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Old 22-08-2016, 04:52 AM   #21
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Please explain.
Ego. "the self; that which feels, acts, or thinks," from Latin ego “I”

“I” is pure unadorned awareness. I exist. To think and feel I require mind and body and an environment with which to think and feel in.

These are the prism. The illusion, the matrix, where I is required to interact with other within a hierarchical social structure. We’ve just given the ego a bunch of problems to deal with, and if that weren’t enough, it has become split into conscious and unconscious mind, which is a necessary mechanism to give the illusion of other.

Give the conscious mind and the unconscious mind different attributes and set them in a game of oppositions. Yay! Super fucked up. Lol

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Old 22-08-2016, 07:33 AM   #22
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Ego. "the self; that which feels, acts, or thinks," from Latin ego “I”


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I see it differently here, the ego is a mental image a reference point made of thought, with no substance or independent nature. It is unable to do any of these things you suggest, can the thought 'I see' see? Can the thought 'I hear' hear? Can the thought 'I do' do anything? It can't do anything if you investigate, yet it likes to take credit for the life force that is the true source of sentience, the real 'I' that unadorned awareness that you mentioned, that is the true seer, taster, feeler, doer, not the false reference point that we call ego. If that life force wasn't flowing through your body what good would the ego be then? If you place an iron in the fire the iron will become red hot and take on all the qualities of the fire, believe it is the fire, but remove the iron from the fire and it quickly loses that quality. Ego is the same, it tells you that it's the doer, feeler, thinker but it's not it's just assumed those qualities that belong to that intelligent life force that is our true nature.
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Old 22-08-2016, 08:35 AM   #23
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i see the ego as kind of like a machine.

it makes sure we always do the same things, and we never stray from our path or try new experiences in life. this is ok, if its working out for you

http://www.buddhisma2z.com/content.php?id=142

awareness/mindfulness. stopping for a while. seems to increase more free will/choice into life
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Old 22-08-2016, 08:43 AM   #24
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i see the ego as kind of like a machine.

it makes sure we always do the same things, and we never stray from our path or try new experiences in life. this is ok, if its working out for you

http://www.buddhisma2z.com/content.php?id=142

awareness/mindfulness. stopping for a while. seems to increase more free will/choice into life
http://www.buddhisma2z.com/content.php?id=18
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Old 22-08-2016, 08:51 AM   #25
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go for it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2wqzioX6NY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkngUolGc_E
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Old 22-08-2016, 08:56 AM   #26
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What is your comment on the Buddha's teaching of no self, can you find a self?
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Old 22-08-2016, 08:57 AM   #27
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Truly you must want this more than ANYTHING else.

http://www.inannareturns.com/article...cles/alone.htm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLeMX3WFLe4
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Old 22-08-2016, 09:00 AM   #28
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What is your comment on the Buddha's teaching of no self, can you find a self?
i don't know, and i don't think anyone else really does either. those who have found enlightenment, or at least who have left this matrix. maybe they realise it's best not to come back
souls will keep coming here/egos will still be created, and the world/matrix will carry on forever and you can't save everyone

all of us still here, are in some way, addicted to the illusion, whether we admit it or not.

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Old 22-08-2016, 09:01 AM   #29
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Sorry, too obscure..
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Old 22-08-2016, 09:03 AM   #30
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the best advice i can offer is

fast from food and substances for at least 20 days, and then attempt a solitary retreat somewhere, far away from anyone else, especially organic portals

places like this exist. buddhist centres offer private retreats.

or you can go to a log cabin, or a cottage somewhere

i think this would be the best way to find the truth of anattâ

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Old 22-08-2016, 09:04 AM   #31
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i don't know, and i don't think anyone else really does either. those who have found enlightenment, or at least who have left this matrix. maybe they realise it's best not to come back
souls will keep coming here/egos will still be created, and the world/matrix will carry on forever and you can't save everyone

all of us still here, are in some way, addicted to the illusion, whether we admit it or not.
Enlightenment is not an object to be found, it is already and ever your natural state, yet seemingly obscured by this wrong idea that I am the body.
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Old 22-08-2016, 09:18 AM   #32
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Enlightenment is not an object to be found, it is already and ever your natural state, yet seemingly obscured by this wrong idea that I am the body.
what about reptilians?
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Old 22-08-2016, 09:35 AM   #33
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what about reptilians?
Yes, even the reptillians..
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Old 22-08-2016, 10:33 AM   #34
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This is how i think we move towards the higher states of consciousness...


Cut your attachments, and you will be liberated, this is the old way.

The truth is that it is impractical to cut our attachments, after all, isn't it our attachment to life that makes us fight for our rights and the rights of others?

Isn't it our attachment to our privacy that means we do not want the NSA tracking our each and every movement?

In Nichiren Buddhism, the only true form of Buddhism (as it follows the Lotus Sutra, acclaimed by Shakyamuni Buddha to be the foremost of his teachings) it is taught to transcend our attachments, that 'earthly desires ARE enlightenment'.

This articles puts it brilliantly:

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Where other teachings had regarded
enlightenment, or the final liberation
of Buddhahood, as a goal to be
attained at some future point in time,
in the teachings of the Lotus Sutra
each person is inherently and
originally a Buddha. Through
Buddhist practice we develop our
enlightened qualities and exercise
them in the world here and now for
the sake of others and for the
purpose of positively transforming
society. The true nature of our lives
at this moment is one of expansive
freedom and possibility
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The challenge is not to rid oneself of
attachments but, in the words of
Nichiren, to become enlightened
concerning them. The teachings of
Nichiren thus stress the
transformation, rather than the
elimination, of desire. Desires and
attachments fuel the quest for
enlightenment. As he wrote: “Now
Nichiren and others who chant Nam-
myoho-renge-kyo . . . burn the
firewood of earthly desires and
behold the fire of enlightened
wisdom...”

In their proper perspective—when we
can see them clearly and master
them rather than being mastered by
them—desires and attachments
enable us to lead interesting and
significant lives. As SGI President
Daisaku Ikeda says, “Our Buddhist
practice enables us to discern their
true nature and utilize them as the
driving force to become happy.”

It is our small ego, our “lesser self,”
that makes us slaves to our desires
and causes us to suffer. Buddhist
practice enables us to break out of
the shell of our lesser self and
awaken to the “greater self” of our
inherent Buddha nature.
http://www.sgi.org/about-us/buddhism...iberation.html
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Old 22-08-2016, 01:08 PM   #35
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they practise Buddhism?
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Old 22-08-2016, 02:46 PM   #36
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I see it differently here, the ego is a mental image a reference point made of thought, with no substance or independent nature. It is unable to do any of these things you suggest, can the thought 'I see' see? Can the thought 'I hear' hear? Can the thought 'I do' do anything? It can't do anything if you investigate, yet it likes to take credit for the life force that is the true source of sentience, the real 'I' that unadorned awareness that you mentioned, that is the true seer, taster, feeler, doer, not the false reference point that we call ego. If that life force wasn't flowing through your body what good would the ego be then? If you place an iron in the fire the iron will become red hot and take on all the qualities of the fire, believe it is the fire, but remove the iron from the fire and it quickly loses that quality. Ego is the same, it tells you that it's the doer, feeler, thinker but it's not it's just assumed those qualities that belong to that intelligent life force that is our true nature.
Yes & no. Words. Without them where would thought be?

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Can the thought "I see" see?
Yes. Would you have any idea what an aeroplane was without thought and language to describe it? What would you actually see? Just an abstract and meaningless shape.

But I like the rest of your reply.

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Old 22-08-2016, 02:47 PM   #37
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Mindfulness is not really David Icke's go is it? This is an important thread but it does not surprise me that it gets a less than overwhelming reception in this community.
Mindfulness is said to be pretty good though - for those it works on.
It was certainly very popular for a while and all over the 'Health' sections of newspapers - maybe not so much nowadays though.
A former colleague of mine takes contracts teaching Mindfulness to NHS professionals and she's always busy.
Not sure if David Icke is for or against Mindfulness.
Anyone know?

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Old 22-08-2016, 05:33 PM   #38
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Mindfulness is said to be pretty good though - for those it works on.
It was certainly very popular for a while and all over the 'Health' sections of newspapers - maybe not so much nowadays though.
A former colleague of mine takes contracts teaching Mindfulness to NHS professionals and she's always busy.
Not sure if David Icke is for or against Mindfulness.
Anyone know?
you have 30000 posts and you dont know that??

what do you talk about on this forum
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Old 22-08-2016, 05:36 PM   #39
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stop being such sheep, and make your own minds up. it doesn't matter whether they do or not.

find out what works for you
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Old 22-08-2016, 05:46 PM   #40
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meditation will never work unless you enjoy it anyway. it has to be something you look forward to doing. an enjoyable past time. which it is once you'v done it enough.

not something you have to do to get chi, or combat negativity. theres your catch 22
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