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 28-09-2008, 08:42 AM #1 blueelectricmonkey Junior Member   Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 15 Likes: 0 (0 Posts) All the Truth about 2012 We all heard about 2012. So many Explanations and Stories. I've heard stories about aliens, about astrology, about changing the rhythm of time, Heaven on Earth, energies, other dimensions, bad-stuff-happening, galactic-astrological-synchronizations, changes in calenders, parties, and so many contradicting, not-really-scientific, not-always-rational data. I seek to explain the phenomenon, without stubborn rhetoric, without any vague concepts, and without any energy / aliens / dimensional / other-unproven-data (or at least considered unproven). Having said that, I'll try to explain the 2012 phenomenon, or the phenomenon of 2012 obsession. 1. My first argument: Numbers affect people. People are charmed, for example, by certain numbers, and are afraid, from other numbers, for a variety of reasons. I don't claim everyone is charmed and afraid by numbers, but enough people do, so in the global-scale, number do affect people, not necessarily in the same manner. (The number X can charm one person, deter another, and not affect another two people, in a group of 4, for example). I find it easy to be charmed by 12.21.2012 or 13.0.0.0.0 of the Mayan calender, And I am charmed by the fact they are both the same day. But I would like to focus more on dates and numbers that make people fear. Some dates frighten some of us: 9.11.2001 or 9.1.1939 Some numbers that might frighten a Christian: 666 13 Or Jews: 6,000,000 2. My second argument: The 9 - 11 combination is problematic enough in order to become a date of destruction. (Sounds strange, but read it through). I don't ask here to explain this, just to show this, but I'll try to give an explanation nonetheless. One possible explanation, is the common characteristic of 9 and 11. They are both very close to 10, and this is what is common, and so their combination emphasizes this. 10 is a very special number for the human psyche, and usually symbolizes wholeness and completeness and perfection, not for a mystical, or a numerological, or a really-stupid reason, but because we have 10 fingers, and they are the base of our counting system, and 10 symbolizes the completeness of the counting, the 10 fingers, and the 10 digits. Those of us who look for grades will see a perfection in 10, since it is the perfect grade. Those of us who look for completeness in sexuality, and in the merging of the opposites, will also see in 10 completeness, as 1 is the male organ, 0 is the female organ, and 10 is their combination in one complete whole perfect unity. Those of us with religious upbringing can see 10 in the 10 commandments and other important symbols. Symbolic connections between 9 and 11, are exactly what moves away from that wholeness, and emphasizes the distinction from wholeness. You might think I'm only talking about the WTC 9/11 case, but you'll understand soon. I don't think there has to be a cosmic force to make more destructions on dates with 9 and 11, but somehow this combination affects enough people for us to have more on such dates. Maybe the explanation I gave for why this could happen doesn't convince, but this is not the point, the point is that it is like that, statistically, as we'll see in some detailed examples. For simplicity, I'll use both the European style of writing dates - day.month.year - E - and the North-American style - month.day.year - U. You might think that finding 9's and 11's in the 20th century is not so hard, but remember, the 20th century was the most bloody of them all, which strengthens my theory. Do you see any combinations between 9 and 11 in the following dates ? (remember the mind reads digits one by one...) WTC destruction: 9.11.2001 U Crystal night, first major violent breakout before the holocaust, became a memory of a day of destruction: 9.11.1938 E WW2: 9.1.1939 U Murder of Kennedy: 22.11.1963 E Murder of Gandhi: 30.1.1938 E Murder of Israel's prime minster, Rabin: 4.11.1995 E Attempted murder of Jordanian King, King Hussein and the start of Black September: 9.1.1970 U Gulf War: 1.15.1991 U 15.1.1991 E And there's more, but I think the list is enough. Anyone who disagrees, and thinks I'm not convincing enough, is welcome to present another pair of numbers, whose combination appears in so many dates that became memories of destruction, and I think it is fair to request that at least one of the numbers in the pair will be a 2-digit-number. (Don't tell me 1 and 9, OK ?) I don't think, and I don't claim, that this is total. You have many dates with 9 and 11 without any problem, and you also have destructions in other dates, but this is still a statistical abnormality. I'll soon show how the 9-11 combination became a destruction-date in more than the Western calender to prove my point. Before that, I'd like to talk a little about the American emergency phone number 911 We usually think of it as dial nine-one-one But originally it was promoted as dial nine-eleven. A lot of people complained "they can't find the eleven" so they changed the way they say it. So originally the 9-11 combination also appeared in emergency cases. Police, Fire Department, Medical help, all in one number. And when do you call ? When you are more away from the feeling or delusion that everything is complete and perfect. So once again, the 9-11 combination is connected in many persons' minds with "something bad is happening". You can also see something interesting with Roman numerations. 9 - IX 11 - XI Again showing that the human mind sees them as "one away from 10", while X is the most symmetric of all the Roman numerals (both top-bottom and right-left symmetries, and 90 degrees rotation symmetry if it's a "perfect" X.), and it's the only letter used (I,V,X,L,C,D,M) that you can't write in one time without lifting the pen or going over the same line twice, making it more "special" for the mind, two symmetrical lines meeting each other in the middle. Now I'll move to another calender: The Hebrew Year of Judaism. One of the oldest calenders still in use. It goes both by the sun and by the moon, making itself more accurate than the Western calender, or the Muslim one, as far as "making the year accurate and on time" goes. Unlike other calenders and traditions, the Jews somehow combined all their major destruction stories, to one date that symbolizes destruction The Ninth of AV. While AV is the 11th month of the Hebrew year. (The Hebrew calender / calenders have several new-years, but the most common, and the only one used until today, is the one who starts the year with a holiday called "The head of the year", in which the digit of the years increases by one, and is in a month (always a new-moon day) who is always 2 months after AV, and basically 10 months before AV, making AV the 11th month, in a 12 months year, eventually making the 9th of AV, as the 9th of the 11th Month.) This is a list of destructions that are associated with that date,some of them are made so by formal Jewish religious law,some are historically documented, some are of an unknown enough source, and even if some of it is made up (by others of course, not by me), it still shows that there's a tendency of the mind to connect destructions with 9-11-combination-dates: The fall of the first temple. (this in the bible appears in 2 places, one as 7th of AV, the other as 10th of AV, but formal Judaism is considering it as 9th of Av, and this is the official day of fasting and mourning about it, which is also obligatory, for religious Jews). The fall of the second temple. Destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans Expulsion of Jews from Spain 1942 (A major event in Jewish history, highly documented). Roman Jews are put in ghettos in Rome. 1555 Expulsion from England and in another year, from France. First World War 1914 (Calculated by the date Germany declared war on Russia, and it became a world war, WW1). The Jews also believe that in the bible, the Hebrews traveled for 40 years in the desert, instead of going straight into their Promised Land, because they were punished by God for some sin, called "the sin of the spies", and that punishment is considered to have taken place on the Ninth of Av, as well as all the others. So what do we see ? Nowadays, the 9-11 combination has become a date that symbolizes destruction in more than one calender. (There's more symmetry between the 9-11's of the Western and Hebrew calenders main destruction date - the fall of The Temple,and the fall of The Towers. Both in a mythological city - Jerusalem is the most mythological city for the Jewish people, and NYC is deeply connected to the American Dream, with its Statue of Liberty, welcoming the immigrants, as well as possessing other American-Dream-Symbols, and both destructions are on a 9-11 date in the year). I can't be sure you're convinced why this is happening. But it does. Even if some of those destructions, or those dates, are pure accidents, it causes more fear of those dates eventually. And again, I'm not saying all destructions are on those dates. I don't know the dates of the atomic bombing of Japan in the Japanese calender, but I believe there's enough data to see that something is going on. And this finally concludes the second argument. 3. My third argument: Starting from 2012, we have much less dates with 9-11 combinations in the Western calender, (which is the most important and globally used calender). In the 20th century, we had the most dates with such a combination. In the beginning of the 21st, we have a little less. Ever since 2012, the years don't give us any 11 at all, and we got a 9 in the years only once every 10 years, and in the 2090s which result in 19 years with a 9 in the year, in all the century, compared to 100 years with a 9, in the 20th century. So: I. If a combination between a 9 and an 11 causes destruction, then we'll have less destructions. II. If such a combination makes people afraid, then we have less reasons to fear. III. If you think such dates don't mean anything at all, then it wouldn't get any worse, not because of this anyway. IV. If enough extreme people go crazy especially on such dates, then they have less reasons to go crazy. 4. My fourth argument: All the spiritual, cultural, pseudo-scientific interest around the change of 2012, is because of the 9-11 symbolism I showed. Check out the date given to mark the change: 12.21.2012 U 21.12.2012 E The year: 2012 Right after 2011, and shortly after 2009, just as they disappear from the digits of the years. The Month: December The 12th month, right after the 11th month and shortly after September, just as they disappear from the digits of the months. The day 21 Not one digit like a 9 Not 1X like an 11 not 20 like 9 + 11 The 21st day of the 12th month of the only year with a 12 in its digits, in the 21st Century. So much charm, so much completeness, and wholeness, and symmetry, and even perfection. you got the 1 and 0 of the 10, next to each other. you got nothing to remind of the "away from completeness" in this date. Nothing to remind you of the 9-11 combinations. no 9 12 and 21 right before 2013 and right before Christmas (never 9 or 11 on Christmas in the day.month duo) or 13.0.0.0.0 you got 12, 13, and 21, all can be seen as "going away from 11". This is truly a nice charming date which symbolizes a drastic change from a period we had many 9-11 combinations in the Western calender, to a period with much much less. One of the things 2012 theorists talk about, is the subject of time, and the change of time, and the change of the perception of time. They all fail to understand that what will really happen, is that as far as dates go, time will affect us differently. This is the expected change in our "connection with time". Time will be much less frightening and much less dangerous. One last thing. If somehow I gave you a reason to think the coming 2009 and 2011 will be horrible, this is not necessarily what I think. 1909 and 1911 were not so nice as years, but certainly not the worst of the 20th century. (We had more 9-11 combos in any year of the 20th century than is expected in 2009 and 2011) And even so, by 2013 it will be behind us. I'd be more than happy to get interesting remarks, as long as they are to the point, about my theory. (please don't analyze my signature in your replies) BLUE ELECTRIC MONKEY ************** more data ************* Some more calculations for those interested: I defined a "charming date" as a date made of only 3 digits (or less). Like: 1.1.2000 1.2.2000 2.2.2000 (two digits) and many more in 2000 and also so much many in 2001-2012 like X.X.200X 10.10.2010 11.11.2011 12.12.2012 you got here 13 years with a lot of "charming dates", and even 13 years in a row, with a date in each year, with a certain number, that appears both in the day, in the month, in the year, and in a "charming date". Now what happens in 2010-2012 ? This is very special. All "charming dates" in these 3 years, are with the same 3 digits: 0,1,2 Actually, we get 120 "charming dates" in these years, all with the same 3 digits, and with no other "charming date" in the middle which is made of a different combination of 3 digits. (If you can't see why this doesn't happen in 2000-2002, or in 2020-2022, think of 3.3.2000 or 4.4.2022.) All this period of 2000-2012, is with the most charm in numbers possible since we started counting. 2100-2102 is the only next time in the coming millennium with 120 "charming dates in a row all from the same 3 digits". (you need 3 years in a row, all with the same 3 digits that you are talking about, and all 3 digits appearing in all 3 years) And when does the charm "end" this time ? 22.12.2012 This is the last of those 120 "charming dates". Right next to the famous 21.12.2012 to whom the change of time is usually attributed. (why 120 dates? think of 1.1.2010, 2.1.2010, 10.1.2010, 11.1.2010, 12.1.2010 and 20th,21st and ,22nd of that month. 8 such "charming dates" in January alone. now switch the month to 2,10,11 or 12, and we get 5 such months, which gives us a total of 40 such dates in the year, and another 40 in each of the following years, resulting in a total of 120). After that, not only will time frighten us less, it will also charm us less, making us over all less affected by time, and more "free" from it. I also guess, that all this 2012 obsession nowadays, is strongly connected to the fact that "This is the time that dates have charmed us more than ever before". And after 2012, these kind of obsessions will cool down, as Time charms us less and less, or frighten us with a 9-11 combo, less and less. I always considered 21.12.2012 to be such a beautiful date, but now it seems to me more as a beautiful period of time. So many dates, in 3 years, all with same digits of the 21.12.2012. After filling our minds with obsessions about that date, I guess something like this might happen to us in 2010: "so many dates seem like 21.12.2012, what's going on ?" And in 2013, the process is over. 2013 might appeal to the eye, consisting of 0,1,2,3 but these are 4 digits, not 3, and therefore no more "charming dates" until 2020, (again, if this is how we define charm), and not a huge amount of them until 2100-2102, and nothing quite like the charm of 2000-2012, the biggest charm ever, past and future. (you get some good charm in 1000-1012, but no "three years period of the 'same' charm"). (3000-3013 don't give you so much charm, 2 is much more common than 3 in the days and in the months, even though 3 is just a little more in the days than the 0, and we're gonna have some good charm in 2131-2133, 2311-2313, 3121-3123 and 3211-3213 (days and months with 0 and 3: days: 3,10,13,20,23,30,31, months: 3, 10), The bottom line: Nothing like this 2000-2012 charm since ever we can really remember, and nothing like we can predict in any sense of future, and with nothing even coming close, until 2100-2102. For all reasons mentioned, our time is the perfect "time-dates-obsession-period".
 29-09-2008, 12:09 PM #2 jayelowell Senior Member     Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: massachusetts Posts: 2,390 Likes: 0 (0 Posts) A+ for effort all the truth? you failed to mention anything about our sun. About your numbers theory... I just don't see it, you said "1 is the male organ, 0 is the female organ" I like to see it as 1 and 1! 0 mean nothing so it just cancels out! http://markorodin.com/ __________________ traveling in a logarithmic spiral towards infinity Last edited by jayelowell; 29-09-2008 at 12:40 PM.
 29-09-2008, 04:35 PM #3 no_chip Junior Member   Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 23 Likes: 0 (0 Posts) I love the marko rodin [nine/bahai based] numerotomy, its very interesting! Heard him on red ice...says numbers are real not just symbols...still trying to wrap my head around that. Anyway, also, theres an 11-based number pattern too [dont know the significance there] you might have heard of from buckminster fuller's number science he actually did, called 'indigs' - check it out @: http://treeincarnation.com/articles/Number.htm and the movie 'pi' if you havent seen it. or that corny song about it... __________________ "Well, I'm not gonna leave you alone. I want you to get mad!" Peter Finch, from "Network" Last edited by no_chip; 29-09-2008 at 04:42 PM.
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