his nephew, and all their followers.

* (51) As soon as peace is restored, we will remove from the kingdom all the foreign knights, bowmen, their attendants, and the mercenaries that have come to it, to its harm, with horses and arms.

* (52) To any man whom we have deprived or dispossessed of lands, castles, liberties, or rights, without the lawful judgement of his equals, we will at once restore these. In cases of dispute the matter shall be resolved by the judgement of the twenty-five barons referred to below in the clause for securing the peace (§ 61). In cases, however, where a man was deprived or dispossessed of something without the lawful judgement of his equals by our father King Henry or our brother King Richard, and it remains in our hands or is held by others under our warranty, we shall have respite for the period commonly allowed to Crusaders, unless a lawsuit had been begun, or an enquiry had been made at our order, before we took the Cross as a Crusader. On our return from the Crusade, or if we abandon it, we will at once render justice in full.

* (53) We shall have similar respite in rendering justice in connexion with forests that are to be disafforested, or to remain forests, when these were first a-orested by our father Henry or our brother Richard; with the guardianship of lands in another person's `fee', when we have hitherto had this by virtue of a `fee' held of us for knight's service by a third party; and with abbeys founded in another person's `fee', in which the lord of the `fee' claims to own a right. On our return from the Crusade, or if we abandon it, we will at once do full justice to complaints about these matters.

(54) No one shall be arrested or imprisoned on the appeal of a woman for the death of any person except her husband.

* (55) All fines that have been given to us unjustiy and against the law of the land, and all fines that we have exacted unjustly, shall be entirely remitted or the matter decided by a majority judgement of the twenty-five barons referred to below in the clause for securing the peace (§ 61) together with Stephen, archbishop of Canterbury, if he can be present, and such others as he wishes to bring with him. If the archbishop cannot be present, proceedings shall continue without him, provided that if any of the twenty-five barons has been involved in a similar suit himself, his judgement shall be set aside, and someone else chosen and sworn in his place, as a substitute for the single occasion, by the rest of the twenty-five.

(56) If we have deprived or dispossessed any Welshmen of lands, liberties, or anything else in England or in Wales, without the lawful judgement of their equals, these are at once to be returned to them. A dispute on this point shall be determined in the Marches by the judgement of equals. English law shall apply to holdings of land in England, Welsh law to those in Wales, and the law of the Marches to those in the Marches. The Welsh shall treat us and ours in the same way.

* (57) In cases where a Welshman was deprived or dispossessed of anything, without the lawful judgement of his equals, by our father King Henry or our brother King Richard, and it remains in our hands or is held by others under our warranty, we shall have respite for the period commonly allowed to Crusaders, unless a lawsuit had been begun, or an enquiry had been made at our order, before we took the Cross as a Crusader. But on our return from the Crusade, or if we abandon it, we will at once do full justice according to the laws of Wales and the said regions.

* (5 We will at once return the son of Llywelyn, all Welsh hostages, and the charters delivered to us as security for the peace.

* (59) With regard to the return of the sisters and hostages of Alexander, king of Scotland, his liberties and his rights, we will treat him in the same way as our other barons of England, unless it appears from the charters that we hold from his father William, formerly king of Scotland, that he should be treated otherwise. This matter shall be resolved by the judgement of his equals in our court.

(60) All these customs and liberties that we have granted shall be observed in our kingdom in so far as concerns our own relations with our subjects. Let all men of our kingdom, whether clergy or laymen, observe them similarly in their relations with their own men.

* (61) SINCE WE HAVE GRANTED ALL THESE THINGS for God, for the better ordering of our kingdom, and to allay the discord that has arisen between us and our barons, and since we desire that they shall be enjoyed in their entirety, with lasting strength, for ever, we give and grant to the barons the following security:

The barons shall elect twenty-five of their number to keep, and cause to be observed with all their might, the peace and liberties granted and confirmed to them by this charter.
If we, our chief justice, our officials, or any of our servants offend in any respect against any man, or transgress any of the articles of the peace or of this security, and the offence is made known to four of the said twenty-five barons, they shall come to us - or in our absence from the kingdom to the chief justice - to declare it and claim immediate redress. If we, or in our absence abroad the chiefjustice, make no redress within forty days, reckoning from the day on which the offence was declared to us or to him, the four barons shall refer the matter to the rest of the twenty-five barons, who may distrain upon and assail us in every way possible, with the support of the whole community of the land, by seizing our castles, lands, possessions, or anything else saving only our own person and those of the queen and our children, until they have secured such redress as they have determined upon. Having secured the redress, they may then resume their normal obedience to us.

Any man who so desires may take an oath to obey the commands of the twenty-five barons for the achievement of these ends, and to join with them in assailing us to the utmost of his power. We give public and free permission to take this oath to any man who so desires, and at no time will we prohibit any man from taking it. Indeed, we will compel any of our subjects who are unwilling to take it to swear it at our command.

If-one of the twenty-five barons dies or leaves the country, or is prevented in any other way from discharging his duties, the rest of them shall choose another baron in his place, at their discretion, who shall be duly sworn in as they were.

In the event of disagreement among the twenty-five barons on any matter referred to them for decision, the verdict of the majority present shall have the same validity as a unanimous verdict of the whole twenty-five, whether these were all present or some of those summoned were unwilling or unable to appear.

The twenty-five barons shall swear to obey all the above articles faithfully, and shall cause them to be obeyed by others to the best of their power.

We will not seek to procure from anyone, either by our own efforts or those of a third party, anything by which any part of these concessions or liberties might be revoked or diminished. Should such a thing be procured, it shall be null and void and we will at no time make use of it, either ourselves or through a third party.

* (62) We have remitted and pardoned fully to all men any ill-will, hurt, or grudges that have arisen between us and our subjects, whether clergy or laymen, since the beginning of the dispute. We have in addition remitted fully, and for our own part have also pardoned, to all clergy and laymen any offences committed as a result of the said dispute between Easter in the sixteenth year of our reign (i.e. 1215) and the restoration of peace.

In addition we have caused letters patent to be made for the barons, bearing witness to this security and to the concessions set out above, over the seals of Stephen archbishop of Canterbury, Henry archbishop of Dublin, the other bishops named above, and Master Pandulf.

* (63) IT IS ACCORDINGLY OUR WISH AND COMMAND that the English Church shall be free, and that men in our kingdom shall have and keep all these liberties, rights, and concessions, well and peaceably in their fulness and entirety for them and their heirs, of us and our heirs, in all things and all places for ever.

Both we and the barons have sworn that all this shall be observed in good faith and without deceit. Witness the abovementioned people and many others.

Given by our hand in the meadow that is called Runnymede, between Windsor and Staines, on the fifteenth day of June in the seventeenth year of our reign (i.e. 1215: the new regnal year began on 28 May).

Source and Further Information
G. R. C. Davis, Magna Carta, Revised Edition, British Library, 1989.
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Old 21-10-2008, 07:02 PM   #18
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I'm sorry to dampen a lot of the upbeat talk on this thread but with the greatest respect there is a lot of misunderstanding and a fair deal of downright rubbish associated with this freeman business.

zarah is absolutely correct about Magna Carta. Look it up for yourselves - http://www.opsi.gov.uk/RevisedStatut...12970009_enm_1

You can also use this site to look up other UK statutes. As they actually are.
that link is a link to a governmet web site.
it is that same government that is acting unlawfully so those laws are not valid.
by revoking the magna carta and/or the bill of rights is unlawfull in its self.
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I'm sorry to dampen a lot of the upbeat talk on this thread but with the greatest respect there is a lot of misunderstanding and a fair deal of downright rubbish associated with this freeman business.

zarah is absolutely correct about Magna Carta. Look it up for yourselves - http://www.opsi.gov.uk/RevisedStatut...12970009_enm_1

You can also use this site to look up other UK statutes. As they actually are.
Could you explain what is the "downright rubbish associated with this freeman business" please?

The PTB don't follow their own rules i.e. statute law,
so it is fair to say that there is a lot of downright rubbish associated
with statute law.

The Magna Carta is on the Statute books but, as mentioned above,
it is the 1297 and not the original 1215 version.

The fact that the charter was altered from the original is proof
that the PTB don't follow their own rules if any were needed.

If more and more people bring the 1215 to prominence,
and refuse to consent to the demigods of 'the system',
what do you think will happen?

I read that it was the Magna Carta principle that was used
to obtain the release of the Guantanamo Bay Prisoners.
The latest 42 day detention attempt (or even the present 28 day)
flies in the face of Magna Carta, which is one of the founding documents
of our society, as is the Bill Of Rights 1689.

These laws were used to set up Parliament,
and so Parliament CANNOT alter them
(the created cannot be greater than the creator argument).

What is needed - IMHO - is a way to simply arrest the
treasonous actors in government today,
i.e. Brown, Milliband, BLiar, Hoon, Straw, Blunkett, Reed, Smith et al
for systematically destroying the rights of the UK people under Magna Carta.

The police don't stick to the law - only when it suits.
The police break the law, and then compound that crime
by trying to cover up - perverting the course of justice - and they
expect US to be good and 'do as we are told'!

The Freeman route might as well be used and followed.
The PTB don't stick to their rules, so what have we to loose?

Ooops! I know. The corporate nob polishers that inhabit
town halls, council offices, and plastic policemen for starters.

I have said before, if the rebellion isn't peaceful, the revolution will be bloody.
Not a single oppressive regime has ever survived more than a few years.
Every one of them has perished via it's own people destroying it.
EVERY SINGLE ONE!
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I'm sorry to dampen a lot of the upbeat talk on this thread but with the greatest respect there is a lot of misunderstanding and a fair deal of downright rubbish associated with this freeman business.
That's like saying 911 was done by arabs with boxcutters, ordered by Bin Laden. Baron Von Lotsov is of the same opinion as yourself, but he refuses to look in to the Freeman movement. Don't be like him, use your brain mate. It's good that you doubt and question, but the evidence is out there to prove Statutes & Acts require our consent.

Think about it. Natural Law says we are all equal, this is part of our Common Law. Therefore, what gives someone the right to impose themselves on you under the guise of 'authority' when you have done no wrong! This is how the LAW works. So, if your're not doing anything wrong, they can't make any money out of you. They can not lawfully take your property from you, so the only way they can get anything from you is through commerce. Remember these are lazy people and think they are above a bit of manual labour. So they create a system to entrap you into paying them money. That's all it is mate, nothing more. They get us to go along with it all through propaganda, just like they use everwhere else in their world domination agenda.

Statutes and Acts are just another form of making money from us. It's all technicalities to get you breaking rules, so they can make money from you and if you don't break the rules then they have you as a total slave to that system.

That's all it is.

Statutes and acts are not about doing the right thing, as is our Common Law. It's just there to enslave us, all under the usual bollocks of it's for the good of society!

It's easy to see when you look into it deeper!
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