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Old 23-06-2015, 12:32 PM   #1
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Thumbs down 4 I hate business ! I hate money capitalism !

I hate business !
I hate money !
I hate capitalism / capitalist !

The main reason is because business kills creativity & ideas . money kills creativity & ideas . capitalism / capitalist kills creativity & ideas !
There are a LOT of good ideas , creativity , imaginations , inspirations , dreams , & even good deeds that business / money kills ! simply because of a petty, shallow reason “it doesn’t make a lot of money or profits ! ”

money makes the world unfair ! business makes the world unfair ! capitalism makes the world unfair !

plus , the world becomes a boring place !
everything is all about MONEY , business , and profits only ! even though actually Life is SO MUCH MORE than that ! ie: imagination , dreams , creativity , Love , education , inspiration , helping each other , Heart & SOUL , genuine things , sharing , laughter , collaboration together , science , philosophy , and mankind / humanity / civilization make a great jump / leap forward in progress to a totally NEW era / civilization / Mankind / Humanity ! instead of only repeating the same , stupid, shallow, superficial, ignorant , narrow minded , dull , boring , petty , miniscule , & meaningless things like politics, wars about who has the most MONEY , fighting over religion , race differences, etc etc !

I used to have hope for Humanity , hope for Mankind , hope for humans , hope for people , hope for human race , hope for Mankind ‘s civilization … but now unfortunately / sadly I lose hope in humanity , lose hope for mankind , lose hope for humans , lost hope for people , lost hope for human race, losing hope for Mankind ‘s civilization ,.. Humanity is hopeless , Mankind is hopeless , human race is hopeless , human beings is / are hopeless , mankind ‘s civilization is hopeless .. !
I hate people / humans / humanity / society sometimes !

anyone also feel the same ? anyone can relate ?

(PS: have you guys also heard of some alternative movements / solutions like for example : Resource Based Economy (RBE), The Venus Project , the Zeitgeist Movement , Thrive movement , Paradigm Shift , Basic Income movement , Equal Income movement ? what do you think ? will it work out as an alternative / solution for our current society ‘s problems ? )
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Old 23-06-2015, 12:51 PM   #2
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I do understand, but i would think my thoughts on it and your thoughts on it are different, as everyone has there own unique ideas and way to see the world.

They controlled humans with there greeds last century, and i always said they would make sure they target greed this century. They know people can live on less, and for more people to have something.

For me, the current education is only making people for a system that is based on feeding that greed. People are not taught as they should, ie to find there individual talents, just what pigeon hole for them to slide into so they can function for society.
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Old 23-06-2015, 01:31 PM   #3
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Yeah,I know what you're talking about...humanity should be working for the benefit of all society and not for our personal profits only...we live in a reptilian monetary system,and I don't think it was initially our destiny to live like this.
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Old 23-06-2015, 02:47 PM   #4
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What about the WeRe bank?
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Old 23-06-2015, 03:55 PM   #5
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But people are greedy and thus capitalism fulfils that need to amass wealth.

Without capitalism it would be flipping boring because no one would do anything. Nobody is going to work for free or very few will.

This is not capitalism though in the west, its some kind of crony capitilism/champagne socialism thing. If the market decided we wouldn't have war, we wouldn't have financial fraudsters, we wouldn't have pollution etc.
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Old 23-06-2015, 04:12 PM   #6
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anyone also feel the same ? anyone can relate ?
You are absolutely right.
Too many people still think that everything either
has to cost money,or has to make money.
Too many people are unable to remove money and currency
completely out of the equation.
There is a poster right above,who thinks we are all lazy fucks,
and need to be motivated by this money/currency thing,
or the world will be going to the dogs.
Oh wait,it's already going to the dogs thanks to capitalism...

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Old 23-06-2015, 04:46 PM   #7
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I hate business !
I hate money !
I hate capitalism / capitalist !

The main reason is because business kills creativity & ideas . money kills creativity & ideas . capitalism / capitalist kills creativity & ideas !
There are a LOT of good ideas , creativity , imaginations , inspirations , dreams , & even good deeds that business / money kills ! simply because of a petty, shallow reason “it doesn’t make a lot of money or profits ! ”

money makes the world unfair ! business makes the world unfair ! capitalism makes the world unfair !

plus , the world becomes a boring place !
everything is all about MONEY , business , and profits only ! even though actually Life is SO MUCH MORE than that ! ie: imagination , dreams , creativity , Love , education , inspiration , helping each other , Heart & SOUL , genuine things , sharing , laughter , collaboration together , science , philosophy , and mankind / humanity / civilization make a great jump / leap forward in progress to a totally NEW era / civilization / Mankind / Humanity ! instead of only repeating the same , stupid, shallow, superficial, ignorant , narrow minded , dull , boring , petty , miniscule , & meaningless things like politics, wars about who has the most MONEY , fighting over religion , race differences, etc etc !

I used to have hope for Humanity , hope for Mankind , hope for humans , hope for people , hope for human race , hope for Mankind ‘s civilization … but now unfortunately / sadly I lose hope in humanity , lose hope for mankind , lose hope for humans , lost hope for people , lost hope for human race, losing hope for Mankind ‘s civilization ,.. Humanity is hopeless , Mankind is hopeless , human race is hopeless , human beings is / are hopeless , mankind ‘s civilization is hopeless .. !
I hate people / humans / humanity / society sometimes !

anyone also feel the same ? anyone can relate ?

(PS: have you guys also heard of some alternative movements / solutions like for example : Resource Based Economy (RBE), The Venus Project , the Zeitgeist Movement , Thrive movement , Paradigm Shift , Basic Income movement , Equal Income movement ? what do you think ? will it work out as an alternative / solution for our current society ‘s problems ? )

The truth is, money is needed for anyone in any creative endeavour, otherwise you and your loved ones don't eat, have a place to sleep, and nothing to fund your creative projects - from travel, to hiring places, people etc.

When money becomes the main motor, yes that's when everything gets messed up but I see no other alternatives. Creative people are known for not being money driven, which gets exploited by other people who are. The creatives need to become more knowledgeable in business matters, and value what they're doing, without this knowledge coming at the expense of their creativity. It can be done and it's being done as we speak.

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Old 23-06-2015, 05:05 PM   #8
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Best to be realistic and not to be too idealistic where this issue is concerned, because most other people don't share those ideals. See things as they are, not as they'd like it to be, and adapt accordingly.

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Old 23-06-2015, 09:41 PM   #9
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will it work out as an alternative / solution for our current society ‘s problems ?
I am not sure about some of these alternatives but
I would gather if you really want an alternative in this lifetime you shouldn't worry about our current society because they are not changing direction quickly. Perhaps in a few hundred years they will be more alternative but for the time being the mainstream are the mainstream and if your not one of them then it might be worth looking into alternatives. The difference between practical living reality and philosophising is a big one. There is plenty of people talking about change but not so many prepared to act. Imo the best alternative without dependence on money is to go for permaculture type home with garden plot. Like eco settlement but even this requires quite a large changes. In the normal world you could probably improve situations a lot with gardening and find people in touch with nature. As for money I would suggest making sure you have a good bit of it in your pocket. Atleast then you have more possibilities to develop an alternative way of life. This is what I am doing making a bit more money but soon I will have to have time off and try find some nice people nice places. Maybe one day I find a place to live and in eco settlement and I already have the money to invest. Mind you i could be completely wrong in my approach but atleast if I sort out the actual locality which for me is a problem I have the funds to move forward and probably make good money from it too. Money is great to have in your pocket. Just think how much better it is that you have it. Other people would probably waste it but coz you have that money it is being put to good use. I suppose it is possible that things can be done other ways or funds can come from other sources but in the end it is still the ability to get things done. I am quite pleased coz i have managed to move into a more decent income bracket recently it could be from rags to riches and hopefully I will be rich in more than just money. Anyway I can relate but better to use it than get used by it.

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Old 24-06-2015, 06:49 AM   #10
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But people are greedy and thus capitalism fulfils that need to amass wealth.

Without capitalism it would be flipping boring because no one would do anything. Nobody is going to work for free or very few will.

This is not capitalism though in the west, its some kind of crony capitilism/champagne socialism thing. If the market decided we wouldn't have war, we wouldn't have financial fraudsters, we wouldn't have pollution etc.
No one should have to work for anyone or anything. We have been tricked into thinking we have to grow up, get jobs, and work the rest of our lives in order to be successful and happy, when in reality just the opposite is the truth.

Without capitalism you would NOT be bored. You'd get up everyday on your own time to check your garden and animals. Your "job" would be managing your homestead and your only boss would be yourself (or maybe your wife LOL).

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Old 24-06-2015, 10:11 AM   #11
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its silly to suggest people would do nothing if there was no such thing as money, that just shows how conditioned we all have become to accepting money and being motivated by money as "normal" for many generations. Money is our major downfall, limiting us and at the same time making control by the few so much easier.

That being said, I dont see an alternative happening anytime soon
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Old 24-06-2015, 07:50 PM   #12
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I'm no raving capitalist but nor do I have the idealistic wish that money didn't exist. It's like saying I wish the weather wouldn't change. I've been hearing this for the past decade at least, so it's safe to say there's no alternative system due to be brought into being.

There's this romantic idea that it was idyllic on earth prior to the invention of money. People still fought wars, and the mentality that created the monetary system must have been in existence prior to it actually being created.

The challenge is there to bring out your best, we can't just wish things away.
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Old 24-06-2015, 09:12 PM   #13
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I hate business !
I hate money !
I hate capitalism / capitalist !

The main reason is because business kills creativity & ideas . money kills creativity & ideas . capitalism / capitalist kills creativity & ideas !
There are a LOT of good ideas , creativity , imaginations , inspirations , dreams , & even good deeds that business / money kills ! simply because of a petty, shallow reason “it doesn’t make a lot of money or profits ! ”

money makes the world unfair ! business makes the world unfair ! capitalism makes the world unfair !

plus , the world becomes a boring place !
everything is all about MONEY , business , and profits only ! even though actually Life is SO MUCH MORE than that ! ie: imagination , dreams , creativity , Love , education , inspiration , helping each other , Heart & SOUL , genuine things , sharing , laughter , collaboration together , science , philosophy , and mankind / humanity / civilization make a great jump / leap forward in progress to a totally NEW era / civilization / Mankind / Humanity ! instead of only repeating the same , stupid, shallow, superficial, ignorant , narrow minded , dull , boring , petty , miniscule , & meaningless things like politics, wars about who has the most MONEY , fighting over religion , race differences, etc etc !

I used to have hope for Humanity , hope for Mankind , hope for humans , hope for people , hope for human race , hope for Mankind ‘s civilization … but now unfortunately / sadly I lose hope in humanity , lose hope for mankind , lose hope for humans , lost hope for people , lost hope for human race, losing hope for Mankind ‘s civilization ,.. Humanity is hopeless , Mankind is hopeless , human race is hopeless , human beings is / are hopeless , mankind ‘s civilization is hopeless .. !
I hate people / humans / humanity / society sometimes !

anyone also feel the same ? anyone can relate ?

(PS: have you guys also heard of some alternative movements / solutions like for example : Resource Based Economy (RBE), The Venus Project , the Zeitgeist Movement , Thrive movement , Paradigm Shift , Basic Income movement , Equal Income movement ? what do you think ? will it work out as an alternative / solution for our current society ‘s problems ? )
I agree 100%

Creative thing within the mainstream is dying fast. creativity is the most dangerous thing for the elite because they want obedient workers and not creative people who want to change the paradigm.
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Old 24-06-2015, 10:08 PM   #14
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I'm no raving capitalist but nor do I have the idealistic wish that money didn't exist. It's like saying I wish the weather wouldn't change.
money is nothing like weather at all, one is natural, the other is an artificial construct, one is not like the other. We are just so used to money it seems natural, like the weather.....

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I've been hearing this for the past decade at least, so it's safe to say there's no alternative system due to be brought into being.
i doubt that too, in fact I haven't really heard of any genuine proposed alternatives, except that resource economy technology venus project stuff

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There's this romantic idea that it was idyllic on earth prior to the invention of money. People still fought wars, and the mentality that created the monetary system must have been in existence prior to it actually being created.
not sure anyone is saying that things were idyllic before money, in fact I'm not sure we have any history to study pre money do we? I think money may have been around as long as civilisation has, so the pre-money period is probably essentially pre-history, but even though I doubt it was idyllic, money definitely makes things much easier for the few to control the many.

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Old 25-06-2015, 08:15 AM   #15
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But people are greedy and thus capitalism fulfils that need to amass wealth.

Without capitalism it would be flipping boring because no one would do anything. Nobody is going to work for free or very few will.

This is not capitalism though in the west, its some kind of crony capitilism/champagne socialism thing. If the market decided we wouldn't have war, we wouldn't have financial fraudsters, we wouldn't have pollution etc.
Not true at all.
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I posted this on facebook awhile back.

Political and economic systems never truly implemented

And neither political or economic system has ever been implemented anyway, not once. I've actually sat there and read the communist manifesto, read the equivalent which is Milton Friedman's capitalism and freedom, and you know what, at the end of each of them I came away with the thought of they all sound plausible and doable if implemented.

But then I thought; wait there... neither of these systems on paper ever mention a ruling elite using wars for resource grabs, they don't mention anything about political assassinations, governments drug running, education which is nothing short of indoctrination and all the rest of the corrupt shit that goes on.

So it's not the systems that's the problem because they are never truly implemented anyway. The problem is there are ruling classes that are hell-bent on making sure that these systems never get implemented in the first place, and then they have the cheek to actually get people bickering with each other over which system is the better one.. it's just another form of division. The common denominator with nigh on every country on this planet no matter what system they live under is the top of the hierarchical structure are simply taking the piss, doesn't matter what we call the system, and we can all argue about the semantics all day long, but the fact remains as long as we have a ruling elite class of people who simply do not have any values, morals, empathy for their fellow man and most of all are not regulated and answer to no one, then we'll carry on getting the same results which we have always got throughout history.

It really is that simple, the terminology they use when pitting these kind of things off against each other is simply an illusion, it's used to stifle debate and stop people seeing the big picture.
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money is nothing like weather at all, one is natural, the other is an artificial construct, one is not like the other. We are just so used to money it seems natural, like the weather.....

i doubt that too, in fact I haven't really heard of any genuine proposed alternatives, except that resource economy technology venus project stuff

not sure anyone is saying that things were idyllic before money, in fact I'm not sure we have any history to study pre money do we? I think money may have been around as long as civilisation has, so the pre-money period is probably essentially pre-history, but even though I doubt it was idyllic, money definitely makes things much easier for the few to control the many.
I used the weather as an analogy, i.e. to say that many times a person has to accept a situation and make an effort to rise above whatever limits are imposed. The ultra capitalists are not going to change; the best they'll do is throw a few crumbs for PR. It's not impossible to create a new system but you have to start small with an immediate circle of people you trust and build from there, not mass movements.

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I used the weather as an analogy, i.e. to say that many times a person has to accept a situation and make an effort to rise above whatever limits are imposed. The ultra capitalists are not going to change; the best they'll do is throw a few crumbs for PR. It's not impossible to create a new system but you have to start small with an immediate circle of people you trust and build from there, not mass movements.
yes I agree that the chances of the economic system changing to a new system based on resources or value is slim to none - barring a complete "reset" due to some cataclysmic event, but even then, the current system is so ingrained that survivors will probably rush to re-establish the system we have today as a major priority, to get things "back to normal".
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money is nothing like weather at all, one is natural, the other is an artificial construct, one is not like the other. We are just so used to money it seems natural, like the weather.....

i doubt that too, in fact I haven't really heard of any genuine proposed alternatives, except that resource economy technology venus project stuff

not sure anyone is saying that things were idyllic before money, in fact I'm not sure we have any history to study pre money do we? I think money may have been around as long as civilisation has, so the pre-money period is probably essentially pre-history, but even though I doubt it was idyllic, money definitely makes things much easier for the few to control the many.
There is historical and even present day examples of money free living. The venus project or resource based economy is not so much an alternative as the actual planned system with the implementation of computing to control systems for example this is already happening in aviation and with cars. Genuine alternative is only nature. Proven, tested and infact inredibly obvious.
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There is historical and even present day examples of money free living. The venus project or resource based economy is not so much an alternative as the actual planned system with the implementation of computing to control systems for example this is already happening in aviation and with cars. Genuine alternative is only nature. Proven, tested and infact inredibly obvious.
not aware of any large scale examples of money free societies, there are of course examples of hunter/gatherer tribes living without money, but do you have any examples of societies, civilisations living money free? Also what do you mean about aviation and cars, not following you on that?
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