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Old 04-02-2013, 01:37 PM   #1
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Jordan Maxwell said in his video "Matrix of Power" that one of the reasons why JFK was killed was because he and his brothers were Roman Catholics, which threatened the Freemasons that ruled America with a Kennedy Roman Catholic Dynasty that would reign for 24 years. He says that the Vatican and the Masons are old enemies.

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However, when you listen to David Icke, he seems to say that the Illuminati control the Freemasons and the Vatican.

Is there a contradiction here? Are all secret societies working together or are they at war with each other too?

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Old 04-02-2013, 03:47 PM   #2
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However, when you listen to David Icke, he seems to say that the Illuminati control the Freemasons and the Vatican.

Is there a contradiction here? Are all secret societies working together or are they at war with each other too?
Freemasonry was a product of the enlightenment era, which was in part connected to the Protestant Reformation. It's also said they evolved out of the Rosicrucian furor throughout Europe, which was Protestant.

There are many different groups with apparently different ideas & visions for the world. At the lowest levels, I have no doubt they consider themselves enemies. This is most obvious with Freemasonry & the Catholic Church. I agree with Icke, though; at the highest levels, these different groups are united by an umbrella group. It's this umbrella organization that people refer to as the "Illuminati". It's essentially a network of various different groups.
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Old 04-02-2013, 06:10 PM   #3
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Catholics are barred from becoming Freemasons under penalty of excommunication.

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The enlightenment era & thus Freemasonry represents the new world order, or order for the new age, since the days of monarchs & the Catholic Church represents the old world order.

Thing is, most people claim the NWO is just the same old world order implementing a new system for their global control.

Is Freemasonry really the Vatican's enemy then? Or just a front for the real ptb?
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Jordan Maxwell said in his video "Matrix of Power" that one of the reasons why JFK was killed was because he and his brothers were Roman Catholics, which threatened the Freemasons that ruled America with a Kennedy Roman Catholic Dynasty that would reign for 24 years. He says that the Vatican and the Masons are old enemies.
Well, the Vatican has only condemned Freemasonry since 1738, but even then the Masons have no animosity to the Catholic Church. The Freemasons had nothing to do with the death of the Kennedys and it should be known that there are plenty of Catholics who are Masons.

No, the Freemasons do no control the US.
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Well, the Vatican has only condemned Freemasonry since 1738, but even then the Masons have no animosity to the Catholic Church. The Freemasons had nothing to do with the death of the Kennedys and it should be known that there are plenty of Catholics who are Masons.

No, the Freemasons do no control the US.

Yep sorry to disillusion all you CTers but we don't actually control anything much, apart from our bladders and bowels........and even then that only extends to the younger of us..........


We don't actually give two hoots about who doesn't like us or who condemns us, we know lots do, guess what! we don't care!
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