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What is Freemasonry? What is a Secret Society?

Most Americans have no idea or knowledge of what Freemasonry is or its purpose. They are ignorant of the important historical role Freemasonry has played in the founding this country and influencing the start and outcome of the French Revolution in 1789. Most Americans see the Masons as some harmless fraternal organization that does benevolent acts and provides charity for the needy. However, here are a few historical facts that prove the influence of the Masons in establishing America.

• Masons of the St. John’s Tea Party Lodge and the St. Andrew Lodge dressed up like Indians, carried out the Boston Tea Party, which occurred before the American Revolution, December 16, 1773.

• Of the 56 signers of the “Declaration of Independence,” between 55 to 53 were Freemasons according to the A. Ralph Epperson’s book The Unseen Hand and Jim Marr’s book Rule by Secrecy.

• Of the 55 members of the Constitutional Convention, all but 5 were Masons and the majority of the members of the Continental Congress were also Masons (New World Order by William Still, p. 61).

• “All the staff officers Washington trusted were Masons and all the leading generals of the Army were Masons,” according to the book The Unseen Hand (p. 130). According to book New World Order by William Still, twenty-four of George Washington’s major generals were masons and thirty of thirty-three brigadier generals were Masons (p. 61).

• Masons designed The Great Seal of the United States with its esoteric symbols. According to The Unseen Hand (p. 127), these Masons were Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and John Adams who also appointed the Continental Congress in July 4, 1776. Professor Charles Eliot Norton of Harvard University said that the Great Seal of the USA was a reflection of the Masonic Fraternity. William Still quoted him. “The device adopted by Congress is practically incapable of effective treatment; it can hardly look otherwise than as a dull emblem of a Masonic Fraternity (p. 66).”

• Mason Benjamin Franklin obtained finances and guns for the American Revolution from leading French Masons and the French government.

• According to the book New World Order: The Ancient Plan of Secret Societies by William T. Still (p. 21), seventeen U.S. Presidents were Masons: Washington, Monroe, Jackson, Polk, Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Garfield, McKinley, Teddy Roosevelt, Taft, Harding, F. D. Roosevelt, Truman, Lyndon Johnson, Ford, and Reagan. Three other presidents: Jefferson, Pierce, Taylor, are strongly believed to be Masons. According to William T. Still, this information was obtained in the 1951 edition of Holy Bible, Masonic Edition.

• Masons have always had great influence on the U.S. Supreme Court, according to Paul Fisher’s book Behind the Lodge Door. He states: “The record shows that from the inception of the Supreme Court in 1789 through 1940, there never were more than three Masonic justices during term, except on two occasions.” Beginning with Mason President F. D. Roosevelt’s terms, through the first three years of President Richard Nixon’s term, Masons dominated the Court in a ratio of five to four beginning in 1941 to seven to two in 1946 (p. 14).

These are just a few facts that prove the power and influence of Freemasonry in this country. What is astounding is that very few of these facts are in the history books taught to Americans during their educational process. This further shows that the powers that be do not want these facts to be known.

If one doubts the importance of Freemasonry in the history of the world, a comment in an article in the November, 1946 issue of The New Age Magazine, published by the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, proves this fact. Andre Tardieu, former French Premier, states: “Freemasonry does not explain everything; yet, if we leave out its account, the history of our times is unintelligible.” This is why the Disneyland view of history that the masses are taught does not makes sense. Sanitized history dumbs the masses down and gives them a skewed view of history and the world. Nothing makes sense and they are unable to put the dots or events together. Ralph Epperson in his book The New World Order quotes Many P. Hall saying that Freemasonry is “the most powerful organization in the land.”

The papacy of the Roman Catholic Church has condemned Freemasonry and in 1738 Pope Clement XII said Freemasons were their mortal enemy. Pope Leo XXII stated the purpose of the Freemasons was the“overthrow of the religions, political and social order based on Christian institutions and the establishment of a state of things based on pure naturalism.”

The question that should be asked is: since so many American presidents were and are Freemasons, why is their so little known about Masons? For those who have done the research, they know that the Freemasons are the largest and oldest secret organization in the modern world.

Webster’s New World Dictionary defines “Freemason” as “n. a member of an international secret society having as its principles brotherliness, charity, and mutual aid; Also Free and Accepted Mason”

The dictionary also defined Freemasonry as follows. “Freemasonry is a science of symbols, in which by their proper study....”

This article will deal briefly with the origin and structure of Freemasonry, their beliefs, and evidence of their conspiracy.

History of Freemasonry - Ancient roots of Masonry

Freemasons go back to the Mystery Religions of Egypt and Babylon, which were also very secreted societies. They consisted of a priesthood craft that kept the highest esoteric learning of that time confined to their inner circle and basically used their knowledge to manipulate and control the rest of the populace.

This is a theme that is traceable throughout all secret societies. Recall Moses was sent by the Angel of Yahweh into Egypt to show the tremendous power and “signs and wonders of the Holy Spirit.” Moses was about to confront the “great power” of the Egyptian priesthood who were actually magicians and masterful sorcerers (Jannes and Jambres), and who had extensive esoteric knowledge.

These priests used this knowledge to deceive the people and even to manipulate the rulers of Egypt. For example, it has been recently revealed that the ancient Egyptians employed electric eels to produce ‘electric shock’ for purposes of mind control.

“The Egyptians, in the time of Moses, were proficient in all the arts and sciences,* ... Their language was mystical, and their priests secured the mysteries of their religion from the knowledge of the vulgar or uninitiated by symbols and hieroglyphics, comprehensible alone to those of their order. The fraternity of ancient Egypt was denominated by the Hiero-Laotomi, or Sacred Builders. They were a selected caste, and connected with the government and priesthood, being in fact Masons of the priestly order; whilst the ordinary Masons or articifers were of an inferior caste... Moses was initiated into the secrets and mysteries of the priestly order when in Egypt...(A Dictionary of Freemasonry , pg. 8)”

Manly P. Hall, a Freemason and Master Illuminati says the following about ancient Mystery religions and their ties to Freemasonry: “Every pagan nation had [and has) not only its state religion, but another into which the philosophic elect alone have gained entrance. Many of these ancient cults vanished from the earth without revealing their secrets, but a few have survived the test of ages and their mysteries’ symbols are still preserved. Much of the ritualism of Freemasonry is based on the trials to which candidates were subjected by the ancient hierophants before the keys of wisdom were entrusted to them.

Few realize the extent to which the ancient secret schools influenced contemporary intellects and, through those minds, posterity (The Secret Teachings of All Ages - Manly P. Hall, pg. XXI)”

Craft of Masonry

As with many of the ancient secret organizations, it is hard to discern facts from myth. For example, some Masons believe themselves to be descended from Hiram Abiff (a highly skilled expert master builder on Solomon’s temple), or descendants of a group of builders that worked on Solomon’s temple. Masons also place a great deal of importance on the symbolic meanings of different aspects of Solomon’s temple.

The truth of the matter is the Hiram Abib in the Bible has no connection with Masonry, although Masonry uses him symbolically. Manly P. Hall, the greatest mason of the 20th century, stated the purpose the Hiram Abiff. Quoting from his book The Secret Teaching of All Ages Manly P. Hall states: “As the legend of Chiram Abiff is based upon the ancient Egyptian Mystery ritual of the murder and resurrection of Osiris …(p. XCV)”

The book The Secret Teaching of All Ages states the following about Hiram Abiff: “To the mystic Christian Mason, CHiram represents the Christ who in three days (degrees) raised the temple of His body from its earthly sepulcher. His three murderers were Caesar’s agent (the state), the Sanhedrin (the church), and the incited populace (the mob). Thus considered, CHiram becomes the higher nature of man and the murderers are ignorance, superstition, and fear. The indwelling Christ can give expression to Himself in this world : only through man’s thoughts, feelings, and actions. Right thinking, right feeling, and right action these are three gates through which the Christ power passes into the material world, there to labor in the erection of the Temple of Universal Brotherhood. Ignorance, superstition and fear are three ruffians through whose agencies the Spirit of Good is murder false kingdom, controlled by wrong thinking, wrong feeling, wrong action, established in its Stead. In the material universe evil appears ever victorious (p. LXXVIII).”

Medieval Masons

Masons were actually Master builders of great Cathedrals. Temples secreted their craft and Masons inculcated hidden symbols into these buildings that gave clues to the true nature of the builders. They were not just bricklayers as you might think. It is generally believed in occult circles that these medieval Masons had inherited esoteric knowledge from their pagan antecedents and this knowledge was incorporated into the sacred architecture of the cathedrals.

The “operative” Masons of Europe, persons who were literally in the stone mason trade who formed guilds and lodges, provided not only a pattern of secrecy, but a new “magical order. The lodges of “speculative” Masons of professionals and aristocracy in England provided a legacy of subversion and corruption in the very exercise of their trade.

Do Freemasons fall into one of three groups?

Tony Brown in his book Empower the People identifies three groups in Freemasonry. “(1) the majority who are in the first three degrees, of which the ultimate one is the Master Mason (these are the philosophical innocents, more interested in a better job than curling up at night with a book by Albert Pike); (2) the financially well-off who are philosophically interested and ambitious enough professionally to buy and earn the degrees after Master Mason—men like Jim Show, a Thirty-third-Degree Mason [who defected to Christianity and coauthored The Deadly Deception, an expose of Freemasonry] who was never approached to become a Devil devotee or to do anything that he thought was immoral; and (3) the Illuminati Freemason Luciferian Occultists in the upper degrees and various occult orders, who are every on the lookout for those inclined to and opportunistic enough to sell their souls to the Devil (p. 99).”

Structure of the Freemasonry

Freemasonry is structured into two groups “York Rite” and “The Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry (AASRF).” York Rite Masonry has 13 steps and is more Biblical or Christian based than AASRF which is composed of 33 steps or degrees. AASRF is based on deism, the worship of man’s reason rather than revelations from the Holy Spirit.

Both groups have the first three degrees in common called the “Blue Degrees.” The candidate must take blood oaths not to reveal any Masonic secrets. After the candidate finishes these introductary degrees, he must decide which one of these paths he will take.

The “Blue Degrees” represent the outer part of Freemasonry meaning Masons in the first three degrees are not privy to any deep Mysteries. In fact, the candidates are lied to or deceived into believing false interpretations. The great Albert Pike, Grand Commander, confirmed this in his book Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry. He states: “The Blue Degrees are but the outer court or portico of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the Initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them. Their true explanation is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry (p. 819).”

Note to the reader: Albert Pike was MP Sovereign Grand Commander of the Supreme for the Southern Jurisdiction of the United States from 1859-1891, whose headquarters was in Charleston, South Carolina.

Freemasonry, the Universal Religion

What must be understood is that Freemasonry believes it is the universal religion of the Ancient Mysteries. This is pointed out in the literature of the Masons. Quoting the book New World Order, it states: “Thus, Masonry is a great fellowship of men of all countries and ages who are capable of discovering in the religious teachings of all humanity, some of them crude indeed, the fundamental truth COMMON TO THEM ALL: that God is the Father of all mankind (p. 156). “

It must be understood that the ultimate goal of all levels of Masonry is to receive more Light. Now the question is who or what is this Light? As any student of the Bible knows, there are two great Lights. The great archangel Lucifer was the great Light in heaven prior to his fall (Isa. 14:12-14) and the Messiah told His disciples that He was the Light, the Way and the Truth (Jn. 14:6).

Two of the greatest Masonic writers, Albert Pike of the 19th century and Manly P. Hall of the 20th century, confirmed this point. The book New World Order quotes Albert Pike. “Masonry is identical with the Ancient Mysteries (p. 160).” Pike goes to say Masonry is “the successor of the Mysteries.” Manly P. Hall states: “…in masonry, the ancient religious and philosophic principles still survive.” Readers of the book of Revelation understand that the Masons are one of the Mystery religions of Mystery Babylon the Great, the Abomination of the Earth (Rev. 17:5). Albert Pike states in his book Morals and Dogma: In fact masonry, successor of Mysteries, still follows the ancient manner of teaching… Though Masonry is identical with the Ancient Mysteries … (p. 11)” So, Freemasonry is a mystery religion.

God of the Freemasonry

Masonry believes that they have knowledge of the true and only god. Ralph Epperson’s book New World Order quotes a noted Mason, Henry Clausen, the Past Sovereign Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite, in his book entitled Clausen’s Commentaries On Morals And Dogma. He states that there is only one god, and that one of the purposes of Masonry is to teach its initiates just who that one god is: “The true knowledge of the One Supreme Deity is given (p. 156).”

Now that an understanding of the structure of the Masons, the outer and inner circle, is understood, the specifics about the Masonry god can be explained. On first glance the Mason’s god appears to be the same God of the Bible or Yahweh Elohim, but on closer investigation this is not true. On closer scrutiny of the Freemasons writings one can see that they worship nothing more than the pagan mystery religions’ gods or deities.

The Masons called their god “The Great Architect of the Universe.” Albert Pike brings out this point in a lecture he gave to 28th Degree Masons in a work called MAGNUM OPUS: He writes: “We conclude this Lecture with that which has always been, and we believe always will be the Masonic idea of the Supreme Being: We call Him the Grand Architect of the Universe, considering that Universe as His most significant temple and perfect work of architecture (p. 42).” Although this god, “The Great Architect of the Universe,” is in reality Yahweh-Elohim, the Masonic writings show that they are referring to another God by the attributes they have given to him. We find out later after careful investigation, the other god they refer to is Lucifer. In short, as Albert Pike says there are two meanings.

In the Masonic writings on “The Great Architect of the Universe,” whom they worship in the Masonic hall, the Masons use many ancient symbols and pagan deities to refer to this god. They are the Sun, the snake, and the Egyptian God Osiris. Manly P. Hall, a 33 degree Masons, in his book The Secret Teaching of All Ages say that the ancient rites of the Sun God are alive in the Masons. He states: “Sun worship played an important part in nearly all the early pagan Mysteries. The Solar Deity ... was slain by wicked ruffians, who personified the evil principle of the universe. By means of certain rituals and ceremonies, symbolic of purification and regeneration, this wonderful God of Good was brought back to life and became the Savior of His people ... in Masonry, the ancient religious and philosophical principles still survive.” Thus, we have one great mason saying that pagan rites and ceremonies are believed in masonry. This contradicts the scriptures, for Yahweh forbade Israel from worshipping any graven images or idols. In addition, Albert Pike in his writings said the ancient Egyptian Sun god and Osiris rival the god Adonai, which is Yahweh-Elohim, according to the book Masonry Conspiracy against Christianity.

Here are a few quotes from the Masonic writings that proves that their God is not of the Bible or Yahweh Elohim. Albert Pike points in his book Morals and Dogma:

• “… Horus, the Son of Osiris, himself symbolized also by the Sun, … (p. 15)”

• “The horned serpent was the hieroglyphic for a God, (p. 495)”

• The God or Elohim of the Bible is a rival of the pagan deities Osiris and Baal “…… AL, AL Schadi, Alohayim, and Adonai; as Chief or Commander of the Heavenly Armies; as the aggregate of the Forces Alohayim of [Nature]; as the Mighty, the Victorious, the Rival of Baal and Osiris (p. 697);”

• The Sun is the hieroglyphical sign of the Truth, because it is the source of light…. (p. 776)”

• Masonry is a march and struggle toward the Light (p. 32).

What is the Mystery of the light of Freemasonry?

Masonry does not initially tell its beginning candidates what or who is the Light, especially in the lower degrees. Many believe that this light is the Messiah, but the writings of some of the great Masons reveal this great mystery. A few quotes will illustrate that Lucifer is the Light of Masonry. This is big a mystery. Here are some of the quotes of Albert Pike which proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Freemasonry’s great “Architect of the Universe” is Lucifer.

• “LUCIFER, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light ... ? Doubt it not (p. 320)!”

• Manly P. Hall’s book entitled THE LOST KEYS OF FREEMASONRY. This quote by this 33rd Degree Mason is another source for this belief, because he wrote: “When the Mason learns the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy. ‘

• “The True name of Satan… is that of Yahveh, reversed; for Satan is not a black god, but the negation of God The Devil is the personification of Atheism or Idolatry. Satan ... this is not a Person, but a force, created for good, but which may serve as evil (p. 102).”

• “To prevent the light from escaping at once, the Demons forbade Adam to eat the fruit of ‘knowledge of good and evil’ by which he would have known of the Empire of Light and that of Darkness. He obeyed; an Angel of Light induced him to transgress . . . (p. 567).”

• A book entitled THE MYSTERIES OF MAGIC, A DIGEST OF THE WRITINGS OF ELIPHAS LEVI was one from which Albert Pike copied a lot of his writings. This is what he wrote about Lucifer in his book “XXXVIII: What is more absurd and more impious than to attribute the name of Lucifer to the devil, that is, to personified evil. The intellectual Lucifer is the spirit of intelligence and love; it is the paraclete it is the Holy Spirit, while the physical Lucifer is the great agent of universal magnetism.”

The above quotes clearly prove that Freemasons are worshippers of Lucifer. This is the hidden mystery that is revealed to those of the higher degrees of Freemasonry.

Other Beliefs of Masons

Important figures an/or events in Free Masonic History

The Disneyland version of history that most Americans were taught in school and college does not mention the role that Freemasonry has played in world events. This proves that American history is censored and that hidden force controls the educational system. In other words, the American populous is being deliberately dumbed down, which is a repeat of the conditions of Israel when the Messiah appeared. He told the leaders of Israel that they had taken away the “Keys of Knowledge (Lk. 11:52).” Manly P. Hall in What the Ancient Wisdom Expects of Its Disciples points out that secret organizations were always the power behind the thrones. He writes: “... the ancient initiates [whom the Masons link themselves to ... are the invisible powers behind the thrones of earth, and men are but marionettes, dancing while the invisible ones pull the strings. We see the dancer, but the master mind that does the work remains concealed by the cloak of silence.”

• Albert Pike said that Masonry “… aided in bring about the French Revolution (p. 24).” What is not brought out in our history books is that freemasonry was one the forces that established democracy by overthrewing the monarchies of Europe and the Rome Catholic Church.

• Manly Hall said in his book The Lost keys of Freemasonry, “Masonry is an ordainer of kings. Its hand has shaped the destinies of worlds …,” He also boasts that Freemasonry is the most powerful organization in the land.

• There is no question of the importance of Freemasonry’s role in the founding of this country. Now George Washington, founding father and first president of the United States of America, was a 33rd degree Mason himself. Even in his day, he understood the threat of a subversive force in Freemasonry (Illuminati) and was warned about it.

Secrets and Power of the Masons Revealed

Captain Morgan of Batavia New York was the first person to reveal some of the inner secrets of Freemasonry, which resulted in the Masons murdering him. He revealed the initiation rites of the lower degrees or the Blue Degrees, which included rituals, passwords, and secret oaths. William T. Still wrote in his book New World Order: “The concern over the influence of secret societies in the United States grew steadily until an anti-Masonic explosion erupted in 1826, after the murder of one Captain William Morgan, of Batavia New York. Morgan was killed by Masons shortly after obtaining a copyright for an expose on Masonry. Morgan’s crime was that he was the first to publish the complete rituals, including the oaths and secret passwords of the first three degrees of Masonry, known as the Blue Lodge (p. 98).”

Now Captain Morgan’s book touched off a firestorm. According to William T. Still in 1826 there were 50,000 Masons in America. After the publishing of this book 45,000 left the Masons and resulted in as many 2,000 lodges closing between 1830-1840. As the result of this scandal, a political party called the Anti-Mason party was formed. It got 130,000 votes in the 1832 presidential election and carryied the state of Vermont. William T. Still quoted William J. Whalen’s writing in 1958, who explained: “…Rhode Island and Vermont passed laws against blood oaths. Thousands of Masons burned their aprons. In a few years time, membership in the New York lodges dropped from 30,000 to 300 as a direct result of the Morgan incident( p. 108).”

Two states, New York and Massachusetts, began an investigation of the Masons. The findings of these states showed the power the Masons had over the press at this time and the influence of the Masons in the political arena. Bill Still lists their findings below:

• The New York State Senate in 1829 began an investigation of the Masons. Its findings revealed that Masonry was “composed of powerful and wealthy men whose members held office in almost “every place where any importance.” They also criticized the role of the press, thereof, saying the press had been “...silent as the grave. This proclaimed sentinel of freedom, has felt or has been smitten with the rod of its power.”

• Five years later, in 1834, a joint Committee of the Massachusetts legislature investigated the Craft. “It found that Freemasonry was a distinct independent government within our own government, and beyond the control of the laws of the land by means of its secrecy.”

It there is any doubt of the Masons’ influence in this country an incident with one the U.S. President should clarify the point. This incident is not in most history books. If it is, the most important facts are left out. The U.S. Congress tried to impeach President Andrew Johnson because he pardoned Albert Pike, who was a General in the Southern Army when they fought against the North in the Civil War.

After the Civil War, Pike was tried for treason, found guilty, and sent to jail. Many of the Mason brothers used their influence to get Pike pardoned for he was the Grand Master of the Southern District. Now President Andrew Johnson, being a Mason, pardoned Pike April 22, 1867, but did not inform the press for nine months. Because of the Anti-Mason fervor in this country, Congress impeached President Johnson in March 1867. During this impeachment hearing President Johnson, Albert Pike and General Granger had a meeting for three hours in the White House. The General was summoned by the house Judiciary Committee and asked about this meeting. William Still’s book stated that the General said the following. “They [President Johnson and Pike] talked a great deal about Masonry. More about that than anything else. And from what they talked about between them ... I understood from the conversation that the President was [Pike’s] subordinate in Masonry (p. 123).”

Shortly thereafter, President Johnson was given the fourth through the 32nd degrees of the Scottish Rite Masonry in his bedroom in the White House. Now this shows the power and the influence of Masonry and its shows that the President of the United States is subordinate to the Grand Master of Freemasonry.

Are Freemasons and Secret societies operating by a pattern?

Many of the symbols in Masonry come directly out of the Bible. For example the 33rd degree is the highest degree and it is compared to Yahshua’s 33 year life and ministry. The Messiah brought in a new order or Covenant out of the chaotic darkness under the old Covenant due to sin. The motto of the 33rd degree “Ordo Ab Chao,” means “order out of chaos.”

Freemasonry uses the number 13 and it appears many times on the U.S. Great Seal. This is compared to 12 tribes of Israel and the 13th is the Levite tribe (Priesthood and keepers of the tabernacle). Also Yahshua was surrounded by 12 disciples and He was the 13th.

Freemasons swear to “blood oaths” just as Israel under the LAW swore to a “Blood oath” with Yahweh when they agreed to the terms of the covenant Moses presented to them from Yahweh when he came down from the mount. Scriptures says that the covenant was dedicated with blood. William T. Still tells us about some of the ‘blood oaths’ in the lower degrees of Freemasonry in his book New World Order, pg. 99-100, 103).

Now Masonry is a secret order, meaning they have secrets that their members are forbidden to divulge. Likewise, in comparison the Hebrew Priesthood, was a secret order. They kept the secrets of the ministry of the tabernacle; none but them knew how to officiate therein).

What are the goals of the Freemasonry?

As was stated throughout this article and lecture, Masonry seem to be a harmless and benevolent organization to the public and the majority of its members, who are in the “Blue Degrees.” It is especially clear to the officials of the Roman Catholic Church and others in the know that Masonry and the Church are locked into a spiritual and psychological battle for the souls on earth. This battle is ideological and that is irreconcilable. William T. Still quotes a French Masonic author Le Couteulx de Canteleu, who wrote Les Sectes et Societies Secretes, in 1863. This book explains the aim of secret societies. “As a whole [it] was, is and will always be the struggle against the Church and the Christian religion, and the struggle of those who have not against those who have .... All secret societies have almost analogous initiations, from the Egyptian to the Illuminati, and most of them form a chain and give rise to others (p. 98).”

Quoting from William Still’s book, another French writer Vicomte Leon de Poncins, explained that the aim of Freemasonry is “to pervert the Christian nature of Western civilization into a Masonic “religion” he called “atheist rationalism.” According to de Poncins, the destruction of Christianity is “indispensable” to Masonry in order to establish this “new political and social city... in its place.’ ... the deeper meaning of the struggle is religious. It is a conflict between God and man lead by reason alone (p. 98)”
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At each empire transition, the kings / emperors,
made much effort to delete the prior empire.
First the Roman Emperor sent in soldiers to demolish
Egyptian memories.
Second, the Kings of Europe sent in soldiers to
demolish pagan memories.

They did not want us to see the patterns and connections.

The freemasons or 'ancient magician priests', have
followed the blue blood through the mediteranian ,
into Europe.

When will people wake up and see the pharaohs as
the seed for all world monarchs.
The freemasons as the support mechanism.

I mean, does the following sound familiar?

''Royalty, treated their dogs so well that
ordinary people resented them because they
were treated better than people.
The dogs of some pharaohs had 2,000 attendants.''

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You just don't give up do you buddy?
All this energy directed at Freemasons and so much of it negative.
History can be interpreted just how anyone chooses. go back far wnough and no one alive today was around to say exactly who sid what and why.
History comprises special pleading conflated with agenda deiven guesswork or is simply written by the victors.
I asked you this on another thread and you didn't answer so here goes again.
Do you actually know any Freemasons personally?
Real Freemasons, who are alive now.
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………………………Freemasons go back to the Mystery Religions of Egypt and Babylon, which were also very secreted societies. They consisted of a priesthood craft that kept the highest esoteric learning of that time confined to their inner circle and basically used their knowledge to manipulate and control the rest of the populace.
So if they were so secret how come you know about them?

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This is a theme that is traceable throughout all secret societies. Recall Moses was sent by the Angel of Yahweh into Egypt to show the tremendous power and “signs and wonders of the Holy Spirit.” Moses was about to confront the “great power” of the Egyptian priesthood who were actually magicians and masterful sorcerers (Jannes and Jambres), and who had extensive esoteric knowledge.
Can you tell us how you know this in words which everyone can understand and not by using your particular type of hyperbole?

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These priests used this knowledge to deceive the people and even to manipulate the rulers of Egypt. For example, it has been recently revealed that the ancient Egyptians employed electric eels to produce ‘electric shock’ for purposes of mind control.
Absolute rubbish! Electric eels are native to South America. It is sometimes thought, maybe not correctly, that a certain type of electric catfish were used by ancient Egyptian physicians to cure migraines in their patients.

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“The Egyptians, in the time of Moses, were proficient in all the arts and sciences,* ... Their language was mystical, and their priests secured the mysteries of their religion from the knowledge of the vulgar or uninitiated by symbols and hieroglyphics, comprehensible alone to those of their order. The fraternity of ancient Egypt was denominated by the Hiero-Laotomi, or Sacred Builders. They were a selected caste, and connected with the government and priesthood, being in fact Masons of the priestly order; whilst the ordinary Masons or articifers were of an inferior caste... Moses was initiated into the secrets and mysteries of the priestly order when in Egypt...(A Dictionary of Freemasonry , pg. 8)”
Again, how do you know this? Or how does the person you copied it from know this?

The rest of your long and rambling post I’ll leave to the Masons.

There is not much point in commenting further on your posts because when I ask ‘how do you know this’ I never get an answer and thus we never get to understand your thought processes.
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As one of the few Masons on here, it is getting harder and harder to bother to reply to his ramblings. I have only briefly scanned the above post as it is, as per usual long, copied and rather one sided and biased. As soon as I saw the comment about pike and lucifer, I lost even more interest in the post as I have already explained that massively miss understood quote several times and he always spews it out again without realising he has missed the chance to see the truth by a mile... again...
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He's persistent though, we have to give him that.
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He's persistent

So is Herpes.
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Now I'm back home and can respond to this post properly since I forgot my laptop at home and only had my phone.

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Most Americans have no idea or knowledge of what Freemasonry is or its purpose.
I'd agree with this statement.

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Masons of the St. John’s Tea Party Lodge and the St. Andrew Lodge dressed up like Indians, carried out the Boston Tea Party, which occurred before the American Revolution, December 16, 1773.
I'm sure there were Masons involved with that event, but there were probably just as many non-Masons involved as well. Here is an exerpt from an article I wrote last year:

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St. Andrew’s Lodge owned and met in the Green Dragon Tavern. St. Andrew's Lodge members included some well-known revolutionaries such as Paul Revere, John Hancock, and Joseph Warren.

On November 29th, the Tea Ship Dartmouth arrived which spurred the already riled Joseph Warren, leader of the Committee of Correspondence, to call a massive town hall meeting to discuss returning the tea to Britain. The minutes of St. Andrews Lodge for November 30th minutes state:

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Lodge adjourned on account of the few Brothers present. Consignees of TEA took the Brethren’s time.
Then December 16th, the night of the Tea Party, came around and the minutes of the Lodge state:

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Present [5 officers]. Lodge closed on account of the few members in attendance, until to-morrow evening.
It should be pointed out that this tavern was home to such groups as the North End Caucus, the Sons of Liberty, and the Boston Committee of Correspondence, whose membership was composed of Masons and non-Masons. It is likely that members of the Lodge did take part in the Tea Party, but many non-Masons also took part and probably planned the event. The fact that the tavern was owned by the Mason is incidental. This event occurred at a time when the Colonists were tired of the British Crown sudden interest in affairs of the American colonies.

For too long the colonists lived relatively isolated from Great Britain and the Crown practiced essentially "salutary negligence" which forced the colonists to govern themselves. Until the time of the wars of the kings of France and England, the British Crown and Parliament never levied taxes upon the colonies. Once the Crown was bankrupt it attempted to pull revenue from the colonies to reimburse the costs of war. Through various passed laws and colonist reactions, we see a handful of men send a powerful message to the Crown. This act would lead to the Coercive and Intolerable Acts that would further strip long held colonist power and degrade the relationship that led to the Revolutionary War.
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Of the 56 signers of the “Declaration of Independence,” between 55 to 53 were Freemasons according to the A. Ralph Epperson’s book The Unseen Hand and Jim Marr’s book Rule by Secrecy.
Incorrect. Only 9 of the 56 were Masons.

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Of the 55 members of the Constitutional Convention, all but 5 were Masons and the majority of the members of the Continental Congress were also Masons (New World Order by William Still, p. 61).
Actually only 39 signers at the Convention that signed that historic document. Of those 39 signers there were 13 Masons.

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“All the staff officers Washington trusted were Masons and all the leading generals of the Army were Masons,” according to the book The Unseen Hand (p. 130). According to book New World Order by William Still, twenty-four of George Washington’s major generals were masons and thirty of thirty-three brigadier generals were Masons (p. 61).
Of Washington's 74 Generals, 33 were Masons.

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Masons designed The Great Seal of the United States with its esoteric symbols. According to The Unseen Hand (p. 127), these Masons were Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and John Adams who also appointed the Continental Congress in July 4, 1776. Professor Charles Eliot Norton of Harvard University said that the Great Seal of the USA was a reflection of the Masonic Fraternity. William Still quoted him. “The device adopted by Congress is practically incapable of effective treatment; it can hardly look otherwise than as a dull emblem of a Masonic Fraternity (p. 66).”
Ben Franklin was the only Mason on any of the committees to propose designs for the Great Seal of the US. Thomas Jefferson at this time cannot be said to be a Mason, there is no evidence. I've written on this a bit:

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The first mention that the Great Seal was connected to the Freemasons came in 1884, when Harvard Professor Eliot Norton wrote that the reverse of the Great Seal of the US was a “dull emblem of a Masonic fraternity.” It seems the good Professor was a little lacking on knowledge and didn't have all the facts surrounding the creation.

The first committee charged with creating the Great Sea was established on July 4th, 1776, and was composed of Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and John Adams with Pierre du Simitiere as the artist. Ben Franklin was the only Freemason. Franklin proposed a design a scene similar to Moses at the Red Sea with the Egyptian Pharoah being overwhelmed with the phrase “Resistance to Tyranny is Obedience to God.” Jefferson proposal was Israel being led through the wilderness while Adam’s was of Hercules between the rugged path of Virtue and the flowery meadow of Sloth. These were all rejected. Du Simitiere contributed much to the future design, such as “E Pluribus Unum” , the shield, the Eye of Providence in the radiant triangle.

The Second committee was composed of James Lovell, John Morin Scott, and William Churchill Houston with the help of Francis Hopkinson (Signer of the Declaration of Independence, helped design American flag, and designed many government seals). Hopkinson's first design had a shield with thirteen diagonal red and white stripes, supported on one side by figure bearing an olive branch and representing peace, and on the other an Indian warrior (which later be replaced with a soldier) holding a bow and arrow, and holding a shiver. The crest was a radiant constellation of thirteen stars. The motto was "Bello vel pace paratus", meaning "prepared in war or in peace“ (a theme used later with the Eagle holding the olive branch and arrows). The reverse, in Hopkinson's words, was "Liberty is seated in a chair holding an olive branch and her staff is topped by a Liberty cap. The motto `Virtute perennis' means `Everlasting because of virtue.' The date in Roman numerals is 1776.“ From this committee the following would be incorporated into the final design: the white and red stripes within a blue background for a shield, a radiant constellation of 13 stars, and an olive branch.

The Third committee was composed of John Rutledge, Arthur Middleton, and Elias Boudinot with the help of William Barton (a heraldic expert). This time, the figures on each side of the shield were the "Genius of the American Confederated Republic" represented by a maiden, and on the other side an American warrior. At the top is an eagle and on the pillar in the shield is a "Phoenix in Flames". The mottos were "In Vindiciam Libertatis" (In Defense of Liberty) and "Virtus sola invicta" (Only virtue unconquered). On the reverse, there was used a pyramid of thirteen steps, with the radiant Eye of Providence overhead, and used the mottos "Deo Favente" (With God's Favor, or more literally, God Favoring) and "Perennis" (Everlasting). The pyramid had come from another Continental currency note designed in 1778 by Hopkinson, this time the $50 note, which had a nearly identical pyramid and the motto "Perennis". Barton had at first specified "on the Summit of it a Palm Tree, proper", with the explanation that "The Palm Tree, when burnt down to the very Root, naturally rises fairer than ever", but later crossed it out and replaced it with the Eye of Providence, taken from the first committee's design. Again, Congress rejected the submitted design. From this committee the following would be incorporated into the final design: eagle and a pyramid of 13 steps.

The Fourth and final committee was composed of only Charles Thomson, Secretary of the Congress, who took elements of the previous committees and added “Annuit Coeptis”, “Novus Ordo Seclorum” and finally came out with the design we have today. Charles Thomson had received classical training and worked as a Latin tutor at the Academy of Philadelphia.

So many theorists believe that "Novus Ordo Seclorum" translates into "New World Order" when in reality it translates to "New Order of the Ages" and America was. With assistance, we had trounced on one of the mightiest empires the world had seen in a long time. The country had limitless potential and we were establishing a "government of the people, by the people, for the people."

Some of the theories include the number 13 which many speculate is a very significant number with Freemasonry. I've read about all sorts of elaborate measures taken to saturate the Great Seal with 13 because it correlates to something within Freemasonry, yet they always seem to dismiss the simple and obvious explanation of the original 13 colonies.

Many point out that because Freemasonry today uses the All-Seeing Eye as a symbol and that the Great Seal has the Eye of Providence above the pyramid that they must be connected. One thing I have learned in my research and time in Masonry is that symbols do not have a singular or exclusive meaning, interpretation, or use. While both interpret to represent God, the Divine, this doesn't constitute a direct connection or that the Masons are somehow involved with the design. Symbols for a long time were the preferred method of non-verbal communication as so many were illiterate.

Again, as I said above, even faced with the facts some people will hold tight to their theories.
People really should do proper research before opening their mouths.

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According to the book New World Order: The Ancient Plan of Secret Societies by William T. Still (p. 21), seventeen U.S. Presidents were Masons: Washington, Monroe, Jackson, Polk, Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Garfield, McKinley, Teddy Roosevelt, Taft, Harding, F. D. Roosevelt, Truman, Lyndon Johnson, Ford, and Reagan. Three other presidents: Jefferson, Pierce, Taylor, are strongly believed to be Masons. According to William T. Still, this information was obtained in the 1951 edition of Holy Bible, Masonic Edition.
I don't count LBJ as he only received the 1st degree and would have been dropped from the membership after 2-years of no progression.

Reagan was not a Mason. He received honorary certificates from the Scottish Rite and Shriners, but that doesn't confer membership upon him.

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Masons have always had great influence on the U.S. Supreme Court, according to Paul Fisher’s book Behind the Lodge Door. He states: “The record shows that from the inception of the Supreme Court in 1789 through 1940, there never were more than three Masonic justices during term, except on two occasions.” Beginning with Mason President F. D. Roosevelt’s terms, through the first three years of President Richard Nixon’s term, Masons dominated the Court in a ratio of five to four beginning in 1941 to seven to two in 1946 (p. 14).
Here are the most accurate numbers there are on the subject: http://bessel.org/sctfmy.htm

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The papacy of the Roman Catholic Church has condemned Freemasonry and in 1738 Pope Clement XII said Freemasons were their mortal enemy. Pope Leo XXII stated the purpose of the Freemasons was the“overthrow of the religions, political and social order based on Christian institutions and the establishment of a state of things based on pure naturalism.”
Who cares what this guy did or said. Just because he was Pope doesn't make his words correct or accurate.

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History of Freemasonry - Ancient roots of Masonry
You post this information as if it is fact, but you should make it clear that this is a theory and nothing more.

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For example, some Masons believe themselves to be descended from Hiram Abiff (a highly skilled expert master builder on Solomon’s temple)...
What Masons are these? The Hiramic legend is not about a family lineage.

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...or descendants of a group of builders that worked on Solomon’s temple.
We commemorate the men who built the Temple, but we don't claim to be descendants.

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The truth of the matter is the Hiram Abib in the Bible has no connection with Masonry, although Masonry uses him symbolically.
This is true.

Manly P. Hall is entitled to his beliefs and opinions. I'd say at least for some Masonic groups they are based on esoteric Christianity.

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The lodges of “speculative” Masons of professionals and aristocracy in England provided a legacy of subversion and corruption in the very exercise of their trade.
Your opinion only.

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Tony Brown in his book Empower the People identifies three groups in Freemasonry.
Albert Mackey wrote a far better and accurate description of 3-groups in Freemasonry.

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(2) the financially well-off who are philosophically interested and ambitious enough professionally to buy and earn the degrees after Master Mason—men like Jim Show, a Thirty-third-Degree Mason [who defected to Christianity and coauthored The Deadly Deception, an expose of Freemasonry] who was never approached to become a Devil devotee or to do anything that he thought was immoral;
First off, Jim Shaw was not a 33rd. He was a 32nd, but there exists no evidence nor did he ever provide evidence that he was ever invited to receive the Scottish Rite honors.

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and (3) the Illuminati Freemason Luciferian Occultists in the upper degrees and various occult orders, who are every on the lookout for those inclined to and opportunistic enough to sell their souls to the Devil (p. 99).”
What are these "upper degrees"?

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Freemasonry is structured into two groups “York Rite” and “The Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry (AASRF).”
[BUZZER] Incorrect. The York and Scottish Rite are just two rites, there are many more.

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York Rite Masonry has 13 steps and is more Biblical or Christian based...
Incorrect. There are 4-Royal Arch degrees, 2-Cryptic degrees (with 1-optional degree), and 3-Chivalric Orders. Last time I checked 4+3+3 = 10, not 13, but then again this is only the main degrees. Several of the invitational organizations stemming from the York Rite have several degrees.

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...than AASRF which is composed of 33 steps or degrees. AASRF is based on deism, the worship of man’s reason rather than revelations from the Holy Spirit.
The Scottish Rite doesn't confer the 1st 3-degrees. The Scottish Rite is more philosophical than the York Rite, but the York Rite is much older. While the Templar Orders require one to be Christian, the Royal Arch and Cryptic degrees don't require one to profess a specific faith.

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The candidate must take blood oaths not to reveal any Masonic secrets.
Incorrect. No blood is spilled during our oaths.

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After the candidate finishes these introductary degrees, he must decide which one of these paths he will take.
Incorrect. One doesn't need to go beyond the Lodge. There is no requirement to advance to other bodies.

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The “Blue Degrees” represent the outer part of Freemasonry meaning Masons in the first three degrees are not privy to any deep Mysteries. In fact, the candidates are lied to or deceived into believing false interpretations.
You're misconstruing the words of Pike.

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“The Blue Degrees are but the outer court or portico of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the Initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them. Their true explanation is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry (p. 819).”
These words are from the 30th degree and were actually intended to mean that those who deserve to be misled will be misled. The degree also demonstrates the dangers of fascists and despots who have historically suppressed freethinkers.

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What must be understood is that Freemasonry believes it is the universal religion of the Ancient Mysteries.
"Masonry is not a religion. He who makes of it a religious belief, falsifies and denaturalizes it."
- Albert Pike

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Now the question is who or what is this Light?
Knowledge or enlightenment.

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God of the Freemasonry
There is no "God of the Freemasonry" which in itself is a poorly written sentence.

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Masonry believes that they have knowledge of the true and only god.
According to?

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On closer scrutiny of the Freemasons writings one can see that they worship nothing more than the pagan mystery religions’ gods or deities.
No upon seeing what you want to see.

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The Masons called their god “The Great Architect of the Universe.”
You are misleading here. We use GAOTU (for short) as a generic term in Lodge. We do this as we have members of various faiths in attendance and do not elevate one's faith over others. That whole tolerance thing you'r unfamiliar with.

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Here are a few quotes from the Masonic writings that proves that their God is not of the Bible or Yahweh Elohim.
None of these quotes state that any of these beings are worshiped by Freemasons.

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“LUCIFER, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light ... ? Doubt it not (p. 320)!”
Actually this quote doesn't state anything about worshiping Lucifer, but that Pike was just pointing out an irony. Also note that I do not believe Lucifer to be the Devil, the Fallen Angel. Lucifer was a Babylonian king who fell from grace; he was a man, not a divine being.

You do also realize that Manly P Hall wrote most of his books years before joining Freemasonry.

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This is the hidden mystery that is revealed to those of the higher degrees of Freemasonry.
Then how do you know about it?

Democracies? Those evil bastards!

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Now George Washington, founding father and first president of the United States of America, was a 33rd degree Mason himself.
False. While the Scottish Rite did exist it was not the same system we know it as today. There wasn't a 33-degree system in that time, but rather only 25-degrees, but regardless Washington never joined the Scottish Rite. The Scottish Rite 33-degree system would not come about until after Washington's death.

Intro to the Scottish Rite

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Captain Morgan of Batavia New York was the first person to reveal some of the inner secrets of Freemasonry which resulted in the Masons murdering him.
Captain was a self-given name. There exist no records to say he ever served.

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He revealed the initiation rites of the lower degrees or the Blue Degrees, which included rituals, passwords, and secret oaths.
Which was not unique as there were already several books out on this very thing. There was no need for Masons to kill him over this.

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Morgan was killed by Masons shortly after obtaining a copyright for an expose on Masonry.
Allegedly.

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Now Captain Morgan’s book touched off a firestorm.
Yes, this gave fuel to anti-Masons to let the lies fly. Many Masons were bullied and harassed during this time, and you would celebrate this. Disgusting. Freemasonry as it usually does, comes back stronger.

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Freemasonry uses the number 13 and it appears many times on the U.S. Great Seal.
Where? Where do we use 13? As to the Great Seal and the use of the 13...the number of colonies comes to mind.

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It is especially clear to the officials of the Roman Catholic Church and others in the know that Masonry and the Church are locked into a spiritual and psychological battle for the souls on earth.
Who cares what the Roman Catholic Church thinks?! They are guilty of many crimes since their inception.

We are not competing against the Catholics for the souls of anyone.

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All this energy directed at Freemasons and so much of it negative.
It's obsession fueled by hatred and bigotry.
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Why would anyone be proud of an society that lies to its members. Up until the publication of Sephen Knights The Brotherhood

freemasons believed that there were only 3 degrees, now we know there are 33.
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That still going round? There are more than 33 degrees, you are just talking about the ancient and accepted rite, please do some real research not just post half theories. That book is complete tosh by the way. I read it whilst I was waiting to be initiated, strangely what I found "Once In" was completely different. Strange eh?
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Captain Morgan?? Great Rum really
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Why would anyone be proud of an society that lies to its members. Up until the publication of Sephen Knights The Brotherhood

Ah yet another book written about Freemasonry by someone who is not a Freemason, containing sensationalism.
I wonder if it was written as a meal ticket........

And Freemasonry does not lie to its members.



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freemasons believed that there were only 3 degrees, now we know there are 33.

If you don't know there are 33 degrees IN THE A&AR before you join, you do soon after.
Your above statement is as ridiculous as saying that it is not known whether it will rain tomorrow.
No-one knows until they know.

Its not a case of 'Join the A&AR.'
'ok, how many degrees are there?'
'oh I can't tell you until you've done them all'
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Ksigmason, thanks for that earlier post which debunks so many ludicrous myths about Freemasonry.
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There is not much point in commenting further on your posts because when I ask ‘how do you know this’ I never get an answer and thus we never get to understand your thought processes.
I will put you in the basket, with the other masonic cases,
if i detect any further defending, of the satanic sport.
You pretend to be a non-mason, but going by your
blatant denial , you are affiliated in some way.

Your impertinent questioning and ignorance failed to understand the VERY SIMPLE ANSWERS.

Your question - HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS?

FOR THE TENTH TIME;
1) HIEROGLYPHS IN THE TOMBS
2) Book of the dead / pyramid texts
3) Pottery with depictions.

UNDERSTAND NOW?

Or will you continue to DENY BLATANT HISTORY.


And the other tripe coming from these satanic
sportsmen -

HISTORY IS FACT!!!!! OUTCOMES HAVE ESTABLISHED!!!

And the hieroglyphic of Egypt, give us HARD EVIDENCE,
THAT THE PHARAOHS AND THE MONARCHY ARE ONE.
THAT THE PIESTS OF ANCIENT EGYPT USED THE METHODS
AND RITUALS OF THE FREEMASON ORDER TODAY.
THAT MERLIN AND ALL THE OTHER WIZARDS, WERE
THESE MAGICIAN PRIESTS.
THE PHARAOHS INVENTED THE SAIL, PRE 3500BC.
THEY HAD SEAWORTHY SHIPS AND CAME TO ANCIENT
ENGLAND.
THEY USED CIRCLES OF MAGIC, IN THEIR RITUALS,
SOUND FAMILIAR?


Now are you egyptologists? historians?

Then do not deny facts. Or maybe you lot can provide
evidence to prove my reports / articles wrong?

come on defenders, i am waiting?

go wipe all the glyphs and destroy egyptian history,
like the Romans tried to do.

You will not hold the people back from learning the truth,
because it is human beings RIGHT to know his
history and destiny.

OUR ANCESTORS WILL POINT US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION - THE HISTORY OF OUR MONARCHY & RULERS.

Then we will see the corruption at its very seed.

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I will put you in the basket

if i detect

Your impertinent questioning and ignorance failed to understand the VERY SIMPLE ANSWERS.
A fine display of arrogance there.
Your useage of the word impertinent makes me laugh the most.


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Or will you continue to DENY BLATANT HISTORY.


And the other tripe

HISTORY IS FACT

Just because YOU interpret history the way YOU do does not make it true. You have an uncanny ability to see what you are looking for in anything, whilst ignoring the most obvious and rational of conclusions.
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I will put you in the basket, with the other masonic cases,
if i detect any further defending, of the satanic sport.
You pretend to be a non-mason, but going by your
blatant denial , you are affiliated in some way.

Your impertinent questioning and ignorance failed to understand the VERY SIMPLE ANSWERS.

Your question - HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS?

FOR THE TENTH TIME;
1) HIEROGLYPHS IN THE TOMBS
2) Book of the dead / pyramid texts
3) Pottery with depictions.

UNDERSTAND NOW?

Or will you continue to DENY BLATANT HISTORY.


And the other tripe coming from these satanic
sportsmen -

HISTORY IS FACT!!!!! OUTCOMES HAVE ESTABLISHED!!!

And the hieroglyphic of Egypt, give us HARD EVIDENCE,
THAT THE PHARAOHS AND THE MONARCHY ARE ONE.
THAT THE PIESTS OF ANCIENT EGYPT USED THE METHODS
AND RITUALS OF THE FREEMASON ORDER TODAY.
THAT MERLIN AND ALL THE OTHER WIZARDS, WERE
THESE MAGICIAN PRIESTS.
THE PHARAOHS INVENTED THE SAIL, PRE 3500BC.
THEY HAD SEAWORTHY SHIPS AND CAME TO ANCIENT
ENGLAND.
THEY USED CIRCLES OF MAGIC, IN THEIR RITUALS,
SOUND FAMILIAR?


Now are you egyptologists? historians?

Then do not deny facts. Or maybe you lot can provide
evidence to prove my reports / articles wrong?

come on defenders, i am waiting?

go wipe all the glyphs and destroy egyptian history,
like the Romans tried to do.

You will not hold the people back from learning the truth,
because it is human beings RIGHT to know his
history and destiny.

OUR ANCESTORS WILL POINT US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION - THE HISTORY OF OUR MONARCHY & RULERS.

Then we will see the corruption at its very seed.

I bet if one was to translate your rantings into German, then dress up as Hitler not a single person would believe it was you that had written all this diatribe.
But then as you appear to exhibit all the characteristics of a Fascist perhaps we shouldn't be surprised.
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I will put you in the basket, with the other masonic cases,
if i detect any further defending, of the satanic sport.
You pretend to be a non-mason, but going by your
blatant denial , you are affiliated in some way.

Your impertinent questioning and ignorance failed to understand the VERY SIMPLE ANSWERS.

Your question - HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS?

FOR THE TENTH TIME;
1) HIEROGLYPHS IN THE TOMBS
2) Book of the dead / pyramid texts
3) Pottery with depictions.

UNDERSTAND NOW?

Or will you continue to DENY BLATANT HISTORY.


And the other tripe coming from these satanic
sportsmen -

HISTORY IS FACT!!!!! OUTCOMES HAVE ESTABLISHED!!!

And the hieroglyphic of Egypt, give us HARD EVIDENCE,
THAT THE PHARAOHS AND THE MONARCHY ARE ONE.
THAT THE PIESTS OF ANCIENT EGYPT USED THE METHODS
AND RITUALS OF THE FREEMASON ORDER TODAY.
THAT MERLIN AND ALL THE OTHER WIZARDS, WERE
THESE MAGICIAN PRIESTS.
THE PHARAOHS INVENTED THE SAIL, PRE 3500BC.
THEY HAD SEAWORTHY SHIPS AND CAME TO ANCIENT
ENGLAND.
THEY USED CIRCLES OF MAGIC, IN THEIR RITUALS,
SOUND FAMILIAR?


Now are you egyptologists? historians?

Then do not deny facts. Or maybe you lot can provide
evidence to prove my reports / articles wrong?

come on defenders, i am waiting?

go wipe all the glyphs and destroy egyptian history,
like the Romans tried to do.

You will not hold the people back from learning the truth,
because it is human beings RIGHT to know his
history and destiny.

OUR ANCESTORS WILL POINT US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION - THE HISTORY OF OUR MONARCHY & RULERS.

Then we will see the corruption at its very seed.
I am not sure what your agenda is, apart from stigmatising Masonry that is. Your posts make no sense and I would advise you to take more care when you post, making sure that your sentences and paragraphs are comprehensible to others.

None of the artefacts remaining from ancient Egypt support your theories, which appear to be a mixture of Masonry/ religion/monarchy. I wonder how you think the hieroglyphs have any bearing on modern monarchy? The Romans did not attempt to destroy the history of Egypt. If they had wanted to do so you can be sure they would have been extremely thorough.The burning of the library at Alexandria appears to have been accidental.
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Old 22-04-2013, 03:07 PM   #19
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HISTORY IS FACT!!!!!
to quote from the narrator in braveheart, "history is written by the victors."
the study of history tends to be very subjective.
yours is laughable.
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Up until the publication of Sephen Knights The Brotherhood
Stephen Knights provides little to no sources as to any of his assertions, he just expects his readers to take his word for it.

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freemasons believed that there were only 3 degrees, now we know there are 33.
Well, this completely inaccurate in so many ways. As you are not a Mason you cannot speak as to what they think or know. Second, there is much more to Freemasonry than the 33 degrees of the Scottish Rite, much more. Third, the Blue Lodge, the main and most important body of Freemasonry is only 3-degrees. The other bodies like the Scottish Rite is an appendant or concordant body only, they are not superior in any way.

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Ksigmason, thanks for that earlier post which debunks so many ludicrous myths about Freemasonry.
No problem.

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You pretend to be a non-mason, but going by your
blatant denial , you are affiliated in some way.
Many non-Masons don't hate us like you do. You are the minority.

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HISTORY IS FACT!!!!!
Haven't you said in the past that history can be fabricated? I'm guessing you're one that denounces all opposition as being fabricated or fake, except when it suits your agenda. You're not for facts, you're for propaganda.
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