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Old 13-08-2011, 10:03 AM   #21
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Getting into a good exercise routine helped me cut out thecrap like crisps, cheese & alcohol, I now go to gymnastics classes once or twice a week and its brilliant though quite tough and very exhausting... Ive incresed my strength and agility and have met lots of really cool people from all over the place.

The trampoline supposedly is a really good way for your body to lose weight & gain muscle as it shakes up all your cells, makes them unify and work harder.
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Old 13-08-2011, 10:10 AM   #22
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Hello, everybody. I need some nutrition advice for my boyfriend.

He is in his middle twenties, he works out a lot, but he eats a lot as well (especially meat, but he doesn't drink or smoke). He is very muscular, but strangely, at the same time he has what you call a "beer belly". I don't think he is fat, but he thinks that he is overweight, and sometimes resorts to unhealthy diets (which is distressing to watch).

I have seen somewhere on this forum that this belly is caused by a swollen bowel. I tried to google this, but I couldn't find anything useful on this topic. I would be very grateful if somebody could explain why the bowel gets swollen and how to make it healthy again. Because it bothers him so much, I would like him to find a healthy solution and not starve himself occasionally.
whats his bodyfat percentage
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beer belly is caused either by abuse of some hormones where internal organs grow.

or its simply very bloated stomach bc his stomach is huge from eating loads all the time.

third option is it could be submuscular fat, thats right, fat under the muscle, not under the skin, which is called metabolic syndrom.

if its the 1st, irreversible, live with it.

if its the second, eat less and itll slowly go away.

if its the 3 rd hes on his way to diabetes city and later on all kinds of cancer.

it could also be his body dont like milk products, lactose intolerance.this bloats stomachs up alot.

so yeah, whats his bodyfat percentage.?are his abs visible?has he got a sixpack or is it all flabby?
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He needs to jog and do cardio. Weights don't knock of the pounds or the belly. If you fill your belly too much with food it will grow and get bigger. Thus it appears like a beer belly without the beer.
man, weight training is the absolute best way to cut down bodyfat.

bar none.

the fastest, most lasting benefits method.

theres isnt even a dispute.

notice im talking bodyfat, not just loosing weight.

heres my "beer belly":

http://forum.davidicke.com/album.php...ictureid=10818

if you knew how much fatzo i was just 3months ago, you wouldnt belive it.

this is pic from yesterday.

i did no cardio whatsoever in that time.other then some long walks.
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Old 13-08-2011, 10:20 AM   #24
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Weight training actually burns more calories than cardio.[/QUOTE]

yes, minute for minute it does.

and it has afterburn effect lasting for days.

and it adds muscle, who then later burn the fat.


cardio is the most overrated and ineffective way to get rid of bodyfat.

ppl have not much of an idea, its so sad.
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Old 13-08-2011, 01:12 PM   #25
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man, weight training is the absolute best way to cut down bodyfat.

bar none.

the fastest, most lasting benefits method.

theres isnt even a dispute.

notice im talking bodyfat, not just loosing weight.

heres my "beer belly":

http://forum.davidicke.com/album.php...ictureid=10818

if you knew how much fatzo i was just 3months ago, you wouldnt belive it.

this is pic from yesterday.

i did no cardio whatsoever in that time.other then some long walks.

Just speaking from my own experience. If I just do weights everything gets bigger but my gut doesn't shrink much. It just seems smaller because everything else is bigger. Plus people that are into weight training are usually the ones who pack their belly full of food for gains.

I went back to the gym this week. But been including cardio and jogging as well. One year plan to get in shape. No booze, good diet, vitamins and herbal meds. Weights 5 days a week. Cardio at least 2 days a week.

I'll be trying different things as time goes on. Drop sets and diet changes as time goes on. Right now I can barely move with all the latic acid build up. Hope I can recover by monday night. I really don't want to miss anydays or get in the habit of missing time.

I guess my point for the OP is to get your hubby to try different things. Weights and cardio. Eat smaller meals but eat more of them. 6 times instead of three. Protein shakes can be good. Low carbs and calories and high protein.Each person is different and he has to feel what works right for him. Avoid diets and weight loss pills.

BTW nice bod Hada. If I was gay I'd eat you. But I am not so a pat on the back is all you get.
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Just speaking from my own experience. If I just do weights everything gets bigger but my gut doesn't shrink much. It just seems smaller because everything else is bigger. Plus people that are into weight training are usually the ones who pack their belly full of food for gains.

I went back to the gym this week. But been including cardio and jogging as well. One year plan to get in shape. No booze, good diet, vitamins and herbal meds. Weights 5 days a week. Cardio at least 2 days a week.

I'll be trying different things as time goes on. Drop sets and diet changes as time goes on. Right now I can barely move with all the latic acid build up. Hope I can recover by monday night. I really don't want to miss anydays or get in the habit of missing time.

I guess my point for the OP is to get your hubby to try different things. Weights and cardio. Eat smaller meals but eat more of them. 6 times instead of three. Protein shakes can be good. Low carbs and calories and high protein.Each person is different and he has to feel what works right for him. Avoid diets and weight loss pills.

BTW nice bod Hada. If I was gay I'd eat you. But I am not so a pat on the back is all you get.
oh, combo of weights and cardio is excellent, sorry i forgot to add that.

and ofc, just because someone works out with weights doesnt mean he can go to mcdonald twice a day and still lose weight.thats not gonna work.

diet must be strict or losing fat will not happen.weight training and its effects just help to accelerate metabolism.

and yes, 6 small meals is very important.it dont matter if one eats all his food at once or in six meals, but in six small meals, you wont suffer to much hunger and thriving for sugars.bc blood sugar will be constant.

and yes, cutting the carbs low is very very important, even more important than cutting down the fat.

and yes, you know the home work, loads of protein.thx for compliment, now all is clarified.
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Old 13-08-2011, 01:53 PM   #27
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I've got a jelly belly. Spare tyre of subcutaneous fat caused by eating shit and inactivity. If I tense my abs and press the fat in with my hands and fingers I can feel I have a nice flat stomach underneath all that blamange

I think beer bellies are much different, it's like the stomach is being pushed out by something, those guys look pregnant!
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oh, combo of weights and cardio is excellent, sorry i forgot to add that.

and ofc, just because someone works out with weights doesnt mean he can go to mcdonald twice a day and still lose weight.thats not gonna work.

diet must be strict or losing fat will not happen.weight training and its effects just help to accelerate metabolism.

and yes, 6 small meals is very important.it dont matter if one eats all his food at once or in six meals, but in six small meals, you wont suffer to much hunger and thriving for sugars.bc blood sugar will be constant.

and yes, cutting the carbs low is very very important, even more important than cutting down the fat.

and yes, you know the home work, loads of protein.thx for compliment, now all is clarified.

i signed up for a months bootcamp training at the beach here. it was high intensity cardio and resistance stuff, 3 times a week for 45 minutes. that and the diet achieved great results. but afterwards i got stuck into alcohol, went round my mates with his cinema room and had wedges pizzas and stuff and then all my effort was gone lol.
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I've got a jelly belly. Spare tyre of subcutaneous fat caused by eating shit and inactivity. If I tense my abs and press the fat in with my hands and fingers I can feel I have a nice flat stomach underneath all that blamange

I think beer bellies are much different, it's like the stomach is being pushed out by something, those guys look pregnant!
oh yes, everybody has a 6pack.women,men,everyone.

the only problem is it will only become visible at very low bodyfat levels(women 15-17percent, men 12-single digits).
without a single crunch done, everyone has 6pack.

you observed right, you only have subcutane fat, under the skin, above the muscle.thats no big deal.thats the fat the body will burn last in male bodys.

the beer bellies are victims of metabolic symptom.very very bad.that fat behind the stomach.not between stomach and skin, but behind muscle structure.very bad, very deadly eventually.
thats the fat the body will burn first, under skin deposits are used last.

the stomach is being pushed out by fat.

oh and it hasnt really anything to do with drinking beer.the cause is rampant, no holds barred overeating.

chew slowly, that will avoid the brain sending the"not hungry anymore" signal too late.

i have seen pigs on a farm when eating and i have seen fat people in buffets eating behaviour.i swear the swine are more civilized.i swear.
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i signed up for a months bootcamp training at the beach here. it was high intensity cardio and resistance stuff, 3 times a week for 45 minutes. that and the diet achieved great results. but afterwards i got stuck into alcohol, went round my mates with his cinema room and had wedges pizzas and stuff and then all my effort was gone lol.
oh, bootcamp cardio is very very intense.actually usefull,i must say.

now if youdve concentrated on just muscle gains without cardio, the damage of your pizza escapades wouldve been much less.

dont worry, i have these escapades too in my life, its just important to be able to go back to training eventually.

my tipping point is when abs get invisible and are covered in fat.thats where i restart training and all.
deep inside,im very lazy person and i love eating.
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oh, bootcamp cardio is very very intense.actually usefull,i must say.

now if youdve concentrated on just muscle gains without cardio, the damage of your pizza escapades wouldve been much less.

dont worry, i have these escapades too in my life, its just important to be able to go back to training eventually.

my tipping point is when abs get invisible and are covered in fat.thats where i restart training and all.
deep inside,im very lazy person and i love eating.


i'll not be paying £70 for it though now that ive got the menu and i can do it at my gym instead. though it was good to have some to push me along where i would usually give up in the gym.

i couldnt get past the page in the diet where it was sweet potato style chips and 2 chicken breasts, put some thick gravy on and i was more than happy with it lol
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oh yes, everybody has a 6pack.women,men,everyone.

the only problem is it will only become visible at very low bodyfat levels(women 15-17percent, men 12-single digits).
without a single crunch done, everyone has 6pack.

you observed right, you only have subcutane fat, under the skin, above the muscle.thats no big deal.thats the fat the body will burn last in male bodys.

the beer bellies are victims of metabolic symptom.very very bad.that fat behind the stomach.not between stomach and skin, but behind muscle structure.very bad, very deadly eventually.
thats the fat the body will burn first, under skin deposits are used last.

the stomach is being pushed out by fat.

oh and it hasnt really anything to do with drinking beer.the cause is rampant, no holds barred overeating.

chew slowly, that will avoid the brain sending the"not hungry anymore" signal too late.

i have seen pigs on a farm when eating and i have seen fat people in buffets eating behaviour.i swear the swine are more civilized.i swear.
Yeah that's what it is, just sort of survival fat really, like the body's insurance policy incase food becomes hard to come by. Although mine does need reducing quite a bit, I'm not looking to get rid of all of it, it may come in handy in a survival situation

There's a guy I see going into my local pub and his belly is huge, he looks about ready to give birth! I sort feel sorry for him a bit, but you don't know what's going on inside him. He might have big problems in his life or like you said he might just be less civilised than a pig If he's drinking 12 pints and eating 6 takaways a day then I have no sympathy for the guy.
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i'll not be paying £70 for it though now that ive got the menu and i can do it at my gym instead. though it was good to have some to push me along where i would usually give up in the gym.

i couldnt get past the page in the diet where it was sweet potato style chips and 2 chicken breasts, put some thick gravy on and i was more than happy with it lol
haha, i know EXACTLY what you mean with the dry chiken thing.

the fastest way to lose fat is to eat nothing but vegetables with dry chiken and fish while working out hard.

its really spartanic lifestyle and youll feel like shit at times.but finally worth the results.after a while putting gravy on that will still make you lose weight.

but yes,i know,its no delicatesses.

ohyes, once you do the menu its best to push yourself to the gym.

im the kind of guy who can push himself to the gym, im happy about that, i know many cannot do that for long.

btw, i can tell you, the breaks from gym and diet are absolutely necesary and good for the body.just not too extended in time.

you have been through it, no matter what, i respect that
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Yeah that's what it is, just sort of survival fat really, like the body's insurance policy incase food becomes hard to come by. Although mine does need reducing quite a bit, I'm not looking to get rid of all of it, it may come in handy in a survival situation

There's a guy I see going into my local pub and his belly is huge, he looks about ready to give birth! I sort feel sorry for him a bit, but you don't know what's going on inside him. He might have big problems in his life or like you said he might just be less civilised than a pig If he's drinking 12 pints and eating 6 takaways a day then I have no sympathy for the guy.
dont worry as long you dont grow fat frominside.
only when you grow fat from inside,its an alarm sign of your pancreas going to shit and you going to meet a diabetes specialist, followed by lifelong supply of syringues for daily shots.

im never saying ppl shouldnt carry bodyfat, especially non training people and women.
i only say something if its too much.
slight under skin fat is much preferable to anorexic walking skeleton

mind you, if i overeat and i really mean overeat, my belly looks proper pregnant too, eventhough its very lean.just ask my gf, it can look totally ridiculous.
i have found out, for me,1 banana a day avoids that phenomenon for me.no idea why.

yes,yes, big problems in life, ive heard that before.lol.but what problems are solved by overeating.

last holiday with my darling, at hotel buffet, there was ppl who had enough fat to survive for years without food(im serious), they kinda pushed her away from that machine spitting out toastbread pieces, as if the next toast piece is the last piece of food available for next years.
i observed swine when they await food.they squeek and all, but they get organized and in formation when food is coming.

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I don't currently have the discipline for the gym and a strict diet. I know I need to reduce my stomach fat but the problem is I'm a bit lazy and like my chocolate biscuits too much.

The only exercise I do is about 30 press-ups every 3 or 4 days, and a bit of walking. I need to get some discipline or I'm just going to get flabbier and more unfit.

I'm getting a pair of tits for god's sake!
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dont worry as long you dont grow fat frominside.
only when you grow fat from inside,its an alarm sign of your pancreas going to shit and you going to meet a diabetes specialist, followed by lifelong supply of syringues for daily shots.

im never saying ppl shouldnt carry bodyfat, especially non training people and women.
i only say something if its too much.
slight under skin fat is much preferable to anorexic walking skeleton

mind you, if i overeat and i really mean overeat, my belly looks proper pregnant too, eventhough its very lean.just ask my gf, it can look totally ridiculous.
i have found out, for me,1 banana a day avoids that phenomenon for me.no idea why.

yes,yes, big problems in life, ive heard that before.lol.but what problems are solved by overeating.

last holiday with my darling, at hotel buffet, there was ppl who had enough fat to survive for years without food(im serious), they kinda pushed her away from that machine spitting out toastbread pieces, as if the next toast piece is the last piece of food available for next years.
i observed swine when they await food.they squeek and all, but they get organized and in formation when food is coming
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One of my body problems is fat distribution. I have a flabby stomach and lower back but my upper back is pretty detailed when I tense. My hands and wrists are skin and bone but I've got a bit of a podgy face and a double chin

Once I start to exercise, I'm sure my body will put the fat in the right places.

This is absolute pure greed, it's unbelieveable

Some people just eat far too much but when they combine it with the wrong food, like massive bottles of cola and huge pizzas then that's just asking for trouble and it's no wonder they're in such bad shape.
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One of my body problems is fat distribution. I have a flabby stomach and lower back but my upper back is pretty detailed when I tense. My hands and wrists are skin and bone but I've got a bit of a podgy face and a double chin

Once I start to exercise, I'm sure my body will put the fat in the right places.

This is absolute pure greed, it's unbelieveable

Some people just eat far too much but when they combine it with the wrong food, like massive bottles of cola and huge pizzas then that's just asking for trouble and it's no wonder they're in such bad shape.
oh, fat distribution is geneticaly given.and local fatburning isnt possible.

like the myth of doing crunches will make sixpack visible.lol.

i swear, i never,ever train my abs.never.

body will burn fat everyhwere evenly.

it goes like this:
first goes that fat within body, behind stomach.
then, underskin fat goes:
first foreamrs and neck, arms, upper back,chest.
then abs and legs, lower back will get lean last.

thats how it happens in male bodys.fat gain goes exactly the opposing way.

lol, the tits, haha, i have got slight tit at right chest nipple, but thats from,uh, meds

dont oppress yourself too much, strict diet while training is something thats developped slowly over time.

if you avoid the gym, but still eat kinda clean, youll stay same, not get fatter.

if you go to gym and dont eat super clean, you will,in long term, still profit from it, bc body will build lean mass(muscle), and that muscle will raise metabolism permanently, means you get away with eating quite more food and still able to lose weight.

ofc, gym and diet at same time will give very best results, but it requires sacrifice.

best thing is to hit the gym 3 times weekly for 1hr, workout really hard(no chitchat), try to think youre the universal soldier orso,lol.and then you just eat what you want.sweets and cake in moderation, but no sugary juices and drink.i guarantee the body will improve greatly.
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oh, fat distribution is geneticaly given.and local fatburning isnt possible.

like the myth of doing crunches will make sixpack visible.lol.

i swear, i never,ever train my abs.never.

body will burn fat everyhwere evenly.

it goes like this:
first goes that fat within body, behind stomach.
then, underskin fat goes:
first foreamrs and neck, arms, upper back,chest.
then abs and legs, lower back will get lean last.

thats how it happens in male bodys.fat gain goes exactly the opposing way.

lol, the tits, haha, i have got slight tit at right chest nipple, but thats from,uh, meds

dont oppress yourself too much, strict diet while training is something thats developped slowly over time.

if you avoid the gym, but still eat kinda clean, youll stay same, not get fatter.

if you go to gym and dont eat super clean, you will,in long term, still profit from it, bc body will build lean mass(muscle), and that muscle will raise metabolism permanently, means you get away with eating quite more food and still able to lose weight.

ofc, gym and diet at same time will give very best results, but it requires sacrifice.

best thing is to hit the gym 3 times weekly for 1hr, workout really hard(no chitchat), try to think youre the universal soldier orso,lol.and then you just eat what you want.sweets and cake in moderation, but no sugary juices and drink.i guarantee the body will improve greatly.
Thanks for the advice I haven't been to the gym for years, I find them a bit restrictive in a way because there's big guys in there hogging the weights and machines so it can be a bit of a waiting game trying to get on the exercise you want.

I've recently discovered the joys of squats without weights at the moment. It's supposed to increase your overall gains big time, and I enjoy doing them.

For now I'll increase my home exercise and go walking alot more to get my basic fitness levels up. I might consider the gym in the future. Plus you have to pay for membership, screw that

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He does eat a lot of vegetables, but I get the feeling that he really eats A LOT of meat. He prepares it in different ways, but it is mostly cooked. In my country it is really hard to get organic meat, so he mostly gets it in stores.
He's probably just eating too much, period.

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He's probably just eating too much, period.

http://www.bodybuilding.com
lol.

this was quick and good


my guess is hes just a fat guy "who likes to eat".

i hope his gym regime doesnt look like this:

cheeseburger curls

beer shrugs

hamburger pressing

lol.

but ill spare my verdict until the bodyfat level is announced.

i thought it might be from hormon abuse, but hormons do not make you fat.only if one is stupid, he will be fat on hormones
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