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Old 27-05-2018, 02:18 PM   #1
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Question So why don't international open borders work in real life?

Patriot community folks love quoting Thomas Jefferson, and one quote that seems quite common now in response to the illegal immigration and border security crisis is "a nation without borders is no nation" and variants of it. However, it appears Jefferson never actually said this: http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/2012...ith-no-border/

So why would this quote be made up? Well, my theory is that it was made up by criminal elements who intend to use all the police state activity that is going on at the America-Mexico border as a stepping stone to further police state activity all over a nation and brainwash the American people into tolerating/accepting it. And unfortunately it appears that some prominent Patriot community folks like Alex Jones of Infowars are succumbing to the scam.

People will surely respond to my claim here by saying, "Are you nuts?!?! Open borders doesn't work in the real world and society would collapse if no border security existed and no vetting of immigrants/tourists was done at national borders."

My response to this is, "Well, did it ever occur to you that if we had a universal currency and/ore money didn't exist at all, and if everyone could speak a universal language then open borders would indeed work in real life?" Many of my friends and sources in the metaphysical and "spiritual but not religious" communities advocate open borders and make this argument to explain what has to be done to make open borders work at the international level on Planet Earth. I think they are on to something.
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Old 27-05-2018, 02:40 PM   #2
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Patriot community folks love quoting Thomas Jefferson, and one quote that seems quite common now in response to the illegal immigration and border security crisis is "a nation without borders is no nation" and variants of it. However, it appears Jefferson never actually said this: http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/2012...ith-no-border/

So why would this quote be made up? Well, my theory is that it was made up by criminal elements who intend to use all the police state activity that is going on at the America-Mexico border as a stepping stone to further police state activity all over a nation and brainwash the American people into tolerating/accepting it. And unfortunately it appears that some prominent Patriot community folks like Alex Jones of Infowars are succumbing to the scam.

People will surely respond to my claim here by saying, "Are you nuts?!?! Open borders doesn't work in the real world and society would collapse if no border security existed and no vetting of immigrants/tourists was done at national borders."

My response to this is, "Well, did it ever occur to you that if we had a universal currency and/ore money didn't exist at all, and if everyone could speak a universal language then open borders would indeed work in real life?" Many of my friends and sources in the metaphysical and "spiritual but not religious" communities advocate open borders and make this argument to explain what has to be done to make open borders work at the international level on Planet Earth. I think they are on to something.
Like Fiat currency and the English language?

Whole lot of idealistic sounding ifs and buts in your premise.
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Like Fiat currency and the English language?

Whole lot of idealistic sounding ifs and buts in your premise.
A global currency need not be Fiat or debt-based. It can be asset-based and backed by gold/silver. One of the reasons the Founding Fathers decided to abolish the Articles of Confederation and replace it with the US Federal Constitution was because the several states had their own currencies which made commerce among the states very complicated.

And I was thinking more of a language where we communicate with our heart-soul essences at a spiritual level rather than talking/speaking.
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Beyond doubt the way forward is no borders .... this is an inevitable step towards becoming an advanced space faring civilisation which will happen within our lifetimes...

The controllers know this and are trying to sabotage this by the way mass migration is occurring in Europe and was occurring in the US before trump ...

They sabotage it by not just opening borders but by giving free money for life , free flats , and many other incentives to cause a flood of people ... despite all this still not too many takers ....

Before trump in the US illegals were above the law , traffic cops would let them go at a crash they caused ... a plan to attract the worst types .

So borders could be open now ,globally ,without too many problems but only if the new arrivals are not entitled to free anything.
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My response to this is, "Well, did it ever occur to you that if we had a universal currency and/ore money didn't exist at all, and if everyone could speak a universal language then open borders would indeed work in real life?" Many of my friends and sources in the metaphysical and "spiritual but not religious" communities advocate open borders and make this argument to explain what has to be done to make open borders work at the international level on Planet Earth. I think they are on to something.
I came from a libertarian-socialist sorta background and envisioned a world where interconnected and decentralised communities around the world could be cooperating without nation states to create a well balanced global community

having come to this forum and spoken to progressives however i've seen a shocking level of racism where they seem to blame all of their problems in life on straight, white, males

This however does not match up with my own understandings of history where straight, white, males weren't even given the vote until relatively recently with people being given the vote in stages. prior to this a small elite ruled over everyone and have done for a very long time

As Oxfam tells us in periodic reports the top 1% own an increasing percentage of the worlds wealth but the top 1% are in control not straight white males and not all of those top 1% are even straight white males!

So this new narrative that has been given to progressives that they should blame all straight white males for their problems seems to me to be a narrative handed to them by the top 1% to stop them being overthrown by revolution

This hatred towards certain demographics that i've seen among progressives makes me very nervous about ideas of open borders

If you look at what happened in the partition of india the muslims and hindus killed each other causing the deaths of 1 million people as they moved to their respective sides of the new border; only a difference in religious view of the world was enough to see them kill each

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