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Old 27-06-2012, 12:15 PM   #1
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So, personally I think we (as a society) are overly Vaccinated BUT I am not anti-Vaccine like many. Anyhow, last year I got a waiver to not vaccinate my Son since he is in High School and I feel he doesn't need anymore "boosters" or whatever (as I never had Vaccines in High School) and I had a conversation with my Father that made me go Hmmmmmmm....

My Dad is an ex Hippie who became a Yuppie lol and is fairly pro establishment. He knows the government lies and is dirty, but he cannot accept to the extent this is true. We were discussing Vaccines and why I wanted my Son to be wavered.

So my Dad says something to this effect-

"So, have you ever thought that the Government knows that the Conspiracy community is anti-vaccination and if they are as dirty as you think- This will work out wonderfully for them-"

"How so?" I asked.

"Because the folks who go along in life believing what the authorities tell them will keep getting the shots as the folks who distrust the Government will avoid them in greater numbers each year."

"Okay...???"

"- And each year more resentment at the Government will grow-So at some point in the future when things start to get real rough as you think they will, they could Vaccinate the willing and then release a Virus that would only effect those not Vaccinated- Thus taking out the rebellious ones without ever having to do much digging to see who IS in fact potentially rebellious."



Its a conspiracy on top of a conspiracy coming from someone who doesnt even believe in Conspiracies- But he plays Chess.

And this is all one big game of Chess where moves have been thought out very far ahead...

Anyhow, just an interesting thought. Any comments?

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Old 27-06-2012, 12:22 PM   #2
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Wow... This could very much be the scenario they are after, it makes sense. Personally I would still stay away from vaccines. Whats the point of going through life in that NWO scenario as a mindless zombie? If we allow their plans to go through to its conclusion, I would rather be dead.

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Old 27-06-2012, 12:26 PM   #3
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Wow... This could very much be the scenario they are after, it makes sense. Personally I would still stay away from vaccines. Whats the point of going through life in that NWO scenario as a mindless zombie? If we allow their plans to go through to its conclusion, I would rather be dead.
agree- I stay away myself and I am not suggesting to take his advice... Its just disturbing to think of it in that light, that anything could be a disinfo type trap... Literally anything.

I just thought it was an interesting take .
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Old 27-06-2012, 12:58 PM   #4
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Arrow Why worry its premeditated murder either way.


Why worry its premeditated murder either way.

Clean the source of the problem don't fight the resulting problem.

Its like voting for your evil puppet monkey leaders if all three options are of Evil (its still evil >> NO?) ...... why vote at all?

Then the argument would come up ..... but if you don't vote for the lesser evil maybe the grater evil ends up in power.


Better save then sorry & why should I play with my child to choose the lesser Evil.... NO, NO not me!!

If they playing chemical warfare; well its a clear war declaration towards the public in general.

If people do not trust the chemical plants there must be a good reason for it and its not just something people pulling out of the head.


Who in his right mind would play Russian rollet with his own child?

Why not shut down ALL facility's & labs which playing around with biological warfare????? (would solve many problems in the same time)..... Good idea >>> NO?


Why not start right here? >>>> Would anyone trust the all loving Israel???

Defense against what? ..... Hitler???? & his FIMA camps?

Israel Institute for Biological Research
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Israel Institute for Biological Research (IIBR) is an Israeli government defense research institute specializing in biology, medicinal chemistry and environmental science. It is suspected of also developing biological and chemical weapons and defenses against them, as well as toxins for use by Israeli intelligence in assassinations. It is located in Ness Ziona, 20 kilometers south of Tel Aviv. IIBR has approximately 350 employees, 150 of whom are scientists.


Description
IIBR is under the jurisdiction of the Prime Minister's Office and works in close cooperation with government agencies. IIBR has many public projects on which it works in cooperations with international research organizations (governmental and non-governmental) and universities. Its research findings are often published in national and international scientific publications.

IIBR was founded in 1952 by Professor Ernst David Bergmann, Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion's science adviser and the head of R&D at the Ministry of Defense, and Dr. Alexander Keynan. Keynan was IIBR's first director.

Some of the fields in which IIBR conducts research include:
Medical diagnostic techniques
Mechanisms of pathogenic diseases
Vaccines and pharmaceuticals
Protein and enzyme syenthesis and engineering
Process biotechnology
Air pollution risk assessment
Environmental detectors and biosensors

IIBR also has a non-public scope of operation. Due to its secretive and defense-related nature, it is widely assumed that the institute develops vaccines and antidotes for chemical and biological warfare. Some sources speculate that the IIBR also develops offensive capabilities in these fields. The IIBR also provides lethal toxin weapons for use in assassinations by the Mossad, Israel's foreign intelligence service.
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Israel_Institute_for_Biological_Research

Assassinations >>> very intelligent indeed!!

This for example is what I classify as a source problem & a red flag in all aspects.....

You are the judge what or what not to believe!!>>> Fits to the "T"....



PROTOCOL No. 8

1. We must arm ourselves with all the weapons which our opponents might employ against us. We must search out in the very finest shades of expression and the knotty points of the lexicon of law justification for those cases where we shall have to pronounce judgments that might appear abnormally audacious and unjust, for it is important that these resolutions should be set forth in expressions that shall seem to be the most exalted moral principles cast into legal form. Our directorate must surround itself with all these forces of civilization among which it will have to work. It will surround itself with publicists, practical jurists, administrators, diplomats and, finally, with persons prepared by a special super-educational training IN OUR SPECIAL SCHOOLS. These persons will have consonance of all the secrets of the social structure, they will know all the languages that can be made up by political alphabets and words; they will be made acquainted with the whole underside of human nature, with all its sensitive chords on which they will have to play. These chords are the cast of mind of the GOYIM, their tendencies, short-comings, vices and qualities, the particularities of classes and conditions. Needless to say that the talented assistants of authority, of whom I speak, will be taken not from among the GOYIM, who are accustomed to perform their administrative work without giving themselves the trouble to think what its aim is, and never consider what it is needed for. The administrators of the GOYIM sign papers without reading them, and they serve either for mercenary reasons or from ambition.

2. We shall surround our government with a whole world of economists. That is the reason why economic sciences form the principal subject of the teaching given to the Jews. Around us again will be a whole constellation of bankers, industrialists, capitalists and - THE MAIN THING - MILLIONAIRES, BECAUSE IN SUBSTANCE EVERYTHING WILL BE SETTLED BY THE QUESTION OF FIGURES.

3. For a time, until there will no longer be any risk in entrusting responsible posts in our State to our brother-Jews, we shall put them in the hands of persons whose past and reputation are such that between them and the people lies an abyss, persons who, in case of disobedience to our instructions, must face criminal charges or disappear - this in order to make them defend our interests to their last gasp.


JEWISH SUPER-STATE

3. For us there are not checks to limit the range of our activity. Our Super-Government subsists in extra-legal conditions which are described in the accepted terminology by the energetic and forcible word - Dictatorship. I am in a position to tell you with a clear conscience that at the proper time we, the law-givers, shall execute judgment and sentence, we shall slay and we shall spare, we, as head of all our troops, are mounted on the steed of the leader. We rule by force of will, because in our hands are the fragments of a once powerful party, now vanquished by us. AND THE WEAPONS IN OUR HANDS ARE LIMITLESS AMBITIONS, BURNING GREEDINESS, MERCILESS VENGEANCE, HATREDS AND MALICE.

4. IT IS FROM US THAT THE ALL-ENGULFING TERROR PROCEEDS. WE HAVE IN OUR SERVICE PERSONS OF ALL OPINIONS, OF ALL DOCTRINES, RESTORATING MONARCHISTS, DEMAGOGUES, SOCIALISTS, COMMUNISTS, AND UTOPIAN DREAMERS OF EVERY KIND. We have harnessed them all to the task: EACH ONE OF THEM ON HIS OWN ACCOUNT IS BORING AWAY AT THE LAST REMNANTS OF AUTHORITY, IS STRIVING TO OVERTHROW ALL ESTABLISHED FORM OF ORDER. By these acts all States are in torture; they exhort to tranquility, are ready to sacrifice everything for peace: BUT WE WILL NOT GIVE THEM PEACE UNTIL THEY OPENLY ACKNOWLEDGE OUR INTERNATIONAL SUPER-GOVERNMENT, AND WITH SUBMISSIVENESS.

5. The people have raised a howl about the necessity of settling the question of Socialism by way of an international agreement. DIVISION INTO FRACTIONAL PARTIES HAS GIVEN THEM INTO OUR HANDS, FOR, IN ORDER TO CARRY ON A CONTESTED STRUGGLE ONE MUST HAVE MONEY, AND THE MONEY IS ALL IN OUR HANDS.
http://www.aztlan.net/protocols.htm

How far from reality is all this 1% > 10% > 20% > 30% > 99% ?? & I don't give a shit who are the once running this real life show ..... this is the source problem & needs attention from the entire Humanity.

Know your Enemy & you are on your own with all your decisions & actions!!

Should you vaccinate your child with all this love in the air??

Connect all the dots!!





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Old 27-06-2012, 01:13 PM   #5
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I would've thought it would be better to opt for the lesser of the two evils but everyone must decide for themselves which is the lesser of the two. A great deal of what happens to us depends upon circumstance and environment and the people around us.
We all know that vaccines aren't healthy so there's really no decision to make so far as that's concerned IMHO.
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Old 27-06-2012, 02:19 PM   #6
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Taking on board what the OP has said,and having a ponder, i would still opt for no vaccine. At the end of the day what the vaccines contains lowers your ability to fight any disease anyway! It suppresses the immune system instead of allowing the body to have its natural ability to produce its own anti bodies. As my old grandmother used to say,everyone has to eat a little dirt before they die! I only have one injection that i can never refuse,due to a rare blood, if i didn't have it whenever i receive an op etc,then my body would kill itself,so in that one i have no option,but i do have options for anything else!
Allow the body a chance to heal,give yourself the best defence you can by eating foods as organic as possible and taking supplements as pure as possible and at least you are feeding it the correct ingredients.
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Old 28-06-2012, 05:26 AM   #7
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Why worry its premeditated murder either way.

Clean the source of the problem don't fight the resulting problem.

Its like voting for your evil puppet monkey leaders if all three options are of Evil (its still evil >> NO?) ...... why vote at all?

Then the argument would come up ..... but if you don't vote for the lesser evil maybe the grater evil ends up in power.


Better save then sorry & why should I play with my child to choose the lesser Evil.... NO, NO not me!!

If they playing chemical warfare; well its a clear war declaration towards the public in general.

If people do not trust the chemical plants there must be a good reason for it and its not just something people pulling out of the head.


Who in his right mind would play Russian rollet with his own child?

Why not shut down ALL facility's & labs which playing around with biological warfare????? (would solve many problems in the same time)..... Good idea >>> NO?


Why not start right here? >>>> Would anyone trust the all loving Israel???

Defense against what? ..... Hitler???? & his FIMA camps?

Israel Institute for Biological Research
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Israel Institute for Biological Research (IIBR) is an Israeli government defense research institute specializing in biology, medicinal chemistry and environmental science. It is suspected of also developing biological and chemical weapons and defenses against them, as well as toxins for use by Israeli intelligence in assassinations. It is located in Ness Ziona, 20 kilometers south of Tel Aviv. IIBR has approximately 350 employees, 150 of whom are scientists.


Description
IIBR is under the jurisdiction of the Prime Minister's Office and works in close cooperation with government agencies. IIBR has many public projects on which it works in cooperations with international research organizations (governmental and non-governmental) and universities. Its research findings are often published in national and international scientific publications.

IIBR was founded in 1952 by Professor Ernst David Bergmann, Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion's science adviser and the head of R&D at the Ministry of Defense, and Dr. Alexander Keynan. Keynan was IIBR's first director.

Some of the fields in which IIBR conducts research include:
Medical diagnostic techniques
Mechanisms of pathogenic diseases
Vaccines and pharmaceuticals
Protein and enzyme syenthesis and engineering
Process biotechnology
Air pollution risk assessment
Environmental detectors and biosensors

IIBR also has a non-public scope of operation. Due to its secretive and defense-related nature, it is widely assumed that the institute develops vaccines and antidotes for chemical and biological warfare. Some sources speculate that the IIBR also develops offensive capabilities in these fields. The IIBR also provides lethal toxin weapons for use in assassinations by the Mossad, Israel's foreign intelligence service.
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Israel_Institute_for_Biological_Research

Assassinations >>> very intelligent indeed!!

This for example is what I classify as a source problem & a red flag in all aspects.....

You are the judge what or what not to believe!!>>> Fits to the "T"....



PROTOCOL No. 8

1. We must arm ourselves with all the weapons which our opponents might employ against us. We must search out in the very finest shades of expression and the knotty points of the lexicon of law justification for those cases where we shall have to pronounce judgments that might appear abnormally audacious and unjust, for it is important that these resolutions should be set forth in expressions that shall seem to be the most exalted moral principles cast into legal form. Our directorate must surround itself with all these forces of civilization among which it will have to work. It will surround itself with publicists, practical jurists, administrators, diplomats and, finally, with persons prepared by a special super-educational training IN OUR SPECIAL SCHOOLS. These persons will have consonance of all the secrets of the social structure, they will know all the languages that can be made up by political alphabets and words; they will be made acquainted with the whole underside of human nature, with all its sensitive chords on which they will have to play. These chords are the cast of mind of the GOYIM, their tendencies, short-comings, vices and qualities, the particularities of classes and conditions. Needless to say that the talented assistants of authority, of whom I speak, will be taken not from among the GOYIM, who are accustomed to perform their administrative work without giving themselves the trouble to think what its aim is, and never consider what it is needed for. The administrators of the GOYIM sign papers without reading them, and they serve either for mercenary reasons or from ambition.

2. We shall surround our government with a whole world of economists. That is the reason why economic sciences form the principal subject of the teaching given to the Jews. Around us again will be a whole constellation of bankers, industrialists, capitalists and - THE MAIN THING - MILLIONAIRES, BECAUSE IN SUBSTANCE EVERYTHING WILL BE SETTLED BY THE QUESTION OF FIGURES.

3. For a time, until there will no longer be any risk in entrusting responsible posts in our State to our brother-Jews, we shall put them in the hands of persons whose past and reputation are such that between them and the people lies an abyss, persons who, in case of disobedience to our instructions, must face criminal charges or disappear - this in order to make them defend our interests to their last gasp.


JEWISH SUPER-STATE

3. For us there are not checks to limit the range of our activity. Our Super-Government subsists in extra-legal conditions which are described in the accepted terminology by the energetic and forcible word - Dictatorship. I am in a position to tell you with a clear conscience that at the proper time we, the law-givers, shall execute judgment and sentence, we shall slay and we shall spare, we, as head of all our troops, are mounted on the steed of the leader. We rule by force of will, because in our hands are the fragments of a once powerful party, now vanquished by us. AND THE WEAPONS IN OUR HANDS ARE LIMITLESS AMBITIONS, BURNING GREEDINESS, MERCILESS VENGEANCE, HATREDS AND MALICE.

4. IT IS FROM US THAT THE ALL-ENGULFING TERROR PROCEEDS. WE HAVE IN OUR SERVICE PERSONS OF ALL OPINIONS, OF ALL DOCTRINES, RESTORATING MONARCHISTS, DEMAGOGUES, SOCIALISTS, COMMUNISTS, AND UTOPIAN DREAMERS OF EVERY KIND. We have harnessed them all to the task: EACH ONE OF THEM ON HIS OWN ACCOUNT IS BORING AWAY AT THE LAST REMNANTS OF AUTHORITY, IS STRIVING TO OVERTHROW ALL ESTABLISHED FORM OF ORDER. By these acts all States are in torture; they exhort to tranquility, are ready to sacrifice everything for peace: BUT WE WILL NOT GIVE THEM PEACE UNTIL THEY OPENLY ACKNOWLEDGE OUR INTERNATIONAL SUPER-GOVERNMENT, AND WITH SUBMISSIVENESS.

5. The people have raised a howl about the necessity of settling the question of Socialism by way of an international agreement. DIVISION INTO FRACTIONAL PARTIES HAS GIVEN THEM INTO OUR HANDS, FOR, IN ORDER TO CARRY ON A CONTESTED STRUGGLE ONE MUST HAVE MONEY, AND THE MONEY IS ALL IN OUR HANDS.
http://www.aztlan.net/protocols.htm

How far from reality is all this 1% > 10% > 20% > 30% > 99% ?? & I don't give a shit who are the once running this real life show ..... this is the source problem & needs attention from the entire Humanity.

Know your Enemy & you are on your own with all your decisions & actions!!

Should you vaccinate your child with all this love in the air??

Connect all the dots!!




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Old 28-06-2012, 09:21 AM   #8
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Wow... This could very much be the scenario they are after, it makes sense. Personally I would still stay away from vaccines. Whats the point of going through life in that NWO scenario as a mindless zombie? If we allow their plans to go through to its conclusion, I would rather be dead.
Yes it is an interesting take and one I thought of during the swine flu scare but as we are being controlled by the occult and the vaccines are uncannily similar to 'witches brew' I think i would rather die than take their witches brew. It could go deeper than you imagine...
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So, personally I think we (as a society) are overly Vaccinated BUT I am not anti-Vaccine like many. Anyhow, last year I got a waiver to not vaccinate my Son since he is in High School and I feel he doesn't need anymore "boosters" or whatever (as I never had Vaccines in High School) and I had a conversation with my Father that made me go Hmmmmmmm....

My Dad is an ex Hippie who became a Yuppie lol and is fairly pro establishment. He knows the government lies and is dirty, but he cannot accept to the extent this is true. We were discussing Vaccines and why I wanted my Son to be wavered.

So my Dad says something to this effect-

"So, have you ever thought that the Government knows that the Conspiracy community is anti-vaccination and if they are as dirty as you think- This will work out wonderfully for them-"

"How so?" I asked.

"Because the folks who go along in life believing what the authorities tell them will keep getting the shots as the folks who distrust the Government will avoid them in greater numbers each year."

"Okay...???"

"- And each year more resentment at the Government will grow-So at some point in the future when things start to get real rough as you think they will, they could Vaccinate the willing and then release a Virus that would only effect those not Vaccinated- Thus taking out the rebellious ones without ever having to do much digging to see who IS in fact potentially rebellious."



Its a conspiracy on top of a conspiracy coming from someone who doesnt even believe in Conspiracies- But he plays Chess.

And this is all one big game of Chess where moves have been thought out very far ahead...

Anyhow, just an interesting thought. Any comments?
Seriously typical shill post from you, of course what other garbage would you come up with.

How about your father gets it wrong and all the dumb ass sheep who received vaccination are then hit with a massive virus and DIE. and all the suspecting refusing a needle, survive the government plot. But you're living in wonderland here.
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Seriously typical shill post from you, of course what other garbage would you come up with.

How about your father gets it wrong and all the dumb ass sheep who received vaccination are then hit with a massive virus and DIE. and all the suspecting refusing a needle, survive the government plot. But you're living in wonderland here.
Such hostility

The idea behind this post has nothing to do with telling anyone to take Vaccines or not- Frankly I really could care less what people do- I make the choice for myself and my family and expect everyone to be informed enough on these issues to do whats right in their eyes without relying on Conspiracy Theorist or the "Establishment."- The reports are there to read for yourself along with the data. Make of it what you will.

My point was about looking at things from a different angle- The ebil Illuminati is given so much credit for their utter and complete domination of the World but the Internet detectives have "exposed" their plan so "dont take Vaccines!!!! They're trying to kill you with Vaccines"
-I am sure the ebil Illuminati would be smart enough to use this to their advantage as only compliant "sheep" (a word I am sure you brand others with who dont agree with whatever woo you are into this week) would take the life saving vaccines and "Patriots" tough guys like you would be at the mercy of the virus.

Heres the thing though- This all a theoretical discussion as I do not think the ebil Illuminati want to kill us. This was an interesting take on a "what if" scenario which was brought to my attention and I decided to share.

Edit: Its about realizing how multi-leveled things could possibly be. And IF there is a secret cabal ruling the World, you dont think its possible they are behind some of these very Conspiracy Theories to attain a desired result?

I dont know and have never claimed. Its all speculation.

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Yes give him a break friendsinthesky.

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last year I got a waiver to not vaccinate my Son since he is in High School and I feel he doesn't need anymore "boosters" or whatever
Some people are slow to rouse and that's a start! Nice one bluegrazz.
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So, personally I think we (as a society) are overly Vaccinated BUT I am not anti-Vaccine like many. Anyhow, last year I got a waiver to not vaccinate my Son since he is in High School and I feel he doesn't need anymore "boosters" or whatever (as I never had Vaccines in High School) and I had a conversation with my Father that made me go Hmmmmmmm....

My Dad is an ex Hippie who became a Yuppie lol and is fairly pro establishment. He knows the government lies and is dirty, but he cannot accept to the extent this is true. We were discussing Vaccines and why I wanted my Son to be wavered.

So my Dad says something to this effect-

"So, have you ever thought that the Government knows that the Conspiracy community is anti-vaccination and if they are as dirty as you think- This will work out wonderfully for them-"

"How so?" I asked.

"Because the folks who go along in life believing what the authorities tell them will keep getting the shots as the folks who distrust the Government will avoid them in greater numbers each year."

"Okay...???"

"- And each year more resentment at the Government will grow-So at some point in the future when things start to get real rough as you think they will, they could Vaccinate the willing and then release a Virus that would only effect those not Vaccinated- Thus taking out the rebellious ones without ever having to do much digging to see who IS in fact potentially rebellious."



Its a conspiracy on top of a conspiracy coming from someone who doesnt even believe in Conspiracies- But he plays Chess.

And this is all one big game of Chess where moves have been thought out very far ahead...

Anyhow, just an interesting thought. Any comments?
I've thought this before it's an easy way to selectively eliminate the non-conformists and i think there could be some potential in it but I'd rather take my chances with a vaccine free life than. than risk the dammage that vaccines may cause
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Old 28-06-2012, 11:07 AM   #13
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It's a possibility, but I still say if you maintain a very healthy way of living both physically and spiritually, your own immunity can deal with whatever 'they' throw at you (no matter what backhanded methods they may use).

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So, personally I think we (as a society) are overly Vaccinated BUT I am not anti-Vaccine like many. Anyhow, last year I got a waiver to not vaccinate my Son since he is in High School and I feel he doesn't need anymore "boosters" or whatever (as I never had Vaccines in High School) and I had a conversation with my Father that made me go Hmmmmmmm....

My Dad is an ex Hippie who became a Yuppie lol and is fairly pro establishment. He knows the government lies and is dirty, but he cannot accept to the extent this is true. We were discussing Vaccines and why I wanted my Son to be wavered.

So my Dad says something to this effect-

"So, have you ever thought that the Government knows that the Conspiracy community is anti-vaccination and if they are as dirty as you think- This will work out wonderfully for them-"

"How so?" I asked.

"Because the folks who go along in life believing what the authorities tell them will keep getting the shots as the folks who distrust the Government will avoid them in greater numbers each year."

"Okay...???"

"- And each year more resentment at the Government will grow-So at some point in the future when things start to get real rough as you think they will, they could Vaccinate the willing and then release a Virus that would only effect those not Vaccinated- Thus taking out the rebellious ones without ever having to do much digging to see who IS in fact potentially rebellious."



Its a conspiracy on top of a conspiracy coming from someone who doesnt even believe in Conspiracies- But he plays Chess.

And this is all one big game of Chess where moves have been thought out very far ahead...

Anyhow, just an interesting thought. Any comments?
He's assuming vaccination equals immunization. It doesn't. Most vaccines these days (most, not all), are worthless.
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