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Old 04-12-2014, 09:49 AM   #21
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Respect, @swamideva - Thanks to your eloquence, you are excellent at getting a point across; and so I think are waking up a lot of people here You could do with a YouTube vlog. It could be a hit!!

I agree with you about Bashar and his solipsistic(?) world view.. It is in direct opposition to Mark Passio's teaching of "New Age Bullshit".

You know.. I have never been able to watch Bashar for any real length of time. It's his whole vibe, man. To watch him as an energetically sensitive person, He comes across to me as aggressive and abrupt. Qualities never found in other, gentler channels I have been watching. He hardly has an heir of grace about him.

I'm on the fence about Bashar.

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You know.. I have never been able to watch Bashar for any real length of time. It's his whole vibe, man. To watch him as an energetically sensitive person, He comes across to me as aggressive and abrupt. Qualities never found in other, gentler channels I have been watching. He hardly has an heir of grace about him.

I'm on the fence about Bashar.
How dare you! He's a contact specialist! Know your place human!

Mark Passio? Really?
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Old 04-12-2014, 10:33 AM   #23
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Respect, @swamideva - Thanks to your eloquence, you are excellent at getting a point across; and so I think are waking a lot of people up here You could do with a YouTube vlog. It could be a hit!!

I agree with you about Bashar and his solipsistic(?) world view.. It is in direct opposition to Mark Passio's teaching of "New Age Bullshit".

You know.. I have never been able to watch Bashar for any real length of time. It's his whole vibe, man. To watch him as an energetically sensitive person, He comes across to me as aggressive and abrupt. Qualities never found in other, gentler channels I have been watching. He hardly has an heir of grace about him.

I'm on the fence about Bashar.
Thank you i appreciate you comments, as for solipsism, i started a thread.
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Would the adherents of Bashar kindly offer evidence to prove his message is not solipsistic.
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Old 04-12-2014, 10:55 AM   #25
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Would the adherents of Bashar kindly offer evidence to prove his message is not solipsistic.
I've no idea what solipsism is.... but I get the idea very few people actually try any of these ideas in practice in their lives.

They come across ideas , think about them, and come to an OPINION.

These ideas are very provably true , if people get out of their heads and just try them to see if they work.
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I've no idea what solipsism is.... but I get the idea very few people actually try any of these ideas in practice in their lives.

They come across ideas , think about them, and come to an OPINION.

These ideas are very provably true , if people get out of their heads and just try them to see if they work.
I actually listened/watched/read quite a lot of his material and found it pretty interesting.
If anything what he's promoting the most is for individuals to take control over their lives and follow what excites them in a good way. Of course some immediately interpret that as burying your head in the sand and becoming ignorant to the world around you.

Seems like OP watched a video on youtube and completely misunderstood what he/she heard - that example with Saville was completely off the mark.
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This thread is about Bashar and solipsism. This is being avoided.

It seems like the followers of Bashar need a good reality check.

I recommend.



followers of anyone need a reality check. passio is no more enlightened than the next guy.
nature is reality. go for a walk and if nature doesn't provide an answer accept some mystery. it doesn't hurt you know, a little mystery.
all these men are the same. they are men and know no more than any other. a funny thing about meditation...being able to dicern what one experiences is difficult if one doesn't know in the first place what they are eperiencing. for instance: was that an out of body experience or just extension of senses? big difference. but then people choose to believe a thing and then theres imagination coming into play. very powerful is imagination. especially if one is carrying around beliefs and think they know what they are experiencing. unbiased observation is all thats required. the universe really isn't that complicated. thats what beliefs are for, complication. and someone always benifits from those complications. i tend to ignore any man who tells me "the way" lies out side of nature or that the nature of things is hidden in some esoteric bs. i mean, thats your first clue that someone is spouting bs. nature hides nothing. ignorance of nature may make it look like things are hidden, but they are not. look at it this way. biology is the mechanism by which the universe becomes aware. chemistry is the mechanism of biology. physics is the mechanism of chemistry. math is the mechanism of physics (that math thing is an interesting observation init? kind of implies something...). but what does it all mean? how should i know? i am just a man. there are still some mysteries. but i wont take someone elses word for that mystery. simply because they aren't qualified. no one is.

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Old 04-12-2014, 12:08 PM   #28
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People don't like Solipsism because they want to stay in the fear/paranoia duality mindset. They want to keep talking about reptillians and other external delusions.

In Bashar's message he dispels all that, for example by saying 'just shift to a reality where the Illuminati does not exist'.

The Polarity of Good Vs Evil does not exist, only the singular direction/signature vibration of your highest excitement matters. The only thing you need to measure is how aligned you are with your signature vibration 'True Self', this then gets projected as the external reality that you experience.

You are shifting all the time, but only notice it when you make a large enough shift to recognize it, you make these significant shifts by changing your deep held beliefs and definitions. It takes some inner therapeutic work.

Keep in mind that this spiritual solipsism/law of attraction thing is not something that you attempt for 5 minutes at a time and then give up on. It may be marketed that way 'instant results' etc... but that is not how it works, it needs to become an auto-pilot background practice in your life, it's not about 'doing', rather it's about 'being' and beingness. You wouldn't go up to a young Buddhist monk who has been sweeping up around the ashram for 10 years and ask him why he isn't enlightened yet, so why do this to people practicing law of attraction? Asking them where is their new Ferrari etc...

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i have seen no evidences of any of these beliefs. to me its all the same.
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Also keep in mind that Bashar has stated that in the Fall of 2016 'Everything Changes', so he has formally put his neck out there with a prediction. His credibility will hinge on it for sure. This is part of the timeline he calls 'The Acceleration' where this law of attraction/solipsism thing gets easier and easier.
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People don't like Solipsism because they want to stay in the fear/paranoia duality mindset. They want to keep talking about reptillians and other external delusions.

In Bashar's message he dispels all that, for example by saying 'just shift to a reality where the Illuminati does not exist'.

The Polarity of Good Vs Evil does not exist, only the singular direction/signature vibration of your highest excitement matters. The only thing you need to measure is how aligned you are with your signature vibration 'True Self', this then gets projected as the external reality that you experience.

You are shifting all the time, but only notice it when you make a large enough shift to recognize it, you make these significant shifts by changing your deep held beliefs and definitions. It takes some inner therapeutic work.

Keep in mind that this spiritual solipsism/law of attraction thing is not something that you attempt for 5 minutes at a time and then give up on. It may be marketed that way 'instant results' etc... but that is not how it works, it needs to become an auto-pilot background practice in your life, it's not about 'doing', rather it's about 'being' and beingness. You wouldn't go up to a young Buddhist monk who has been sweeping up around the ashram for 10 years and ask him why he isn't enlightened yet, so why do this to people practicing law of attraction? Asking them where is their new Ferrari etc...

If you want to experience Bashar properly, then listen to the following sessions in full. You can skip the Q&A portions at the end.

Beyond the Secret
Slipstream
The Simultaneity of Existence
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You Should also Read These Posts To Help Get Started:
Primer On Creating Your Own Reality: http://www.reddit.com/r/natureofreal...r_own_reality/
How to manifest from the Heart: http://www.reddit.com/r/natureofreal...rom_the_heart/
How to tell if you're projecting your own reality?: http://www.reddit.com/r/natureofreal...r_own_reality/
I don't know anything about Bashar other than what's written in this thread, but this post makes sense to me.

It's difficult not to be somewhat solipsistic when the universe appears to communicate directly with you. Holding a position of no beliefs is as good a remedy as I've found.
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followers of anyone need a reality check. passio is no more enlightened than the next guy.
nature is reality. go for a walk and if nature doesn't provide an answer accept some mystery. it doesn't hurt you know, a little mystery.
all these men are the same. they are men and know no more than any other. a funny thing about meditation...being able to dicern what one experiences is difficult if one doesn't know in the first place what they are eperiencing. for instance: was that an out of body experience or just extension of senses? big difference. but then people choose to believe a thing and then theres imagination coming into play. very powerful is imagination. especially if one is carrying around beliefs and think they know what they are experiencing. unbiased observation is all thats required. the universe really isn't that complicated. thats what beliefs are for, complication. and someone always benifits from those complications. i tend to ignore any man who tells me "the way" lies out side of nature or that the nature of things is hidden in some esoteric bs. i mean, thats your first clue that someone is spouting bs. nature hides nothing. ignorance of nature may make it look like things are hidden, but they are not. look at it this way. biology is the mechanism by which the universe becomes aware. chemistry is the mechanism of biology. physics is the mechanism of chemistry. math is the mechanism of physics (that math thing is an interesting observation init? kind of implies something...). but what does it all mean? how should i know? i am just a man. there are still some mysteries. but i wont take someone elses word for that mystery. simply because they aren't qualified. no one is.
As you say there is a wonderful connection to be be found in nature. It is a great teacher. Though you must admit that humanities understanding of nature has been perverted though thousands of years of conditioning.

There is a knowledge of natural law and human psychology that has been hidden from us, and in turn used against us. As we stand idly by and watch nature be polluted and the Earth our mother raped.

His videos are long because deeply inbred and generational conditioned brainwashing cannot be overcome overnight. His message is simple, his vision is broad and expansive because the nature of our manipulation is the same, there is no area of our psyche or existence that has not been defiled by the dark forces that have controlled humanity for millennia.

Maybe this will change your impression of what he is saying.

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People don't like Solipsism because they want to stay in the fear/paranoia duality mindset. They want to keep talking about reptillians and other external delusions.

In Bashar's message he dispels all that, for example by saying 'just shift to a reality where the Illuminati does not exist'.

The Polarity of Good Vs Evil does not exist, only the singular direction/signature vibration of your highest excitement matters. The only thing you need to measure is how aligned you are with your signature vibration 'True Self', this then gets projected as the external reality that you experience.

You are shifting all the time, but only notice it when you make a large enough shift to recognize it, you make these significant shifts by changing your deep held beliefs and definitions. It takes some inner therapeutic work.

Keep in mind that this spiritual solipsism/law of attraction thing is not something that you attempt for 5 minutes at a time and then give up on. It may be marketed that way 'instant results' etc... but that is not how it works, it needs to become an auto-pilot background practice in your life, it's not about 'doing', rather it's about 'being' and beingness. You wouldn't go up to a young Buddhist monk who has been sweeping up around the ashram for 10 years and ask him why he isn't enlightened yet, so why do this to people practicing law of attraction? Asking them where is their new Ferrari etc...

If you want to experience Bashar properly, then listen to the following sessions in full. You can skip the Q&A portions at the end.

Beyond the Secret
Slipstream
The Simultaneity of Existence
The Span

You Should also Read These Posts To Help Get Started:
Primer On Creating Your Own Reality: http://www.reddit.com/r/natureofreal...r_own_reality/
How to manifest from the Heart: http://www.reddit.com/r/natureofreal...rom_the_heart/
How to tell if you're projecting your own reality?: http://www.reddit.com/r/natureofreal...r_own_reality/
Being able to see the evil in this world and face its many fears and still maintain an ambivalent equipoise. Its the true test of courage. Feeling the pain of suffering this world has in abundance and see its purpose in developing compassion.

I have watched many hours of Bashar videos, i was very taken in with him i even started a thread about him. Bashar. You may enjoy this.

That is before i became suspicious of his motives regarding his denial of the negative.

I have also been actively involved in the new age movement and personal development through psychology.

What Bashar is saying is not new or unique, a mixture of spirituality, psychology and quantum physics. Not that much different from Ramtha, though simpler. Similar teaching are common in new age circles. I suppose its just cool to communicate with an alien.

There is much truth in what he says and much of what he says i use and apply in my life. There is a point where i draw the line, and that is at the denial of the shadow, evil is something that needs to be looked at in the eye accepted and owned. It is in the shadows where our enemies lurk, waiting for a moment of weakness to pounce and catch us off guard.

As i i have posted before and will post again, the denial of the shadow is a denial of truth a denial of what is. It is a psycho-spiritual disease of the soul

As above so below, as within so without.

The darkness in this world is our own darkness potential and actual. In its avoidance we allow it to flourish projecting it outwards.

By working on ourselves and changing ourselves individually, the collective is also changed. This is also Bashars basic message.

Here is a quote that eloquently sums up what i want to say

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"We had come to tread between the worlds, between agony and ecstasy, between the dream and the nightmare, to become strong and courageous, to surrender any shallow dream of happiness, cruelly torn away as the light and the shadow fashioned our joy and sorrow in equal measure, to fall deep in the waters of perpetual renewal and be weighed not against the laws of man but by the sacred law that exists beyond the rule of culture...
Happiness is for children. To reach for its sticky sweetness in the midst of an age of obvious terminal decline, whilst wars and genocide rage a short plane ride away, is to reach for the snooze button. Happiness is a dangerous seductive detour; a way to make the prison more comfortable, the lies more palatable; to make this mutant paradigm, riddled with abominations, work for you personally by ensuring that all your ever-expanding comfort zones are satiated through a hollow consumer-based definition of abundance. All the conditional components of your well-being need high maintenance to perpetuate this erroneous form of stability on the tightrope of survival between the cradle and the grave.
Happiness is for mortals. Bliss and ecstasy are not reliant upon the arrangement of circumstances but are realized by the loss of denial rather than adherence to it.
Intellectually, I know that it is against the flow of the wide, deep river of life to harbor regret and yet to this day there are words, deeds, moments that I would unashamedly reclaim from time's steely hold...if I could. In my mind and heart I have re-written some parts of the play and yet if it were any other way, would I be here today? I treasure the shattering of my heart that rendered it able to hold more and the 'divine ambivalence' I gained, allowing me to find equipoise in the midst of bedlam and injustice, that I might care deeply and yet not give a damn."

Juliet Carter from Worldbridger.
I understand the mindset of this new age create your reality philosophy. I have been there. It is a a powerful belief system, and its a way of avoiding this objective reality. I know that the adherents of Bashar will not understand what i am saying.

It is still early days it seems the concept of solipsism is not understood and creates cognitive dissonance.


There is a reality where the Illuminati exist, you may create a subjective reality where they do not exist. That is basically a denial of truth of what is. That is a simple definition of solipsism.


Being on this forum is enough proof that the illuminati exist, along with global sex slavery rings, organized pedophilia, African war children, environmental desecration and much more.

I ask what is your purpose here is to escape this reality as is the promise of the worlds religions or change this reality. That work start with ourselves, for myself is the only part of this reality i can surely change.

I am the saviour that i have been waiting for, then when i have saved myself then i can save the world one person at a time. If we all do this then the solution will spread exponentially.
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Being able to see the evil in this world and face its many fears and still maintain an ambivalent equipoise. Its the true test of courage. Feeling the pain of suffering this world has in abundance and see its purpose in developing compassion.

I have watched many hours of Bashar videos, i was very taken in with him i even started a thread about him. Bashar. You may enjoy this.

That is before i became suspicious of his motives regarding his denial of the negative.

I have also been actively involved in the new age movement and personal development through psychology.

What Bashar is saying is not new or unique, a mixture of spirituality, psychology and quantum physics. Not that much different from Ramtha, though simpler. Similar teaching are common in new age circles. I suppose its just cool to communicate with an alien.

There is much truth in what he says and much of what he says i use and apply in my life. There is a point where i draw the line, and that is at the denial of the shadow, evil is something that needs to be looked at in the eye accepted and owned. It is in the shadows where our enemies lurk, waiting for a moment of weakness to pounce and catch us off guard.

As i i have posted before and will post again, the denial of the shadow is a denial of truth a denial of what is. It is a psycho-spiritual disease of the soul

As above so below, as within so without.

The darkness in this world is our own darkness potential and actual. In its avoidance we allow it to flourish projecting it outwards.

By working on ourselves and changing ourselves individually, the collective is also changed. This is also Bashars basic message.

Here is a quote that eloquently sums up what i want to say



I understand the mindset of this new age create your reality philosophy. I have been there. It is a a powerful belief system, and its a way of avoiding this objective reality. I know that the adherents of Bashar will not understand what i am saying.

It is still early days it seems the concept of solipsism is not understood and creates cognitive dissonance.


There is a reality where the Illuminati exist, you may create a subjective reality where they do not exist. That is basically a denial of truth of what is. That is a simple definition of solipsism.


Being on this forum is enough proof that the illuminati exist, along with global sex slavery rings, organized pedophilia, African war children, environmental desecration and much more.

I ask what is your purpose here is to escape this reality as is the promise of the worlds religions or change this reality. That work start with ourselves, for myself is the only part of this reality i can surely change.

I am the saviour that i have been waiting for, then when i have saved myself then i can save the world one person at a time. If we all do this then the solution will spread exponentially.
I agree with most of what you say, but it's not about creating a subjective reality where the Illuminati don't exist, it's about what's true and what is not. If the truth is that behind the facade of world goings on and spiritual goings on there is the pure truth that none of it is absolutely real, then that's the truth.

We live in the illusion though, so we have to deal with what's in the illusion. It's more about what the Illuminati and all the other shite represent. If these things represent a threat, are persecutory or in opposition, then only you can change that representation for you. It doesn't make the world stop turning though.

If there's a planet at the far side of the universe where there are just as many problems for the beings that live there as there are on our planet, are they not part of the objective reality?. There's fuck all we can do to help them on the physical plane. Even if we sort out all the problems on this planet we'll still have the other planet's problems within our universal consciousness. So you see it's not physical stuff that's gonna fix things, and spiritual stuff has to begin and end with self enquiry.

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I wasn't really intending my savile example to be that realistic, but rather a more in your face example of what we do basically every day, filtering events through our beliefs without looking at the whole and being open minded and balanced. Bashar, if he where more genuine would look at and appreciate(well not exactly but ya know) the global conspiracy and what people like ickey say, instead of shunning it by saying its negative. Give this a good watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y__y0ERY-S0 its a joke

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And being trapped in your own bubble is good in theory but is impossible unless your extremely neurotic, no offence but has anyone really achieved this? Lets say you spent a week in your "other dimension" where you are the center of everything, how could you operate in every day life? Moreover: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWK-yFq1mfQ watch this its a fucking joke, "whistle blowers are their greatest advertisers", oh ok we will just watch television all day and believe every fucking thing that the mainstream media say because it fits our version of what reality should but like , as i'm in another dimension!?

This guy is a joke he doesn't understand the duality of life and the fact that the universe (just replace this with god, whatever idk) doesn't give a shit about anything, (space is neutral...)and its up to us collectively as a race in unity() to create the reality that we all wan't(not he or her wants) .And first truth needs to be put out there so that people understand that what we are living in is nothing compared to how it would be if we where to wake up.BUT as someone said earlier Bashar (Darryl anaka) mixes truth with new age bullshit, yes if we fear the elites it won't help but that doesn't stop us from ACTING and KNOWING and being open minded, instead of creating a solphistic ignorant bubble of bullshit

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swami posts are dead on in this thread

i want to add the denial of what is. These new age principles of changing your reality do not change what already has manifested in our collective reality. Sure we can change certain aspects going forward but the illuminati has manifested, pedophilia in the world has manifested, world wide corruption/psycophaty in politics, police forces, and health care has manifested. Maybe they manifested because of our collective unconciousness, but they are here NOW, and we must take the action to correct this.

Pretending like it does not exists will not make it go away. Ignoring it will not guareentee it does not enter your life or the life of people around you. Once you are concsious of the collective insanity then you have the power to heal it.
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I agree with most of what you say, but it's not about creating a subjective reality where the Illuminati don't exist, it's about what's true and what is not. If the truth is that behind the facade of world goings on and spiritual goings on there is the pure truth that none of it is absolutely real, then that's the truth.

We live in the illusion though, so we have to deal with what's in the illusion. It's more about what the Illuminati and all the other shite represent. If these things represent a threat, are persecutory or in opposition, then only you can change that representation for you. It doesn't make the world stop turning though.

If there's a planet at the far side of the universe where there are just as many problems for the beings that live there as there are on our planet, are they not part of the objective reality?. There's fuck all we can do to help them on the physical plane. Even if we sort out all the problems on this planet we'll still have the other planet's problems within our universal consciousness. So you see it's not physical stuff that's gonna fix things, and spiritual stuff has to begin and end with self enquiry.
Lets keep it simple and our feet firmly rooted and grounded on mother earth.

The truth is what 'is'. Thats it, thats all. Passio extends this to what is and what has gone before.

This is what we have to work with, it may be an illusion and on a deep level we are all one. Yet we are here to work with this 3d reality.

It is my belief that i chose to come here at this time to make a difference. Either that or i am a victim of the whim of a god who sent me here to suffer because someone ate an apple, or trapped on a wheel of samsara and suffering karma paying the price for things i dont remember doing.

Self inquiry is necessary though saying that is all is that it is about is solipsistic. Through self inquiry we can become aware of ourselves and change ourselves for the better, changing ourselves has an effect on the whole. We change reality by changing ourselves. First we have to look at what needs to be changed, this is shadow work, we shine the light in the darkness of our ignorance. Then we can change the world.

I am not finding explaining this easy at the moment, i have many threads dealing with self work, going within, by enlarge they are ignored, and i can understand why.

I confess to not full understanding the true nature of solipsism within myself as i discuss it learn more. Its like what you say is true, but only partially true.

I have also been conditioned to ignore objective reality, in favour of spiritual concepts of (maya) illusion and oneness. I can see how they have made me ineffective in this world, living instead in some ethereal reality, while the evil cabal takes us to hell. I focused on the positive, yet in this 3D reality its opposite exists, my awareness must be of what is, not a selective awareness of what makes me comfortable.

Courage is not the denial of fear, its the acceptance of fear, feeling the fear and doing it anyway. At one time i felt no fear i suppressed it and stayed in my comfort zone, that led to stagnation. Growth and awareness are dynamic, i need to grow because i came from a place of being dumbed down, concerned only with my spiritual growth and escaping this reality. It maybe an illusion but its all i have to work with.

I have many friends who follow spiritual paths, generally they do not care for the planet or the environment, they ignore the wars and suffering because its someone elses karma. Well i say its our karma to do something about it, it all starts with the individual.

Solipsism is not easily understood, on the following link there is a long article.

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Solipsism – The Anti-Truth

From Latin solus – “alone” and ipse – “self”.

Solipsism is the most dangerous ideology that exists and is the biggest lie ever told. This mind-virus is so prevalent and insidious that it has infected the consciousness of many people. Solipsism is the primary deception manipulators use. They want people to unknowingly accept the tenants of solipsism, even if it is in the back of their minds at a non-conscious level. In its extreme form, one becomes unwilling to accept anything else no matter how much contradictory evidence is brought to one’s attention. Some people are adherents to solipsistic forms of thinking without realizing it.

In general and at its core derivation, solipsism is the notion that one’s own mind is all that really exists. One’s mind and perceptions are equated with truth and reality. The most common worldview that develops from solipsistic-based consciousness can be summarized as “there is no truth”, or “there is no such thing as truth”. This is a manufactured ideology brilliantly placed in the information flow to dissuade people from ever really awakening and embarking on the spiritual journey towards truth. Even if we began the spiritual journey on the path of truth at some point, when we have come to accept solipsism we have halted that journey.

The spiritual journey is about seeking truth. Solipsism is accepting as truth what you perceive, believe, think or feel to be true regardless of whether it is actually true or not. Someone in this modality of consciousness can progress into various ways of being. “The truth isn’t something to be discovered but something to be made up based on my own personal preferences, what I’m comfortable with, whether I like it or not, how I feel about it, or what information I have at a given moment. Nothing exists independently of the individual who is observing. There is no external reality. There is no truth. Whatever I decide is the truth is essentially what I’m going to live my life according to. There is no objective truth out there, only the subjective truth in me. What I believe, is what is true. You become an arbiter of truth. ” They dictate truth from the fantasy of whatever they want to believe to be true. They tell the universe “screw you, I’m god, I decide what truth is, reality doesn’t exist, things don’t actually occur outside of my belief in them, I create reality.”

To be convinced that there is no truth — it is all relative and based on one’s own perception no matter how contrary and oppositional that may be from what ‘is’, reality, truth, Natural Law principles —is a modality of consciousness and conditioning where you are open to have your sense of reality manipulated.
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Lets keep it simple and our feet firmly rooted and grounded on mother earth.

The truth is what 'is'. Thats it, thats all. Passio extends this to what is and what has gone before.

This is what we have to work with, it may be an illusion and on a deep level we are all one. Yet we are here to work with this 3d reality.

It is my belief that i chose to come here at this time to make a difference. Either that or i am a victim of the whim of a god who sent me here to suffer because someone ate an apple, or trapped on a wheel of samsara and suffering karma paying the price for things i dont remember doing.

Self inquiry is necessary though saying that is all is that it is about is solipsistic. Through self inquiry we can become aware of ourselves and change ourselves for the better, changing ourselves has an effect on the whole. We change reality by changing ourselves. First we have to look at what needs to be changed, this is shadow work, we shine the light in the darkness of our ignorance. Then we can change the world.

I am not finding explaining this easy at the moment, i have many threads dealing with self work, going within, by enlarge they are ignored, and i can understand why.

I confess to not full understanding the true nature of solipsism within myself as i discuss it learn more. Its like what you say is true, but only partially true.

I have also been conditioned to ignore objective reality, in favour of spiritual concepts of (maya) illusion and oneness. I can see how they have made me ineffective in this world, living instead in some ethereal reality, while the evil cabal takes us to hell. I focused on the positive, yet in this 3D reality its opposite exists, my awareness must be of what is, not a selective awareness of what makes me comfortable.

Courage is not the denial of fear, its the acceptance of fear, feeling the fear and doing it anyway. At one time i felt no fear i suppressed it and stayed in my comfort zone, that led to stagnation. Growth and awareness are dynamic, i need to grow because i came from a place of being dumbed down, concerned only with my spiritual growth and escaping this reality. It maybe an illusion but its all i have to work with.

I have many friends who follow spiritual paths, generally they do not care for the planet or the environment, they ignore the wars and suffering because its someone elses karma. Well i say its our karma to do something about it, it all starts with the individual.

Solipsism is not easily understood, on the following link there is a long article.
"The truth is what is"

Then what is?. Where is the objective starting point?. Is it empirically based on personal experience alone or do we take into account what we've been told of the experience of others?.

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Solipsism is just about the only personal version of reality that's non faith based, because all other versions have a faith in the wisdom and experience of other minds/beings. I understand why people may find the concept abhorrent as it seems self serving. At it's centre it is simply oneness , an absence of duality, and the word solipsism is rendered mute. But you're right this stuff is difficult to explain.

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