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Old 20-11-2016, 11:49 AM   #1
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Default Standford Prison Experiment - How Ordinary People Become Evil

How systematic dehumanization and collectivism leads to ordinary people doing evil.

Psychology: The Stanford Prison Experiment - BBC Documentary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb4Q20z0T1Q

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanfo...son_experiment

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Old 20-11-2016, 12:26 PM   #2
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We have all been to primary school, and seen that most kids like bullying. Only a minority will not do it.

So we have all seen this.

This is how, govs can use gang stalking to ruin anyone they want for the whole of there lifes, as they know people love seeing others destroyed, and a large minority of them would love to take part in seeing another destroyed.

I always say, if given the chance most would like to torture others.

So, this is why govs target kids in school, as they know traits in your early years, will continue into adult life. Ie the fact that most kids will like to bully, will continue into adult life.

So its hardly a shock, lots showed this in the above stanford experiment.
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Old 20-11-2016, 12:47 PM   #3
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It's the perfect example of the phrase 'power corrupts', isn't it.

In some ways, it negates the need for conspirators, when we can do it ourselves.
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Old 20-11-2016, 03:41 PM   #4
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Have a read about the Stanley Milgram experiments, as well.

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The Stanley Milgram Experiment was created to explain some of the concentration camp-horrors of the World War 2, where Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, Slavs and other enemies of the state were slaughtered by Nazis.

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Many war-criminals claimed they were merely following orders and could not be held responsible for their actions, in the trials following the World War 2.

Were the Germans in fact evil and cold-hearted, or is this a group phenomenon which could happen to anyone, given the right conditions?
https://explorable.com/stanley-milgram-experiment
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Another important experiment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asch_c...ty_experiments

Scientific proof of "sheeple".
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Old 20-11-2016, 04:05 PM   #6
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Have a read about the Stanley Milgram experiments, as well.



https://explorable.com/stanley-milgram-experiment
Interesting point I remember from when I studied the Milgram experiment, when studies were performed with different cultures they found a variation across cultures. I tihnk the Germans scored the highest for obedience (no surprise) but it was the Australians who were the most likely to disobey the instructor and refuse to electrocute (well done AUSSIES!)
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Old 22-11-2016, 01:07 AM   #7
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Another important experiment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asch_c...ty_experiments

Scientific proof of "sheeple".
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Old 22-11-2016, 02:26 AM   #8
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How systematic dehumanization and collectivism leads to ordinary people doing evil.
This is total BS , and I can't believe posters here have fallen for the lie that "dehumanization and collectivism leads to ordinary people to do evil"

These were experiments .... the volunteers were being paid to participate ... the whole thing being supervised by university staff.

If I were one of these paid volunteers I would know that the supervisors would not break the law , because they could be prosecuted in court

I would know the volunteer I was giving the shock to was there willingly even if he screamed when I gave him the electric shock .

If he was not there willingly the university supervisors could be charged with kidnapping and criminal injury !!!

This bears no relation to the real world , is probably a NWO psi-op to convince us all how 'evil' we are !

Nazis followed orders because if they didn't they would be killed.

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This is total BS , and I can't believe posters here have fallen for the lie that "dehumanization and collectivism leads to ordinary people to do evil"

These were experiments .... the volunteers were being paid to participate ... the whole thing being supervised by university staff.

If I were one of these paid volunteers I would know that the supervisors would not break the law , because they could be prosecuted in court

I would know the volunteer I was giving the shock to was there willingly even if he screamed when I gave him the electric shock .

If he was not there willingly the university supervisors could be charged with kidnapping and criminal injury !!!

This bears no relation to the real world , is probably a NWO psi-op to convince us all how 'evil' we are !

Nazis followed orders because if they didn't they would be killed.
I agree that you can't fully compare these experiments to the real world. Interesting experiments nevertheless.
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This is total BS , and I can't believe posters here have fallen for the lie that "dehumanization and collectivism leads to ordinary people to do evil"

Nazis followed orders because if they didn't they would be killed.
Its not that simple and It would be extremely foolish to claim that the Nazis didn't use dehumanization and collectivism, and that it wasn't a very important element in the whole mass murder process and countless experiments ...


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I would say it do...
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Old 23-11-2016, 04:41 PM   #11
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This is total BS , and I can't believe posters here have fallen for the lie that "dehumanization and collectivism leads to ordinary people to do evil"

These were experiments .... the volunteers were being paid to participate ... the whole thing being supervised by university staff.

If I were one of these paid volunteers I would know that the supervisors would not break the law , because they could be prosecuted in court

I would know the volunteer I was giving the shock to was there willingly even if he screamed when I gave him the electric shock .

If he was not there willingly the university supervisors could be charged with kidnapping and criminal injury !!!

This bears no relation to the real world , is probably a NWO psi-op to convince us all how 'evil' we are !

Nazis followed orders because if they didn't they would be killed.
People are a lot more savvy nowadays, relative to the time when most of these experiments took place. Certainly in the Milgram study, the participants evidenced all of the stress responses suggestive of them believing the situation to be real. If you read the transcript, you'll see that the 'learner' was begging to exit the experiment, and all of this was broadcast to the 'teacher'.

They're not allowed to do this kind of research anymore for ethical reasons- many of the participants were extremely traumatised by the experience. As DrSteam mentions, the simple fact is that throughout history, and continuing to this day, you'll find a surprising number of people who really are willing to just 'take orders' - it allows them to override their own sense of responsibility... "Just doin' my job".

You see it from the first moments that humans begin to socialise, in schools for example. Many children have a natural inclination towards pack mentality and bullying. How many people are willing to stand up against someone unfairly bullying another person? Deep down, they're just glad it's not them. They align with the bully as a means of protection- so it's not a dissimilar theme.
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Old 24-11-2016, 07:02 PM   #12
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I've seen this before... very interesting how our minds work (or should I say don't work) Here's a video of 10 experiments (including the one with the electric shocks that I also remember)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qH2q59pSZc
It's very disturbing to see what people will do when put in situations like these. We are social people, and maybe to the point of this being a weakness of our psychology. Also interesting is what happens when we are completely isolated... alone. Nothing but our own thoughts to drive us mad. This movie is a good example of the mental breakdown:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TWYDogv4WQ
The human mind is a strange thing... BTW, what is good and what is evil? There was an episode of the original Star Trek tv show where captain kirk splits into two versions of himself (one "good", one "evil")
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12tMVK42yQg
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