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Old 01-05-2009, 05:40 PM   #41
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itsallinus, you said "Love has no opposite polarity since it is the only thing that extends beyond this reality matrix."

This oposite was suggested to me, "fear" as an opposite to Love.... ?
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Old 01-05-2009, 05:41 PM   #42
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So if good ol' Henry Makow had his way, we would be living in a nice, orderly, Norman Rockwell world where children eat their greens, women stay in the kitchen and men never have flings with their neighbor's wives?

Hmmm...

But then poor gays would have to be hunted down like animals are "re-educated" into proper "Christian" values.

Fuck that.
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Old 01-05-2009, 06:01 PM   #43
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lucy is still serving the god of the old testament, who asked for blind obeyance and cruelty against other tribes.
Indeed runciter....sadly.

Whether we want to believe it or not, imo we ARE involved in a battle on several levels, mainly imo spiritual, but psychological and physical/material too - an agenda which primarily really DOES use divide and conquer - even down to the spiritual messages in the Bible vs that of 'the opposer'/adversary, through people like Aleister Crowley:

"Love is the Law" would be the message from The Bible - a spiritual, not "religious" message imo....

"Love is the Law, love under will" - the Luciferian message - the 'will' aka 'Thelema' and which promotes the 'spiritual enlightenment' of the self as opposed to the *intercession* of the Holy Spirit.......

*intercession* - Collins Gem Dict: to intercede - to try to end a dispute between two people or groups
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Old 01-05-2009, 06:28 PM   #44
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Those are very wise words imo apekteina - I can't disagree with anything you say.

Have you read/watched/listened to much about the Freeman movement?? That's the kind of society I think would be better....but of course there are many who would disagree. Check out John Harris in particular at www.tpuc.org or this great 2 hour audio:

The Strawman Illusion - The Matrix Exposed:
http://www.thecrowhouse.com/strawman.html

For the time I'm here on this planet most of us want to live in peace, however, as said, the luciferian/satanic mindset absolutely does not want that for the planet - and it's been this way for probably thousands of years.

As 'they' 'channel' or are quite possibly 'possessed' by demonic/satanic entities, so too must we 'channel' the highest intent of the Universe to create the Garden of Eden this planet has the potential to become once more. And if the ongoing struggle we now exist within continues around us we must not 'join in' and perpetuate the misery.

If they "started a war and nobody came" I wonder what would happen then?? That's up to each individual to decide to NOT partake in...but 'we the people' have to know that that's how it all works but that Truth has been kept from us by design.

'Just following orders' and chasing after 'money' from cradle to grave is no longer an option if we want to 'change the world' for the better....but it's a big leap of faith to take and most of us see this option as impossible and VERY 'scary' - hence, we'll never get out....which is what 'they' want.
i'm aware of the freeman movement, however on a personal level it's not something i'd try to become as in my view it acknowledges in some way that maritime law is legitimate in the first place even though i gather attaining freemanship requires proving it isn't. i think the only couple of laws there should be is one of honesty and for people not to fear being honest, along with the right of people to do as they like as long as it doesn't impinge on others right to do what they like. underpinning that i think there should be an agreement for everyone to have a roof over their head with free access to power, clean water, heat and sanitization. everyone should have free food for their bellies and free medical care if and when required. all that would be required of people in return is to contribute some of their time, skill and effort to maintaining such an agreement for themselves and everyone else. oh and i'd throw in a free internet connection as that could be a means for organizing the maintenance, education, entertainment, communication and perhaps "voting" on issues if req'd. dunno why i put "free" btw, there'd be no such thing as money either. soz to repeat myself

i certainly agree about the idea of war and nobody came, imagine if all the cannonfodder (be them "soldiers" or "free-fighters") just thought "sod this, i'm going home to make love to my women and be there as my kids grow up"- the only people left to do the fighting would be the politicians and the puppet masters, and we know generally speaking what a bunch of spineless so&so they are. it's pathetic really and almost laughable if it weren't for the fact innocent people and the mislead cannonfodder end up dying or injured, whilst leaving others orphaned or parentless.

thanks for the links, in return i'd recommend checking out this lordzoma thread http://davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42058 the pdf downland is well worth reading.
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Old 01-05-2009, 06:38 PM   #45
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itsallinus, you said "Love has no opposite polarity since it is the only thing that extends beyond this reality matrix."

This oposite was suggested to me, "fear" as an opposite to Love.... ?
It was a revelation to me creamspyder, when I realised that FEAR IS the opposite of LOVE....

I don't seek to make anyone FEAR me so that I can control them - however, as we are all too aware, those who would 'rule the world' use FEAR as one of their favourite weapons of mass destruction. Instead, I try to love everyone for the person that they are - as in "do unto others" etc - this might sound idealistic but as the saying goes: "forgive them for they know not what they do".....as imo humanity has been deliberately dumbed down to behave like cattle/goyim so that we accept being treated like animals. If I don't see eye to eye with anyone, I accept their opinion and agree to disagree....there's no point fighting over things that are merely going to prove to be antagonistic and which cannot be resolved. Same applies on this forum!!! But woe betide anyone who seeks to impose their physical will upon me - they'd have a fight on their hands!!

Too many people have 'given up' on the human race, including a couple of my own family members and they feel that humanity is its own worse enemy and deserves all that befalls it. However, without having access to all spiritual information - and let's face it, society is indoctrinated with the Luciferian agenda as Henry's article illustrates, the human race is being given a one-sided perspective on what life could potentially be.

One thing I have always disagreed with is the statement to "FEAR God".....

I do not 'FEAR' God - but love him as in a human/family setting I would love my father - with great respect, realising eventually that he only had my best interests at heart and that he is at the pinacle of a hierarchy which requires respect in order for the hierarchy to function to everyone's ultimate best interests and NOT to benefit any individual who sought to impose an alternative, selfish and negative mindset which would cause chaos and destroy family cohesion.

Satanists are free to practise what they wish as far as I'm concerned, - so long as they don't wish to impose it upon others in order to ultimately create a satanic world....

I happen to agree with most of Henry Makow's ideas - although I woundn't wish to prevent women from being 'feminists' - as a woman and a mother in my 50's - being given 'equality' merely meant that I expected, probably of myself, to do most things for the family/home whilst also working full time.....eventually I realised I was on a physical and spiritual hiding to nowhere and life was too short to be in a 'race' which was going, ultimately, imo - nowhere.

I 'came home' to become a Mum again 6 years ago and I've never looked back. It was in the wake of 911 that I began to realise the satanic/Luciferian manipulation of humanity....

My mother and father, and theirs before them, did the best by us to give us good morals and values. My own family has lived in the most part with those same values and my children have good manners, reasonable morals and a knowledge of what previous values were and that their behaviour impacts the wider world.

In my opinion, that's the best, as a responsible human being, I can probably do.

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Old 01-05-2009, 06:49 PM   #46
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Henry Makow knows this too - that's two of us lol - no, there are millions who 'know' too.
Yes. Trust me, I 'know' as well.
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Old 01-05-2009, 06:51 PM   #47
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Excellent post. Gave it 5 stars!

Very disturbing. I am confused about who Lucifer is, the people or ETs behind all our trouble.

It is clear now that we have been deliberately manipulated by evil forces into hating each other for race, gender and any beliefs we want to have.

Females acting like men is a disaster, so is men acting like women. We should be praising the VITAL differences between men and women. Each are vitally important for us to have a well balanced community to live in.

When I was working as a bus driver, a job I did twice for a total of five years the worst verbal abuse I got was from women. The one person who assaulted me was a woman, though the three people that spat on me were men or so they would like to think.

Society is rancid which is just the way Lucifer likes it.
Indeed pduffy and I'm honoured for the stars - but being in control of my false ego - I won't let it go to my head lol!!!

You obviously have experience of people behaving like animals - and what a shame that you should have been subject to it and that people don't realise that when they do that kind of thing ie spitting - they are ultimately doing it to themselves......sigh.

You are such a 'good' soul and don't deserve to be treated in such a way.

Have you seen this video from Max Igan?? It's quite long and probably contains much of what you already know - but it's the little extras that Max talks about that are important:

The Big Picture: Final Cut

http://www.thecrowhouse.com/bigpic.html

...and at the bottom of the main page is: In Lak'ech - I am another Yourself

http://www.thecrowhouse.com/home.html

How are the veg coming along???

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But fear is an illusion, a self created emotion. Love is not the same thing, it is far more than the emotion. Fear comes and goes while love is forever. I don't see the connection.

Fear manifests in the lack of understanding, so perhaps knowledge could be the opposite of fear?
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Yes. Trust me, I 'know' as well.
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But fear is an illusion, a self created emotion. Love is not the same thing, it is far more than the emotion. Fear comes and goes while love is forever. I don't see the connection.

Fear manifests in the lack of understanding, so perhaps knowledge could be the opposite of fear?
With all due respect and with a name like 'ITSALLINUS' - surely you 'know' that it really IS 'all in us'......

FEAR is NOT a self created emotion - those who 'know' God* (!) do not FEAR anything - ANYTHING and only seek to love....I can't say any more than that....it's real and available to us all - we just have to sincerely want to know The Truth of all things with all our body/mind/soul and 'ask'...

FEAR is deliberately touted by 'them' so that we will behave like the proverbial rabbits in the headlights - ie paralized so that a despotic/tyrannical/satanic system can retain control.

Of course we're going to be disappointed daily by the reaction and attitudes of others who don't 'get' what we do....but all we can do is 'live' it and hope for the best. If all else fails in this 'dimension'/planet - our souls/spirits should "graduate" if there's anywhere to graduate to afterwards - and NOT for the detriment of anyone but for the betterment of ourselves and hopefully our fellow human beings.

I believe that once on this journey there really is NO GOING BACK and I, for one, would never wish to do so...
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FEAR is deliberately touted by 'them' so that we will behave like the proverbial rabbits in the headlights - ie paralized so that a despotic/tyrannical/satanic system can retain control.
Actually, FEAR is what "they" use to maintain "order" within their ranks, too...!!

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I love you...!! Sorry, I just felt like saying it...!!
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Actually, FEAR is what "they" use to maintain "order" within their ranks, too...!!


I love you...!! Sorry, I just felt like saying it...!!
....and I, you!!!
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Yes. And just remember, that the gates of Hades Shall Not Prevail!


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I'm well aware that there are many on this forum who don't believe that the battle we are in is fundamentally a spiritual one. Most laugh at the name of God, more so at the thoughts of Satan/Lucifer.

However, after 8 years of ongoing research into well, just about everything, for me there is no denying the existence of absolute evil and the potential for goodness on this planet.

Henry Makow knows this too - that's two of us lol - no, there are millions who 'know' too.

This is Henry's latest article and I urge you all to read it and at least consider the bizarre events of just this past week and what might be behind it all. Also, if you haven't already seen the links to the mp3's and webpage below Henry's article, BE WARNED - this is a very deep spiritual rabbit hole that we are in:


Lucifer's Rebellion Gains Momentum

April 30, 2009

The Hate from the State

by Henry Makow Ph.D.

Little by little, the Illuminati bankers are dropping their mask and revealing the evil agenda behind current events. What is called "progressive" and "liberal" is in fact satanic. What is called "revolution" is aimed at overthrowing God --the natural and spiritual (moral) order-- and replacing Him with dictates of devil worshipers, the Rothschilds and their lackeys.

When we read about "Hate Laws" that protect pedophiles, sex education for five-year-olds, the promotion of homosexuality to heterosexuals, we must see them in spiritual context, as the Luciferian overthrow of all that is natural, healthy, true and good, turning the world upside down, i.e. "revolution."

When we hear about pig flu, let's keep our focus on the big picture. We are infected by a more serious and widespread cancer, satanism, under the guises of communism, liberalism, socialism, zionism, fascism, feminism and globalism. Luciferianism permeates society in the form of materialism, naturalism, occultism, obscenity, sadism, violence, pornography and promiscuity.

No coincidence that Obama asks that Christian symbolism be covered when he speaks. Can you imagine him making the same request at a Jewish or homosexual venue? Obama's own symbolism is Illuminati, reminiscent of the Lucis (Lucifer)Trust. All our leaders covertly signal their true loyalty to Lucifer.

EXTREME

These claims are extreme. I wouldn't make them if they weren't literally true. Reread my account of the 1938 NKVD interrogation of Illuminati insider Chaim Rakover (a.k.a Christian Rakovsky.) This man was a founder of the Comintern and Soviet President of the Ukraine, and ambassador to Paris. He says the Illuminati bankers (i.e. Rothschild syndicate) have infinite wealth and now want absolute power.

They created the Communist state as a "machine of total power" unprecedented in history. In the past, due to many factors, "there was always room for individual freedom. Do you understand that those who already partially rule over nations and worldly governments have pretensions to absolute domination? Understand that this is the only thing which they have not yet reached."

The aim of the Revolution is no less than to redefine reality in terms of their interests and Cabalist beliefs. This involves the promotion of subjective truth over objective truth. If Lenin "feels something to be real" then it is real. "For him every reality, every truth was relative in the face of the sole and absolute one: the revolution."

In other words, white is black and evil is good. Homosexuality which specialists agree is usually a developmental disorder is now something everyone should try. Teachers who protest are fired. Babies who survive abortions are left to die and thrown out with the trash. Obama approves. People who protest the Zionist slaughter of Palestinian women and children lose their jobs.

The Illuminati bankers financed intellectuals who recommended ways to weaken society to accept their tyranny. In a perceptive article, "The Frankfurt School: Conspiracy to Corrupt," Timothy Mathews lists their recommendations, made over 50 years ago. How many do you recognize?

1. The creation of racism offenses.
2. Continual change to create confusion
3. The teaching of sex and homosexuality to children
4. The undermining of schools' and teachers' authority
5. Huge immigration to destroy identity.
6. The promotion of excessive drinking
7. Emptying of churches
8. An unreliable legal system with bias against victims of crime
9. Dependency on the state or state benefits
10. Control and dumbing down of media
11. Encouraging the breakdown of the family

One of the main ideas of the Frankfurt School was to exploit Freud's idea of 'pansexualism' - the search for pleasure, the exploitation of the differences between the sexes, the overthrowing of traditional relationships between men and women. To further their aims they would deny the specific roles of father and mother, and wrest away from families their rights as primary educators of their children.

The School believed there were two types of revolution: (a) political and (b) cultural. Cultural revolution demolishes from within. 'Modern forms of subjection are marked by mildness'. They saw it as a long-term project and kept their sights clearly focused on the family, education, media, sex and popular culture.

BRINGING IT HOME

Since the Illuminati bankers control the mass media, political parties and education, it is not an exaggeration to say society is under mortal attack by its putative leaders. This attack is felt every day.

Let me extrapolate from a small example. The Student's Association at the local university has been dominated by homosexuals and feminists for years. They are holding a Prom on May 8.
Except it is called an "Anti-Prom" and like homosexuality itself, it is a parody of heterosexuality.

"Come as you aren't!" the poster exhorts us. "Dress-up, down, drag, hairy or famous. the stranger the better." An "Anti-King" and "Anti-Queen" will be chosen. BELOW A PICTURE OF MARILYN MONROE, THERE IS A BARELY VISIBLE PICTURE OF A VICIOUS, SNARLING GORILLA.

This University (of Winnipeg) doesn't have a normal Prom. There are few if any heterosexual dances. This is a small example of the toxic environment in which 97% of the population (heterosexuals) now live. Yet, exposed to this government-sponsored, homosexual hatred and hostility, we are expected to exude benevolence and "tolerance" to them, or face public censure.

Another example: I have been reliably informed that local high schools are no longer allowed to set deadlines for assignments. It is felt this does not test the students abilities. Hello? It teaches self-discipline, something our masters apparently don't want young people to have. In my school district, the largest in the city, the Chairman of the School Board is a 29-year-old shop teacher (i.e. woodwork, auto mechanics.) This is how little the community cares or understands about education.


CONCLUSION

Since the so-called "Enlightenment," (as in Lucifer the light-bringer) Western civilization has been based on a denial of God, i.e. Truth, Love and Goodness, and an assertion of man's (i.e. the Illuminati banker's) divinity and right to redefine reality. Modernity is nothing but the neuroses, dysfunction and dissatisfaction created by this solipsistic delusion.

Culture and true civilization are founded on using our spiritual ideals to refine our baser instincts. This is what defines us as human, "gentle" men, civilized. Luciferianism aims to "liberate" us from self-restraint, i.e. self-discipline. It glorifies the animal and rejects the human. Why? Because the Illuminati bankers see us as their cattle, born to serve them. According to Jordan Maxwell, we are branded at birth like livestock. (The number is on our birth certificate.)

We are under a relentless occult psychological barrage. Part is the suggestion that to defend our rights and values is somehow bigoted and "hateful." We have been subjugated by witting and unwitting servants of Lucifer, human demons, sell-outs and traitors. We must resist in every way we can.

http://www.henrymakow.com/luciferian...n_reaches.html

WARNING - If you haven't considered that satan/satanism is VERY real - please be warned that this information goes into great detail about it:

hour 1 Jeff Rense with Tim Rifat

http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/...042809_hr1.mp3

hour 2 Jeff and Tim Rifat

http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/...042809_hr2.mp3

Tim's accompanying webpage: BE WARNED - it's a very deep and disturbing rabbit hole!:

http://www.mindovermatter.ru/RVScien...adio_show.html
Thankyou for putting that up, Suky. It's so good to find at least one person on this forum who understands the deeper implications of all that is happening around us.
At last too, I have found someone who understands the importance of the Holy land and especially Jerusalem in all that is going on from the Crusader, the Knights Templars to the Zionists of today.

Tim Rifad has so much to teach us all.

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So if good ol' Henry Makow had his way, we would be living in a nice, orderly, Norman Rockwell world where children eat their greens, women stay in the kitchen and men never have flings with their neighbor's wives?

Hmmm...

But then poor gays would have to be hunted down like animals are "re-educated" into proper "Christian" values.

Fuck that.
Yep.

I wouldn't take anyone seriously that spreads the kind of hate and misogyny that this guy does.

That makes him just as bad as the people he is trying to condemn. In fact, 'they' thrive due to people like Makow.

He promotes low vibrational frequencies. Food for the 'demons'

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those who 'know' God* (!) do not FEAR anything - ANYTHING and only seek to love....
With equal respect to you sukyspook (I am glad we can discuss this ), this is kinda what I meant that love is the only truth as D.I. explain and I tend to agree with him, it transends the illusionary matrix, all dimensions and truly exists without fear. Does that not make it a different thing all together? It is beyond the word love, cannot be defined as such and the love that exists inside the 3rd Dimensional illusion is the opposite of fear and not true unconditional love, which happens to be our most natural state.

Like I said in my first post on this thread I am only expressing my thoughts on this after reading the previouse posts, feel free to say if you think I'm wrong It's the sharing and learning and teaching of ideas that opens our minds to knowledge.

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Have you seen this video from Max Igan?? It's quite long and probably contains much of what you already know - but it's the little extras that Max talks about that are important:

The Big Picture: Final Cut

http://www.thecrowhouse.com/bigpic.html

...and at the bottom of the main page is: In Lak'ech - I am another Yourself

http://www.thecrowhouse.com/home.html

How are the veg coming along???

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Thank you to Baboshka for introducing me to Max - thanks babo! xx
The veg is not doing too well. Someone on this forum said after seeing my video that the plants did not get enough sun light. I need to plant again which I will do soon. The weather is better no than a few weeks ago which should help.

I will watch the videos today. Just watched an interview with David Icke on CMN - http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/dicke6.htm It is free to join for the archive videos.
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So if good ol' Henry Makow had his way, we would be living in a nice, orderly, Norman Rockwell world where children eat their greens, women stay in the kitchen and men never have flings with their neighbor's wives?

Hmmm...

But then poor gays would have to be hunted down like animals are "re-educated" into proper "Christian" values.

Fuck that.
lol yeah, i mean i enjoy reading some of the fine points Henry makes in all his articles,
but,
i dont know,
the guy still thinks 'old'.
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lol yeah, i mean i enjoy reading some of the fine points Henry makes in all his articles,
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i dont know,
the guy still thinks 'old'.
Mornin' all!!

It's funny you should bring up the word 'old' Vlad - for the last, probably 20 years or so, I've heard nothing but 'new' - new world order; new Labour; new frontiers of science; new discoveries - but with all this 'new'.....have our lives improved that much - I mean apart from automatic washing machines, electric lawnmowers, dishwashers - leaving us more time for....what?? killing nazi zombies or stabbing people on Playstations; listening and watching rappers and their 'bitches' flaunt their booties on their videos or watching some other tragic family on a soap live our lives for us?? (I never play 'games' or watch soaps - NOT THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THEM.....(!)) but when I look around me at the dying town centres; knife attack stories; wars; viruses; illnesses I 'might' get - I just wonder what 'new' has done for me over the values of the 'old'.

IMO there is nothing wrong with 'old' in many ways and we should definately revisit some of the old ways - especially in education, for one thing!!

For me, the promotion of the 'new' above anything 'old' or as we used to say 'traditional' encompasses the very Luciferian agenda Henry writes about - yes, he does go over the top with some of his ideas - but as someone who I suppose is 'middle aged' (gosh, am I lol) I laugh at some of the 'new' and wish that people could understand that 'old' has not always just naturally become 'old hat' but much wisdom of old has been deliberately villified, ignored or even destroyed towards 'man's worship of himself' aka Luciferianism.

I also think that being older and having experience of more 'austere' times in the post-war 50's, I have a longer past to reflect upon just how things have changed - and I'm sad to say that day-to-day, humanity's spiritual condition is sadly lacking most of all....

I hope that in say 30 years time we won't be living in such appalling conditions that we wish ourselves back to the early 2000's when:

"knife crime; child abuse; financial criminality; political sleeze; global pandemics; wars/terrsm etc etc were relatively mild in comparison...."

That kind of future is not an option for me - but then, I believe I 'know' how all this has come about - as does Henry - and will do all I can to alert others so together we can collectively avoid that kind of future materializing.

So don't ignore 'old' vlad/anyone - like God* (!), the word has been given a 'right going over' of late and underservedly so!

I'm really enjoying this thread! It's no use having threads and expecting everyone to merely agree - that'd be a waste of time - but there are ways of voicing opinions as in present company without openly 'attacking' the opinions of others and often stooping to insults and downright rudeness which sometimes stops me even daring to respond on some threads...sigh
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