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Old 30-07-2012, 07:16 PM   #6681
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You've already been beaten but now your even beating yourself.

You obviously don't realise that a cradle is flat.

The baby is in the cradle ( bed ) ofcourse which are FLAT.

You've actually proved my point.

acctually, cradle is moving left,right, left, right...

same as earth shift from left to right when it orbit the sun.

Transliteration:
[079:030] Waal-arda baAAda thalika dahaha

Arabic (from right to left):

‏79:30 والارض بعد ذلك دحاها
[079:030] He made the earth egg-shaped.

how can it be flat if it is egg shaped?????


The spherical shape of the earth is alluded to in the ayah, “…He wraps the night over the day, and wraps the day over the night…” [al-Zumar, 5] The word wrap, “yakawwiru,” is understood to mean in a circular fashion, as the Arabs used it for wrapping a turban.
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Old 30-07-2012, 07:25 PM   #6682
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If you still doubt that mahd is cradle in arabic

1. Lisan Al-Arab dictionary [1] , Book 2, Page 790.

2. Al-Muheet dictionary [2], Page 303.

3. Al-Muajam Al-Waseet dictionary [3], Page 889.

4. Al-Mawrid dictionary Arabic-English section [4], Page 1132.

5. Al-Mawrid dictionary English-Arabic section [4], Page 227.

6. Arabic-English dictionary the Hans Wehr dictionary [6], Page 928.


مهد (mahd): cradle.


then you should look at this, let have a look at other verse wich use word mahd

Noble Verse(s) 19:29
Arabic (from right to left):

‏19:29 فاشارت اليه قالوا كيف نكلم من كان في المهد صبيا
Yusuf Ali:

[019:029] But she pointed to the babe. They said: "How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?"

Transliteration:

[019:029] Faasharat ilayhi qaloo kayfa nukallimu man kana fee almahdi sabiyyan

or maybe we shall translate it like this according to you

[019:029] But she pointed to the babe. They said: "How can we talk to one who is a child in the flat?" is this logical to you ?

It's perfectly logical that a cradle is a bed where the baby is sleeping and a cradle is FLAT.

You just don't realise do you ?



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stop embrassing yourself for God's sake, you make fool of yourself

YOU CAN NEVER BEAT ME IN ISLAMIC KNOWLEDGE, NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY
I don't need to try, I've already beat you and now your beating yourself for me. Thanks

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Transliteration:
[079:030] Waal-arda baAAda thalika dahaha

Arabic (from right to left):

‏79:30 والارض بعد ذلك دحاها
[079:030] He made the earth egg-shaped.




The Arabic word "dahaha":

Here is what Dr. Zaghlool Al-Naggar, one of the top seven Geologists in the World, said about the Arabic word in question:

الدلالة اللغوية لدحو الأرض
‏(‏الدحو‏)‏ في اللغة العربية هو المد والبسط والإلقاء‏,‏ يقال‏‏ دحا‏)‏ الشيء‏(‏ يدحوه‏)(‏ دحوا‏)‏ أي بسطه ومده‏,‏ أو ألقاه ودحرجه‏,‏ ويقال‏‏ دحا‏)‏ المطر الحصي عن وجه الأرض أي دحرجه وجرفه‏,‏ ويقال‏:‏ مر الفرس‏(‏ يدحو‏)(‏ دحوا‏)‏ إذا جر يده علي وجه الأرض فيدحو ترابها و‏(‏مدحي‏)‏ النعامة هو موضع بيضها‏,‏ و‏(‏أدحيها‏)‏ موضعها الذي تفرخ فيه‏.‏

(http://www.nooran.org/E/7.htm)

My Translation:

Linguistic evidence to the "dahu" (egg-shapping) of the Earth

The "dahu" in the Arabic Language means to extend and even out. It is said: "daha" the thing; "yad'hu dahwan". These terms can mean he either evened out and extended it or he threw it and rolled it. It is also said: "the rain daha the stones from the face of the earth," which means it rolled it and washed it away. It is also said: "The horse passed by yad'hu dahwan," which means he is beating his foot on the ground and yad'hu its sand. Also, the ostrich's mad'hi means its laying of its eggs, and "ad'hiha" is the nest where its chicks are born.

End of translation.

So as we clearly see, all of the above Arabic words that are derived from "daha" mean:

1- To extend.

2- To roll.

3- To even out.

4- Causing to become egg-shaped or creating, making or producing eggs (see the ostrich's mad'hi example above).


All of these meanings perfectly apply to our planet Earth and the stages that it went through!
Why lie ( again and again and again ? )

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Daha and Duhiya

In Arabic, each word must be derived from its root. The root usually consists of three letters that can be manipulated, by adding vowels, prefixes and suffixes in order to produce different words with different meanings. For example, "ka-ta-ba" (to write) is the root for many words such as kitab (book), maktaba (library), katib (author), maktoob (written), kitabat (writings) et cetera.
Let's now take the word mentioned to mean egg of an ostrich, "Duhiya". This word is not a root. It is a noun and is derived from "da-ha-wa", the same root that the verb "dahaha" comes from. Furthermore, Duhiya does not even mean the egg of an ostrich. This is what the most respected dictionaries have to say on this subject:

Lisan Al Arab
الأُدْحِيُّ و الإدْحِيُّ و الأُدْحِيَّة و الإدْحِيَّة و الأُدْحُوّة مَبِيض النعام في الرمل , وزنه أُفْعُول من ذلك , لأَن النعامة تَدْحُوه برِجْلها ثم تَبِيض فيه وليس للنعام عُشٌّ . و مَدْحَى النعام : موضع بيضها , و أُدْحِيُّها موضعها الذي تُفَرِّخ فيه .ِ

Translation: Al-udhy, Al-idhy, Al-udhiyya, Al-idhiyya, Al-udhuwwa:The place in sand where an ostrich lays its egg. That's because the ostrich spreads out the earth with its feet then lays its eggs there, an ostrich doesn't have a nest.

الدَّحْوُ البَسْطُ . دَحَا الأَرضَ يَدْحُوها دَحْواً بَسَطَها . وقال الفراء في قوله والأَرض بعد ذلك دَحاها قال : بَسَطَها ; قال شمر : وأَنشدتني أَعرابية : الحمدُ لله الذي أَطاقَا
بَنَى السماءَ فَوْقَنا طِباقَا
ثم دَحا الأَرضَ فما أَضاقا
قال شمر : وفسرته فقالت دَحَا الأَرضَ أَوْسَعَها ; وأَنشد ابن بري لزيد بن عمرو بن نُفَيْل : دَحَاها , فلما رآها اسْتَوَتْ
على الماء , أَرْسَى عليها الجِبالا
و دَحَيْتُ الشيءَ أَدْحاهُ دَحْياً بَسَطْته , لغة في دَحَوْتُه ; حكاها اللحياني . وفي حديث عليّ وصلاتهِ , اللهم دَاحِيَ المَدْحُوَّاتِ يعني باسِطَ الأَرَضِينَ ومُوَسِّعَها , ويروى ; دَاحِيَ المَدْحِيَّاتِ . و الدَّحْوُ البَسْطُ . يقال : دَحَا يَدْحُو و يَدْحَى أَي بَسَطَ ووسع
Translation: To daha the earth: means to spread it out. Then it mentions a couple of Arabic poems that confirm this meaning. Anyone who can read Arabic will find this to be the definitive proof that Daha means to spread out.

Al Qamoos Al Muheet
(دَحَا): الله الأرضَ (يَدْحُوهَا وَيَدْحَاهَا دَحْواً) بَسَطَها
Translation: Allah daha the Earth: He spread it out.

Al Waseet
دَحَا الشيءَ: بسطه ووسعه. يقال: دحا اللهُ الأَرض
Translation: To daha something: means to spread it out. For example: Allah daha the Earth.

Lane's Lexicon
Dhaheelath see dahl, near the end of the paragraph. dhahhal One who hunts, or catches game, by making use of the dhahool so in the verse cited voce dhahool l. (TA.) Dhahil Very rancorous, malevolent, malicious, or spiteful; wont to hide enmity, and violent haired, in his heart, and to watch for opportunities to indulge it, or exercise it. (Az, TA.)
Dhahool (an arabicized word from the Pers. Dhakhool) A thing which the hunter of gazelles sets up (for the purpose of scaring them into his toil or into the neighbourhood of his place of concealment), consisting of pieces of wood: (S : ) or a thing which the hunter sets up for (the purpose of scaring) the (wild) asses, (K, TA,) and As adds, and the gazelles, (TA,) consisting of pieces of wood like short scars (K,* TA) stuck in the ground, with some pieces of ragged cloth upon their heads; and sometimes set up at night, for (the purpose of searing) the gazelle, with the addition of a lighted lamp; (TA; ) (whence) Dhu-r-Rummeh says, Wa Yashrabna Ajnan Wannujoomu Ka’annaha Masabeeh dahhalin Yuzakkee Zubalaha
(And they drink water that is altered for the worse in taste and colour, while the stars are like the lamps of the hunter by means of the Dahool when he make. their wicks to blaze brightly): (TA : ) the pl. is dawaheel (K.)

Dahw
1. Daha (., MM_b;,, 1,) first pers. Dahouth aor, yad'hoo inf. N. dahoo He spread; spread out, or forth; expanded; or extended; (S, Msb, K; ) a thing; (K; ) and, when said of God, the earth; (Fr, S, Mb, 1V; ) As also daha first pers. dahaithu (K in art. daha) aor. yaad’heae inf. n. dahae: (Msb, and K in art. dahae : ) or He (God) made the earth wide, or ample; as explained by an Arab woman of the desert to Sh: (TA : ) also, said of an ostrich, (S, TA,) he expanded, and made wide, (TA,) with his foot, or leg, the place where he was about to deposit his eggs: (S, TA : ) and, said of a man, he spread, &c., and made plain, even, or smooth. (TA in art. dhaha ) - Also, said of a man, (K,,) aor. yad’hoo, inf. n. dahwu(TA,) i.q. Jamie as also daja; on the authority of 1Abr. (TA.) (You say, dhahaha He compressed her; like as you say, dhajaha.) _ Also He threw, or cast, and impelled, propelled, oi removed from its place, a stone, with his hand (TA.) One says also, to him who is playing with walnuts, abidil maddha va adhhuhu, meaning (Make thou the distance far, and) throw it. (S,TA.: See also midh’hath, in two places. And of a torrent one says, dhaha bilbat’hai It cast along (the soft earth and pebbles in its course; or drove then along). (TA.) And of rain, one says, dhaha Al hissa an waj’hil Ardhi (S,Msb) It drove the pebbles from the surface of the earth; (Msb; ) or removed them. (TA.) (See also dhaha, in the next art.) And aldhahwu bilhijarathi also signifies The vying, one with another, in throwing stones, and striving to surpass (in doing so); as also al Midahath (inf. n- of dahee). (TA marra yad’hoo inf.n. dahow said of a horse, He went along throwing out his fore legs without raising his hoofs much from the ground. (S,TA.) = dhahal bathan The belly was, or became, large, and hanging down; (Kr, K; ) and Indhahee (the belly) was, or became, wide, or distended: (MF : ) or both signify it (the belly) became swollen, or inflated, or big,. and hung down, by reason of fatness or disease; as also Dhau and Indah (TA in art dooh.) 3. Dhahee inf.n. Mudahath: see 1. 5. Thud'hee He spread out, or extended, himself; syn. Thabassuth. (K: in art. Daha.) You say, nama fulan fathadhahha Such a one slept, and (extended himself so that he) lay upon a vide space of ground (TA in that art.) - And thadhahhathil ibilu fil ardhi The camels made hollows in the ground where they lay down, it being soft; leaving therein cavities like those of bellies: thus they do only when they are fat. (El-'Itreefee, TA in art. Daha. ) 7. see 1, last sentence. 9. id'havi (of the measure if’alath for if’alle like Ar’awa) It (a thing, TA) was, or became, spread, spread out or forth, expanded, or extended. (K.)
Dhahin (act. part n. of 1). Allahumma dhahil Mad’huwwath in a prayer of ‘Alee, means O God, the Spreader and Expander of the (seven) earths: (TA : ) al Mdhuwwath (properly) signifies the things that are spread, &c.; as also Al Mudh’hiyyath. (TA in art. dhaha ) _ Al’Matharuddahee The rain that removes (or drives) the pebbles from the surface of the earth. (TA.)
Ud'hiyy (S.K) (Originally od'huwa of the measure Uf’ool from dhahaithu but said in the S to be of that measure from dhahouthu the dial. var. dhahaithu not being there mentioned,) and and id’hiyy and Ud’hiyyath and ud’huwwath (K) The place of the laying of eggs, (S, K,) and of the hatching thereof, (S,) , of the ostrich, (S. K. ) in the sand; (K; ) because that bird expands it, and makes it wide, with its foot, or leg; for the ostrich has no (nest such as is termed) Ush (S: ) pl. Adahin (TA in the present art.) and Adahee (i. e., if not a mistranscription, Adahiyyu agreeably with the sing.): (TA in art. dhaha and mudhhiyya (likewise) signifies the place of the eggs of the ostrich. (S.) (Hence,) binthu Adh’hiyyathun A female ostrich. (TA.)_(Hence also,) Al Udkhiyyu and Al Id’hiyyu A certain Mansion of the Moon, (K, TA,) (namely, the Twenty-first Mansion,) between the Na’aai’m sa’dha zabih (more commonly) called Al Baldath likened to the Adhahhee of the ostrich. (TA.)
Ud’huwwath and udh’hiyyath: see the next preceding paragraph, in three places: - and for the latter, see also mid’hath, below.
Mad’han see ud’hiyy
Mid’hath A wooden thing with which a child is driven along (yud’ha), and which, passing over the ground, sweeps away everything against which it comes (K, TA.) - Accord. to Sh, A certain thing with which the people of Mekkeh play: he says, I heard El-Asadee describe it thus: Almadahiyy and Almasadiyy signify stones like the (small round cake of bread called) qursath, according to the size which a hole is dug, and widened a little: then they throw those stones (yad’hoona biha) to that hole and if the stone fall therein, the person wins; but if not, he is overcome: you say of him yad’hoo and yasdoo when he throws the stones (Iza dhahaha) over the ground to the hole: and the hole is called ud'hiyyath. (TA.) (Accord. to Freytag, the authority of the Deewan El-Hudhaleeyeen, A round thing made of lead, by the throwing of which persons contend together.)
Almadhuwwath and almad’hiyyath see Dahin,

Dhaha

1. Dhaha first pers. Dhahaithu,aor. yad’ha inf.n. dhah’ya: see 1 in art. Dhahoo.__ dhahaithul ibil (K,) inf. n. as above, (TA,) I drove the camel,; (K; ) as also dhahaithuha (TA.)
(4 mentioned by Freytag as on the authority of the K is a mistake for 5.)
5 (mentioned in this art. in the V and TA): see art. Dhahoo
7 (mentioned in this art. by MF): see art. Dhahoo.

Dhah’yath A single act of dhahy, i. e. spreading, (Msb.) = A she-ape, or she-monkey. (K.) dhihyath A mode, or manner, of dhahyu, i. e. spreading, &c. (Msb.) = A headman, or chief, (R, K, TA,) in an absolute sense, in the dial. of El-Yemen, (R, TA,) and particularly, of an army, or a military force. (K, TA.) AA says that it signifies "a lord," or "chief," in Pers.; but seems to be from dhahahu aor. yadh’hoohu, meaning "he spread it, and made it plain or even ;" because it is for the headman or chief to do this; the a. being changed into LS as it is in swibyath and fith’yath; and if so, it belongs to art. dahoo. (TA.) (Accord. to Golius, the pl. is dihau; but I think that it is more probably dhahan.) It is in a trad. that what is called Albaithul Ma’emoor (q.v. in art. Amr) is entered every day by seventy thousand companies of angels, every one of these having with it a dhih’yath and consisting seventy thousand angels. (TA.)
Ud’hiyyun and Id’hiyyun see art. dhaha.
Ud’hiyyath: see ud’hiyyu, in art. dahoo, in two places.

Note above that Lane also translates dahaha to mean the place in the sand where the ostrich lays its eggs, and not the eggs themselves.
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Old 30-07-2012, 07:33 PM   #6683
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Transliteration:
[079:030] Waal-arda baAAda thalika dahaha

Arabic (from right to left):

‏79:30 والارض بعد ذلك دحاها
[079:030] He made the earth egg-shaped

is this flat


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acctually, cradle is moving left,right, left, right...
A rocking cradle can move left to right because it's on pivots. It still doesn't change the fact that a cradle is FLAT.

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same as earth shift from left to right when it orbit the sun.
The earth doesn't shift left to right like a rocking cradle around the sun.




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[079:030] He made the earth egg-shaped.

how can it be flat if it is egg shaped?????


The spherical shape of the earth is alluded to in the ayah, “…He wraps the night over the day, and wraps the day over the night…” [al-Zumar, 5] The word wrap, “yakawwiru,” is understood to mean in a circular fashion, as the Arabs used it for wrapping a turban.



The reason you have to keep bullshitting on this thread is because the Quran describes the Earth as being flat. It's embarrassing the lengths you will go to to try and make it sound that the description means something it doesnt such as a ostriches egg or the circular way a turban is wrapped, both complete fabrications ofcourse but that's the best you've got.


Not once did Allah say the Earth was spherical.

That's because the men who wrote the Quran thought the world was flat.


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[079:030] Waal-arda baAAda thalika dahaha

Arabic (from right to left):

‏79:30 والارض بعد ذلك دحاها
[079:030] He made the earth egg-shaped

is this flat


copied from
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D8%AF...A7%D9%87%D8%A7

Ofcourse what your picture doesn't show is that on the link you have provided anybody can edit the page.

Infact when I checked your link this is what appears:


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Stick to Lanes Lexicon and stop trying to deceive people.

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Lane's Lexicon

also, said of an ostrich, (S, TA,) he expanded, and made wide, (TA,) with his foot, or leg, the place where he was about to deposit his eggs
The place of the laying of eggs, (S, K,) and of the hatching thereof, (S,) , of the ostrich, (S. K. ) in the sand; (K; ) because that bird expands it, and makes it wide, with its foot, or leg; for the ostrich has no (nest such as is termed) Ush (S: ) pl. Adahin (TA in the present art.) and Adahee (i. e., if not a mistranscription, Adahiyyu agreeably with the sing.): (TA in art. dhaha and mudhhiyya (likewise) signifies the place of the eggs of the ostrich.

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Note above that Lane also translates dahaha to mean the place in the sand where the ostrich lays its eggs, and not the eggs themselves.


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Ofcourse what your picture doesn't show is that on the link you have provided anybody can edit the page.

Infact when I checked your link this is what appears:


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Please see the discussion on Requests for cleanup(+) or the talk page for more information and remove this template after the problem has been dealt with.
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Stick to Lanes Lexicon and stop trying to deceive people.

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also, said of an ostrich, (S, TA,) he expanded, and made wide, (TA,) with his foot, or leg, the place where he was about to deposit his eggs
The place of the laying of eggs, (S, K,) and of the hatching thereof, (S,) , of the ostrich, (S. K. ) in the sand; (K; ) because that bird expands it, and makes it wide, with its foot, or leg; for the ostrich has no (nest such as is termed) Ush (S: ) pl. Adahin (TA in the present art.) and Adahee (i. e., if not a mistranscription, Adahiyyu agreeably with the sing.): (TA in art. dhaha and mudhhiyya (likewise) signifies the place of the eggs of the ostrich.

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Note above that Lane also translates dahaha to mean the place in the sand where the ostrich lays its eggs, and not the eggs themselves.


daha or dahaha means also spread out(extend)

do you accept that translation of the word?
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beautiful, this is what you non-beleievrs shall miss if you die as non-believers


God says in quran to you:

3:133 Hurry towards your Lord’s forgiveness and a Garden as wide as the heavens and earth prepared for the righteous,

134 The ones who spend in prosperity and adversity, and who repress anger, and who pardon the people; God loves the good doers
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O My servants who have transgressed against their own souls, despair not of the mercy of Allah. Indeed, Allah forgives all sins. Truly, He is Most Forgiving, Most Merciful. (Surah az-Zumar 39:53)
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beautiful, this is what you non-beleievrs shall miss if you die as non-believers

Description of Paradise in islam, very beautiful photos - YouTube

God says in quran to you:

3:133 Hurry towards your Lord’s forgiveness and a Garden as wide as the heavens and earth prepared for the righteous,

134 The ones who spend in prosperity and adversity, and who repress anger, and who pardon the people; God loves the good doers
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OK...is that all, ciko? Weak persuasion? I don't know about you, but that isn't very convincing. I shall remain an "non-believer" and continue on my merry way. I shall not look back. Tell Allah he can keep his paradise, it's not my kind of thing, you know?
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What is the minimum age for marriage in the Holy Quran?
http://www.answering-christianity.co...r_marriage.htm
Perhaps it would be a good idea to tell your Muslim brothers to stop abusing children then?



http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...rides-marriage

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Lates...t-for-marriage

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rs-senior.html

http://www.arabnews.com/node/400527

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OK...is that all, ciko? Weak persuasion? I don't know about you, but that isn't very convincing. I shall remain an "non-believer" and continue on my merry way. I shall not look back. Tell Allah he can keep his paradise, it's not my kind of thing, you know?


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I don't know about you, but that isn't very convincing.
that is nothing i posted to convince you but inform you

quran and science is my evidence for paradise

Quran: beacuse scientific info and nummerical miracles in quran are evidence that quran is word of God, and that paradise exists

Scientists talking about Paradise without knowing that:



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Tell Allah he can keep his paradise, it's not my kind of thing, you know?
dont worry, nobody shall force you into paradise

why would you like such thing, this is not for you , you want something hotter, maybe Hellfire and other tortures...

Paradise in Islam

Trees in paradise



Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:

In Paradise, there is a tree under the shadow of which a rider can travel for a hundred years.

{Book 040, Chapter 2, Number 6784: Sahih Muslim**



Eating in Paradise

Jabir reported:

I heard Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying that the inmates of Paradise would eat and drink but would neither spit, nor pass water, nor void excrement, nor suffer catarrah. It was said: Then, what would happen with food? Thereupon he said: They would belch and sweat (and it would be over with their food), and their sweat would be that of musk and they would glorify and praise Allah as easily as you breathe.

{Book 040, Number 6798, Chapter 7: Sahih Muslim**

Greatness of Paradise

Abu Sa'eed Al-Khudri narrated that the Messenger of Allah, sallallahu alayhe wasallam, said, "The people of Paradise will look at the dwellers of lofty mansions (i.e. a superior place in Paradise) in the same way as one looks at a brilliant star, far away in the East or in the West of the horizon. This is because of their superiority over one another (in reward)." One of the people asked, "O Allah's Messenger, are these lofty mansions for the Prophets which no one else can reach?" The Prophet, sallallahu alayhe wasallam, replied, "No! By Allah, in whose Hands is my life, these are for men who believe in Allah and also believe in the Messenger." (Bukhari and Muslim)

Market in paradise

Anas ibn Malik narrated that the Prophet, sallallahu alayhe wasallam, said, "Verily in Paradise there is a market in which (the inhabitants of Paradise) will come to every Friday. The North wind will blow and scatter fragrances on their faces and on their clothes. This will add to their beauty and their attractiveness. They will then go back to their families after having an added luster to their beauty and their attractiveness. Their families will say to them, 'By Allah you have been increased in beauty and loveliness after leaving us,' and they will say, 'By Allah you too have increased in beauty and attractiveness after us.'" (Muslim)

Golden palaces

Jabir ibn Abdullah narrated that the Messenger of Allah, sallallahu alayhe wasallam, said, "I entered Paradise, and behold, there was a palace built of gold. I asked, 'Whose is this palace?' They (the angels) replied, 'For a man from the Quraysh.' So I thought it might be I, so I asked, 'And who is he?' They said, 'Umar Ibnul Khattab.' Nothing stopped me form entering it except your Ghirah (sense of honor)." Umar said, "My Ghirah would never be offended by you, O Messenger of Allah." (Bukhari and Muslim)

Rivers in paradise

Anas ibn Malik said that Allah's Apostle sallallahu alayhe wasallam, said, "I entered Paradise and found myself by a river, by its edges were tents of pearls. Then I tapped with my hands where the water was running, and there was then a beautiful smell of Musk. I asked, 'What is this O Gabriel?' He said, 'This is Kawthar (river in Paradise) which Allah has given to you.'" (Sahih al-Jami)

Never become old and sick in paradise

Narrated Abu Huraira: The Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, said: “Whoever enters Paradise will enjoy bliss in which he will neither become destitute, nor will his clothes wear out, nor will his youth decline.”

[Sahih Muslim, Book 40, Number 6802]











The description of Paradise and the remembrance of Allah by the inmates morning and evening.

Hammam b. Munabbih reported: These are some of the ahidith which Abu Huraira reported from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and one is this that he is reported to have said: The (members of the) first group that would be admitted to Paradise would have their faces as bright as full moon during the night. They would neither spit nor suffer catarrh, nor void excrement. They would have their utensils and their combs made of gold and silver and the fuel of their braziers would be aloes and their sweat would be musk and every one of them would have two spouses (so beautiful) that the marrow of their shanks would be visible through the flesh. There would be no dissension amongst them and no enmity in their hearts. Their hearts would be like one heart, glorifying Allah morning and evening.

Sex in paradise

It was narrated from Zayd ibn Arqam that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “A man among the people of Paradise will be given the strength of a hundred men for eating, drinking, desire and sexual intercourse. A man among the Jews said, ‘The one who eats or drinks needs to excrete!’ The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to him: ‘The excretion of any one of them will be in the form of sweat which comes out through his skin, then his stomach will reduce in size again.’” (Narrated by Ahmad, no. 18509; al-Daarimi, no. 2704)

Some of what Allah (SWT) has prepared for His righteous servants

35) Narrated Abu Huraira the Prophet (pbuh) said: Allah (sw) said, "I had prepared for my righteous servants what no eye has seen nor ear has heard nor a human mind has realized. (nor it has occurred to human heart)
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or something like this



Prophet said:

Anas b. Malik reported:

The Paradise is surrounded by hardships and the Hell-Fire is surrounded by temptations.

{Book 040, Number 6778, Chapter 1: Sahih Muslim**


Clothing of the people of Paradise



This is a huge tree which produces the fabric for the clothing of the people of Paradise. Ahmad Ibn Jareer and Ibn Hibbaan report from Abu Sa'eed

al-Khudri that the Messenger of Allah (saw) said, "Tooba is a tree in Paradise, as big as a hundred year's journey; the clothes of the people of Paradise comes from its calyces [the outer parts of its flowers]" [Silsilat al-Hadith as-Saheehah, 4/639, no. 1985, the isnaad is hasan]

Soil in Paradise

al-Bukhaari and Muslim reported the hadith of al-Mi'raaj from Anas ibn Maalik from Abu Dharr in which Abu Dharr (ra) said, "The Messenger of Allah (saw) said, "I entered Paradise where I saw lights of pearl and its soil was musk". Muslim and Ahmad report from Abu Sa'eed that Ibn Sayyaad asked the Messenger (saw) about the soil of Paradise. He said, "It is a fine white powder of pure musk".

Construction of Paradise, from gold, silver and musk



Ahmad at-Tirmidhi and ad-Daarimi reported that the Prophet (saw) said, "I asked "O Messenger of Allah (saw), From what are people made?" He said,"From water." We asked, "From what is Paradise built?" He said, "Bricks of gold and silver and mortar of fragrant musk; its pebbles are pearls and rubies, and its soil is saffron. Whoever enters it is blessed with joy and will never be miserable; he will remain there forever and never die; his clothes will never wear out, and his youth will never fade away." [Mishkaat al-Masaabeeh, 3/89, no. 5630]

Houses from glas

"In Paradise there are dwellings whose inside can be seen from the outside, and the outside can be seen from inside. Allah [swt] has prepared them for those who feed the hungry, and speak softly and gently, fast continuously and pray at night whilst the people are asleep." [Saheeh al-Jaami' as-Sagheer, 2/220, no. 2119]

Fragrance of Paradise

Messenger (saw) said, "Whoever kills a man of Ahl ad-Dhimmah [non-Muslims living under Islaamic rule] will not smell the fragrance of Paradise, even though its fragrance can be discerned from a distance of forty years' travelling." [Saheeh al-Jaami as-Sagheer, 5/235, no. 6324 adn 5/337 no. 6333]



Golden trees



There is no tree in Paradise that does not have a trunk made of gold" [Ibn Hibbaan, at-Tirmidhi, al-Bayhaqee, from Abu Hurayrah, Saheeh al-Jaami' as-Sagheer 5/150 saheeh]

Birds of Paradise



at-Tirmidhi reports from Anas that the Messenger of Allah (saw) was asked, "What is al-Kawthar?" He said, "That is a river that Allah has given me... and in it are birds with necks like the necks of camels". 'Umar said, These birds will be in bliss". The Messenger of Allah (saw) said,"Those who eat them will be more blissful"". [Mishkaat al-Masaabeeh, 2/91]
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do you want to go here...

God says in quran about Hell

"With Us are fetters (to bind them) and fire (to burn them) and food that chokes and a grievous punishment.”[al-Muzzammil, 73: 12-13]



or do you want to go here...

God says about women in paradise:

56:22 They will wed beautiful-eyed women…
23 Like pearls well-preserved,




choice is yours...
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if i would post to you an animal you would think it is from Star wars or sci-fi movies

this animal


YOU WOULD THINK THAT ONLY SUCH CREATURES LIVE IN FANTASY WORLD OF SCI FI MOVIES

and if i would say what about that this is not Star wars or sci-fi movie, but it is a real animal, called Glaucus Atlanticus

but look here it is in REALITY








Sometime YOU HAVE TO OPEN YOU VIEWS TO SEE BIG PICTURE. SAME IT IS WITH PARADISE. if you dont have seen it it does not mean that it does not exists. think about it.
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Peaceful march which took place on Sunday 29 January 2012 to celebrate the Birth of the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH). The march started at Oak Street Mosque, following onto Whalley Range, up onto Earl Street, Across London Road, down Shearbrow and then across Altom Street conluding at Randal Streets' Masjid-e-Raza where Zohar prayer was performed followed by a complementary meal for all the attendees of the Processions...


Not much of a paradise is it ...



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We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. - Plato

I think he did a mistake there, because the two sentences are irrelevant unless he says men are afraid of the dark.!!




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I: Physiology and Anatomy

1. The Elements De Elementis (Elem.)
2. Of temperaments (On Mixtures) De Temperamentis (Temp.)
3. Two commentaries of Galen on the books of Hippocrates, entitled, “Of the Nature of Man.” Galeni, in Librum Hippocratis, de Natura Humana (HNH)
4. Of the atrabilis, or black bile. De Atra Bile, Libellus (Atr. Bil.) (At. Bil.)
7. Of the bones (On Bones for Beginners) De Ossibus (Oss.)
11. Is blood naturally contained in the arteries? An in Arteriis (Natura) Sanguis Contineatur (An sanguis in arteriis natura contineatur) (Art. Sang.)
12. On Anatomical Procedures (Investigations) De Anatomicis Administrationibus (AA)
13. Of the dissection of the uterus (On the Anatomy of the Uterus) De Uteri Dissectione (Ut. Diss.)
15. Of the uses of the different parts of the human body (On the Usefulness/Utility of the Parts of the Body) De Usu Partium Corporis Humani (UP)
16. Of the utility of respiration De Usu (Utilitate) Respirationis
17. Of the causes of respiration De Causis Respirationis
18. Of the use of the pulse De Usu Pulsuum (Pulsuum Usu)
19. On the subsistence of the Natural Faculties De Substantia Faculatatum Naturalium
20. Of the dogmas, or opinions of (On the Doctrines of) Hippocrates and Plato De Hippocratis et Platonis Decretis (Dogmatibus) (PHP) V
21. Of the natural faculties De Facultatibus Naturalibus (De Naturalibus Facultatibus) (Nat. Fac.) II
23. Of the motion (movement) of the thorax (chest) and lungs De Motu Thoracis et Pulmonis
24. That the qualities of the mind depend on the temperament of the body Quod Animi Mores Corporis Temperatura Sequantur
25. Of the foetal formation De Foetuum Formatione (Foet. Form.)

Do I have to repeat what I have posted above his work and the forgeries!!!

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Total and utter nonsense. I can even use the Quran to prove you are completely wrong.


Quran

(And nothing is hidden from your Lord (so much as) the weight of an atom on the earth or in the heaven. Nor (is there) what is less than that or what is greater than that but is (written) in a Clear Record.) (10:61)


History of atoms

References to the concept of atoms date back to ancient Greece and India. In India, the Ājīvika, Jain, and Cārvāka schools of atomism may date back to the 6th century BCE.[8] The Nyaya and Vaisheshika schools later developed theories on how atoms combined into more complex objects.[9] In the West, the references to atoms emerged in the 5th century BCE with Leucippus, whose student, Democritus, systematized his views. In approximately 450 BCE, Democritus coined the term átomos (Greek: ἄτομος), which means "uncuttable" or "the smallest indivisible particle of matter". Although the Indian and Greek concepts of the atom were based purely on philosophy, modern science has retained the name coined by Democritus

Atom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
How does this prove any thing??

By the way, the translation is wrong, the word in Arabic is "Therah", they translated it to atom, I don't know why but it doesn't meant that. It means the smallest ant there is.

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Library of Alexandria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The Royal Library of Alexandria, or Ancient Library of Alexandria, in Alexandria, Egypt, was the largest and most significant library of the ancient world.[1] It flourished under the patronage of the Ptolemaic dynasty and functioned as a major center of scholarship from its construction in the 3rd century BC until the Roman conquest of Egypt in 30 BC. The library was conceived and opened either during the reign of Ptolemy I Soter (323–283 BC) or during the reign of his son Ptolemy II (283–246 BC).[2]
Thanks for this info.






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Controversy

Moore's work on the Qur'an has aroused controversy among embryologists such as PZ Myers.[14] In 2002, Moore declined to be interviewed by the Wall Street Journal on the subject of his work on Islam, stating that "it's been ten or eleven years since I was involved in the Qur'an."."[15]
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Mate, you can find his words in his anatomy book, it is available on the net.
this is the book:

I did it use few times around 2003 as a reference.


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This thread is always on fire.


if u miss one day then u have missed a lot, I don't know why but I guess because the non muslims are so eager to debunk Islam but they fail every time.


But it is nice to see the worries of the other side of the world.
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This thread is always on fire.


if u miss one day then u have missed a lot, I don't know why but I guess because the non muslims are so eager to debunk Islam but they fail every time.


But it is nice to see the worries of the other side of the world.
Its been debunked over and over you just cannot accept reality...

Just keep sticking your head in the sand dude...

Just goes to shoe the power of brainwashing...
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I think he did a mistake there, because the two sentences are irrelevant unless he says men are afraid of the dark.!!
Irony isn't one of your strong points it seems.


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Do I have to repeat what I have posted above his work and the forgeries!!!
Islamic history disagrees.

Influence on Islamic medicine

The first major translator of Galen into Arabic was the Syrian Christian Hunayn ibn Ishaq. Hunayn translated (c. 830–870) 129 works of "Jalinos" into Arabic. One of the Arabic translations, ‘Kitab ila Aglooqan fi Shifa al Amraz’, which is extant in the Library of Ibn Sina Academy of Medieval Medicine & Sciences, is regarded as a masterpiece of Galen's literary works. A part of the Alexandrian compendium of Galen’s work, this 10th century manuscript comprises two parts that include details regarding various types of fevers (Humyat) and different inflammatory conditions of the body. More importantly, it includes details of more than 150 single and compound formulations of both herbal and animal origin. The book provides an insight into understanding the traditions and methods of treatment in the Greek (Unani) and Roman eras. In addition, this book provides a direct source for the study of more than 150 single and compound drugs used during the Greco-Roman period.

Galen's insistence on a rational systematic approach to medicine set the template for Islamic medicine, which rapidly spread throughout the Arab Empire. Arabic sources, such as Rhazes (Muhammad ibn Zakarīya Rāzi 865–925 AD), continue to be the source of discovery of new or relatively inaccessible Galenic writings. As the title, Doubts on Galen by Rhazes implies, as well as the writings of physicians such as Ibn Zuhr (Avenzoar) and Ibn al-Nafis, the works of Galen were not accepted unquestioningly, but as a challengeable basis for further inquiry.

A strong emphasis on experimentation and empiricism led to new results and new observations, which were contrasted and combined with those of Galen by writers such as Rhazes, Ali ibn Abbas al-Majusi (Haly Abbas), Abu al-Qasim al-Zahrawi (Abulasis), Ibn Sina (Avicenna), Ibn Zuhr and Ibn al-Nafis. For example, the experiments carried out by Rāzi and Ibn Zuhr contradicted the Galenic theory of humorism, while Ibn al-Nafis' discovery of the pulmonary circulation contradicted the Galenic theory on the heart.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galen#I...lamic_medicine




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How does this prove any thing??

By the way, the translation is wrong, the word in Arabic is "Therah", they translated it to atom, I don't know why but it doesn't meant that. It means the smallest ant there is.
It proves the Greeks had knowledge of atoms centuries before the Quran was written, proving that the Arabs did have Greek knowledge which you earlier claimed they didn't.




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Mate, you can find his words in his anatomy book, it is available on the net.
this is the book:
He was a Saudi Royal family puppet who's has been called out by the embryology community regarding what he said about the Quran and he's declined to answer.

Here's what a real embryologist has to say about the Quran:

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Its been debunked over and over you just cannot accept reality...

Just keep sticking your head in the sand dude...

Just goes to shoe the power of brainwashing...
You might not believe this, but you know, you could be right, and I think that you think that you are right, but I don't think that you are right.
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Irony isn't one of your strong points it seems.
I guess it is not.



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Influence on Islamic medicine

The first major translator of Galen into Arabic was the Syrian Christian Hunayn ibn Ishaq. Hunayn translated (c. 830–870) 129 works of "Jalinos" into Arabic. One of the Arabic translations, ‘Kitab ila Aglooqan fi Shifa al Amraz’, which is extant in the Library of Ibn Sina Academy of Medieval Medicine & Sciences, is regarded as a masterpiece of Galen's literary works. A part of the Alexandrian compendium of Galen’s work, this 10th century manuscript comprises two parts that include details regarding various types of fevers (Humyat) and different inflammatory conditions of the body. More importantly, it includes details of more than 150 single and compound formulations of both herbal and animal origin. The book provides an insight into understanding the traditions and methods of treatment in the Greek (Unani) and Roman eras. In addition, this book provides a direct source for the study of more than 150 single and compound drugs used during the Greco-Roman period.

Galen's insistence on a rational systematic approach to medicine set the template for Islamic medicine, which rapidly spread throughout the Arab Empire. Arabic sources, such as Rhazes (Muhammad ibn Zakarīya Rāzi 865–925 AD), continue to be the source of discovery of new or relatively inaccessible Galenic writings. As the title, Doubts on Galen by Rhazes implies, as well as the writings of physicians such as Ibn Zuhr (Avenzoar) and Ibn al-Nafis, the works of Galen were not accepted unquestioningly, but as a challengeable basis for further inquiry.

A strong emphasis on experimentation and empiricism led to new results and new observations, which were contrasted and combined with those of Galen by writers such as Rhazes, Ali ibn Abbas al-Majusi (Haly Abbas), Abu al-Qasim al-Zahrawi (Abulasis), Ibn Sina (Avicenna), Ibn Zuhr and Ibn al-Nafis. For example, the experiments carried out by Rāzi and Ibn Zuhr contradicted the Galenic theory of humorism, while Ibn al-Nafis' discovery of the pulmonary circulation contradicted the Galenic theory on the heart.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galen#I...lamic_medicine

It proves the Greeks had knowledge of atoms centuries before the Quran was written, proving that the Arabs did have Greek knowledge which you earlier claimed they didn't.

Mate, What you have posted regarding the translation of Galen's books, was done more than 50 years after the death of the prophet, so what is your point.

And regarding your comment on the atom, Did you mean that they knew what an atom is and that it consists of electron, proton and neutron?




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Here's what a real embryologist has to say about the Quran:

YouTube - World famous embryologist PZ Myers proves the Quran is man made
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What ever you say mate, Moore's comment still stands against all claims.


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