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Mankind’s "self-alienation" has reached such a degree that it can experience its own destruction as an aesthetic pleasure of the first order - Jerry Mander

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...the final goal of world revolution is not Socialism or even Communism, it is not a change in the existing economic system, it is not the destruction of civilization in a material sense; the revolution desired by the leaders is a moral and spiritual revolution, an anarchy of ideas by which all standards set up throughout nineteen centuries shall be reversed - Nesta Webster (Secret Societies and Subversive Movements, 1921)
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Is there really a choice in the matter
Exactly! I'm bored with it! I am ready to take the next step and am getting impatient now. What can you do to help those who wont help themselves?

And how apt that my three major obstacles in this incarnation going by my numerology are acceptance, acceptance and acceptance.

Hence my life has been frustration, frustration and frustration. Because what is frustration but an unwillingness to accept your powerlessness. At least thank goodness between each of these three steps there has been much joy and beauty and wonder, but now I approach the final obstacle. Again? How many levels of acceptance do there need to be?

Torn between a desire to be of service and a desire to say 'theres nothing more I can do'.
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Old 10-04-2011, 04:56 AM   #87
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Exactly! I'm bored with it! I am ready to take the next step and am getting impatient now. What can you do to help those who wont help themselves?

And how apt that my three major obstacles in this incarnation going by my numerology are acceptance, acceptance and acceptance.

Hence my life has been frustration, frustration and frustration. Because what is frustration but an unwillingness to accept your powerlessness. At least thank goodness between each of these three steps there has been much joy and beauty and wonder, but now I approach the final obstacle. Again? How many levels of acceptance do there need to be?

Torn between a desire to be of service and a desire to say 'theres nothing more I can do'.
I can relate observer333. My major "obstacles" is de-attachment, trust and as for most, i would say, Ego.

The question of free choice is much to get the "head around". I wont by no means say i'm ready or anything.
P.S The questions and the You:s in this post ain't directed towards anyone.

When i wrote "would we settle for less" the "we" symbolizes the all. We as a organism or a collected self, or how you would put it, wouldn't settle for less. To grow as a whole even the "dark" concepts of existence has to be illuminated. As there are no separation between I and WE, there is no external force (equally internal: as above...) who is toying us out of love or testing us out of spite. We do it to our-self. In a evolutionary sense all is beneficiary for the collected self.

On another level: When i see people in suffering in for example my family then this kind of thinking can be hard. It is not like i say to some one asking for help, "It is all for the best for the collected whole".
Firstly they ask for help: Which is action and intent.
Secondly they ask "me": As there are no coincidences then i can assume this has relevance (in some way) on "my" path.
And thirdly: The self/intuition/heart is utilized for guidance.

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A horse was tied up before a shop in a narrow street, and everyone who tried to pass behind it was driven back by its wild kicks. A crowd of villagers gathered around the shop and debated about the best way to slide past the horse, and, as luck would have it, the Old Master was seen coming towards them. Everyone agreed that he would know exactly what to do to pass the obstreperous animal. “The crowd watched eagerly as the Old Master came around the corner, saw the horse, turned, and walked down another street.”
The hard part is knowing if "my" path has a heart as Don Juan puts it. Or not. The hardest part is to admit to oneself that my path do not have heart.

Service of Others or Service of self?

Is there really a difference? Do these polarities exist or is it the same old wanna be part of a team to feel safe and cast blame?

If we play with that construct (Service of Others or Service of self) then i would say, as the Self in me is the connection to the collected-Self, then self service is the path with a heart (Of course i can't say if a path has heart for you). Can i be in service of others if not in service to the Self? Put another way: Can i love anyone if i don't love mySelf (feel connected to the whole)? Think of bump cars. It wouldn't do much good if i lost connection and the car started going amok if i then tried to steer other cars to correct mine. Kind of logic that i have to learn how to use my own Tool (body, mind and spirit) before trying to learn others. The paradox can be that the "learning others" part loses relevance as the learning proceeds. You learn to know how little you know. And that no one is learning anyone anything

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To write something and leave it behind us,
It is but a dream.
When we awake we know
There is not even anyone to read it.
Some notes to myself: Learn to relax and have fun. We are programmed to scan for "problems" or "wrongs". It takes focus and creativity to see it as possibilities and solutions. We take ourselves to serious. The magician/alchemist transforms whatever happens in his reality to positivity/growth/solution.

Do you love someone so much that you can stand by the side watching him/her "destroying" their lives? Or do you try to force unwanted help down their throat?

What i'm getting at is, as i see it, if not in service of self then there is probably unresolved issues in me. Sometimes (put mildly) people tend to want to solve internal "problems" in the external. Comb the mirror so to speak.

In service of Ego?

to be continued (i think)...



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Nice

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eviEpg7GYEE"

The gold it's in the....
Come on, my friends,
Let's make for the hills.
They say there's gold but I'm looking for thrills.
You can get your hands on whatever we find,
'cause I'm only coming along for the ride.

Well, you go on your way and I'll go mine,
I don't care if we get there on time.
Everybody's searching for something, they say.
I'll get my kicks on the way.

Over the mountains, across the sea
Who knows what will be waiting for me?
I could sail forever to strange sounding names.
Faces of people and places don't change.

All I have to do is just close my eyes
To see the sea gulls wheeling in the far distant skies.
All I want to tell you, all I want to say
Is count me in on the journey.
Don't expect me to stay.

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Old 10-04-2011, 06:06 AM   #89
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If you really understand what I wrote you would know that nobody knows the truth but we have only our truth
Is that your truth or the truth? Cause it sounds like you are saying that 444ovthedirt would know that nobody knows. How could then 444ovthedirt know? How could you know if no one knows? And most importantly, how could you teach (make him understand) 444ovthedirt what you know when you know nothing?

Is it a absolute truth that absolute truths don't exist?

Understand: Stand under. Submit to reality. Not for me, thanks

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Yuh learning to depolarize myself to the in and outs has been long and arduous.
Definitely a very beautiful experience none the less
I don't want to depolarize. Why would I want to depolarize? to become heartless? It would defeat the purpose of my being here.


The feminine, a mystery to most men.

There can we find a greater receptive kind of power, the mother of creation which gestates something entirely new after having learned her lessons well of what is BS.

Within receptivity lies the fulfillment of the lesson of compassion which must include awareness of the otherSelf.
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What a waste of time.

(inb4 "Time doesn't exist")
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OMG, I just got it, my final acceptance obstacle. I LOVE, therefore I Am.

This is what sweeps one away, and which give the impetus, the push which births creation, like the contraction which pushes a babe into the world.

Now I almost feel like weeping with joy mixed with every kind of emotion, like a mother having just given birth to her child.

No emoticon is available to express that kind of emotion.

<3

Sharing this merely to provide you Zen-ners some food for contemplation.

Its not black and white.
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Nice

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eviEpg7GYEE"

The gold it's in the....
Come on, my friends,
Let's make for the hills.
They say there's gold but I'm looking for thrills.
You can get your hands on whatever we find,
'cause I'm only coming along for the ride.

Well, you go on your way and I'll go mine,
I don't care if we get there on time.
Everybody's searching for something, they say.
I'll get my kicks on the way.

Over the mountains, across the sea
Who knows what will be waiting for me?
I could sail forever to strange sounding names.
Faces of people and places don't change.

All I have to do is just close my eyes
To see the sea gulls wheeling in the far distant skies.
All I want to tell you, all I want to say
Is count me in on the journey.
Don't expect me to stay.
Yes exactly, so step one is to remember Self.

Now weve dealt with that part, Step Two concerns OtherSelf and remembering why we have incarnated here, and getting to it. You dig? Its not black and white huh?
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"A stone is frozen music" —Pythagoras
Hey Lizzy, did you know your musical synesthesia is your greatest protection in this place? Bob marley got this secret. Keep that jukebox pumping brother

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Either way we are the pranked punch-line

I do like the prank version tho, what are some good synonyms for prank?


I don't know of any synonyms, your post got me thinking in these lines, modified something i have posted or thought of posting earlier.

The Fool
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A jester, joker, jokester, fool, wit-cracker, prankster or buffoon was a person employed to tell jokes and provide general entertainment, typically by a European monarch....
The root of the word "fool" is from the Latin follis, which means "bag of wind" or that which contains air or breath....


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One may conceptualize fools in two camps: those of the natural fool type and those of the licensed fool type. Whereas the natural fool was seen as innately nit-witted, moronic, or mad, the licensed fool was given leeway by permission of the court. In other words, both were excused, to some extent, for their behavior, the first because he "couldn't help it," and the second by decree.

Distinction was made between fools and clowns, or country bumpkins. The fool's status was one of privilege within a royal or noble household. His folly could be regarded as the raving of a madman but was often deemed to be divinely inspired. The 'natural' fool was touched by God. Much to Gonerill's annoyance, Lear's 'all-licensed' Fool enjoys a privileged status. His characteristic idiom suggests he is a 'natural' fool, not an artificial one, though his perceptiveness and wit show that he is far from being an idiot, however 'touched' he might be...

Jesters could also give bad news to the King that no-one else would dare deliver....

The position of the Joker playing card, as a wild card which has no fixed place in the hierarchy of King, Queen, Knave, etc. might be a remnant of the position of the court jester. This lack of any place in the hierarchy meant Kings could trust the counsel of the jesters, as they had no vested interest in any region, estate or church....


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Ok, so let see. A "natural" fool is touched by the divine, childlike, perceptive, wittiness, frank, spontaneous, impulsive, creative, enjoys beauty, brave, independent, trustworthy and so on. Hmm don't sound like the easiest to control.

I think there can be drawn parallels to "eastern" and "western" thinking. A book that has given me some pleasure way back is "The Tao of Pooh". Pooh is in much what the western culture see as the fool. Where in the east, at least in Tao thinking, his character is seen as "The Uncarved Block". One of the 'purest' ways of being.

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“In examinations, the foolish ask questions the wise cannot answer.”
Oscar Wilde

I'm sorry i am so stupid as to ask questions that you cant answer.

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Traditionally, the Major Arcana in Tarot cards are numbered with Roman numerals. The Fool is numbered with the zero, one of the Arabic numerals. In his novel, the Greater Trumps, by Charles Williams, the Fool is numbered as "nought", meaning it has no number in a set sequence, but moves around always and cannot be pinned down. As such, the Fool is everyone and every place. "Nought usually comes at the beginning," Ralph said. "Not necessarily," said Sybil. "It might come anywhere. Nought isn't a number at all. It's the opposite of number....



The Fool is the spirit in search of experience. He represents the mystical cleverness bereft of reason within us, the childlike ability to tune into the inner workings of the world. The sun shining behind him represents the divine nature of the Fool's wisdom and exuberance, holy madness or 'crazy wisdom'. On his back are all the possessions he might need. In his hand there is a flower, showing his appreciation of beauty. He is frequently accompanied by a dog, sometimes seen as his animal desires, sometimes as the call of the "real world", nipping at his heels and distracting him. He is seemingly unconcerned that he is standing on a precipice, apparently about to step off. One of the keys to the card is the paradigm of the precipice, Zero and the sometimes represented oblivious Fool's near-step into the oblivion (The Void) of the jaws of a crocodile, for example, are all mutually informing polysemy within evocations of the iconography of The Fool. The staff is the offset and complement to the void and this in many traditions represents wisdom and renunciation, e.g. 'danda' (Sanskrit) of a Sanyassin, 'danda' (Sanskrit) is also a punctuation mark with the function analogous to a 'full-stop' which is appropriately termed a period in American English. The Fool is both the beginning and the end, neither and otherwise, betwixt and between, liminal.

The number 0 is a perfect significator for the Fool, as it can become anything when he reaches his destination as in the sense of 'joker's wild'. Zero plus anything equals the same thing. Zero times anything equals zero. Zero is nothing, a lack of hard substance, and as such it may reflect a non-issue or lack of cohesiveness for the subject at hand.

In many esoteric systems of interpretation, the Fool is usually interpreted as the protagonist of a story, and the Major Arcana is the path the Fool takes through the great mysteries of life and the main human archetypes. This path is known traditionally in Tarot as the Fool´s Journey...

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Meet the void carefree as the fool. Sing and speak like the fool. Be honest like the fool. Cherish the beauty like the fool. Follow no one like the fool. Laugh at yourself/others/world like the fool. Be childlike as the fool. Express the divine like the fool. - Something that resonates with me

Thoughts? Anyone who is in on Tarot who can broaden (or correct) the subject?
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What a waste of time.

(inb4 "Time doesn't exist")
Yes, so let us go with that, if it doesn't exist, why are we here then.

I think people are losing the multidimensionality we are talking about here. Time is not an absolute, its just a temporal thing, and things are empty of inherent existence right.

So having already sorted that out, now why are you here experiencing this temporal thing? What for? Some of your OneSelf doesn't like this game of make-believe which is very real to them however unreal it may be in absolute truth. They would like to wake up from the nightmare.

So what are we gonna do about it?
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I don't know of any synonyms, your post got me thinking in these lines, modified something i have posted or thought of posting earlier.

The Fool

The "BAG OF WIND" definition just hit me with a start.

"A twist in time saves nine" came to mind for some reason. What does that mean and where did it come from?

A little twist in the whole, creating a bag or baloon of wind/breath/creation. Like those men who make animals out of baloons or those wierd twisted vortexes.
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Either way we are the pranked punch-line

I do like the prank version tho, what are some good synonyms for prank?
OMG.... RIB is a synonym of prank.

Very genesis isn't it?

hmmmmmm.......
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The "BAG OF WIND" definition just hit me with a start.

"A twist in time saves nine" came to mind for some reason. What does that mean and where did it come from?

A little twist in the whole, creating a bag or baloon of wind/breath/creation. Like those men who make animals out of baloons or those wierd twisted vortexes.
Don't know
A google search lead me to this article (probably a known saying that i haven't heard of) , not a article i would normally read: http://www.businessworld.in/bw/2010_...aves_Nine.html

Basically it talks about what a first glance might seem as a mistake further down the line might be seen as something defining.

A quote by Steve Jobs from the article: “ Again, you can't connect the dots looking forward. You can only connect them looking backwards, so you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future……because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leads you off the well-worn path, and that will make all the difference.”

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Its not black and white huh?
You say? Some seem to think so.






A thought hit me. In the game of chess there is kings and peasants and so on. Well there also has to be a "hand" or a player that moves the pawns. I wonder if certain groups see themselves as that hidden hand that is orchestrating this ever going drama or if they see it as that they to are pawns and the hidden hand is "god" or whatever that wants this game to go on. Behind the game is Unity though, Or do they see it as two "players" and some swear to one while some swear to the other. There is no unity outside the game, duality continues.
I don't know. Just thinking out loud

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